cowboypack02 said:

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SexualChocolate said:

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Oh hell! The fix is in for the GA Senate race. Do you think Trump pumping up the rigged elections deterred some of his base to show up? I really don't care that much but I wonder what people think what influenced this important race.

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I think the nail in the coffin was the republican senate not carrying the 2000 dollar stimulus package, honesty.

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McConnell knew what he was doing.

SupplyChainPack said:

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cowboypack02 said:

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SexualChocolate said:

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Oh hell! The fix is in for the GA Senate race. Do you think Trump pumping up the rigged elections deterred some of his base to show up? I really don't care that much but I wonder what people think what influenced this important race.

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I think the nail in the coffin was the republican senate not carrying the 2000 dollar stimulus package, honesty.

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McConnell knew what he was doing.

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Perdue still has a chance. Decent one at that. If dems win both seats then Trump will be blamed for it all and he will be purged from the GOP forever. McConnell knew this and is playing the long game for 2022-24.

jadawson said:

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cowboypack02 said:

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SexualChocolate said:

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Oh hell! The fix is in for the GA Senate race. Do you think Trump pumping up the rigged elections deterred some of his base to show up? I really don't care that much but I wonder what people think what influenced this important race.

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I think the nail in the coffin was the republican senate not carrying the 2000 dollar stimulus package, honesty.

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I kind of agree with that. The Senate and Mitch McConnell being the chamber that prevented the bill passing (a bill that even Trump supported, or at least the $2k part), made this a very easy sell for dems. "vote blue if you want to get your $2k". People tend to not care about their philosophies of government handouts when they are hurting themselves, as so many are these days.

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This is worth repeating 1000 times. People are going to look out for themselves at the end of the day

cowboypack02 said:

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jadawson said:

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cowboypack02 said:

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SexualChocolate said:

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Oh hell! The fix is in for the GA Senate race. Do you think Trump pumping up the rigged elections deterred some of his base to show up? I really don't care that much but I wonder what people think what influenced this important race.

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I think the nail in the coffin was the republican senate not carrying the 2000 dollar stimulus package, honesty.

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I kind of agree with that. The Senate and Mitch McConnell being the chamber that prevented the bill passing (a bill that even Trump supported, or at least the $2k part), made this a very easy sell for dems. "vote blue if you want to get your $2k". People tend to not care about their philosophies of government handouts when they are hurting themselves, as so many are these days.

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This is worth repeating 1000 times. People are going to look out for themselves at the end of the day

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Isn't this what drives capitalism though, and makes the US economy relatively unique in the world?

Would we take risks starting businesses and innovating if there weren't significant potential upside for us personally?

There's nothing inherently wrong with looking out for yourself and your family first; those needs just have to be balanced with the needs and budgetary restraints of others in different circumstances, and our local, state and federal government.

This will expose the left and how far they want to swing this country. Imagine Bernie in charge of the budget committee..... it's going to be "defund the military, police, FBI, CIA" and give the money to social programs, free college, free health care, open borders, free college for illegal immigrants, free health care for illegal immigrants.... the GOP is going to hit a reset after Trump and watch the democrats tear themselves apart from the inside. You have left wing nut job senators that believe this country should be a socialist country with wealth redistribution. Wait and see what happens..... Manchin won't be alone. Durbin and a few other moderates will not let the loons take over but their ideas will be exposed for all to see. Gonna be an interesting two years.

I don't know, I think 2018 and then the Special Election have proven that the voters aren't as motivated when Trump's not on the ballot. Will be interesting to see their approach.

Civilized said:

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BBW12OG said:

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SupplyChainPack said:

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cowboypack02 said:

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SexualChocolate said:

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Oh hell! The fix is in for the GA Senate race. Do you think Trump pumping up the rigged elections deterred some of his base to show up? I really don't care that much but I wonder what people think what influenced this important race.

---

I think the nail in the coffin was the republican senate not carrying the 2000 dollar stimulus package, honesty.

---

McConnell knew what he was doing.

---

Perdue still has a chance. Decent one at that. If dems win both seats then Trump will be blamed for it all and he will be purged from the GOP forever. McConnell knew this and is playing the long game for 2022-24.

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That's actually the type of 4D chess that people accused Trump of playing early in his term, until they realized he couldn't sit still or hold a thought in his head for more than a few seconds, until the next squirrel ran into his view.

I agree that this could very well be intentional on McConnell's part and it would be smart. Trumpism is a race to the bottom for Republicans (and the country, by extension).

Repudiating Trumpism and bringing highly electable candidate(s) to the table in 2024 is a winning strategy for the right. I think there's a 90% chance Haley beats Kamala. Pence would probably be better than 50/50 odds, although I don't think he shares Haley's appeal with conservative and moderate women. I think Haley would prove to be massively popular with Trump-to-Biden voters that went Biden only because Trump is so distasteful.

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Civ, you are speaking mostly to the Trump style. Unfortunately, for your points and MAGA people are far more interested in the substance. MAGA people are fed up with the Oligarchies we live with everyday.

• Corporate Media Oligarchy
• Big Business Oligarchy
• Big Tech Oligarchy
• Establishment Politicians (Both Parties) <- Could be the biggest issue in our country

Trump, given the style issues you and others don't like, are overlooked by MAGA people because he calls the Oligarchy out everyday. That is the appeal that people on the board are just not seeing. You know, its going to be hard for another Republican to be elected, for President, in a long time.

I think what is missed is Trump has fundamentally changed the Republican Party. The Republican Party is no longer the Party of the Elites, that now goes to the Democrats, excluding the established Republicans. I can go on about this; however, it probably will go on deaf ears.

No need to call out Trump for this or that. That will only show that you are just not seeing it... This is not calling on you to agree with it and/or support it, just realize the country has a bunch of people that support Trumps actions taking in consideration the style issue you don't like.

ncsualum05 and I are speaking the reality of the Republican Party...

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I don't know, I think 2018 and then the Special Election have proven that the voters aren't as motivated when Trump's not on the ballot. Will be interesting to see their approach.

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There is going to be major infighting in both parties over the next couple of years. I expect Trump followers and traditional Republicans to schism, I just don't know which one will stay in the Republican party and which one will be driven out.
Democrats also have major fault lines, but usually being in the majority papers over all but the most extreme differences, so I don't expect a major fracture. But you're going to see the AOC/Bernie win of the party absolutely furious with moderates like Joe Manchin

Civilized said:

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BBW12OG said:

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SupplyChainPack said:

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cowboypack02 said:

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SexualChocolate said:

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Oh hell! The fix is in for the GA Senate race. Do you think Trump pumping up the rigged elections deterred some of his base to show up? I really don't care that much but I wonder what people think what influenced this important race.

---

I think the nail in the coffin was the republican senate not carrying the 2000 dollar stimulus package, honesty.

---

McConnell knew what he was doing.

---

Perdue still has a chance. Decent one at that. If dems win both seats then Trump will be blamed for it all and he will be purged from the GOP forever. McConnell knew this and is playing the long game for 2022-24.

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That's actually the type of 4D chess that people accused Trump of playing early in his term, until they realized he couldn't sit still or hold a thought in his head for more than a few seconds, until the next squirrel ran into his view.

I agree that this could very well be intentional on McConnell's part and it would be smart. Trumpism is a race to the bottom for Republicans (and the country, by extension).

Repudiating Trumpism and bringing highly electable candidate(s) to the table in 2024 is a winning strategy for the right. I think there's a 90% chance Haley beats Kamala. Pence would probably be better than 50/50 odds, although I don't think he shares Haley's appeal with conservative and moderate women. I think Haley would prove to be massively popular with Trump-to-Biden voters that went Biden only because Trump is so distasteful.

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Except that Trump has been profoundly successful in executing his policy. Even when he had to do most of it on his own. And it has been a great benefit to our country.

Pretending away the obvious election fraud for a moment - I guess the lesson is that people prefer that our nation be in decline, everyone is equally miserable, we quietly accept China as our master, dirty money is flowing like a river around Washington, anyone can just illegally hope over our borders whenever they want, and we are pumping billions of dollars at terrorist regimes?

Are candidates that reflect these values more electable in your view?

Civilized said:

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cowboypack02 said:

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jadawson said:

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cowboypack02 said:

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SexualChocolate said:

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Oh hell! The fix is in for the GA Senate race. Do you think Trump pumping up the rigged elections deterred some of his base to show up? I really don't care that much but I wonder what people think what influenced this important race.

---

I think the nail in the coffin was the republican senate not carrying the 2000 dollar stimulus package, honesty.

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I kind of agree with that. The Senate and Mitch McConnell being the chamber that prevented the bill passing (a bill that even Trump supported, or at least the $2k part), made this a very easy sell for dems. "vote blue if you want to get your $2k". People tend to not care about their philosophies of government handouts when they are hurting themselves, as so many are these days.

---

This is worth repeating 1000 times. People are going to look out for themselves at the end of the day

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Isn't this what drives capitalism though, and makes the US economy relatively unique in the world?

Would we take risks starting businesses and innovating if there weren't significant potential upside for us personally?

There's nothing inherently wrong with looking out for yourself and your family first; those needs just have to be balanced with the needs and budgetary restraints of others in different circumstances, and our local, state and federal government.

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I don't have an issue with Capitalism...I have an issue with the government controlling it by telling people that they can or can't open their business and then trying to buy off the population with a penance of a couple of thousand bucks

pineknollshoresking said:

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Civilized said:

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BBW12OG said:

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SupplyChainPack said:

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cowboypack02 said:

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SexualChocolate said:

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Oh hell! The fix is in for the GA Senate race. Do you think Trump pumping up the rigged elections deterred some of his base to show up? I really don't care that much but I wonder what people think what influenced this important race.

---

I think the nail in the coffin was the republican senate not carrying the 2000 dollar stimulus package, honesty.

---

McConnell knew what he was doing.

---

Perdue still has a chance. Decent one at that. If dems win both seats then Trump will be blamed for it all and he will be purged from the GOP forever. McConnell knew this and is playing the long game for 2022-24.

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That's actually the type of 4D chess that people accused Trump of playing early in his term, until they realized he couldn't sit still or hold a thought in his head for more than a few seconds, until the next squirrel ran into his view.

I agree that this could very well be intentional on McConnell's part and it would be smart. Trumpism is a race to the bottom for Republicans (and the country, by extension).

Repudiating Trumpism and bringing highly electable candidate(s) to the table in 2024 is a winning strategy for the right. I think there's a 90% chance Haley beats Kamala. Pence would probably be better than 50/50 odds, although I don't think he shares Haley's appeal with conservative and moderate women. I think Haley would prove to be massively popular with Trump-to-Biden voters that went Biden only because Trump is so distasteful.

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Civ, you are speaking mostly to the Trump style. Unfortunately, for your points and MAGA people are far more interested in the substance. MAGA people are fed up with the Oligarchies we live with everyday.

• Corporate Media Oligarchy
• Big Business Oligarchy
• Big Tech Oligarchy
• Establishment Politicians (Both Parties) <- Could be the biggest issue in our country

Trump, given the style issues you and others don't like, are overlooked by MAGA people because he calls the Oligarchy out everyday. That is the appeal that people on the board are just not seeing. You know, its going to be hard for another Republican to be elected, for President, in a long time.

I think what is missed is Trump has fundamentally changed the Republican Party. The Republican Party is no longer the Party of the Elites, that now goes to the Democrats, excluding the established Republicans. I can go on about this; however, it probably will go on deaf ears.

No need to call out Trump for this or that. That will only show that you are just not seeing it... This is not calling on you to agree with it and/or support it, just realize the country has a bunch of people support Trumps actions...

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This is correct pineknolls. The Trump movement is really a populist movement. It's pro worker and anti DC for the most part. DC establishment and government is largely detested by voters and it crosses party lines. Yes most of the Trump voters vote GOP down the line but it's not like they like a lot of those candidates. It's more of a lesser of 2 evils thing. When Trump is off the ticket you see what happens. The old GOP needs to die and fast b/c there's no future in it. The GOP needs to primary all the old establishment *****s and become a full populist pro worker America first party. It has to happen that way.. you can't form a 3rd party or an independent coalition.

pineknollshoresking said:

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ncsualum05 and I are speaking the reality of the Republican Party...

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I think that the republican party as a whole is DOA.

pineknollshoresking said:

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Civilized said:

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BBW12OG said:

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SupplyChainPack said:

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cowboypack02 said:

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SexualChocolate said:

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Oh hell! The fix is in for the GA Senate race. Do you think Trump pumping up the rigged elections deterred some of his base to show up? I really don't care that much but I wonder what people think what influenced this important race.

---

I think the nail in the coffin was the republican senate not carrying the 2000 dollar stimulus package, honesty.

---

McConnell knew what he was doing.

---

Perdue still has a chance. Decent one at that. If dems win both seats then Trump will be blamed for it all and he will be purged from the GOP forever. McConnell knew this and is playing the long game for 2022-24.

---

That's actually the type of 4D chess that people accused Trump of playing early in his term, until they realized he couldn't sit still or hold a thought in his head for more than a few seconds, until the next squirrel ran into his view.

I agree that this could very well be intentional on McConnell's part and it would be smart. Trumpism is a race to the bottom for Republicans (and the country, by extension).

Repudiating Trumpism and bringing highly electable candidate(s) to the table in 2024 is a winning strategy for the right. I think there's a 90% chance Haley beats Kamala. Pence would probably be better than 50/50 odds, although I don't think he shares Haley's appeal with conservative and moderate women. I think Haley would prove to be massively popular with Trump-to-Biden voters that went Biden only because Trump is so distasteful.

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Civ, you are speaking mostly to the Trump style. Unfortunately, for your points and MAGA people are far more interested in the substance. MAGA people are fed up with the Oligarchies we live with everyday.

• Corporate Media Oligarchy
• Big Business Oligarchy
• Big Tech Oligarchy
• Establishment Politicians (Both Parties) <- Could be the biggest issue in our country

Trump, given the style issues you and others don't like, are overlooked by MAGA people because he calls the Oligarchy out everyday. That is the appeal that people on the board are just not seeing. You know, its going to be hard for another Republican to be elected, for President, in a long time.

I think what is missed is Trump has fundamentally changed the Republican Party. The Republican Party is no longer the Party of the Elites, that now goes to the Democrats, excluding the established Republicans. I can go on about this; however, it probably will go on deaf ears.

No need to call out Trump for this or that. That will only show that you are just not seeing it... This is not calling on you to agree with it and/or support it, just realize the country has a bunch of people that support Trumps actions taking in consideration the style issue you don't like.

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You're only addressing Trump support. I don't doubt his appeal to a large subset of the Republican base.

The clear and full implication of 2020 is that Trump galvanizes support AND he galvanizes the opposition, evidently in even greater numbers.

Moderates/centrists heavily opposed Trump in 2020, and they're who swing elections.

What makes you think Trump and Trumpist candidates can regain the moderate/centrist vote in sufficient numbers to feel good about electability of Trumpist presidential and down-ballot candidates moving forward?

The GOP will circle the wagons. They got a shot of reality with the Loeffler loss last night. I'm not entirely upset with the loss(es). Purge Trump and the old regime. Let the new Nicki Haley faction of the party take over immediately. Schumer has already tweeted "buckle up"...that's foreboding that he intends on implementing the far left agenda....DC/Puerto Rico statehood, abolishing the filibuster, impeaching Kavanaugh and possibly ACB, medicare for all, open borders, free everything. Joe Manchin will determine if this country is headed for a Civil War or not.

What you are thinking of as a moderate would have been considered an extreme leftist prior to 0bama taking office - and it's still just as morally corrupt and fundamentally idiotic.

pineknollshoresking said:

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Civilized said:

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BBW12OG said:

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SupplyChainPack said:

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cowboypack02 said:

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SexualChocolate said:

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Oh hell! The fix is in for the GA Senate race. Do you think Trump pumping up the rigged elections deterred some of his base to show up? I really don't care that much but I wonder what people think what influenced this important race.

---

I think the nail in the coffin was the republican senate not carrying the 2000 dollar stimulus package, honesty.

---

McConnell knew what he was doing.

---

Perdue still has a chance. Decent one at that. If dems win both seats then Trump will be blamed for it all and he will be purged from the GOP forever. McConnell knew this and is playing the long game for 2022-24.

---

That's actually the type of 4D chess that people accused Trump of playing early in his term, until they realized he couldn't sit still or hold a thought in his head for more than a few seconds, until the next squirrel ran into his view.

I agree that this could very well be intentional on McConnell's part and it would be smart. Trumpism is a race to the bottom for Republicans (and the country, by extension).

Repudiating Trumpism and bringing highly electable candidate(s) to the table in 2024 is a winning strategy for the right. I think there's a 90% chance Haley beats Kamala. Pence would probably be better than 50/50 odds, although I don't think he shares Haley's appeal with conservative and moderate women. I think Haley would prove to be massively popular with Trump-to-Biden voters that went Biden only because Trump is so distasteful.

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Civ, you are speaking mostly to the Trump style. Unfortunately, for your points and MAGA people are far more interested in the substance. MAGA people are fed up with the Oligarchies we live with everyday.

• Corporate Media Oligarchy
• Big Business Oligarchy
• Big Tech Oligarchy
• Establishment Politicians (Both Parties) <- Could be the biggest issue in our country

Trump, given the style issues you and others don't like, are overlooked by MAGA people because he calls the Oligarchy out everyday. That is the appeal that people on the board are just not seeing. You know, its going to be hard for another Republican to be elected, for President, in a long time.

I think what is missed is Trump has fundamentally changed the Republican Party. The Republican Party is no longer the Party of the Elites, that now goes to the Democrats, excluding the established Republicans. I can go on about this; however, it probably will go on deaf ears.

No need to call out Trump for this or that. That will only show that you are just not seeing it... This is not calling on you to agree with it and/or support it, just realize the country has a bunch of people that support Trumps actions taking in consideration the style issue you don't like.

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I don't think Trump changed the Republican Party. I think Trump is just an expression of the real base of the Republican Party.

Civilized said:

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pineknollshoresking said:

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Civilized said:

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BBW12OG said:

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SupplyChainPack said:

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cowboypack02 said:

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SexualChocolate said:

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Oh hell! The fix is in for the GA Senate race. Do you think Trump pumping up the rigged elections deterred some of his base to show up? I really don't care that much but I wonder what people think what influenced this important race.

---

I think the nail in the coffin was the republican senate not carrying the 2000 dollar stimulus package, honesty.

---

McConnell knew what he was doing.

---

Perdue still has a chance. Decent one at that. If dems win both seats then Trump will be blamed for it all and he will be purged from the GOP forever. McConnell knew this and is playing the long game for 2022-24.

---

That's actually the type of 4D chess that people accused Trump of playing early in his term, until they realized he couldn't sit still or hold a thought in his head for more than a few seconds, until the next squirrel ran into his view.

I agree that this could very well be intentional on McConnell's part and it would be smart. Trumpism is a race to the bottom for Republicans (and the country, by extension).

Repudiating Trumpism and bringing highly electable candidate(s) to the table in 2024 is a winning strategy for the right. I think there's a 90% chance Haley beats Kamala. Pence would probably be better than 50/50 odds, although I don't think he shares Haley's appeal with conservative and moderate women. I think Haley would prove to be massively popular with Trump-to-Biden voters that went Biden only because Trump is so distasteful.

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Civ, you are speaking mostly to the Trump style. Unfortunately, for your points and MAGA people are far more interested in the substance. MAGA people are fed up with the Oligarchies we live with everyday.

• Corporate Media Oligarchy
• Big Business Oligarchy
• Big Tech Oligarchy
• Establishment Politicians (Both Parties) <- Could be the biggest issue in our country

Trump, given the style issues you and others don't like, are overlooked by MAGA people because he calls the Oligarchy out everyday. That is the appeal that people on the board are just not seeing. You know, its going to be hard for another Republican to be elected, for President, in a long time.

I think what is missed is Trump has fundamentally changed the Republican Party. The Republican Party is no longer the Party of the Elites, that now goes to the Democrats, excluding the established Republicans. I can go on about this; however, it probably will go on deaf ears.

No need to call out Trump for this or that. That will only show that you are just not seeing it... This is not calling on you to agree with it and/or support it, just realize the country has a bunch of people that support Trumps actions taking in consideration the style issue you don't like.

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You're only addressing Trump support. I don't doubt his appeal to a large subset of the Republican base.

The clear and full implication of 2020 is that Trump galvanizes support AND he galvanizes the opposition, evidently in even greater numbers.

Moderates/centrists heavily opposed Trump in 2020, and they're who swing elections.

What makes you think Trump and Trumpist candidates can regain the moderate/centrist vote in sufficient numbers to feel good about electability of Trumpist presidential and down-ballot candidates moving forward?

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I don't... and the reason I don't are:

Corporate Media Oligarchy

Big Business Oligarchy

Big Tech Oligarchy

Establishment Politicians (Both Parties) <- Could be the biggest issue in our country

The power of these is anti-American at its best...

ncsualum05 said:

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pineknollshoresking said:

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Civilized said:

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BBW12OG said:

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SupplyChainPack said:

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cowboypack02 said:

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SexualChocolate said:

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Oh hell! The fix is in for the GA Senate race. Do you think Trump pumping up the rigged elections deterred some of his base to show up? I really don't care that much but I wonder what people think what influenced this important race.

---

I think the nail in the coffin was the republican senate not carrying the 2000 dollar stimulus package, honesty.

---

McConnell knew what he was doing.

---

Perdue still has a chance. Decent one at that. If dems win both seats then Trump will be blamed for it all and he will be purged from the GOP forever. McConnell knew this and is playing the long game for 2022-24.

---

That's actually the type of 4D chess that people accused Trump of playing early in his term, until they realized he couldn't sit still or hold a thought in his head for more than a few seconds, until the next squirrel ran into his view.

I agree that this could very well be intentional on McConnell's part and it would be smart. Trumpism is a race to the bottom for Republicans (and the country, by extension).

Repudiating Trumpism and bringing highly electable candidate(s) to the table in 2024 is a winning strategy for the right. I think there's a 90% chance Haley beats Kamala. Pence would probably be better than 50/50 odds, although I don't think he shares Haley's appeal with conservative and moderate women. I think Haley would prove to be massively popular with Trump-to-Biden voters that went Biden only because Trump is so distasteful.

---

Civ, you are speaking mostly to the Trump style. Unfortunately, for your points and MAGA people are far more interested in the substance. MAGA people are fed up with the Oligarchies we live with everyday.

• Corporate Media Oligarchy
• Big Business Oligarchy
• Big Tech Oligarchy
• Establishment Politicians (Both Parties) <- Could be the biggest issue in our country

Trump, given the style issues you and others don't like, are overlooked by MAGA people because he calls the Oligarchy out everyday. That is the appeal that people on the board are just not seeing. You know, its going to be hard for another Republican to be elected, for President, in a long time.

I think what is missed is Trump has fundamentally changed the Republican Party. The Republican Party is no longer the Party of the Elites, that now goes to the Democrats, excluding the established Republicans. I can go on about this; however, it probably will go on deaf ears.

No need to call out Trump for this or that. That will only show that you are just not seeing it... This is not calling on you to agree with it and/or support it, just realize the country has a bunch of people support Trumps actions...

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This is correct pineknolls. The Trump movement is really a populist movement. It's pro worker and anti DC for the most part. DC establishment and government is largely detested by voters and it crosses party lines. Yes most of the Trump voters vote GOP down the line but it's not like they like a lot of those candidates. It's more of a lesser of 2 evils thing. When Trump is off the ticket you see what happens. The old GOP needs to die and fast b/c there's no future in it. The GOP needs to primary all the old establishment *****s and become a full populist pro worker America first party. It has to happen that way.. you can't form a 3rd party or an independent coalition.

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How is Trump/Trumpism a populist movement? Saying things that the base like isn't populism, its pandering.

What pro worker legislation did the push? What policies are populist?

Ground_Chuck said:

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pineknollshoresking said:

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Civilized said:

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BBW12OG said:

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SupplyChainPack said:

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cowboypack02 said:

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SexualChocolate said:

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Oh hell! The fix is in for the GA Senate race. Do you think Trump pumping up the rigged elections deterred some of his base to show up? I really don't care that much but I wonder what people think what influenced this important race.

---

I think the nail in the coffin was the republican senate not carrying the 2000 dollar stimulus package, honesty.

---

McConnell knew what he was doing.

---

Perdue still has a chance. Decent one at that. If dems win both seats then Trump will be blamed for it all and he will be purged from the GOP forever. McConnell knew this and is playing the long game for 2022-24.

---

That's actually the type of 4D chess that people accused Trump of playing early in his term, until they realized he couldn't sit still or hold a thought in his head for more than a few seconds, until the next squirrel ran into his view.

I agree that this could very well be intentional on McConnell's part and it would be smart. Trumpism is a race to the bottom for Republicans (and the country, by extension).

Repudiating Trumpism and bringing highly electable candidate(s) to the table in 2024 is a winning strategy for the right. I think there's a 90% chance Haley beats Kamala. Pence would probably be better than 50/50 odds, although I don't think he shares Haley's appeal with conservative and moderate women. I think Haley would prove to be massively popular with Trump-to-Biden voters that went Biden only because Trump is so distasteful.

---

Civ, you are speaking mostly to the Trump style. Unfortunately, for your points and MAGA people are far more interested in the substance. MAGA people are fed up with the Oligarchies we live with everyday.

• Corporate Media Oligarchy
• Big Business Oligarchy
• Big Tech Oligarchy
• Establishment Politicians (Both Parties) <- Could be the biggest issue in our country

Trump, given the style issues you and others don't like, are overlooked by MAGA people because he calls the Oligarchy out everyday. That is the appeal that people on the board are just not seeing. You know, its going to be hard for another Republican to be elected, for President, in a long time.

I think what is missed is Trump has fundamentally changed the Republican Party. The Republican Party is no longer the Party of the Elites, that now goes to the Democrats, excluding the established Republicans. I can go on about this; however, it probably will go on deaf ears.

No need to call out Trump for this or that. That will only show that you are just not seeing it... This is not calling on you to agree with it and/or support it, just realize the country has a bunch of people that support Trumps actions taking in consideration the style issue you don't like.

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I don't think Trump changed the Republican Party. I think Trump is just an expression of the real base of the Republican Party.

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fair enough.. I'll restate it: Trump brought out the real Republican Party

BBW12OG said:

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The GOP will circle the wagons. They got a shot of reality with the Loeffler loss last night. I'm not entirely upset with the loss(es). Purge Trump and the old regime. Let the new Nicki Haley faction of the party take over immediately. Schumer has already tweeted "buckle up"...that's foreboding that he intends on implementing the far left agenda....DC/Puerto Rico statehood, abolishing the filibuster, impeaching Kavanaugh and possibly ACB, medicare for all, open borders, free everything. Joe Manchin will determine if this country is headed for a Civil War or not.

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You're crazy if you think that purging Trump is the way forward for the GOP. You really think the old way is going to win elections in the future? Hell if they do all those things you mentioned than we will never win another election regardless. Trump and his family are not going anywhere. The populist movement isn't going anywhere. We are not going back to the days of country club Republicans like Romney leading the party. The communists may win regardless but your best chance to not slip into an eternal communist abyss is an America first agenda.

ncsualum05 said:

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BBW12OG said:

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The GOP will circle the wagons. They got a shot of reality with the Loeffler loss last night. I'm not entirely upset with the loss(es). Purge Trump and the old regime. Let the new Nicki Haley faction of the party take over immediately. Schumer has already tweeted "buckle up"...that's foreboding that he intends on implementing the far left agenda....DC/Puerto Rico statehood, abolishing the filibuster, impeaching Kavanaugh and possibly ACB, medicare for all, open borders, free everything. Joe Manchin will determine if this country is headed for a Civil War or not.

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You're crazy if you think that purging Trump is the way forward for the GOP. You really think the old way is going to win elections in the future? Hell if they do all those things you mentioned than we will never win another election regardless. Trump and his family are not going anywhere. The populist movement isn't going anywhere. We are not going back to the days of country club Republicans like Romney leading the party. The communists may win regardless but your best chance to not slip into an eternal communist abyss is an America first agenda.

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I think he was being sarcastic to be honest...

Ground_Chuck said:

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ncsualum05 said:

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pineknollshoresking said:

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Civilized said:

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BBW12OG said:

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SupplyChainPack said:

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cowboypack02 said:

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SexualChocolate said:

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Oh hell! The fix is in for the GA Senate race. Do you think Trump pumping up the rigged elections deterred some of his base to show up? I really don't care that much but I wonder what people think what influenced this important race.

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I think the nail in the coffin was the republican senate not carrying the 2000 dollar stimulus package, honesty.

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McConnell knew what he was doing.

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Perdue still has a chance. Decent one at that. If dems win both seats then Trump will be blamed for it all and he will be purged from the GOP forever. McConnell knew this and is playing the long game for 2022-24.

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That's actually the type of 4D chess that people accused Trump of playing early in his term, until they realized he couldn't sit still or hold a thought in his head for more than a few seconds, until the next squirrel ran into his view.

I agree that this could very well be intentional on McConnell's part and it would be smart. Trumpism is a race to the bottom for Republicans (and the country, by extension).

Repudiating Trumpism and bringing highly electable candidate(s) to the table in 2024 is a winning strategy for the right. I think there's a 90% chance Haley beats Kamala. Pence would probably be better than 50/50 odds, although I don't think he shares Haley's appeal with conservative and moderate women. I think Haley would prove to be massively popular with Trump-to-Biden voters that went Biden only because Trump is so distasteful.

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Civ, you are speaking mostly to the Trump style. Unfortunately, for your points and MAGA people are far more interested in the substance. MAGA people are fed up with the Oligarchies we live with everyday.

• Corporate Media Oligarchy
• Big Business Oligarchy
• Big Tech Oligarchy
• Establishment Politicians (Both Parties) <- Could be the biggest issue in our country

Trump, given the style issues you and others don't like, are overlooked by MAGA people because he calls the Oligarchy out everyday. That is the appeal that people on the board are just not seeing. You know, its going to be hard for another Republican to be elected, for President, in a long time.

I think what is missed is Trump has fundamentally changed the Republican Party. The Republican Party is no longer the Party of the Elites, that now goes to the Democrats, excluding the established Republicans. I can go on about this; however, it probably will go on deaf ears.

No need to call out Trump for this or that. That will only show that you are just not seeing it... This is not calling on you to agree with it and/or support it, just realize the country has a bunch of people support Trumps actions...

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This is correct pineknolls. The Trump movement is really a populist movement. It's pro worker and anti DC for the most part. DC establishment and government is largely detested by voters and it crosses party lines. Yes most of the Trump voters vote GOP down the line but it's not like they like a lot of those candidates. It's more of a lesser of 2 evils thing. When Trump is off the ticket you see what happens. The old GOP needs to die and fast b/c there's no future in it. The GOP needs to primary all the old establishment *****s and become a full populist pro worker America first party. It has to happen that way.. you can't form a 3rd party or an independent coalition.

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How is Trump/Trumpism a populist movement? Saying things that the base like isn't populism, its pandering.

What pro worker legislation did the push? What policies are populist?

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Prior to this pandemic, most people were seeing the best economy they've seen. How did that happen?

• Tax Plan - That is legislation
• Regulation relief - No legislation - that is done by changes in federal departmental leadership
• Tarifs on China - No legislation - Done by the President, what does that mean? a shift of manufacturing back to the US. This takes a long time. Biden will reverse this.

Ground_Chuck said:

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ncsualum05 said:

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pineknollshoresking said:

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Civilized said:

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BBW12OG said:

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SupplyChainPack said:

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cowboypack02 said:

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SexualChocolate said:

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Oh hell! The fix is in for the GA Senate race. Do you think Trump pumping up the rigged elections deterred some of his base to show up? I really don't care that much but I wonder what people think what influenced this important race.

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I think the nail in the coffin was the republican senate not carrying the 2000 dollar stimulus package, honesty.

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McConnell knew what he was doing.

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Perdue still has a chance. Decent one at that. If dems win both seats then Trump will be blamed for it all and he will be purged from the GOP forever. McConnell knew this and is playing the long game for 2022-24.

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That's actually the type of 4D chess that people accused Trump of playing early in his term, until they realized he couldn't sit still or hold a thought in his head for more than a few seconds, until the next squirrel ran into his view.

I agree that this could very well be intentional on McConnell's part and it would be smart. Trumpism is a race to the bottom for Republicans (and the country, by extension).

Repudiating Trumpism and bringing highly electable candidate(s) to the table in 2024 is a winning strategy for the right. I think there's a 90% chance Haley beats Kamala. Pence would probably be better than 50/50 odds, although I don't think he shares Haley's appeal with conservative and moderate women. I think Haley would prove to be massively popular with Trump-to-Biden voters that went Biden only because Trump is so distasteful.

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Civ, you are speaking mostly to the Trump style. Unfortunately, for your points and MAGA people are far more interested in the substance. MAGA people are fed up with the Oligarchies we live with everyday.

• Corporate Media Oligarchy
• Big Business Oligarchy
• Big Tech Oligarchy
• Establishment Politicians (Both Parties) <- Could be the biggest issue in our country

Trump, given the style issues you and others don't like, are overlooked by MAGA people because he calls the Oligarchy out everyday. That is the appeal that people on the board are just not seeing. You know, its going to be hard for another Republican to be elected, for President, in a long time.

I think what is missed is Trump has fundamentally changed the Republican Party. The Republican Party is no longer the Party of the Elites, that now goes to the Democrats, excluding the established Republicans. I can go on about this; however, it probably will go on deaf ears.

No need to call out Trump for this or that. That will only show that you are just not seeing it... This is not calling on you to agree with it and/or support it, just realize the country has a bunch of people support Trumps actions...

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This is correct pineknolls. The Trump movement is really a populist movement. It's pro worker and anti DC for the most part. DC establishment and government is largely detested by voters and it crosses party lines. Yes most of the Trump voters vote GOP down the line but it's not like they like a lot of those candidates. It's more of a lesser of 2 evils thing. When Trump is off the ticket you see what happens. The old GOP needs to die and fast b/c there's no future in it. The GOP needs to primary all the old establishment *****s and become a full populist pro worker America first party. It has to happen that way.. you can't form a 3rd party or an independent coalition.

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How is Trump/Trumpism a populist movement? Saying things that the base like isn't populism, its pandering.

What pro worker legislation did the push? What policies are populist?

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Populism - a political approach that strives to appeal to ordinary people who feel that their concerns are disregarded by established elite groups.

You don't need to push a particular set of policies to be a "populist." It's more about how you try to sell your agenda, whatever it is

IseWolf22 said:

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Ground_Chuck said:

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ncsualum05 said:

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pineknollshoresking said:

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Civilized said:

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BBW12OG said:

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SupplyChainPack said:

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cowboypack02 said:

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SexualChocolate said:

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Oh hell! The fix is in for the GA Senate race. Do you think Trump pumping up the rigged elections deterred some of his base to show up? I really don't care that much but I wonder what people think what influenced this important race.

---

I think the nail in the coffin was the republican senate not carrying the 2000 dollar stimulus package, honesty.

---

McConnell knew what he was doing.

---

Perdue still has a chance. Decent one at that. If dems win both seats then Trump will be blamed for it all and he will be purged from the GOP forever. McConnell knew this and is playing the long game for 2022-24.

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That's actually the type of 4D chess that people accused Trump of playing early in his term, until they realized he couldn't sit still or hold a thought in his head for more than a few seconds, until the next squirrel ran into his view.

I agree that this could very well be intentional on McConnell's part and it would be smart. Trumpism is a race to the bottom for Republicans (and the country, by extension).

Repudiating Trumpism and bringing highly electable candidate(s) to the table in 2024 is a winning strategy for the right. I think there's a 90% chance Haley beats Kamala. Pence would probably be better than 50/50 odds, although I don't think he shares Haley's appeal with conservative and moderate women. I think Haley would prove to be massively popular with Trump-to-Biden voters that went Biden only because Trump is so distasteful.

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Civ, you are speaking mostly to the Trump style. Unfortunately, for your points and MAGA people are far more interested in the substance. MAGA people are fed up with the Oligarchies we live with everyday.

• Corporate Media Oligarchy
• Big Business Oligarchy
• Big Tech Oligarchy
• Establishment Politicians (Both Parties) <- Could be the biggest issue in our country

Trump, given the style issues you and others don't like, are overlooked by MAGA people because he calls the Oligarchy out everyday. That is the appeal that people on the board are just not seeing. You know, its going to be hard for another Republican to be elected, for President, in a long time.

I think what is missed is Trump has fundamentally changed the Republican Party. The Republican Party is no longer the Party of the Elites, that now goes to the Democrats, excluding the established Republicans. I can go on about this; however, it probably will go on deaf ears.

No need to call out Trump for this or that. That will only show that you are just not seeing it... This is not calling on you to agree with it and/or support it, just realize the country has a bunch of people support Trumps actions...

---

This is correct pineknolls. The Trump movement is really a populist movement. It's pro worker and anti DC for the most part. DC establishment and government is largely detested by voters and it crosses party lines. Yes most of the Trump voters vote GOP down the line but it's not like they like a lot of those candidates. It's more of a lesser of 2 evils thing. When Trump is off the ticket you see what happens. The old GOP needs to die and fast b/c there's no future in it. The GOP needs to primary all the old establishment *****s and become a full populist pro worker America first party. It has to happen that way.. you can't form a 3rd party or an independent coalition.

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How is Trump/Trumpism a populist movement? Saying things that the base like isn't populism, its pandering.

What pro worker legislation did the push? What policies are populist?

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Populism - a political approach that strives to appeal to ordinary people who feel that their concerns are disregarded by established elite groups.

You don't need to push a particular set of policies to be a "populist." It's more about how you try to sell your agenda, whatever it is

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Trump did!

Listen folks, Trump did certain things that I totally disagree with (Stimulus packages); however, you have to take the good with the bad.

BTW, I consider myself to be an ordinary person even though I didn't receive a stimulus check!

pineknollshoresking said:

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IseWolf22 said:

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Ground_Chuck said:

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ncsualum05 said:

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pineknollshoresking said:

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Civilized said:

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BBW12OG said:

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SupplyChainPack said:

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cowboypack02 said:

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SexualChocolate said:

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Oh hell! The fix is in for the GA Senate race. Do you think Trump pumping up the rigged elections deterred some of his base to show up? I really don't care that much but I wonder what people think what influenced this important race.

---

I think the nail in the coffin was the republican senate not carrying the 2000 dollar stimulus package, honesty.

---

McConnell knew what he was doing.

---

Perdue still has a chance. Decent one at that. If dems win both seats then Trump will be blamed for it all and he will be purged from the GOP forever. McConnell knew this and is playing the long game for 2022-24.

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That's actually the type of 4D chess that people accused Trump of playing early in his term, until they realized he couldn't sit still or hold a thought in his head for more than a few seconds, until the next squirrel ran into his view.

I agree that this could very well be intentional on McConnell's part and it would be smart. Trumpism is a race to the bottom for Republicans (and the country, by extension).

Repudiating Trumpism and bringing highly electable candidate(s) to the table in 2024 is a winning strategy for the right. I think there's a 90% chance Haley beats Kamala. Pence would probably be better than 50/50 odds, although I don't think he shares Haley's appeal with conservative and moderate women. I think Haley would prove to be massively popular with Trump-to-Biden voters that went Biden only because Trump is so distasteful.

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Civ, you are speaking mostly to the Trump style. Unfortunately, for your points and MAGA people are far more interested in the substance. MAGA people are fed up with the Oligarchies we live with everyday.

• Corporate Media Oligarchy
• Big Business Oligarchy
• Big Tech Oligarchy
• Establishment Politicians (Both Parties) <- Could be the biggest issue in our country

Trump, given the style issues you and others don't like, are overlooked by MAGA people because he calls the Oligarchy out everyday. That is the appeal that people on the board are just not seeing. You know, its going to be hard for another Republican to be elected, for President, in a long time.

I think what is missed is Trump has fundamentally changed the Republican Party. The Republican Party is no longer the Party of the Elites, that now goes to the Democrats, excluding the established Republicans. I can go on about this; however, it probably will go on deaf ears.

No need to call out Trump for this or that. That will only show that you are just not seeing it... This is not calling on you to agree with it and/or support it, just realize the country has a bunch of people support Trumps actions...

---

This is correct pineknolls. The Trump movement is really a populist movement. It's pro worker and anti DC for the most part. DC establishment and government is largely detested by voters and it crosses party lines. Yes most of the Trump voters vote GOP down the line but it's not like they like a lot of those candidates. It's more of a lesser of 2 evils thing. When Trump is off the ticket you see what happens. The old GOP needs to die and fast b/c there's no future in it. The GOP needs to primary all the old establishment *****s and become a full populist pro worker America first party. It has to happen that way.. you can't form a 3rd party or an independent coalition.

---

How is Trump/Trumpism a populist movement? Saying things that the base like isn't populism, its pandering.

What pro worker legislation did the push? What policies are populist?

---

Populism - a political approach that strives to appeal to ordinary people who feel that their concerns are disregarded by established elite groups.

You don't need to push a particular set of policies to be a "populist." It's more about how you try to sell your agenda, whatever it is

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Trump did!

Listen folks, Trump did certain things that I totally disagree with (Stimulus packages); however, you have to take the good with the bad.

BTW, I consider myself to be an ordinary person even though I didn't receive a stimulus check!

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lol...my man is backdoor telling everyone that he makes too much money to get a stimulus check....I can appreciate that

In all seriousness though I am at the point of thinking that the entire purpose of government at this point is to take money from all of us who make it and either enrich politicians or give it away to someone else for votes.

Ground_Chuck said:

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ncsualum05 said:

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pineknollshoresking said:

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Civilized said:

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BBW12OG said:

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SupplyChainPack said:

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cowboypack02 said:

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SexualChocolate said:

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Oh hell! The fix is in for the GA Senate race. Do you think Trump pumping up the rigged elections deterred some of his base to show up? I really don't care that much but I wonder what people think what influenced this important race.

---

I think the nail in the coffin was the republican senate not carrying the 2000 dollar stimulus package, honesty.

---

McConnell knew what he was doing.

---

Perdue still has a chance. Decent one at that. If dems win both seats then Trump will be blamed for it all and he will be purged from the GOP forever. McConnell knew this and is playing the long game for 2022-24.

---

That's actually the type of 4D chess that people accused Trump of playing early in his term, until they realized he couldn't sit still or hold a thought in his head for more than a few seconds, until the next squirrel ran into his view.

I agree that this could very well be intentional on McConnell's part and it would be smart. Trumpism is a race to the bottom for Republicans (and the country, by extension).

Repudiating Trumpism and bringing highly electable candidate(s) to the table in 2024 is a winning strategy for the right. I think there's a 90% chance Haley beats Kamala. Pence would probably be better than 50/50 odds, although I don't think he shares Haley's appeal with conservative and moderate women. I think Haley would prove to be massively popular with Trump-to-Biden voters that went Biden only because Trump is so distasteful.

---

Civ, you are speaking mostly to the Trump style. Unfortunately, for your points and MAGA people are far more interested in the substance. MAGA people are fed up with the Oligarchies we live with everyday.

• Corporate Media Oligarchy
• Big Business Oligarchy
• Big Tech Oligarchy
• Establishment Politicians (Both Parties) <- Could be the biggest issue in our country

Trump, given the style issues you and others don't like, are overlooked by MAGA people because he calls the Oligarchy out everyday. That is the appeal that people on the board are just not seeing. You know, its going to be hard for another Republican to be elected, for President, in a long time.

I think what is missed is Trump has fundamentally changed the Republican Party. The Republican Party is no longer the Party of the Elites, that now goes to the Democrats, excluding the established Republicans. I can go on about this; however, it probably will go on deaf ears.

No need to call out Trump for this or that. That will only show that you are just not seeing it... This is not calling on you to agree with it and/or support it, just realize the country has a bunch of people support Trumps actions...

---

This is correct pineknolls. The Trump movement is really a populist movement. It's pro worker and anti DC for the most part. DC establishment and government is largely detested by voters and it crosses party lines. Yes most of the Trump voters vote GOP down the line but it's not like they like a lot of those candidates. It's more of a lesser of 2 evils thing. When Trump is off the ticket you see what happens. The old GOP needs to die and fast b/c there's no future in it. The GOP needs to primary all the old establishment *****s and become a full populist pro worker America first party. It has to happen that way.. you can't form a 3rd party or an independent coalition.

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How is Trump/Trumpism a populist movement? Saying things that the base like isn't populism, its pandering.

What pro worker legislation did the push? What policies are populist?

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I'll tell you...

1. The globalist agenda included us paying more and propping up world organizations that are doing nothing for us and sucking up to our enemies. Trump was the first to call it out and start to change that with forcing other countries to pay their share.

2. We were getting our lunch eaten in trade deals. Trump was the first in decades to call this out and pushed to get better trade deals for the US. The old trade deals had been responsible for entire sectors of our workers losing jobs. We weren't making things anymore.... Trump was trying to reverse that.

3. This is also part of trade but overall the China threat. Trump was the only one to call out the China threat. China is trying to dominate the world and us. We are more than happy to oblige except for Trump came along and started to reverse that trend. MANY in our government are complicit with China and hate Trump as a result.

4. Illegal immigration has been out of control for decades and no one has wanted to address it. In fact it's been encouraged. Trump calls it out when no one else did. Trump commits to building a wall and fortifying our border and enforcing immigration laws that no one was paying attention to anymore. This has an impact on workers in our country as well as national security.

5. Foreign proxy wars. Trump didn't start a new one and worked to try to end what was going on. Instead of regime changing and fighting Trump has worked out historic peace deals in the middle east. He's drawn down troops. The establishment war mongers can't stand his foreign policy. He's crippling and isolating Iran.. .the real enemy in the region. And he curbed NK's aggression through unconventional and sometimes odd diplomacy. He also took the terrorist group ISIS which had been a problem for years and gained so much power and took them completely out. When is the last time we had a foreign terror attack in the US?

6. Energy independence. We got it... amazing. Gas has been stable for years now. We no longer rely on anyone for oil.

7. Right to try policy and favored nations clause to lower drug prescription prices.

NONE of these points would've been addressed by the Republican party before or without Trump's MAGA movement. The GOP was complicit in all these issues. I don't know how you can't see how different it is. But it doesn't matter now I guess b/c all of it will be reversed.

Best advice I can give to everyone is to buy stock in weed companies and mobile sports betting apps... preferably Penn Gaming. That's the one owned by Dave Portnoy and Barstool Sports. You may as well get ready for $4 - $5 a gallon gas again. It's coming and coming quickly. Open borders and the abolishing of ICE will happen in the first two weeks. What is about to happen to this country is nothing short of a Soros led socialist takeover. Manchin will be bought off to an extent. He isn't up for re-election in 2022 so he is safe for the next 4 years. He can retire after that either a hero or the man that destroyed America.

BBW12OG said:

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Best advice I can give to everyone is to buy stock in weed companies and mobile sports betting apps... preferably Penn Gaming. That's the one owned by Dave Portnoy and Barstool Sports. You may as well get ready for $4 - $5 a gallon gas again. It's coming and coming quickly. Open borders and the abolishing of ICE will happen in the first two weeks. What is about to happen to this country is nothing short of a Soros led socialist takeover. Manchin will be bought off to an extent. He isn't up for re-election in 2022 so he is safe for the next 4 years. He can retire after that either a hero or the man that destroyed America.

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If Trump really decided to make himself felt in politics and across the country for the next couple of years I think the stuff in your post about is gonna be the least of your worries in 4 years

cowboypack02 said:

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pineknollshoresking said:

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IseWolf22 said:

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Ground_Chuck said:

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ncsualum05 said:

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pineknollshoresking said:

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Civilized said:

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BBW12OG said:

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SupplyChainPack said:

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cowboypack02 said:

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SexualChocolate said:

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Oh hell! The fix is in for the GA Senate race. Do you think Trump pumping up the rigged elections deterred some of his base to show up? I really don't care that much but I wonder what people think what influenced this important race.

---

I think the nail in the coffin was the republican senate not carrying the 2000 dollar stimulus package, honesty.

---

McConnell knew what he was doing.

---

Perdue still has a chance. Decent one at that. If dems win both seats then Trump will be blamed for it all and he will be purged from the GOP forever. McConnell knew this and is playing the long game for 2022-24.

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That's actually the type of 4D chess that people accused Trump of playing early in his term, until they realized he couldn't sit still or hold a thought in his head for more than a few seconds, until the next squirrel ran into his view.

I agree that this could very well be intentional on McConnell's part and it would be smart. Trumpism is a race to the bottom for Republicans (and the country, by extension).

Repudiating Trumpism and bringing highly electable candidate(s) to the table in 2024 is a winning strategy for the right. I think there's a 90% chance Haley beats Kamala. Pence would probably be better than 50/50 odds, although I don't think he shares Haley's appeal with conservative and moderate women. I think Haley would prove to be massively popular with Trump-to-Biden voters that went Biden only because Trump is so distasteful.

---

Civ, you are speaking mostly to the Trump style. Unfortunately, for your points and MAGA people are far more interested in the substance. MAGA people are fed up with the Oligarchies we live with everyday.

• Corporate Media Oligarchy
• Big Business Oligarchy
• Big Tech Oligarchy
• Establishment Politicians (Both Parties) <- Could be the biggest issue in our country

Trump, given the style issues you and others don't like, are overlooked by MAGA people because he calls the Oligarchy out everyday. That is the appeal that people on the board are just not seeing. You know, its going to be hard for another Republican to be elected, for President, in a long time.

I think what is missed is Trump has fundamentally changed the Republican Party. The Republican Party is no longer the Party of the Elites, that now goes to the Democrats, excluding the established Republicans. I can go on about this; however, it probably will go on deaf ears.

No need to call out Trump for this or that. That will only show that you are just not seeing it... This is not calling on you to agree with it and/or support it, just realize the country has a bunch of people support Trumps actions...

---

This is correct pineknolls. The Trump movement is really a populist movement. It's pro worker and anti DC for the most part. DC establishment and government is largely detested by voters and it crosses party lines. Yes most of the Trump voters vote GOP down the line but it's not like they like a lot of those candidates. It's more of a lesser of 2 evils thing. When Trump is off the ticket you see what happens. The old GOP needs to die and fast b/c there's no future in it. The GOP needs to primary all the old establishment *****s and become a full populist pro worker America first party. It has to happen that way.. you can't form a 3rd party or an independent coalition.

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How is Trump/Trumpism a populist movement? Saying things that the base like isn't populism, its pandering.

What pro worker legislation did the push? What policies are populist?

---

Populism - a political approach that strives to appeal to ordinary people who feel that their concerns are disregarded by established elite groups.

You don't need to push a particular set of policies to be a "populist." It's more about how you try to sell your agenda, whatever it is

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Trump did!

Listen folks, Trump did certain things that I totally disagree with (Stimulus packages); however, you have to take the good with the bad.

BTW, I consider myself to be an ordinary person even though I didn't receive a stimulus check!

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lol...my man is backdoor telling everyone that he makes too much money to get a stimulus check....I can appreciate that

In all seriousness though I am at the point of thinking that the entire purpose of government at this point is to take money from all of us who make it and either enrich politicians or give it away to someone else for votes.

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yea, I guess I did, didn't I? Right now, I'm just so frustrated at what I see... We are really living in a **** Show!!

pineknollshoresking said:

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cowboypack02 said:

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pineknollshoresking said:

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IseWolf22 said:

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Ground_Chuck said:

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ncsualum05 said:

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pineknollshoresking said:

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Civilized said:

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BBW12OG said:

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SupplyChainPack said:

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cowboypack02 said:

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SexualChocolate said:

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Oh hell! The fix is in for the GA Senate race. Do you think Trump pumping up the rigged elections deterred some of his base to show up? I really don't care that much but I wonder what people think what influenced this important race.

---

I think the nail in the coffin was the republican senate not carrying the 2000 dollar stimulus package, honesty.

---

McConnell knew what he was doing.

---

Perdue still has a chance. Decent one at that. If dems win both seats then Trump will be blamed for it all and he will be purged from the GOP forever. McConnell knew this and is playing the long game for 2022-24.

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That's actually the type of 4D chess that people accused Trump of playing early in his term, until they realized he couldn't sit still or hold a thought in his head for more than a few seconds, until the next squirrel ran into his view.

I agree that this could very well be intentional on McConnell's part and it would be smart. Trumpism is a race to the bottom for Republicans (and the country, by extension).

Repudiating Trumpism and bringing highly electable candidate(s) to the table in 2024 is a winning strategy for the right. I think there's a 90% chance Haley beats Kamala. Pence would probably be better than 50/50 odds, although I don't think he shares Haley's appeal with conservative and moderate women. I think Haley would prove to be massively popular with Trump-to-Biden voters that went Biden only because Trump is so distasteful.

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Civ, you are speaking mostly to the Trump style. Unfortunately, for your points and MAGA people are far more interested in the substance. MAGA people are fed up with the Oligarchies we live with everyday.

• Corporate Media Oligarchy
• Big Business Oligarchy
• Big Tech Oligarchy
• Establishment Politicians (Both Parties) <- Could be the biggest issue in our country

Trump, given the style issues you and others don't like, are overlooked by MAGA people because he calls the Oligarchy out everyday. That is the appeal that people on the board are just not seeing. You know, its going to be hard for another Republican to be elected, for President, in a long time.

I think what is missed is Trump has fundamentally changed the Republican Party. The Republican Party is no longer the Party of the Elites, that now goes to the Democrats, excluding the established Republicans. I can go on about this; however, it probably will go on deaf ears.

No need to call out Trump for this or that. That will only show that you are just not seeing it... This is not calling on you to agree with it and/or support it, just realize the country has a bunch of people support Trumps actions...

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This is correct pineknolls. The Trump movement is really a populist movement. It's pro worker and anti DC for the most part. DC establishment and government is largely detested by voters and it crosses party lines. Yes most of the Trump voters vote GOP down the line but it's not like they like a lot of those candidates. It's more of a lesser of 2 evils thing. When Trump is off the ticket you see what happens. The old GOP needs to die and fast b/c there's no future in it. The GOP needs to primary all the old establishment *****s and become a full populist pro worker America first party. It has to happen that way.. you can't form a 3rd party or an independent coalition.

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How is Trump/Trumpism a populist movement? Saying things that the base like isn't populism, its pandering.

What pro worker legislation did the push? What policies are populist?

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Populism - a political approach that strives to appeal to ordinary people who feel that their concerns are disregarded by established elite groups.

You don't need to push a particular set of policies to be a "populist." It's more about how you try to sell your agenda, whatever it is

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Trump did!

Listen folks, Trump did certain things that I totally disagree with (Stimulus packages); however, you have to take the good with the bad.

BTW, I consider myself to be an ordinary person even though I didn't receive a stimulus check!

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lol...my man is backdoor telling everyone that he makes too much money to get a stimulus check....I can appreciate that

In all seriousness though I am at the point of thinking that the entire purpose of government at this point is to take money from all of us who make it and either enrich politicians or give it away to someone else for votes.

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yea, I guess I did, didn't I? Right now, I'm just so frustrated at what I see... We are really living in a **** Show!!

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That we are. Every now and then my wife and I will talk a bit of politics even though we disagree and when something happens that i really disagree with i tell her i bought another 1000 rounds.....

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Best advice I can give to everyone is to buy stock in weed companies and mobile sports betting apps... preferably Penn Gaming. That's the one owned by Dave Portnoy and Barstool Sports. You may as well get ready for $4 - $5 a gallon gas again. It's coming and coming quickly. Open borders and the abolishing of ICE will happen in the first two weeks. What is about to happen to this country is nothing short of a Soros led socialist takeover. Manchin will be bought off to an extent. He isn't up for re-election in 2022 so he is safe for the next 4 years. He can retire after that either a hero or the man that destroyed America.

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after hearing the turnout, on game day, was not what was needed for the two Establishment Republicans, I called my advisor and divested all my stock into cash holdings.

Now, its a wait and see before I jump back in...