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Since the TDS crowd is but Trump-ing Biden's colossal failure in Afghanistan, I felt this fit here.

Trump barred from Twitter, but Taliban spokesman tweets awayhttps://t.co/1Kt3bhf17S

— Fox News (@FoxNews) August 16, 2021

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Mehhh, two different things. I don't blame Trump on this....can't speak for the others, but my point was I think he's probably thanking his lucky stars right now that he didn't implement his complete withdrawal and end up with a Taliban over-run on his hands.
And I don't think anyone has argued that Biden hasn't screwed this royally...or that, in some degree, Trump probably would have done many of those things better. But keep tilting at windmills.

The second point....again, who's arguing that twitter is right in the way it polices its forum? you bring up one example, there are probably thousands of similar ones where it makes absolutely no sense -- or is even scary. No arguments there.

Biden will be doing no public events tomorrow, per WH. He will stay at Camp David where he will receive a presidential brief in the morning. Closed press.

— Amber Athey (@amber_athey) August 16, 2021

Here is one of many images that will ensure the lefties are out of power in 2022 and 2024.. .enjoy comrades. Unless you totally dissolve the U.S. Constitution, which you are trying to do, it took you 8 months to prove to everyone with half a brain how you lefties care about nothing but power and owning the Conservatives.

Stay hidden and ignore the facts. Nothing you an say is worth its' weight in salt anyway. You bring nothing of substance to any discussion other than..."but, but, but Trump...."

“Saigon on Steroids.” Our story on desperate efforts by Afghans who had helped the US to get out before they meet Taliban retribution - and on the callous cold shoulder they receive from an indifferent America. https://t.co/4dpbTuErQi

— Yaroslav Trofimov (@yarotrof) August 16, 2021

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Biden will be doing no public events tomorrow, per WH. He will stay at Camp David where he will receive a presidential brief in the morning. Closed press.

— Amber Athey (@amber_athey) August 16, 2021

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I just can't imagine the "world is ending" uproar that would occur if Trump were in Mar-a-lago and said he was closed off.

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packgrad said:

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"Keep tilting at windmills"

Lol. Sure thing message board guy. You're a hero!

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And you're the angry message board guy. But hey, go into another restaurant that is not enforcing masking, and come back and rally about how you were a civil disobedient warrior!

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I posted a reply which you ignored. Which is fine. I you can't dispute the facts you and your lefty brigade just ignore them. Notice the absence from this thread by all the SJW's and the anti-Trumpers. Their rectums are in pain from harboring their craniums the last few weeks.

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Packchem91 said:

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packgrad said:

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"Keep tilting at windmills"

Lol. Sure thing message board guy. You're a hero!

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And you're the angry message board guy. But hey, go into another restaurant that is not enforcing masking, and come back and rally about how you were a civil disobedient warrior!

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I posted a reply which you ignored. Which is fine. I you can't dispute the facts you and your lefty brigade just ignore them. Notice the absence from this thread by all the SJW's and the anti-Trumpers. Their rectums are in pain from harboring their craniums the last few weeks.

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LOL....any time you can work in that reference, it is funny.

NOW - Desperate Afghan civilians clung to the landing gear of a US transport plane as it took off from #Kabul airport, at least 3 plunged to their deaths.pic.twitter.com/N5DbWGGjwI

— Disclose.tv 🚨 (@disclosetv) August 16, 2021

Packchem91 said:

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packgrad said:

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"Keep tilting at windmills"

Lol. Sure thing message board guy. You're a hero!

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And you're the angry message board guy. But hey, go into another restaurant that is not enforcing masking, and come back and rally about how you were a civil disobedient warrior!

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Lol. Angry message board guy. Tilting at windmills. Throw in an intellectually dishonest comment for the trifecta.

I'm sorry masks trigger you so much, hero. Keep chasing down posters to argue with. You're doing God's work.

It would be nice if you could keep threads focused on what they're about though. So maybe keep your POS mask fixation on its thread.

BBW12OG said:

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NOW - Desperate Afghan civilians clung to the landing gear of a US transport plane as it took off from #Kabul airport, at least 3 plunged to their deaths.pic.twitter.com/N5DbWGGjwI

— Disclose.tv 🚨 (@disclosetv) August 16, 2021

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damn man...

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caryking said:

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hokiewolf said:

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When all else fails, blame Trump.

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Here's the thing, Trumps policy is a contributing factor in this. The issue at hand is that the Taliban were playing to win at all cost, the US policy never matched that. The best they hoped for was a draw. When that happens, you see the results you see.

Regardless of who was in office, this was the inevitable result of the war in Afghanistan.

Now, the absolute disaster of this retreat is on Biden. How he didn't recognize that this would happen is absolutely perplexing.

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Actually, 20 years of listening to the Generals and war mongers, with a military industrial complex, that have been just plain wrong, is the problem!

Look at the money, lives that have been lost!! I used to be a supporter of all this crap; however, seeing all those military personnel be mangled for life has made me ask questions!

The question is: Why?

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Yep. Are we or the Afghan people better off?

Biden needs to own the seriously botched exit logistics but big picture the only alternative to the Afghan government and army trying to stand on its own was never-ending US occupation.

Regardless of who was in office, this was the inevitable big-picture result of the conclusion of the "war" in Afghanistan. Our recent Middle Eastern foreign policy spanned four presidents so there is a lot of blame to go around. Maybe Trump would've done a better job with the logistics, but he was abundantly clear regarding his intent for a full exit as well.

The simple fact is that none of the policy over the last 20 years got the Afghan government or security forces anywhere close to the point where they could stand on their own. That may be a failure of US policy or nation-building execution; an indication that the country has too many fundamentalists and/or opportunists that are unwilling or incapable of accepting western style rule; or maybe simply an indication we never should've been there in the first place.

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Civ, I agree... Really, we can go back 100 years and say the same thing!!

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caryking said:

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All you anti-Trumpers... you may not have liked his tone, but, please recognize he exuded strength to the world! Here's the thing, many of you and these so-called experts (generals in the military as well as the the talking heads) really don't have a DAMN clue how to deal with international affairs!!

As much as everyone thought he was a buffoon; well, here's to that buffoon showing strength and leading the right way!!!!

The **** show we have now is an absolute embarrassment!!

https://americasvoice.news/video/udhfLThbHeup5zo

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As I argue all the time, two things can both be true. Trump can have caused his own issues thru his buffoonery in certain situations AND he could have run circles around Biden in how he handled international affairs. Biden is pretty clueless. He should have been defeated....even despite Covid wracking the economy at a critical time.

BTW, I'm pretty sure you were an advocate of us pulling out of Afghanistan?

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Yes, I am an advocate of the endless wars; however, watch the damn video to understand how to do things!!! Don't be so... well, whatever you are...

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So what would you have done differently? Summarize the video for me? I'm just not sure how anything less than a US force of strength was going to stop the Taliban from doing this

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Chem, you want to sound educated; however, I ask you to spend 15 minutes watching one video. Your response? Summarize it for me. Just go watch the damn video! If you find it interesting, then watch the others from the same day.

You might actually learn something!!!!

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Are you referring to the video with Peter Navarro, economist, for how we could have avoided a Taliban takeover if ANY president had done what you wanted to do, and pulled out?

XL made excellent suggestions. All I heard Navarro say was "conditions"....like the freaking Taliban was going to actually comply with those?

Look, Biden is a boob. He has royally screwed this up.....and XL points out things that could at least have minimized the impact to US interests there....but that video suggests nothing definitive that would have prevented beheadings, payback, and all the crap the Taliban is doing now, whenever the troops were withdrawn. I can appreciate the argument that it was not our fight to be there to begin with, but pulling out was going to result in disaster for the poor folks who were left behind.

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Chem, this economist knows a hell of a lot more than you and I. You probably only watched the first five minutes. Also, the general context of what he and Bannon are saying is: those people advising him, in the military, just plain lied to the president, probably what they did to Biden, as well...

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I actually watched the whole thing...waiting for this moment you were so caught up in. It's why I asked you to confirm if I was watching the correct interview, lol. They rambled, they both put their weiners on the table to show how important they were, they both attacked people they didn't like. I guess you could say some of those back-room politics were interesting, if slimy.
But if the point of the video was "how this could have been done better", I'm sorry, I didn't come close to seeing that.

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Context Chem!!!! This video was to hopefully get you and others to watch news from a different perspective. Watch the Damn show on a regular basis and you might get a different world view. Right now, your world view is questionable...

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caryking said:

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Packchem91 said:

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caryking said:

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Packchem91 said:

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caryking said:

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Packchem91 said:

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caryking said:

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All you anti-Trumpers... you may not have liked his tone, but, please recognize he exuded strength to the world! Here's the thing, many of you and these so-called experts (generals in the military as well as the the talking heads) really don't have a DAMN clue how to deal with international affairs!!

As much as everyone thought he was a buffoon; well, here's to that buffoon showing strength and leading the right way!!!!

The **** show we have now is an absolute embarrassment!!

https://americasvoice.news/video/udhfLThbHeup5zo

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As I argue all the time, two things can both be true. Trump can have caused his own issues thru his buffoonery in certain situations AND he could have run circles around Biden in how he handled international affairs. Biden is pretty clueless. He should have been defeated....even despite Covid wracking the economy at a critical time.

BTW, I'm pretty sure you were an advocate of us pulling out of Afghanistan?

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Yes, I am an advocate of the endless wars; however, watch the damn video to understand how to do things!!! Don't be so... well, whatever you are...

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So what would you have done differently? Summarize the video for me? I'm just not sure how anything less than a US force of strength was going to stop the Taliban from doing this

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Chem, you want to sound educated; however, I ask you to spend 15 minutes watching one video. Your response? Summarize it for me. Just go watch the damn video! If you find it interesting, then watch the others from the same day.

You might actually learn something!!!!

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Are you referring to the video with Peter Navarro, economist, for how we could have avoided a Taliban takeover if ANY president had done what you wanted to do, and pulled out?

XL made excellent suggestions. All I heard Navarro say was "conditions"....like the freaking Taliban was going to actually comply with those?

Look, Biden is a boob. He has royally screwed this up.....and XL points out things that could at least have minimized the impact to US interests there....but that video suggests nothing definitive that would have prevented beheadings, payback, and all the crap the Taliban is doing now, whenever the troops were withdrawn. I can appreciate the argument that it was not our fight to be there to begin with, but pulling out was going to result in disaster for the poor folks who were left behind.

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Chem, this economist knows a hell of a lot more than you and I. You probably only watched the first five minutes. Also, the general context of what he and Bannon are saying is: those people advising him, in the military, just plain lied to the president, probably what they did to Biden, as well...

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I actually watched the whole thing...waiting for this moment you were so caught up in. It's why I asked you to confirm if I was watching the correct interview, lol. They rambled, they both put their weiners on the table to show how important they were, they both attacked people they didn't like. I guess you could say some of those back-room politics were interesting, if slimy.
But if the point of the video was "how this could have been done better", I'm sorry, I didn't come close to seeing that.

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Context Chem!!!! This video was to hopefully get you and others to watch news from a different perspective. Watch the Damn show on a regular basis and you might get a different world view. Right now, your world view is questionable...

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LOL. I asked you how you would have made this better since you were admittedly an advocate of a withdrawal.....you sent me to this video of angry men excoriating everyone they've ever worked with in the past, and suggesting in 2017 Trump would have gotten us out, but was lied to. And to use "conditions". Conditions...with the freaking Taliban....those guys who have never shown any semblance of good faith negotiation?

So the answer you chastised me for not watching, as the definitive way to have made this better didn't suggest a single workable solution....but now I'm the one with the questionable worldview? Got it.

BTW, is this the same source which has you so convinced that the election was wrong? And that AZ is sure to be overturned? (and presumably, several other states after that???)

Biden to return to White House, address nation after Afghanistan falls to Talibanhttps://t.co/eIH20JH85G

— Fox News (@FoxNews) August 16, 2021

Honestly, I'm not sure if that's a good thing or a bad thing.

Biden Administration Deploys Elite Squad Of TikTok Influencers To Stop Taliban https://t.co/ZdGNhIFzBb

— The Babylon Bee (@TheBabylonBee) August 16, 2021

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Biden Administration Deploys Elite Squad Of TikTok Influencers To Stop Taliban https://t.co/ZdGNhIFzBb

— The Babylon Bee (@TheBabylonBee) August 16, 2021

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This is actually kinda funny....and probably true

How many questions is Sleepy Joe going to take today?

Just joking.... the answer is zero. I'm betting the press won't even be allowed into the room.

You lefties own this. I for one hope he has a killer tan and is his usual "lost" self. But... you know... at least he doesn't tweet am I right comrades? We really showed the Connies on that one..... LMAO...

You losers deserve all you got coming to you in the next 12 years or so...

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Biden to return to White House, address nation after Afghanistan falls to Talibanhttps://t.co/eIH20JH85G

— Fox News (@FoxNews) August 16, 2021

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Only reading a prepared speech or will he be available to answer questions from the press?

When Cillizza goes after Biden like this, you know its serious. Granted, as you would expect, he blames a lot of it on Trump / GOP governors

Crisis of competence facing Joe Biden - CNNPolitics

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packgrad said:

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Biden to return to White House, address nation after Afghanistan falls to Talibanhttps://t.co/eIH20JH85G

— Fox News (@FoxNews) August 16, 2021

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Only reading a prepared speech or will he be available to answer questions from the press?

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Haha. He won't answer questions, unless they are planned well in advance.

Joe it was your decision and Harris had a key role. Take responsibility today for your failure of a plan.

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/04/25/harris-afghanistan-biden-withdrawal-decision-484581

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hokiewolf said:

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When all else fails, blame Trump.

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Here's the thing, Trumps policy is a contributing factor in this. The issue at hand is that the Taliban were playing to win at all cost, the US policy never matched that. The best they hoped for was a draw. When that happens, you see the results you see.

Regardless of who was in office, this was the inevitable result of the war in Afghanistan.

Now, the absolute disaster of this retreat is on Biden. How he didn't recognize that this would happen is absolutely perplexing.

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Actually, 20 years of listening to the Generals and war mongers, with a military industrial complex, that have been just plain wrong, is the problem!

Look at the money, lives that have been lost!! I used to be a supporter of all this crap; however, seeing all those military personnel be mangled for life has made me ask questions!

The question is: Why?

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I've wondered for years why no one on either side of the aisle spoke up and demanded whatever administration was in the White House explain in no uncertain terms, precisely what our strategic goals were and precisely why and how American forces on the ground benefitted the US.

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caryking said:

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hokiewolf said:

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When all else fails, blame Trump.

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Here's the thing, Trumps policy is a contributing factor in this. The issue at hand is that the Taliban were playing to win at all cost, the US policy never matched that. The best they hoped for was a draw. When that happens, you see the results you see.

Regardless of who was in office, this was the inevitable result of the war in Afghanistan.

Now, the absolute disaster of this retreat is on Biden. How he didn't recognize that this would happen is absolutely perplexing.

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Actually, 20 years of listening to the Generals and war mongers, with a military industrial complex, that have been just plain wrong, is the problem!

Look at the money, lives that have been lost!! I used to be a supporter of all this crap; however, seeing all those military personnel be mangled for life has made me ask questions!

The question is: Why?

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I've wondered for years why no one on either side of the aisle spoke up and demanded whatever administration was in the White House explain in no uncertain terms, precisely what our strategic goals were and precisely why and how American forces on the ground benefitted the US.

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Because the kickbacks benefits most of the people in power on both sides of the aisle?

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Oldsouljer said:

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caryking said:

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hokiewolf said:

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WarrenPeace said:

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When all else fails, blame Trump.

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Here's the thing, Trumps policy is a contributing factor in this. The issue at hand is that the Taliban were playing to win at all cost, the US policy never matched that. The best they hoped for was a draw. When that happens, you see the results you see.

Regardless of who was in office, this was the inevitable result of the war in Afghanistan.

Now, the absolute disaster of this retreat is on Biden. How he didn't recognize that this would happen is absolutely perplexing.

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Actually, 20 years of listening to the Generals and war mongers, with a military industrial complex, that have been just plain wrong, is the problem!

Look at the money, lives that have been lost!! I used to be a supporter of all this crap; however, seeing all those military personnel be mangled for life has made me ask questions!

The question is: Why?

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I've wondered for years why no one on either side of the aisle spoke up and demanded whatever administration was in the White House explain in no uncertain terms, precisely what our strategic goals were and precisely why and how American forces on the ground benefitted the US.

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Because the kickbacks benefits most of the people in power on both sides of the aisle?

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Yep! How do you think politicians get so rich?

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It's going to happen...

Why don't they just get people to wear arm bands? I'm sure Isiswolf would enjoy that.... just saying.

He loves AOC and the Flunky Bunch.. especially Talib and Omar...... he's a fan. he absolutely defended their Anti-Semitic comments... twice.

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Absolutely pathetic attempt.

I've only spoken down about the squad and have never defended anti-Semitism. Prove it liar

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I don't need to prove what you said months ago. You defended Talib. You know damn well you did. You stayed away for a few weeks after doing it. You are the liar. And a bad one at that comrade Isis.

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You really are delusional aren't you?

I made a comment about Amash and you tried to shoehorn Tlaib for an utterly unrelated point. I never defended her or anything she's said. You then started lying about it immediately.

And I "stayed away" because my kid had just started daycare and I'd been given a control of a new project at work. I have better things to do than argue with someone who's never once tried to engage in good faith.

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And yet you continue to deflect and not address the fact that Tilab was on the same stage as Amash and you supported them. Thanks for pointing it out comrade. Noticed you completely glossed over the topic at hand. You do you. MARXISM/COMMUNISM suits you well. Your spin is obvious. Pretty sure you aren't upset with how things are going over there. Congrats Isiswolf. Your terror group appears to be coming back.

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*** are you talking about? Amash was "on the same stage" with virtually every Republican in congress. Your original post trying to tie them together, and them somehow tie them to me, were some truly terrible leaps of logic.

How dare something like this get in the way of Biden hiding from everyone...

pic.twitter.com/4Q2SmFzOuo

— Philip Melanchthon Wegmann (@PhilipWegmann) August 16, 2021

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caryking said:

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hokiewolf said:

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WarrenPeace said:

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When all else fails, blame Trump.

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Here's the thing, Trumps policy is a contributing factor in this. The issue at hand is that the Taliban were playing to win at all cost, the US policy never matched that. The best they hoped for was a draw. When that happens, you see the results you see.

Regardless of who was in office, this was the inevitable result of the war in Afghanistan.

Now, the absolute disaster of this retreat is on Biden. How he didn't recognize that this would happen is absolutely perplexing.

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Actually, 20 years of listening to the Generals and war mongers, with a military industrial complex, that have been just plain wrong, is the problem!

Look at the money, lives that have been lost!! I used to be a supporter of all this crap; however, seeing all those military personnel be mangled for life has made me ask questions!

The question is: Why?

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I've wondered for years why no one on either side of the aisle spoke up and demanded whatever administration was in the White House explain in no uncertain terms, precisely what our strategic goals were and precisely why and how American forces on the ground benefitted the US.

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War authorizations should sunset periodically and be reauthorized. We spent far too long with Afghanistan being an afterthought, outside the general publics consciousness. It allowed us to be sold an overly rosy picture of ground conditions while contractors got rich off the perpetual conflict.

We should have left 10+ years ago. The ANA could not stand for itself after 2 decades. Corruption riddles the government and soldiers had no loyalty to their nation. The end result, Taliban control was inevitable even if the withdrawal was under Obama or Trump.

That said, the exit is an absolutely debacle that Biden may never shake. Its mind numbing that embassy's weren't fully evacuated before the soldiers left. We had forever to plan this. Why is there military equipment being left behind after our departure? Finally, any Afghanis who helped the military and face retaliation should have been given asylum here.

It's all Trump's fault....even though Biden spent her first weeks in the office overturning every single thing that Trump did

Biden: "I Inherited A Deal That President Trump Negotiated With The Taliban" https://t.co/2203b98laj

— RCP Video (@rcpvideo) August 16, 2021

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