cowboypack02 said:

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pineknollshoresking said:

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cowboypack02 said:

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pineknollshoresking said:

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IseWolf22 said:

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Ground_Chuck said:

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ncsualum05 said:

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pineknollshoresking said:

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Civilized said:

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BBW12OG said:

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SupplyChainPack said:

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cowboypack02 said:

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SexualChocolate said:

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Oh hell! The fix is in for the GA Senate race. Do you think Trump pumping up the rigged elections deterred some of his base to show up? I really don't care that much but I wonder what people think what influenced this important race.

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I think the nail in the coffin was the republican senate not carrying the 2000 dollar stimulus package, honesty.

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McConnell knew what he was doing.

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Perdue still has a chance. Decent one at that. If dems win both seats then Trump will be blamed for it all and he will be purged from the GOP forever. McConnell knew this and is playing the long game for 2022-24.

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That's actually the type of 4D chess that people accused Trump of playing early in his term, until they realized he couldn't sit still or hold a thought in his head for more than a few seconds, until the next squirrel ran into his view.

I agree that this could very well be intentional on McConnell's part and it would be smart. Trumpism is a race to the bottom for Republicans (and the country, by extension).

Repudiating Trumpism and bringing highly electable candidate(s) to the table in 2024 is a winning strategy for the right. I think there's a 90% chance Haley beats Kamala. Pence would probably be better than 50/50 odds, although I don't think he shares Haley's appeal with conservative and moderate women. I think Haley would prove to be massively popular with Trump-to-Biden voters that went Biden only because Trump is so distasteful.

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Civ, you are speaking mostly to the Trump style. Unfortunately, for your points and MAGA people are far more interested in the substance. MAGA people are fed up with the Oligarchies we live with everyday.

• Corporate Media Oligarchy
• Big Business Oligarchy
• Big Tech Oligarchy
• Establishment Politicians (Both Parties) <- Could be the biggest issue in our country

Trump, given the style issues you and others don't like, are overlooked by MAGA people because he calls the Oligarchy out everyday. That is the appeal that people on the board are just not seeing. You know, its going to be hard for another Republican to be elected, for President, in a long time.

I think what is missed is Trump has fundamentally changed the Republican Party. The Republican Party is no longer the Party of the Elites, that now goes to the Democrats, excluding the established Republicans. I can go on about this; however, it probably will go on deaf ears.

No need to call out Trump for this or that. That will only show that you are just not seeing it... This is not calling on you to agree with it and/or support it, just realize the country has a bunch of people support Trumps actions...

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This is correct pineknolls. The Trump movement is really a populist movement. It's pro worker and anti DC for the most part. DC establishment and government is largely detested by voters and it crosses party lines. Yes most of the Trump voters vote GOP down the line but it's not like they like a lot of those candidates. It's more of a lesser of 2 evils thing. When Trump is off the ticket you see what happens. The old GOP needs to die and fast b/c there's no future in it. The GOP needs to primary all the old establishment *****s and become a full populist pro worker America first party. It has to happen that way.. you can't form a 3rd party or an independent coalition.

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How is Trump/Trumpism a populist movement? Saying things that the base like isn't populism, its pandering.

What pro worker legislation did the push? What policies are populist?

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Populism - a political approach that strives to appeal to ordinary people who feel that their concerns are disregarded by established elite groups.

You don't need to push a particular set of policies to be a "populist." It's more about how you try to sell your agenda, whatever it is

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Trump did!

Listen folks, Trump did certain things that I totally disagree with (Stimulus packages); however, you have to take the good with the bad.

BTW, I consider myself to be an ordinary person even though I didn't receive a stimulus check!

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lol...my man is backdoor telling everyone that he makes too much money to get a stimulus check....I can appreciate that

In all seriousness though I am at the point of thinking that the entire purpose of government at this point is to take money from all of us who make it and either enrich politicians or give it away to someone else for votes.

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yea, I guess I did, didn't I? Right now, I'm just so frustrated at what I see... We are really living in a **** Show!!

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That we are. Every now and then my wife and I will talk a bit of politics even though we disagree and when something happens that i really disagree with i tell her i bought another 1000 rounds.....

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good idea! Ive been buying a box of 5.56 every time I stop in a store.

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BBW12OG said:

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Best advice I can give to everyone is to buy stock in weed companies and mobile sports betting apps... preferably Penn Gaming. That's the one owned by Dave Portnoy and Barstool Sports. You may as well get ready for $4 - $5 a gallon gas again. It's coming and coming quickly. Open borders and the abolishing of ICE will happen in the first two weeks. What is about to happen to this country is nothing short of a Soros led socialist takeover. Manchin will be bought off to an extent. He isn't up for re-election in 2022 so he is safe for the next 4 years. He can retire after that either a hero or the man that destroyed America.

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after hearing the turnout, on game day, was not what was needed for the two Establishment Republicans, I called my advisor and divested all my stock into cash holdings.

Now, its a wait and see before I jump back in...

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I will typically do that as well but decided to roll the dice for the day. It looks like its paying dividends this morning....although with the cluster that's about to happen in the senate this afternoon i'll probably sell off. I'm waiting to see what happens with the AZ electors. If Pence just rolls with it then i'll sell off, If Pence decides to make things interesting then I think the market will stay up for at least the rest of the day

pineknollshoresking said:

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cowboypack02 said:

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pineknollshoresking said:

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cowboypack02 said:

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pineknollshoresking said:

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IseWolf22 said:

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Ground_Chuck said:

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ncsualum05 said:

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pineknollshoresking said:

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Civilized said:

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BBW12OG said:

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SupplyChainPack said:

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cowboypack02 said:

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SexualChocolate said:

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Oh hell! The fix is in for the GA Senate race. Do you think Trump pumping up the rigged elections deterred some of his base to show up? I really don't care that much but I wonder what people think what influenced this important race.

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I think the nail in the coffin was the republican senate not carrying the 2000 dollar stimulus package, honesty.

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McConnell knew what he was doing.

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Perdue still has a chance. Decent one at that. If dems win both seats then Trump will be blamed for it all and he will be purged from the GOP forever. McConnell knew this and is playing the long game for 2022-24.

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That's actually the type of 4D chess that people accused Trump of playing early in his term, until they realized he couldn't sit still or hold a thought in his head for more than a few seconds, until the next squirrel ran into his view.

I agree that this could very well be intentional on McConnell's part and it would be smart. Trumpism is a race to the bottom for Republicans (and the country, by extension).

Repudiating Trumpism and bringing highly electable candidate(s) to the table in 2024 is a winning strategy for the right. I think there's a 90% chance Haley beats Kamala. Pence would probably be better than 50/50 odds, although I don't think he shares Haley's appeal with conservative and moderate women. I think Haley would prove to be massively popular with Trump-to-Biden voters that went Biden only because Trump is so distasteful.

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Civ, you are speaking mostly to the Trump style. Unfortunately, for your points and MAGA people are far more interested in the substance. MAGA people are fed up with the Oligarchies we live with everyday.

• Corporate Media Oligarchy
• Big Business Oligarchy
• Big Tech Oligarchy
• Establishment Politicians (Both Parties) <- Could be the biggest issue in our country

Trump, given the style issues you and others don't like, are overlooked by MAGA people because he calls the Oligarchy out everyday. That is the appeal that people on the board are just not seeing. You know, its going to be hard for another Republican to be elected, for President, in a long time.

I think what is missed is Trump has fundamentally changed the Republican Party. The Republican Party is no longer the Party of the Elites, that now goes to the Democrats, excluding the established Republicans. I can go on about this; however, it probably will go on deaf ears.

No need to call out Trump for this or that. That will only show that you are just not seeing it... This is not calling on you to agree with it and/or support it, just realize the country has a bunch of people support Trumps actions...

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This is correct pineknolls. The Trump movement is really a populist movement. It's pro worker and anti DC for the most part. DC establishment and government is largely detested by voters and it crosses party lines. Yes most of the Trump voters vote GOP down the line but it's not like they like a lot of those candidates. It's more of a lesser of 2 evils thing. When Trump is off the ticket you see what happens. The old GOP needs to die and fast b/c there's no future in it. The GOP needs to primary all the old establishment *****s and become a full populist pro worker America first party. It has to happen that way.. you can't form a 3rd party or an independent coalition.

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How is Trump/Trumpism a populist movement? Saying things that the base like isn't populism, its pandering.

What pro worker legislation did the push? What policies are populist?

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Populism - a political approach that strives to appeal to ordinary people who feel that their concerns are disregarded by established elite groups.

You don't need to push a particular set of policies to be a "populist." It's more about how you try to sell your agenda, whatever it is

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Trump did!

Listen folks, Trump did certain things that I totally disagree with (Stimulus packages); however, you have to take the good with the bad.

BTW, I consider myself to be an ordinary person even though I didn't receive a stimulus check!

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lol...my man is backdoor telling everyone that he makes too much money to get a stimulus check....I can appreciate that

In all seriousness though I am at the point of thinking that the entire purpose of government at this point is to take money from all of us who make it and either enrich politicians or give it away to someone else for votes.

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yea, I guess I did, didn't I? Right now, I'm just so frustrated at what I see... We are really living in a **** Show!!

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That we are. Every now and then my wife and I will talk a bit of politics even though we disagree and when something happens that i really disagree with i tell her i bought another 1000 rounds.....

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good idea! Ive been buying a box of 5.56 every time I stop in a store.

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I bought an AR-10 last June and have been buying .308 rounds instead of the .556 rounds.

In saying that i could probably fight a small war with my stash at this point

pineknollshoresking said:

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Was only a matter of time. He had already left the democrat party last spring/ summer. He might be the only figure in GA that can save it from total communist takeover. I expect him to primary Kemp and take on Stacy Abrams for governor in 2022.

cowboypack02 said:

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pineknollshoresking said:

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cowboypack02 said:

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pineknollshoresking said:

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cowboypack02 said:

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pineknollshoresking said:

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IseWolf22 said:

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Ground_Chuck said:

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ncsualum05 said:

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pineknollshoresking said:

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Civilized said:

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BBW12OG said:

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SupplyChainPack said:

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cowboypack02 said:

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SexualChocolate said:

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Oh hell! The fix is in for the GA Senate race. Do you think Trump pumping up the rigged elections deterred some of his base to show up? I really don't care that much but I wonder what people think what influenced this important race.

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I think the nail in the coffin was the republican senate not carrying the 2000 dollar stimulus package, honesty.

---

McConnell knew what he was doing.

---

Perdue still has a chance. Decent one at that. If dems win both seats then Trump will be blamed for it all and he will be purged from the GOP forever. McConnell knew this and is playing the long game for 2022-24.

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That's actually the type of 4D chess that people accused Trump of playing early in his term, until they realized he couldn't sit still or hold a thought in his head for more than a few seconds, until the next squirrel ran into his view.

I agree that this could very well be intentional on McConnell's part and it would be smart. Trumpism is a race to the bottom for Republicans (and the country, by extension).

Repudiating Trumpism and bringing highly electable candidate(s) to the table in 2024 is a winning strategy for the right. I think there's a 90% chance Haley beats Kamala. Pence would probably be better than 50/50 odds, although I don't think he shares Haley's appeal with conservative and moderate women. I think Haley would prove to be massively popular with Trump-to-Biden voters that went Biden only because Trump is so distasteful.

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Civ, you are speaking mostly to the Trump style. Unfortunately, for your points and MAGA people are far more interested in the substance. MAGA people are fed up with the Oligarchies we live with everyday.

• Corporate Media Oligarchy
• Big Business Oligarchy
• Big Tech Oligarchy
• Establishment Politicians (Both Parties) <- Could be the biggest issue in our country

Trump, given the style issues you and others don't like, are overlooked by MAGA people because he calls the Oligarchy out everyday. That is the appeal that people on the board are just not seeing. You know, its going to be hard for another Republican to be elected, for President, in a long time.

I think what is missed is Trump has fundamentally changed the Republican Party. The Republican Party is no longer the Party of the Elites, that now goes to the Democrats, excluding the established Republicans. I can go on about this; however, it probably will go on deaf ears.

No need to call out Trump for this or that. That will only show that you are just not seeing it... This is not calling on you to agree with it and/or support it, just realize the country has a bunch of people support Trumps actions...

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This is correct pineknolls. The Trump movement is really a populist movement. It's pro worker and anti DC for the most part. DC establishment and government is largely detested by voters and it crosses party lines. Yes most of the Trump voters vote GOP down the line but it's not like they like a lot of those candidates. It's more of a lesser of 2 evils thing. When Trump is off the ticket you see what happens. The old GOP needs to die and fast b/c there's no future in it. The GOP needs to primary all the old establishment *****s and become a full populist pro worker America first party. It has to happen that way.. you can't form a 3rd party or an independent coalition.

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How is Trump/Trumpism a populist movement? Saying things that the base like isn't populism, its pandering.

What pro worker legislation did the push? What policies are populist?

---

Populism - a political approach that strives to appeal to ordinary people who feel that their concerns are disregarded by established elite groups.

You don't need to push a particular set of policies to be a "populist." It's more about how you try to sell your agenda, whatever it is

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Trump did!

Listen folks, Trump did certain things that I totally disagree with (Stimulus packages); however, you have to take the good with the bad.

BTW, I consider myself to be an ordinary person even though I didn't receive a stimulus check!

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lol...my man is backdoor telling everyone that he makes too much money to get a stimulus check....I can appreciate that

In all seriousness though I am at the point of thinking that the entire purpose of government at this point is to take money from all of us who make it and either enrich politicians or give it away to someone else for votes.

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yea, I guess I did, didn't I? Right now, I'm just so frustrated at what I see... We are really living in a **** Show!!

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That we are. Every now and then my wife and I will talk a bit of politics even though we disagree and when something happens that i really disagree with i tell her i bought another 1000 rounds.....

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good idea! Ive been buying a box of 5.56 every time I stop in a store.

---

I bought an AR-10 last June and have been buying .308 rounds instead of the .556 rounds.

In saying that i could probably fight a small war with my stash at this point

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Thats funny as Hell!!!

ncsualum05 said:

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pineknollshoresking said:

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Was only a matter of time. He had already left the democrat party last spring/ summer. He might be the only figure in GA that can save it from total communist takeover. I expect him to primary Kemp and take on Stacy Abrams for governor in 2022.

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I think that would be a good play by Jones.

My guess is that Doug Collins is going to primary take his shot at whatever senate seat opens first in GA as well

pineknollshoresking said:

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cowboypack02 said:

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pineknollshoresking said:

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cowboypack02 said:

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pineknollshoresking said:

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cowboypack02 said:

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pineknollshoresking said:

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IseWolf22 said:

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Ground_Chuck said:

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ncsualum05 said:

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pineknollshoresking said:

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Civilized said:

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BBW12OG said:

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SupplyChainPack said:

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cowboypack02 said:

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SexualChocolate said:

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Oh hell! The fix is in for the GA Senate race. Do you think Trump pumping up the rigged elections deterred some of his base to show up? I really don't care that much but I wonder what people think what influenced this important race.

---

I think the nail in the coffin was the republican senate not carrying the 2000 dollar stimulus package, honesty.

---

McConnell knew what he was doing.

---

Perdue still has a chance. Decent one at that. If dems win both seats then Trump will be blamed for it all and he will be purged from the GOP forever. McConnell knew this and is playing the long game for 2022-24.

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That's actually the type of 4D chess that people accused Trump of playing early in his term, until they realized he couldn't sit still or hold a thought in his head for more than a few seconds, until the next squirrel ran into his view.

I agree that this could very well be intentional on McConnell's part and it would be smart. Trumpism is a race to the bottom for Republicans (and the country, by extension).

Repudiating Trumpism and bringing highly electable candidate(s) to the table in 2024 is a winning strategy for the right. I think there's a 90% chance Haley beats Kamala. Pence would probably be better than 50/50 odds, although I don't think he shares Haley's appeal with conservative and moderate women. I think Haley would prove to be massively popular with Trump-to-Biden voters that went Biden only because Trump is so distasteful.

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Civ, you are speaking mostly to the Trump style. Unfortunately, for your points and MAGA people are far more interested in the substance. MAGA people are fed up with the Oligarchies we live with everyday.

• Corporate Media Oligarchy
• Big Business Oligarchy
• Big Tech Oligarchy
• Establishment Politicians (Both Parties) <- Could be the biggest issue in our country

Trump, given the style issues you and others don't like, are overlooked by MAGA people because he calls the Oligarchy out everyday. That is the appeal that people on the board are just not seeing. You know, its going to be hard for another Republican to be elected, for President, in a long time.

I think what is missed is Trump has fundamentally changed the Republican Party. The Republican Party is no longer the Party of the Elites, that now goes to the Democrats, excluding the established Republicans. I can go on about this; however, it probably will go on deaf ears.

No need to call out Trump for this or that. That will only show that you are just not seeing it... This is not calling on you to agree with it and/or support it, just realize the country has a bunch of people support Trumps actions...

---

This is correct pineknolls. The Trump movement is really a populist movement. It's pro worker and anti DC for the most part. DC establishment and government is largely detested by voters and it crosses party lines. Yes most of the Trump voters vote GOP down the line but it's not like they like a lot of those candidates. It's more of a lesser of 2 evils thing. When Trump is off the ticket you see what happens. The old GOP needs to die and fast b/c there's no future in it. The GOP needs to primary all the old establishment *****s and become a full populist pro worker America first party. It has to happen that way.. you can't form a 3rd party or an independent coalition.

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How is Trump/Trumpism a populist movement? Saying things that the base like isn't populism, its pandering.

What pro worker legislation did the push? What policies are populist?

---

Populism - a political approach that strives to appeal to ordinary people who feel that their concerns are disregarded by established elite groups.

You don't need to push a particular set of policies to be a "populist." It's more about how you try to sell your agenda, whatever it is

---

Trump did!

Listen folks, Trump did certain things that I totally disagree with (Stimulus packages); however, you have to take the good with the bad.

BTW, I consider myself to be an ordinary person even though I didn't receive a stimulus check!

---

lol...my man is backdoor telling everyone that he makes too much money to get a stimulus check....I can appreciate that

In all seriousness though I am at the point of thinking that the entire purpose of government at this point is to take money from all of us who make it and either enrich politicians or give it away to someone else for votes.

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yea, I guess I did, didn't I? Right now, I'm just so frustrated at what I see... We are really living in a **** Show!!

---

That we are. Every now and then my wife and I will talk a bit of politics even though we disagree and when something happens that i really disagree with i tell her i bought another 1000 rounds.....

---

good idea! Ive been buying a box of 5.56 every time I stop in a store.

---

I bought an AR-10 last June and have been buying .308 rounds instead of the .556 rounds.

In saying that i could probably fight a small war with my stash at this point

---

Thats funny as Hell!!!

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The wife isn't as big a fan of the guns that I am. I took the baby to my local gun store a few weeks ago and mentioned that I was going. She didn't seem to think that a gun store was an appropriate place for a 5 month old.

I had to remind her that I was sitting on an armory and my child would be shooting when she was old enough....

IseWolf22 said:

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Ground_Chuck said:

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ncsualum05 said:

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pineknollshoresking said:

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Civilized said:

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BBW12OG said:

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SupplyChainPack said:

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cowboypack02 said:

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SexualChocolate said:

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Oh hell! The fix is in for the GA Senate race. Do you think Trump pumping up the rigged elections deterred some of his base to show up? I really don't care that much but I wonder what people think what influenced this important race.

---

I think the nail in the coffin was the republican senate not carrying the 2000 dollar stimulus package, honesty.

---

McConnell knew what he was doing.

---

Perdue still has a chance. Decent one at that. If dems win both seats then Trump will be blamed for it all and he will be purged from the GOP forever. McConnell knew this and is playing the long game for 2022-24.

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That's actually the type of 4D chess that people accused Trump of playing early in his term, until they realized he couldn't sit still or hold a thought in his head for more than a few seconds, until the next squirrel ran into his view.

I agree that this could very well be intentional on McConnell's part and it would be smart. Trumpism is a race to the bottom for Republicans (and the country, by extension).

Repudiating Trumpism and bringing highly electable candidate(s) to the table in 2024 is a winning strategy for the right. I think there's a 90% chance Haley beats Kamala. Pence would probably be better than 50/50 odds, although I don't think he shares Haley's appeal with conservative and moderate women. I think Haley would prove to be massively popular with Trump-to-Biden voters that went Biden only because Trump is so distasteful.

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Civ, you are speaking mostly to the Trump style. Unfortunately, for your points and MAGA people are far more interested in the substance. MAGA people are fed up with the Oligarchies we live with everyday.

• Corporate Media Oligarchy
• Big Business Oligarchy
• Big Tech Oligarchy
• Establishment Politicians (Both Parties) <- Could be the biggest issue in our country

Trump, given the style issues you and others don't like, are overlooked by MAGA people because he calls the Oligarchy out everyday. That is the appeal that people on the board are just not seeing. You know, its going to be hard for another Republican to be elected, for President, in a long time.

I think what is missed is Trump has fundamentally changed the Republican Party. The Republican Party is no longer the Party of the Elites, that now goes to the Democrats, excluding the established Republicans. I can go on about this; however, it probably will go on deaf ears.

No need to call out Trump for this or that. That will only show that you are just not seeing it... This is not calling on you to agree with it and/or support it, just realize the country has a bunch of people support Trumps actions...

---

This is correct pineknolls. The Trump movement is really a populist movement. It's pro worker and anti DC for the most part. DC establishment and government is largely detested by voters and it crosses party lines. Yes most of the Trump voters vote GOP down the line but it's not like they like a lot of those candidates. It's more of a lesser of 2 evils thing. When Trump is off the ticket you see what happens. The old GOP needs to die and fast b/c there's no future in it. The GOP needs to primary all the old establishment *****s and become a full populist pro worker America first party. It has to happen that way.. you can't form a 3rd party or an independent coalition.

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How is Trump/Trumpism a populist movement? Saying things that the base like isn't populism, its pandering.

What pro worker legislation did the push? What policies are populist?

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Populism - a political approach that strives to appeal to ordinary people who feel that their concerns are disregarded by established elite groups.

You don't need to push a particular set of policies to be a "populist." It's more about how you try to sell your agenda, whatever it is

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The irony is that you can push an America-first agenda that appeals to ordinary folks that feel overlooked by government that's not callous or xenophobic.

Populist leaders here and in Europe inflame the and galvanize progressives with their rhetoric but you can de-couple "America first" and "reasonable immigration and foreign policies." Package bills in a more considerate and prudent way (No "Mexican immigrants are more likely to be rapists/murderers" or Muslim ban - type inflammatory and completely unproductive packaging) and it becomes much more win-win.

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What you are thinking of as a moderate would have been considered an extreme leftist prior to 0bama taking office - and it's still just as morally corrupt and fundamentally idiotic.

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Um, no.

Moderates or centrists do not qualify as extreme leftist by any reasonable definition.

Swing voters are not extreme anything; if they were their vote wouldn't be in doubt.

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I don't know, I think 2018 and then the Special Election have proven that the voters aren't as motivated when Trump's not on the ballot. Will be interesting to see their approach.

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For sure. Trump makes people turn out in droves. There can never be any doubt about that.

SupplyChainPack said:

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Civilized said:

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That's actually the type of 4D chess that people accused Trump of playing early in his term, until they realized he couldn't sit still or hold a thought in his head for more than a few seconds, until the next squirrel ran into his view.

I agree that this could very well be intentional on McConnell's part and it would be smart. Trumpism is a race to the bottom for Republicans (and the country, by extension).

Repudiating Trumpism and bringing highly electable candidate(s) to the table in 2024 is a winning strategy for the right. I think there's a 90% chance Haley beats Kamala. Pence would probably be better than 50/50 odds, although I don't think he shares Haley's appeal with conservative and moderate women. I think Haley would prove to be massively popular with Trump-to-Biden voters that went Biden only because Trump is so distasteful.

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Except that Trump has been profoundly successful in executing his policy. Even when he had to do most of it on his own. And it has been a great benefit to our country.

Pretending away the obvious election fraud for a moment - I guess the lesson is that people prefer that our nation be in decline, everyone is equally miserable, we quietly accept China as our master, dirty money is flowing like a river around Washington, anyone can just illegally hope over our borders whenever they want, and we are pumping billions of dollars at terrorist regimes?

Are candidates that reflect these values more electable in your view?

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What policy was he profoundly successful at implementing?

How do you determine whether or not our nation is 'in decline'?

What constitutes China being 'our master'?

How much dirty money was flowing in Washington before and after Trump?

How many illegal immigrants hopped over our border before and after Trump?

Civilized said:

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SupplyChainPack said:

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What you are thinking of as a moderate would have been considered an extreme leftist prior to 0bama taking office - and it's still just as morally corrupt and fundamentally idiotic.

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Um, no.

Moderates or centrists do not qualify as extreme leftist by any reasonable definition.

Swing voters are not extreme anything; if they were their vote wouldn't be in doubt.

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Actually, so-called modernist and/or centrist are typically uniformed voters. They typically vote on feeling and emotions.

Civilized said:

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SupplyChainPack said:

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Civilized said:

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That's actually the type of 4D chess that people accused Trump of playing early in his term, until they realized he couldn't sit still or hold a thought in his head for more than a few seconds, until the next squirrel ran into his view.

I agree that this could very well be intentional on McConnell's part and it would be smart. Trumpism is a race to the bottom for Republicans (and the country, by extension).

Repudiating Trumpism and bringing highly electable candidate(s) to the table in 2024 is a winning strategy for the right. I think there's a 90% chance Haley beats Kamala. Pence would probably be better than 50/50 odds, although I don't think he shares Haley's appeal with conservative and moderate women. I think Haley would prove to be massively popular with Trump-to-Biden voters that went Biden only because Trump is so distasteful.

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Except that Trump has been profoundly successful in executing his policy. Even when he had to do most of it on his own. And it has been a great benefit to our country.

Pretending away the obvious election fraud for a moment - I guess the lesson is that people prefer that our nation be in decline, everyone is equally miserable, we quietly accept China as our master, dirty money is flowing like a river around Washington, anyone can just illegally hope over our borders whenever they want, and we are pumping billions of dollars at terrorist regimes?

Are candidates that reflect these values more electable in your view?

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What policy was he profoundly successful at implementing?

How do you determine whether or not our nation is 'in decline'?

What constitutes China being 'our master'?

How much dirty money was flowing in Washington before and after Trump?

How many illegal immigrants hopped over our border before and after Trump?

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What policy was he profoundly successful at implementing?

Tax Policy is enough!

How do you determine whether or not our nation is 'in decline'?

Easy - GDP growth, quality jobs, people's pockets

What constitutes China being 'our master'?

Really, just walk into any store and look at where product is made. They have out-negotiated us at every step of the way. Why? Look at the Globalist and their pocket book.

How much dirty money was flowing in Washington before and after Trump?

Probably not a change. How much dirty money did Zuckeberg put into this lasted election? I've heard somewhere around 500M.

How many illegal immigrants hopped over our border before and after Trump?

Probably a lot less because of the wall.

ncsualum05 said:

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The GOP will circle the wagons. They got a shot of reality with the Loeffler loss last night. I'm not entirely upset with the loss(es). Purge Trump and the old regime. Let the new Nicki Haley faction of the party take over immediately. Schumer has already tweeted "buckle up"...that's foreboding that he intends on implementing the far left agenda....DC/Puerto Rico statehood, abolishing the filibuster, impeaching Kavanaugh and possibly ACB, medicare for all, open borders, free everything. Joe Manchin will determine if this country is headed for a Civil War or not.

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You're crazy if you think that purging Trump is the way forward for the GOP. You really think the old way is going to win elections in the future? Hell if they do all those things you mentioned than we will never win another election regardless. Trump and his family are not going anywhere. The populist movement isn't going anywhere. We are not going back to the days of country club Republicans like Romney leading the party. The communists may win regardless but your best chance to not slip into an eternal communist abyss is an America first agenda.

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I don't know what you consider the "old way" but if this election cycle has been any indication I think Haley and Pence are more electable than Trump, yes.

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Ground_Chuck said:

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ncsualum05 said:

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pineknollshoresking said:

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Civilized said:

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BBW12OG said:

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SupplyChainPack said:

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cowboypack02 said:

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Oh hell! The fix is in for the GA Senate race. Do you think Trump pumping up the rigged elections deterred some of his base to show up? I really don't care that much but I wonder what people think what influenced this important race.

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I think the nail in the coffin was the republican senate not carrying the 2000 dollar stimulus package, honesty.

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McConnell knew what he was doing.

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Perdue still has a chance. Decent one at that. If dems win both seats then Trump will be blamed for it all and he will be purged from the GOP forever. McConnell knew this and is playing the long game for 2022-24.

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That's actually the type of 4D chess that people accused Trump of playing early in his term, until they realized he couldn't sit still or hold a thought in his head for more than a few seconds, until the next squirrel ran into his view.

I agree that this could very well be intentional on McConnell's part and it would be smart. Trumpism is a race to the bottom for Republicans (and the country, by extension).

Repudiating Trumpism and bringing highly electable candidate(s) to the table in 2024 is a winning strategy for the right. I think there's a 90% chance Haley beats Kamala. Pence would probably be better than 50/50 odds, although I don't think he shares Haley's appeal with conservative and moderate women. I think Haley would prove to be massively popular with Trump-to-Biden voters that went Biden only because Trump is so distasteful.

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Civ, you are speaking mostly to the Trump style. Unfortunately, for your points and MAGA people are far more interested in the substance. MAGA people are fed up with the Oligarchies we live with everyday.

• Corporate Media Oligarchy
• Big Business Oligarchy
• Big Tech Oligarchy
• Establishment Politicians (Both Parties) <- Could be the biggest issue in our country

Trump, given the style issues you and others don't like, are overlooked by MAGA people because he calls the Oligarchy out everyday. That is the appeal that people on the board are just not seeing. You know, its going to be hard for another Republican to be elected, for President, in a long time.

I think what is missed is Trump has fundamentally changed the Republican Party. The Republican Party is no longer the Party of the Elites, that now goes to the Democrats, excluding the established Republicans. I can go on about this; however, it probably will go on deaf ears.

No need to call out Trump for this or that. That will only show that you are just not seeing it... This is not calling on you to agree with it and/or support it, just realize the country has a bunch of people support Trumps actions...

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This is correct pineknolls. The Trump movement is really a populist movement. It's pro worker and anti DC for the most part. DC establishment and government is largely detested by voters and it crosses party lines. Yes most of the Trump voters vote GOP down the line but it's not like they like a lot of those candidates. It's more of a lesser of 2 evils thing. When Trump is off the ticket you see what happens. The old GOP needs to die and fast b/c there's no future in it. The GOP needs to primary all the old establishment *****s and become a full populist pro worker America first party. It has to happen that way.. you can't form a 3rd party or an independent coalition.

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How is Trump/Trumpism a populist movement? Saying things that the base like isn't populism, its pandering.

What pro worker legislation did the push? What policies are populist?

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Prior to this pandemic, most people were seeing the best economy they've seen. How did that happen?

• Tax Plan - That is legislation
• Regulation relief - No legislation - that is done by changes in federal departmental leadership
• Tarifs on China - No legislation - Done by the President, what does that mean? a shift of manufacturing back to the US. This takes a long time. Biden will reverse this.

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The Obama economy carried Trump through 3 years. He should be very grateful.

The Trump/republican tax plan for cutting taxes on the super wealthy and massive multinational corporations was populist policy? The tax cut gave tax breaks to companies that off shored manufacturing. How is that populism?

Cutting mostly environmental regulations to improve profits of massive multination corporations is populism? Which ones of these (link) are populist?

Tariffs on American consumers is populism? Since when is $79b tax increase populist. It helped steel but harmed just about everything else. American's paid about $900k per new job created in steel industry (link)

pineknollshoresking said:

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Civilized said:

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SupplyChainPack said:

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Civilized said:

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That's actually the type of 4D chess that people accused Trump of playing early in his term, until they realized he couldn't sit still or hold a thought in his head for more than a few seconds, until the next squirrel ran into his view.

I agree that this could very well be intentional on McConnell's part and it would be smart. Trumpism is a race to the bottom for Republicans (and the country, by extension).

Repudiating Trumpism and bringing highly electable candidate(s) to the table in 2024 is a winning strategy for the right. I think there's a 90% chance Haley beats Kamala. Pence would probably be better than 50/50 odds, although I don't think he shares Haley's appeal with conservative and moderate women. I think Haley would prove to be massively popular with Trump-to-Biden voters that went Biden only because Trump is so distasteful.

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Except that Trump has been profoundly successful in executing his policy. Even when he had to do most of it on his own. And it has been a great benefit to our country.

Pretending away the obvious election fraud for a moment - I guess the lesson is that people prefer that our nation be in decline, everyone is equally miserable, we quietly accept China as our master, dirty money is flowing like a river around Washington, anyone can just illegally hope over our borders whenever they want, and we are pumping billions of dollars at terrorist regimes?

Are candidates that reflect these values more electable in your view?

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What policy was he profoundly successful at implementing?

How do you determine whether or not our nation is 'in decline'?

What constitutes China being 'our master'?

How much dirty money was flowing in Washington before and after Trump?

How many illegal immigrants hopped over our border before and after Trump?

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What policy was he profoundly successful at implementing?

Tax Policy is enough!

How do you determine whether or not our nation is 'in decline'?

Easy - GDP growth, quality jobs, people's pockets

What constitutes China being 'our master'?

Really, just walk into any store and look at where product is made. They have out-negotiated us at every step of the way. Why? Look at the Globalist and their pocket book.

How much dirty money was flowing in Washington before and after Trump?

Probably not a change. How much dirty money did Zuckeberg put into this lasted election? I've heard somewhere around 500M.

How many illegal immigrants hopped over our border before and after Trump?

Probably a lot less because of the wall.

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GDP growth is Trumps first 3 years was slower the Obamas last 3 years.

pineknollshoresking said:

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What policy was he profoundly successful at implementing?

Tax Policy is enough!

How do you determine whether or not our nation is 'in decline'?

Easy - GDP growth, quality jobs, people's pockets

What constitutes China being 'our master'?

Really, just walk into any store and look at where product is made. They have out-negotiated us at every step of the way. Why? Look at the Globalist and their pocket book.

How much dirty money was flowing in Washington before and after Trump?

Probably not a change. How much dirty money did Zuckeberg put into this lasted election? I've heard somewhere around 500M.

How many illegal immigrants hopped over our border before and after Trump?

Probably a lot less because of the wall.

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All of this is generic and qualitative. It's not at all clear that Trump's actions demonstrably had the effect you think they did.

AZ just rejected in joint session. Retirement to separate chambers for 2 hrs. This is the first thing. I don't know where it goes from here but this is going to be interesting.

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What you are thinking of as a moderate would have been considered an extreme leftist prior to 0bama taking office - and it's still just as morally corrupt and fundamentally idiotic.

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Um, no.

Moderates or centrists do not qualify as extreme leftist by any reasonable definition.

Swing voters are not extreme anything; if they were their vote wouldn't be in doubt.

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Actually, so-called modernist and/or centrist are typically uniformed voters. They typically vote on feeling and emotions.

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That observation is purely subjective.

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AZ just rejected in joint session. Retirement to separate chambers for 2 hrs. This is the first thing. I don't know where it goes from here but this is going to be interesting.

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Goes to each legislative body to be debated for no more than 2 hours. Then each body will vote on whether or not the objection/motion has merit. Given D's control the house and enough R's (Romney, Cassidy, Collins, Murkowski, etc.) have stated they will not join the objecting R's, then these objections are likely no more than an opportunity to pander to the Trump base and campaign for 2024.

Party of Law and Order, don't disrepesct the flag, don't disrepesct uniformed officers, antifa is the devil, yada yada. Carry on losers...

PackBacker07 said:

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Party of Law and Order, don't disrepesct the flag, don't disrepesct uniformed officers, antifa is the devil, yada yada. Carry on losers...

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They need to give those people a total and complete beatdown just like they should have done during the "peaceful protests"... they need to arrest every single one of them.

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ncsualum05 said:

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AZ just rejected in joint session. Retirement to separate chambers for 2 hrs. This is the first thing. I don't know where it goes from here but this is going to be interesting.

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Goes to each legislative body to be debated for no more than 2 hours. Then each body will vote on whether or not the objection/motion has merit. Given D's control the house and enough R's (Romney, Cassidy, Collins, Murkowski, etc.) have stated they will not join the objecting R's, then these objections are likely no more than an opportunity to pander to the Trump base and campaign for 2024.

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Probably right.

Not really sure what the end goal is here - do they want to barge into the Capitol building? And then what?

LaW aNd OrDeR!1!

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Party of Law and Order, don't disrepesct the flag, don't disrepesct uniformed officers, antifa is the devil, yada yada. Carry on losers...

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This is unfortunate but not unexpected.

Combined with the media's portrayal of the Antifa riots for most of last year as peaceful contrary to what we all saw, a political machine that a lot of people don't feel are representing their beliefs even though they were elected for just that purpose, the feeling that voting doesn't matter anymore because the system is rigged against them, a court system that doesn't actually follow the law, and finally a high energy political candidate that has campaigned on a deservedly "us versus them" mentality this is what you get.

As far as turning on the police in DC....There was apparently an incident last night where an Antifa person assaulted someone with a brick and the police stood by and watched, only interfering when the other protesters tried to fight back. That killed it for the police as well.

Like i said in another post last night....it only gets worse from here....

Civilized said:

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SupplyChainPack said:

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What you are thinking of as a moderate would have been considered an extreme leftist prior to 0bama taking office - and it's still just as morally corrupt and fundamentally idiotic.

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Um, no.

Moderates or centrists do not qualify as extreme leftist by any reasonable definition.

Swing voters are not extreme anything; if they were their vote wouldn't be in doubt.

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I'm convinced some people on this thread don't socialize with a single person outside their political affiliation.

Ground_Chuck said:

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pineknollshoresking said:

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Ground_Chuck said:

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ncsualum05 said:

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pineknollshoresking said:

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Civilized said:

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BBW12OG said:

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SupplyChainPack said:

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cowboypack02 said:

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SexualChocolate said:

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Oh hell! The fix is in for the GA Senate race. Do you think Trump pumping up the rigged elections deterred some of his base to show up? I really don't care that much but I wonder what people think what influenced this important race.

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I think the nail in the coffin was the republican senate not carrying the 2000 dollar stimulus package, honesty.

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McConnell knew what he was doing.

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Perdue still has a chance. Decent one at that. If dems win both seats then Trump will be blamed for it all and he will be purged from the GOP forever. McConnell knew this and is playing the long game for 2022-24.

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That's actually the type of 4D chess that people accused Trump of playing early in his term, until they realized he couldn't sit still or hold a thought in his head for more than a few seconds, until the next squirrel ran into his view.

I agree that this could very well be intentional on McConnell's part and it would be smart. Trumpism is a race to the bottom for Republicans (and the country, by extension).

Repudiating Trumpism and bringing highly electable candidate(s) to the table in 2024 is a winning strategy for the right. I think there's a 90% chance Haley beats Kamala. Pence would probably be better than 50/50 odds, although I don't think he shares Haley's appeal with conservative and moderate women. I think Haley would prove to be massively popular with Trump-to-Biden voters that went Biden only because Trump is so distasteful.

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Civ, you are speaking mostly to the Trump style. Unfortunately, for your points and MAGA people are far more interested in the substance. MAGA people are fed up with the Oligarchies we live with everyday.

• Corporate Media Oligarchy
• Big Business Oligarchy
• Big Tech Oligarchy
• Establishment Politicians (Both Parties) <- Could be the biggest issue in our country

Trump, given the style issues you and others don't like, are overlooked by MAGA people because he calls the Oligarchy out everyday. That is the appeal that people on the board are just not seeing. You know, its going to be hard for another Republican to be elected, for President, in a long time.

I think what is missed is Trump has fundamentally changed the Republican Party. The Republican Party is no longer the Party of the Elites, that now goes to the Democrats, excluding the established Republicans. I can go on about this; however, it probably will go on deaf ears.

No need to call out Trump for this or that. That will only show that you are just not seeing it... This is not calling on you to agree with it and/or support it, just realize the country has a bunch of people support Trumps actions...

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This is correct pineknolls. The Trump movement is really a populist movement. It's pro worker and anti DC for the most part. DC establishment and government is largely detested by voters and it crosses party lines. Yes most of the Trump voters vote GOP down the line but it's not like they like a lot of those candidates. It's more of a lesser of 2 evils thing. When Trump is off the ticket you see what happens. The old GOP needs to die and fast b/c there's no future in it. The GOP needs to primary all the old establishment *****s and become a full populist pro worker America first party. It has to happen that way.. you can't form a 3rd party or an independent coalition.

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How is Trump/Trumpism a populist movement? Saying things that the base like isn't populism, its pandering.

What pro worker legislation did the push? What policies are populist?

---

Prior to this pandemic, most people were seeing the best economy they've seen. How did that happen?

• Tax Plan - That is legislation
• Regulation relief - No legislation - that is done by changes in federal departmental leadership
• Tarifs on China - No legislation - Done by the President, what does that mean? a shift of manufacturing back to the US. This takes a long time. Biden will reverse this.

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The Obama economy carried Trump through 3 years. He should be very grateful.

The Trump/republican tax plan for cutting taxes on the super wealthy and massive multinational corporations was populist policy? The tax cut gave tax breaks to companies that off shored manufacturing. How is that populism?

Cutting mostly environmental regulations to improve profits of massive multination corporations is populism? Which ones of these (link) are populist?

Tariffs on American consumers is populism? Since when is $79b tax increase populist. It helped steel but harmed just about everything else. American's paid about $900k per new job created in steel industry (link)

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Tarriffs, and protectionism in general, is classic populism. It sounds nice to the masses who don't really understand it's a tax on your own citizens.

Trump idiots have stormed the Capitol, and not a word from the King of Law and Order. Idiots, all of them.

PackBacker07 said:

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Party of Law and Order, don't disrepesct the flag, don't disrepesct uniformed officers, antifa is the devil, yada yada. Carry on losers...

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Awwww...is someone's ***** hurting? You steal elections and run over the rights of Americans to implement your socialist dreams expect push back. Put on your cardigan, turn on NPR, pour you a glass of wine and deal with it. Your party caused this comrade.

PackBacker07 said:

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Trump idiots have stormed the Capitol, and not a word from the King of Law and Order. Idiots, all of them.

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No one complained when the democrats have done the same thing for months now....

Fascists have stormed the Capitol, very conservative of Republicans.

They stormed federal buildings? Also, this board definitely cared.

PackBacker07 said:

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They stormed federal buildings? Also, this board definitely cared.

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lol....the democrats didn't care