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My point to Chem is that the media is going to act exactly the same way they did with Trump, even if the next Republican isn't Trump... so what exactly are we solving with the tone of the country if we purposefully avoid Trump?

He just doesn't seem to get it... or maybe just refuses to admit that he does get it. He just wants to hold onto this Utopian Dream that doesn't exist anymore, and he blames that on Trump - when it wasn't ever Trump to begin with.

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That's kind of my point! He says he voted for trump and agrees with this policies, but bags everything about him. Yet, he okay with the current guy, because he presidential, even though he's one of the worst presidents ever, and doesn't agree with his policy.

I just don't understand that mindset in people. This whole presidential thing is so out of touch with today's reality.

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Yeah...i don't get it either....since you brought up tolerating things for the team concept, I'd love to see Coach Doeren walk into his locker room and repeat Trumps C'ville comments --- the ones you shared -- with the whole team. I mean, slice of America, right?

Then, when finished, tell the team they were "great comments". And see the reaction. I'm sure everyone would be understanding and would get his back in the locker room. Those who decided they could no longer support him...they are just players who were out of touch, right?

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So according to you, everybody in Charlottesville that day was a neo nazi?

Steve Videtich said:

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Packchem91 said:

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Steve Videtich said:

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TheStorm said:

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My point to Chem is that the media is going to act exactly the same way they did with Trump, even if the next Republican isn't Trump... so what exactly are we solving with the tone of the country if we purposefully avoid Trump?

He just doesn't seem to get it... or maybe just refuses to admit that he does get it. He just wants to hold onto this Utopian Dream that doesn't exist anymore, and he blames that on Trump - when it wasn't ever Trump to begin with.

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That's kind of my point! He says he voted for trump and agrees with this policies, but bags everything about him. Yet, he okay with the current guy, because he presidential, even though he's one of the worst presidents ever, and doesn't agree with his policy.

I just don't understand that mindset in people. This whole presidential thing is so out of touch with today's reality.

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Yeah...i don't get it either....since you brought up tolerating things for the team concept, I'd love to see Coach Doeren walk into his locker room and repeat Trumps C'ville comments --- the ones you shared -- with the whole team. I mean, slice of America, right?

Then, when finished, tell the team they were "great comments". And see the reaction. I'm sure everyone would be understanding and would get his back in the locker room. Those who decided they could no longer support him...they are just players who were out of touch, right?

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So according to you, everybody in Charlottesville that day was a neo nazi?

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Are you sure you don't work in the media? Cause you make some assertions that just aren't stated.

I'm not sure anyone has ever said everyone in Cville was that. I explained my view last night -- you clearly must not have read it. To me -- when someone has been killed in a racially sensitive moment, is not hte right time to get into a p'ing contest with a reporter about good people and bad people.

But I get it, to you and others, its all about not getting pushed around by the media, so reads like you agree with his approach, instead of what a POTUS should do -- which is try to lead.

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Can we stop playing both sides of the fence about Trump and talk about the **** show that is Biden? You guys cried about Trump all during his presidency. This one is about the senile old man that took his place. Maybe we should start another thread entitled "TTTRRRRUUUUMMMMPPPP" where everyone can talk about how they voted for him but he was so terrible.

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Mehhh, we all agree Biden's presidency has sucked....so what is there to debate about him?
But don't let me interrupt your anger.

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Steve Videtich said:

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Packchem91 said:

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Steve Videtich said:

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TheStorm said:

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My point to Chem is that the media is going to act exactly the same way they did with Trump, even if the next Republican isn't Trump... so what exactly are we solving with the tone of the country if we purposefully avoid Trump?

He just doesn't seem to get it... or maybe just refuses to admit that he does get it. He just wants to hold onto this Utopian Dream that doesn't exist anymore, and he blames that on Trump - when it wasn't ever Trump to begin with.

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That's kind of my point! He says he voted for trump and agrees with this policies, but bags everything about him. Yet, he okay with the current guy, because he presidential, even though he's one of the worst presidents ever, and doesn't agree with his policy.

I just don't understand that mindset in people. This whole presidential thing is so out of touch with today's reality.

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Yeah...i don't get it either....since you brought up tolerating things for the team concept, I'd love to see Coach Doeren walk into his locker room and repeat Trumps C'ville comments --- the ones you shared -- with the whole team. I mean, slice of America, right?

Then, when finished, tell the team they were "great comments". And see the reaction. I'm sure everyone would be understanding and would get his back in the locker room. Those who decided they could no longer support him...they are just players who were out of touch, right?

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So according to you, everybody in Charlottesville that day was a neo nazi?

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Are you sure you don't work in the media? Cause you make some assertions that just aren't stated.

I'm not sure anyone has ever said everyone in Cville was that. I explained my view last night -- you clearly must not have read it. To me -- when someone has been killed in a racially sensitive moment, is not hte right time to get into a p'ing contest with a reporter about good people and bad people.

But I get it, to you and others, its all about not getting pushed around by the media, so reads like you agree with his approach, instead of what a POTUS should do -- which is try to lead.

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No, I'm inferring logic. You and CNN are saying that he referred to the neo nazis as nice people, and that there is no way he was referring to the others that were simply there to oppose the statue being removed. The nice people comment was only toward neo nazis. So, if there's no way that is possible, there could only be neo nazis present. Correct?

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TheStorm said:

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My point to Chem is that the media is going to act exactly the same way they did with Trump, even if the next Republican isn't Trump... so what exactly are we solving with the tone of the country if we purposefully avoid Trump?

He just doesn't seem to get it... or maybe just refuses to admit that he does get it. He just wants to hold onto this Utopian Dream that doesn't exist anymore, and he blames that on Trump - when it wasn't ever Trump to begin with.

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LOL, oh yeah, poor little Donald Trump. Never did a thing, just showed up and all the bad people started calling him out.

I'll say it again -- and while I don't have evidence, I believe it to my core....if Trump had been able to control his emotions instead of this heroic "telling everyone where to stick it", he'd still be POTUS. I mean, the election was pretty darned close despite the way he acted, despite Covid, and despite the huge coordinated effort to get out votes to beat him....and we all know there were a big chunk of voters who had voted from Trump in 16 who could not tolerate it any longer --- i doubt very few of those were due to his policies.
Words matter.

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I mean, that was a pretty juvenile response Chem... sounds like your hackles are even raised a bit there.

Not sure how I'd feel about having a beer with you after that response .

Don't interrupt his anger.

Steve Videtich said:

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Packchem91 said:

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Steve Videtich said:

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Packchem91 said:

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Steve Videtich said:

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TheStorm said:

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My point to Chem is that the media is going to act exactly the same way they did with Trump, even if the next Republican isn't Trump... so what exactly are we solving with the tone of the country if we purposefully avoid Trump?

He just doesn't seem to get it... or maybe just refuses to admit that he does get it. He just wants to hold onto this Utopian Dream that doesn't exist anymore, and he blames that on Trump - when it wasn't ever Trump to begin with.

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That's kind of my point! He says he voted for trump and agrees with this policies, but bags everything about him. Yet, he okay with the current guy, because he presidential, even though he's one of the worst presidents ever, and doesn't agree with his policy.

I just don't understand that mindset in people. This whole presidential thing is so out of touch with today's reality.

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Yeah...i don't get it either....since you brought up tolerating things for the team concept, I'd love to see Coach Doeren walk into his locker room and repeat Trumps C'ville comments --- the ones you shared -- with the whole team. I mean, slice of America, right?

Then, when finished, tell the team they were "great comments". And see the reaction. I'm sure everyone would be understanding and would get his back in the locker room. Those who decided they could no longer support him...they are just players who were out of touch, right?

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So according to you, everybody in Charlottesville that day was a neo nazi?

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Are you sure you don't work in the media? Cause you make some assertions that just aren't stated.

I'm not sure anyone has ever said everyone in Cville was that. I explained my view last night -- you clearly must not have read it. To me -- when someone has been killed in a racially sensitive moment, is not hte right time to get into a p'ing contest with a reporter about good people and bad people.

But I get it, to you and others, its all about not getting pushed around by the media, so reads like you agree with his approach, instead of what a POTUS should do -- which is try to lead.

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No, I'm inferring logic. You and CNN are saying that he referred to the neo nazis as nice people, and that there is no way he was referring to the others that were simply there to oppose the statue being removed. The nice people comment was only toward neo nazis. So, if there's no way that is possible, there could only be neo nazis present. Correct?

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No.....you are completley missing what I thought was a very easy point. By the time he got into nice guys / bad guys debate, he'd screwed up. There was no reason to try to differentiate when a man had just been killed. Leave that for another day when things are calmer.

The message should have been simple --- there was clearly a contingent of hate groups here -- and we are not going to tolerate that. I will empower my AG to go after those individuals who comprise those groups and the people who fund them.

**At that point, probably shouldn't have specified names of groups, but as a followup, broadcast the Neo Nazis, the Antifa, and several others, who I think the average American can agree are bad people.

Packchem91 said:

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Steve Videtich said:

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Packchem91 said:

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Steve Videtich said:

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Packchem91 said:

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Steve Videtich said:

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TheStorm said:

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My point to Chem is that the media is going to act exactly the same way they did with Trump, even if the next Republican isn't Trump... so what exactly are we solving with the tone of the country if we purposefully avoid Trump?

He just doesn't seem to get it... or maybe just refuses to admit that he does get it. He just wants to hold onto this Utopian Dream that doesn't exist anymore, and he blames that on Trump - when it wasn't ever Trump to begin with.

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That's kind of my point! He says he voted for trump and agrees with this policies, but bags everything about him. Yet, he okay with the current guy, because he presidential, even though he's one of the worst presidents ever, and doesn't agree with his policy.

I just don't understand that mindset in people. This whole presidential thing is so out of touch with today's reality.

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Yeah...i don't get it either....since you brought up tolerating things for the team concept, I'd love to see Coach Doeren walk into his locker room and repeat Trumps C'ville comments --- the ones you shared -- with the whole team. I mean, slice of America, right?

Then, when finished, tell the team they were "great comments". And see the reaction. I'm sure everyone would be understanding and would get his back in the locker room. Those who decided they could no longer support him...they are just players who were out of touch, right?

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So according to you, everybody in Charlottesville that day was a neo nazi?

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Are you sure you don't work in the media? Cause you make some assertions that just aren't stated.

I'm not sure anyone has ever said everyone in Cville was that. I explained my view last night -- you clearly must not have read it. To me -- when someone has been killed in a racially sensitive moment, is not hte right time to get into a p'ing contest with a reporter about good people and bad people.

But I get it, to you and others, its all about not getting pushed around by the media, so reads like you agree with his approach, instead of what a POTUS should do -- which is try to lead.

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No, I'm inferring logic. You and CNN are saying that he referred to the neo nazis as nice people, and that there is no way he was referring to the others that were simply there to oppose the statue being removed. The nice people comment was only toward neo nazis. So, if there's no way that is possible, there could only be neo nazis present. Correct?

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No.....you are completley missing what I thought was a very easy point. By the time he got into nice guys / bad guys, he'd screwed up.

The message should have been simple --- there was clearly a contingent of hate groups here -- and we are not going to tolerate that. I will empower my AG to go after those individuals who comprise those groups and the people who fund them.

**At that point, probably shouldn't have specified names of groups, but as a followup, broadcast the Neo Nazis, the Antifa, and several others, who I think the average American can agree are bad people.

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No, I'm going of if what you and all other liberal media have said. He called neo nazis nice people. That's what you're inferring! No possibility of any other possibility in that statement.

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TheStorm said:

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Packchem91 said:

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TheStorm said:

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My point to Chem is that the media is going to act exactly the same way they did with Trump, even if the next Republican isn't Trump... so what exactly are we solving with the tone of the country if we purposefully avoid Trump?

He just doesn't seem to get it... or maybe just refuses to admit that he does get it. He just wants to hold onto this Utopian Dream that doesn't exist anymore, and he blames that on Trump - when it wasn't ever Trump to begin with.

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LOL, oh yeah, poor little Donald Trump. Never did a thing, just showed up and all the bad people started calling him out.

I'll say it again -- and while I don't have evidence, I believe it to my core....if Trump had been able to control his emotions instead of this heroic "telling everyone where to stick it", he'd still be POTUS. I mean, the election was pretty darned close despite the way he acted, despite Covid, and despite the huge coordinated effort to get out votes to beat him....and we all know there were a big chunk of voters who had voted from Trump in 16 who could not tolerate it any longer --- i doubt very few of those were due to his policies.
Words matter.

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I mean, that was a pretty juvenile response Chem... sounds like your hackles are even raised a bit there.

Not sure how I'd feel about having a beer with you after that response .

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I don't even drink -- and as an NC State fan for these past 35 years, can you imagine how tough that is?

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Actually, I can. Just diagnosed with Celiac disease, I'm banned from beer for life. Well, maybe Budweiser since it's made with rice, but I've never liked Bud that much, and I loved wheat beers. Even worse, all of you will be deprived of my beer-assisted analyses and philosophical insights.

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Packchem91 said:

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TheStorm said:

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Packchem91 said:

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TheStorm said:

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My point to Chem is that the media is going to act exactly the same way they did with Trump, even if the next Republican isn't Trump... so what exactly are we solving with the tone of the country if we purposefully avoid Trump?

He just doesn't seem to get it... or maybe just refuses to admit that he does get it. He just wants to hold onto this Utopian Dream that doesn't exist anymore, and he blames that on Trump - when it wasn't ever Trump to begin with.

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LOL, oh yeah, poor little Donald Trump. Never did a thing, just showed up and all the bad people started calling him out.

I'll say it again -- and while I don't have evidence, I believe it to my core....if Trump had been able to control his emotions instead of this heroic "telling everyone where to stick it", he'd still be POTUS. I mean, the election was pretty darned close despite the way he acted, despite Covid, and despite the huge coordinated effort to get out votes to beat him....and we all know there were a big chunk of voters who had voted from Trump in 16 who could not tolerate it any longer --- i doubt very few of those were due to his policies.
Words matter.

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I mean, that was a pretty juvenile response Chem... sounds like your hackles are even raised a bit there.

Not sure how I'd feel about having a beer with you after that response .

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I don't even drink -- and as an NC State fan for these past 35 years, can you imagine how tough that is?

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Actually, I can. Just diagnosed with Celiac disease, I'm banned from beer for life. Well, maybe Budweiser since it's made with rice, but I've never liked Bud that much, and I loved wheat beers. Even worse, all of you will be deprived of my beer-assisted analyses and philosophical insights.

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I always thought Natural Light was the AB product based on rice? Maybe I'm just not tuned into that stuff like I used to be though.

Steve Videtich said:

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Packchem91 said:

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Steve Videtich said:

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Packchem91 said:

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Steve Videtich said:

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Packchem91 said:

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Steve Videtich said:

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TheStorm said:

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My point to Chem is that the media is going to act exactly the same way they did with Trump, even if the next Republican isn't Trump... so what exactly are we solving with the tone of the country if we purposefully avoid Trump?

He just doesn't seem to get it... or maybe just refuses to admit that he does get it. He just wants to hold onto this Utopian Dream that doesn't exist anymore, and he blames that on Trump - when it wasn't ever Trump to begin with.

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That's kind of my point! He says he voted for trump and agrees with this policies, but bags everything about him. Yet, he okay with the current guy, because he presidential, even though he's one of the worst presidents ever, and doesn't agree with his policy.

I just don't understand that mindset in people. This whole presidential thing is so out of touch with today's reality.

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Yeah...i don't get it either....since you brought up tolerating things for the team concept, I'd love to see Coach Doeren walk into his locker room and repeat Trumps C'ville comments --- the ones you shared -- with the whole team. I mean, slice of America, right?

Then, when finished, tell the team they were "great comments". And see the reaction. I'm sure everyone would be understanding and would get his back in the locker room. Those who decided they could no longer support him...they are just players who were out of touch, right?

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So according to you, everybody in Charlottesville that day was a neo nazi?

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Are you sure you don't work in the media? Cause you make some assertions that just aren't stated.

I'm not sure anyone has ever said everyone in Cville was that. I explained my view last night -- you clearly must not have read it. To me -- when someone has been killed in a racially sensitive moment, is not hte right time to get into a p'ing contest with a reporter about good people and bad people.

But I get it, to you and others, its all about not getting pushed around by the media, so reads like you agree with his approach, instead of what a POTUS should do -- which is try to lead.

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No, I'm inferring logic. You and CNN are saying that he referred to the neo nazis as nice people, and that there is no way he was referring to the others that were simply there to oppose the statue being removed. The nice people comment was only toward neo nazis. So, if there's no way that is possible, there could only be neo nazis present. Correct?

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No.....you are completley missing what I thought was a very easy point. By the time he got into nice guys / bad guys, he'd screwed up.

The message should have been simple --- there was clearly a contingent of hate groups here -- and we are not going to tolerate that. I will empower my AG to go after those individuals who comprise those groups and the people who fund them.

**At that point, probably shouldn't have specified names of groups, but as a followup, broadcast the Neo Nazis, the Antifa, and several others, who I think the average American can agree are bad people.

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No, I'm going of if what you and all other liberal media have said. He called neo nazis nice people. That's what you're inferring! No possibility of any other possibility in that statement.

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LOL, alright, you clearly are not looking to have a good faith discussion. Its so funny that you are copying the exact approach you accuse the media of --- twisting thing and just making them up. #hypocritical

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Packchem91 said:

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Steve Videtich said:

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Packchem91 said:

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Steve Videtich said:

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Packchem91 said:

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My point to Chem is that the media is going to act exactly the same way they did with Trump, even if the next Republican isn't Trump... so what exactly are we solving with the tone of the country if we purposefully avoid Trump?

He just doesn't seem to get it... or maybe just refuses to admit that he does get it. He just wants to hold onto this Utopian Dream that doesn't exist anymore, and he blames that on Trump - when it wasn't ever Trump to begin with.

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That's kind of my point! He says he voted for trump and agrees with this policies, but bags everything about him. Yet, he okay with the current guy, because he presidential, even though he's one of the worst presidents ever, and doesn't agree with his policy.

I just don't understand that mindset in people. This whole presidential thing is so out of touch with today's reality.

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Yeah...i don't get it either....since you brought up tolerating things for the team concept, I'd love to see Coach Doeren walk into his locker room and repeat Trumps C'ville comments --- the ones you shared -- with the whole team. I mean, slice of America, right?

Then, when finished, tell the team they were "great comments". And see the reaction. I'm sure everyone would be understanding and would get his back in the locker room. Those who decided they could no longer support him...they are just players who were out of touch, right?

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So according to you, everybody in Charlottesville that day was a neo nazi?

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Are you sure you don't work in the media? Cause you make some assertions that just aren't stated.

I'm not sure anyone has ever said everyone in Cville was that. I explained my view last night -- you clearly must not have read it. To me -- when someone has been killed in a racially sensitive moment, is not hte right time to get into a p'ing contest with a reporter about good people and bad people.

But I get it, to you and others, its all about not getting pushed around by the media, so reads like you agree with his approach, instead of what a POTUS should do -- which is try to lead.

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No, I'm inferring logic. You and CNN are saying that he referred to the neo nazis as nice people, and that there is no way he was referring to the others that were simply there to oppose the statue being removed. The nice people comment was only toward neo nazis. So, if there's no way that is possible, there could only be neo nazis present. Correct?

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No.....you are completley missing what I thought was a very easy point. By the time he got into nice guys / bad guys, he'd screwed up.

The message should have been simple --- there was clearly a contingent of hate groups here -- and we are not going to tolerate that. I will empower my AG to go after those individuals who comprise those groups and the people who fund them.

**At that point, probably shouldn't have specified names of groups, but as a followup, broadcast the Neo Nazis, the Antifa, and several others, who I think the average American can agree are bad people.

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No, I'm going of if what you and all other liberal media have said. He called neo nazis nice people. That's what you're inferring! No possibility of any other possibility in that statement.

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LOL, alright, you clearly are not looking to have a good faith discussion. Its so funny that you are copying the exact approach you accuse the media of --- twisting thing and just making them up. #hypocritical

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Ohhhhhhh, you mean the same approach that you said Trump should be more professional with? The same approach that you yourself have gotten frustrated with and even lost your cool a bit? That same approach?

Now imagine that treatment everyday for 4+ years from multiple sources of media. How would you fare with the treatment? Hell, Biden hasn't even gotten 1%of the same treatment and he loses his cool when asked s simple question. But, I haven't heard you rail on his behavior. No, you'd like to have a beer with him.

Hold all politicians to the same standards you do Trump and maybe folks won't come at you so much in this board. Expect all politicians and media to not divide this country and not call for violence in the street. Expect them all to not mix words and make **** up about others. And expect them all to put our country first and not sell it out from under our feet!

#HYPOCRITE

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I have not lost my cool at all. I've given you reasoned discussion. You make crap up. Makes me realize why our country is so screwed up, when we have even educated folks who just make things up to suit their own arguments. But it also helps me understand why you are in such lock-step with Trump.

"hold all politicians to same standards"...lol. Man, i've talked about how bad of a POTUS Biden is a number of times. He is. There is no debate. I just don't think he is as bad a person as Trump is -- which, again YOU asked me to comment on. And its ok that we don't agree on taht....but it has certainly tweaked you for some reason.

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My point to Chem is that the media is going to act exactly the same way they did with Trump, even if the next Republican isn't Trump... so what exactly are we solving with the tone of the country if we purposefully avoid Trump?

He just doesn't seem to get it... or maybe just refuses to admit that he does get it. He just wants to hold onto this Utopian Dream that doesn't exist anymore, and he blames that on Trump - when it wasn't ever Trump to begin with.

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That's kind of my point! He says he voted for trump and agrees with this policies, but bags everything about him. Yet, he okay with the current guy, because he presidential, even though he's one of the worst presidents ever, and doesn't agree with his policy.

I just don't understand that mindset in people. This whole presidential thing is so out of touch with today's reality.

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Yeah...i don't get it either....since you brought up tolerating things for the team concept, I'd love to see Coach Doeren walk into his locker room and repeat Trumps C'ville comments --- the ones you shared -- with the whole team. I mean, slice of America, right?

Then, when finished, tell the team they were "great comments". And see the reaction. I'm sure everyone would be understanding and would get his back in the locker room. Those who decided they could no longer support him...they are just players who were out of touch, right?

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So according to you, everybody in Charlottesville that day was a neo nazi?

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Are you sure you don't work in the media? Cause you make some assertions that just aren't stated.

I'm not sure anyone has ever said everyone in Cville was that. I explained my view last night -- you clearly must not have read it. To me -- when someone has been killed in a racially sensitive moment, is not hte right time to get into a p'ing contest with a reporter about good people and bad people.

But I get it, to you and others, its all about not getting pushed around by the media, so reads like you agree with his approach, instead of what a POTUS should do -- which is try to lead.

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No, I'm inferring logic. You and CNN are saying that he referred to the neo nazis as nice people, and that there is no way he was referring to the others that were simply there to oppose the statue being removed. The nice people comment was only toward neo nazis. So, if there's no way that is possible, there could only be neo nazis present. Correct?

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No.....you are completley missing what I thought was a very easy point. By the time he got into nice guys / bad guys, he'd screwed up.

The message should have been simple --- there was clearly a contingent of hate groups here -- and we are not going to tolerate that. I will empower my AG to go after those individuals who comprise those groups and the people who fund them.

**At that point, probably shouldn't have specified names of groups, but as a followup, broadcast the Neo Nazis, the Antifa, and several others, who I think the average American can agree are bad people.

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No, I'm going of if what you and all other liberal media have said. He called neo nazis nice people. That's what you're inferring! No possibility of any other possibility in that statement.

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LOL, alright, you clearly are not looking to have a good faith discussion. Its so funny that you are copying the exact approach you accuse the media of --- twisting thing and just making them up. #hypocritical

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Ohhhhhhh, you mean the same approach that you said Trump should be more professional with? The same approach that you yourself have gotten frustrated with and even lost your cool a bit? That same approach?

Now imagine that treatment everyday for 4+ years from multiple sources of media. How would you fare with the treatment? Hell, Biden hasn't even gotten 1%of the same treatment and he loses his cool when asked s simple question. But, I haven't heard you rail on his behavior. No, you'd like to have a beer with him.

Hold all politicians to the same standards you do Trump and maybe folks won't come at you so much in this board. Expect all politicians and media to not divide this country and not call for violence in the street. Expect them all to not mix words and make **** up about others. And expect them all to put our country first and not sell it out from under our feet!

#HYPOCRITE

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I have not lost my cool at all. I've given you reasoned discussion. You make crap up. Makes me realize why our country is so screwed up, when we have even educated folks who just make things up to suit their own arguments. But it also helps me understand why you are in such lock-step with Trump.

"hold all politicians to same standards"...lol. Man, i've talked about how bad of a POTUS Biden is a number of times. He is. There is no debate. I just don't think he is as bad a person as Trump is -- which, again YOU asked me to comment on. And its ok that we don't agree on taht....but it has certainly tweaked you for some reason.

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Chem, the bolded part is where you are off putting. Yes, we agree that Biden bad; however, saying… "There is no debate" is where you probably are at odds with people. There are people who think he's good, so there is a debate.

I have no problem with anyone saying: I disagree with something/someone and the following are the reasons…

The dogmatic approach you have is why I say: you are at odds with people. I truly don't think people would be so combative if you were not so dogmatic…. That's just my opinion and I'm open to a discussion…

packchem cries about people being "angry" then talks about others making things up and this is why the country is so screwed up. Lol. Dude has no self awareness. What a hypocrite.

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My point to Chem is that the media is going to act exactly the same way they did with Trump, even if the next Republican isn't Trump... so what exactly are we solving with the tone of the country if we purposefully avoid Trump?

He just doesn't seem to get it... or maybe just refuses to admit that he does get it. He just wants to hold onto this Utopian Dream that doesn't exist anymore, and he blames that on Trump - when it wasn't ever Trump to begin with.

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That's kind of my point! He says he voted for trump and agrees with this policies, but bags everything about him. Yet, he okay with the current guy, because he presidential, even though he's one of the worst presidents ever, and doesn't agree with his policy.

I just don't understand that mindset in people. This whole presidential thing is so out of touch with today's reality.

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Yeah...i don't get it either....since you brought up tolerating things for the team concept, I'd love to see Coach Doeren walk into his locker room and repeat Trumps C'ville comments --- the ones you shared -- with the whole team. I mean, slice of America, right?

Then, when finished, tell the team they were "great comments". And see the reaction. I'm sure everyone would be understanding and would get his back in the locker room. Those who decided they could no longer support him...they are just players who were out of touch, right?

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So according to you, everybody in Charlottesville that day was a neo nazi?

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Are you sure you don't work in the media? Cause you make some assertions that just aren't stated.

I'm not sure anyone has ever said everyone in Cville was that. I explained my view last night -- you clearly must not have read it. To me -- when someone has been killed in a racially sensitive moment, is not hte right time to get into a p'ing contest with a reporter about good people and bad people.

But I get it, to you and others, its all about not getting pushed around by the media, so reads like you agree with his approach, instead of what a POTUS should do -- which is try to lead.

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No, I'm inferring logic. You and CNN are saying that he referred to the neo nazis as nice people, and that there is no way he was referring to the others that were simply there to oppose the statue being removed. The nice people comment was only toward neo nazis. So, if there's no way that is possible, there could only be neo nazis present. Correct?

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No.....you are completley missing what I thought was a very easy point. By the time he got into nice guys / bad guys, he'd screwed up.

The message should have been simple --- there was clearly a contingent of hate groups here -- and we are not going to tolerate that. I will empower my AG to go after those individuals who comprise those groups and the people who fund them.

**At that point, probably shouldn't have specified names of groups, but as a followup, broadcast the Neo Nazis, the Antifa, and several others, who I think the average American can agree are bad people.

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No, I'm going of if what you and all other liberal media have said. He called neo nazis nice people. That's what you're inferring! No possibility of any other possibility in that statement.

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LOL, alright, you clearly are not looking to have a good faith discussion. Its so funny that you are copying the exact approach you accuse the media of --- twisting thing and just making them up. #hypocritical

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Ohhhhhhh, you mean the same approach that you said Trump should be more professional with? The same approach that you yourself have gotten frustrated with and even lost your cool a bit? That same approach?

Now imagine that treatment everyday for 4+ years from multiple sources of media. How would you fare with the treatment? Hell, Biden hasn't even gotten 1%of the same treatment and he loses his cool when asked s simple question. But, I haven't heard you rail on his behavior. No, you'd like to have a beer with him.

Hold all politicians to the same standards you do Trump and maybe folks won't come at you so much in this board. Expect all politicians and media to not divide this country and not call for violence in the street. Expect them all to not mix words and make **** up about others. And expect them all to put our country first and not sell it out from under our feet!

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I have not lost my cool at all. I've given you reasoned discussion. You make crap up. Makes me realize why our country is so screwed up, when we have even educated folks who just make things up to suit their own arguments. But it also helps me understand why you are in such lock-step with Trump.

"hold all politicians to same standards"...lol. Man, i've talked about how bad of a POTUS Biden is a number of times. He is. There is no debate. I just don't think he is as bad a person as Trump is -- which, again YOU asked me to comment on. And its ok that we don't agree on taht....but it has certainly tweaked you for some reason.

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Chem, the bolded part is where you are off putting. Yes, we agree that Biden bad; however, saying… "There is no debate" is where you probably are at odds with people. There are people who think he's good, so there is a debate.

I have no problem with anyone saying: I disagree with something/someone and the following are the reasons…

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This has to be the first time you've ever come to Biden's defense.
Sorry, if it helps, I mean "there is no debate from me" about how bad a POTUS he is. You, however, can feel free to carry on about how much you enjoy his presidency.

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packchem cries about people being "angry" then talks about others making things up and this is why the country is so screwed up. Lol. Dude has no self awareness. What a hypocrite.

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OK. How hard would i have to look to find your last positive post?

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lol. So little self awareness.

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Lol. You had to bring MJ into it?

OK, switching gears here.

Ukraine - since we royally ****ed up the Afghanistan withdrawal to the point that Putin knew that Biden wouldn't stand up to him (and now we are, where we are)... now we have to send a **** ton of money over there, that isn't going to change anything either. The decisions that this administration has made from the very first day in office have been nothing short of asinine... and then you have the President of France as the chief spokesperson for the Western World now as well... just let that sink in for a minute...

While I hate to see double-standards get applied to political behavior, peaceful protests and all that good stuff... PackChem may be relieved to know that I was very disappointed at Lauren Boebert's "blurting out", "heckling", whatever you want to call it, during the State of the Union address.

I understand her reasoning for why she did it, but it still doesn't matter to me... you just don't do that during that type of event. Marjorie Taylor Greene as well. I doesn't matter to me what your message is - that is the wrong place for it - period and I would fully support them both being censured for it.

Just because the other side does idiotic things, doesn't mean that you should do it too. Show some damn class and respect for the office itself, if for nothing else. I can do without the "look at me" shirt as well... puts her on par with AOC, as far as I'm concerned and it overshadows where she stands on policy.

In short, clean up your act.

https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/dccc-gas-costs-tweet-worse

Cue up Civ reminding us that these are just normal, cyclical events that Biden has zero control over...

Yeah, she's not much different than AOC in my eyes either. Attention *****. Both worked in the restaurant industry and are cute. I remember the type.

If Biden can keep us from WWIII, I'll consider that a success. I am happy that his administration has been outspoken about not going to war with Russia. I am disappointed that his weakness as a leader allowed the attack to occur in the first place though. Ukraine has been attacked by Russia twice now when Biden has been in the top 2 seats.

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Yeah, she's not much different than AOC in my eyes either. Attention *****. Both worked in the restaurant industry and are cute. I remember the type.

If Biden can keep us from WWIII, I'll consider that a success. I am happy that his administration has been outspoken about not going to war with Russia. I am disappointed that his weakness as a leader allowed the attack to occur in the first place though. Ukraine has been attacked by Russia twice now when Biden has been in the top 2 seats.

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Nobody wants to go to war, but you have to be strong enough that the other guy *thinks* that you'd be willing to go to war. That ship sailed shortly into this administration unfortunately.

It 100% would not be happening if Trump was still in office.

Come on guys…. You can't say those things about Boebert. As much as you may dislike some of her actions, we NEED pretty women in congress. I give her all the exemptions needed!!!