Yeah throw this one in the Water Cooler green guys this thread got outta hand
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I don't care about the Hornets so I don't follow Bonnell. He's kind of annoying anyways. J Jones is a tarhole so that's a no go. I got into it with him many moons ago.Packchem91 said:Well those are the folks who cover sports in Charlotte and Raleigh and therefore "should" talk about NC State or the Panthers. And if you read any of their personal views and think you are on a conservative platform, then we have weirdly different views of what is conservative and liberal.CLTWolf said:I'm obviously not a conservative type and I still see tons of it on my feed but I was put in my place above and I appreciate the knowledge that was shown me.Packchem91 said:No, not kidding you. But then, I don't follow Trump on twitter. I follow mostly media members. Go read twitter accounts for Gantt, Sorenson, Armstrong, Igo, J Jones, B Jones, Bonnell, DeCock, Forde, Brownlow and then all the folks the other media folks they continually retweet.CLTWolf said:are you fkn kidding me!? lolPackchem91 said:Its called the Twitter revolution. If you put them on Twitter, which is in general an extremely liberal platform, you better be prepared.....James Henderson said:
I don't understand why folks can't have their own opinions on topics and it just be left at that.
I took his comments to be in reference to the flag/anthem situation, not what's going on right now.
Brees is one of the most charitable players in the NFL, hate to see the guy get blasted like he is, but it's what we now do.
The most famous twitter user currently is the freaking president. That man is far from "extremely liberal" and that's just about his only platform except the millions of his minions that retweet the snot out of him. lol
You follow for sports updates, you get continual liberal media viewpoints.
So yeah...
Funny that I only follow about 2 of those people.
As for Brees.I think he was tone deaf...and the response to him from Marques Colston about rearing his son in this environment was very moving, I thought. A guy who should be of wealth and comfort, having to teach his son how to protect himself from being a cop victim.
That said...the attacks on Brees are also way overboard. Its kind of the sad times we are in, where every comment is taken as some kind of attack vector.
Igo is the Panthers dude, right? No need to follow DeCock as I don't care for hockey. Who is Armstrong and B JOnes?
I follow Gantt and Forde from that list.
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Mods just need to retitle the thread CLTWolf.
No need, I'm out. Water Cooler ain't for me.packgrad said:
Mods just need to retitle the thread CLTWolf.
Ya'll have fun.
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Surely you don't think Gantt is a conservative? He borders on socialist. But he does like the EPL, so I'll give him credit for that.CLTWolf said:I don't care about the Hornets so I don't follow Bonnell. He's kind of annoying anyways. J Jones is a tarhole so that's a no go. I got into it with him many moons ago.Packchem91 said:Well those are the folks who cover sports in Charlotte and Raleigh and therefore "should" talk about NC State or the Panthers. And if you read any of their personal views and think you are on a conservative platform, then we have weirdly different views of what is conservative and liberal.CLTWolf said:I'm obviously not a conservative type and I still see tons of it on my feed but I was put in my place above and I appreciate the knowledge that was shown me.Packchem91 said:No, not kidding you. But then, I don't follow Trump on twitter. I follow mostly media members. Go read twitter accounts for Gantt, Sorenson, Armstrong, Igo, J Jones, B Jones, Bonnell, DeCock, Forde, Brownlow and then all the folks the other media folks they continually retweet.CLTWolf said:are you fkn kidding me!? lolPackchem91 said:Its called the Twitter revolution. If you put them on Twitter, which is in general an extremely liberal platform, you better be prepared.....James Henderson said:
I don't understand why folks can't have their own opinions on topics and it just be left at that.
I took his comments to be in reference to the flag/anthem situation, not what's going on right now.
Brees is one of the most charitable players in the NFL, hate to see the guy get blasted like he is, but it's what we now do.
The most famous twitter user currently is the freaking president. That man is far from "extremely liberal" and that's just about his only platform except the millions of his minions that retweet the snot out of him. lol
You follow for sports updates, you get continual liberal media viewpoints.
So yeah...
Funny that I only follow about 2 of those people.
As for Brees.I think he was tone deaf...and the response to him from Marques Colston about rearing his son in this environment was very moving, I thought. A guy who should be of wealth and comfort, having to teach his son how to protect himself from being a cop victim.
That said...the attacks on Brees are also way overboard. Its kind of the sad times we are in, where every comment is taken as some kind of attack vector.
Igo is the Panthers dude, right? No need to follow DeCock as I don't care for hockey. Who is Armstrong and B JOnes?
I follow Gantt and Forde from that list.
Bonnell is an interesting guy....I enjoy his take on sports in general
J Jones...yeah, I just need to drop him.
Igo is the Panthers...
DeCock -- covers hockey but also Triangle sports.
Mark Armstrong -- WTVD. Hilarious follow, but ultra liberal.
B Jones -- Bomani. I don't actually follow him.....but some of those other media guys do, and they are continually retweeting him....he's been very vocal against Dabo
And another..John Feinstein --- his books on golf are amongst my favorites ever, but lord is he a lib. He recently went off on the Chicago Bears allowed race to dictate selecting Trubisky over Watson or Mahomes. And attacked anyone who dared to disagree. LOL...what a cesspool.
Igo is a photographer who created a Panthers website. I wouldn't call him a media guy by any stretch.
Starwolf said:
This is the reason I don't bring up this issue with non-POC State fans. I love you guys but you need to truly be in the position that black people are in and you'll understand why black Americans are protesting and their frustrations with Brees' comments. No disrespect to anyone.
I think 99% of us respect and empathize with what black people deal with. I honestly think Drew Brees does too. My thing is that we are arguing about what the symbol of the American flag represents to an individual, and if it should be tied in with a protest. There is literally no one right opinion about what the American flag represents. If Brees thinks that it is to be respected as a symbol of those that have fought and died for our country, well that's his opinion and a lot of people agree. Michael Thomas and Kap and whoever else are thinking of it as a part of their protest on a completely different topic. Both are right, Nothing Brees said indicates he is against the movement for equality, and it sucks that Brees receives all this vitriol for confirming his idea on the flag's significance.
I've been harassed when I was a kid in school by groups of black people. I've also been harassed by police. This is all when I was a teenager and in my early 20's mostly. I've also had plenty of friends of all colors.
Why do far left groups out there think I need to apologize?
I have no problem with civil conversations. I think police reform discussions are fine when it comes to the way they pull people over or treat people at times. I DO NOT believe there is "systemic racism" as it's called. If there was the police would attempt to cover this incident with Floyd up, the cops would never get charged, and the rioters would be getting hit a lot harder.
There is racism around the world. No doubt about it. But it's small minority of people.
The attack on law and order and police is far more disturbing to me now. The lack of punishment for those vandalizing, looting, setting fires, and worst of all hurting and killing people is abhorrent to me.
Why do far left groups out there think I need to apologize?
I have no problem with civil conversations. I think police reform discussions are fine when it comes to the way they pull people over or treat people at times. I DO NOT believe there is "systemic racism" as it's called. If there was the police would attempt to cover this incident with Floyd up, the cops would never get charged, and the rioters would be getting hit a lot harder.
There is racism around the world. No doubt about it. But it's small minority of people.
The attack on law and order and police is far more disturbing to me now. The lack of punishment for those vandalizing, looting, setting fires, and worst of all hurting and killing people is abhorrent to me.
Ya'll have fun? LOL. You started all this.CLTWolf said:No need, I'm out. Water Cooler ain't for me.packgrad said:
Mods just need to retitle the thread CLTWolf.
Ya'll have fun.
This is my issue. Police brutality is colorless and the stats prove this which is why to me this is more of an abuse of power situation rather than systematic racism. My whole issue is that it is not nearly as big of an issue as we are made to believe. ALL cases of it are bad and inexcusable don't get me wrong but cases are few and far between. Lets investigate the complaints and hold the cops accountable and move on. There's no sense in this officer in Minneapolis having 18 complaints against him (allegedly) and still employed as a police officer.James Henderson said:
Police brutality is colorless. Bad cops are using excessive force on every race in our country. We need to do something about that.
I personally don't know what the national anthem or flag has to do with it.
Borowolf10 said:baxterC said:James Henderson said:
I don't understand why folks can't have their own opinions on topics and it just be left at that.
I took his comments to be in reference to the flag/anthem situation, not what's going on right now.
Brees is one of the most charitable players in the NFL, hate to see the guy get blasted like he is, but it's what we now do.
Seems like a pretty poor reading of the room to make the statements he made during a time of national unrest. He shouldn't be surprised people that are angry about an injustice are going to snap on him.
It's his opinion, he will defend it still. But he may have just lost a lot of fellow players respect. In the end I think that's a bigger deal for him in his occupation than what we think of him in one way or the other.
He didn't just say it out of nowhere. The media asked him specifically to create this kind of controversy.
If you're the face of a franchise and you're asked this question after a week of protests/riots/whatever you ought to be better prepared to make a statement. He's had years to reflect on Kaepernick, and apparently didn't have thorough conversations with his teammates about it. Because if he did I think he would have had a different statement yesterday.
Drew is allowed to have his opinion. He's done charitable acts aplenty. He's not a terrible person. But he seems to have not been educated by conversations with his fellow teammates/friends/leaders. Because if that he's also allowed to be scrutinized for what he states in public. I'm sure he has had some conversations with his teammates that opened his eyes in the last 24 hours.
He very well may still feel the same way about the anthem, flag, WW2, whatever you can really insert anything here. But he may at least understand why his statements hurt his teammates, or he may try to understand better in the future why something upsets someone and try to compare that to his own experiences. In the end it may not change his opinion (that's ok folks) but it may make him a little more thoughtful in how he presents that opinion.
"That's a big deal," Doeren said. "Now we have five days of five different potatoes and the guys are fired up about it."
Right....I generalized that. I had added him some time ago after hearing him on the radio. He provides Panthers contentstatefan91 said:
Igo is a photographer who created a Panthers website. I wouldn't call him a media guy by any stretch.
Numbers that I saw on Tucker Carlson last night. He referenced the Wash Post database as his resource.
1004 total police fatal shootings last year.
Some 800 or so were recorded with race so there are some unknowns.
Out of the 800 plus that were detailed ...
236 black people were shot and killed by police.
371 white people were shot and killed by police
Of the 236 black people 10 were unarmed. Most of those 10 were attacking in some form or fashion.
Blacks also more likely to be carrying a weapon then whites but whites more likely to be shot.
We live in a country of 328 million plus people. There are no systemic racist issues in the police. Some police reform and community outreach are needed and do help. That is all.
1004 total police fatal shootings last year.
Some 800 or so were recorded with race so there are some unknowns.
Out of the 800 plus that were detailed ...
236 black people were shot and killed by police.
371 white people were shot and killed by police
Of the 236 black people 10 were unarmed. Most of those 10 were attacking in some form or fashion.
Blacks also more likely to be carrying a weapon then whites but whites more likely to be shot.
We live in a country of 328 million plus people. There are no systemic racist issues in the police. Some police reform and community outreach are needed and do help. That is all.
James Henderson said:
Police brutality is colorless. Bad cops are using excessive force on every race in our country. We need to do something about that.
I personally don't know what the national anthem or flag has to do with it.
It's pretty simple. The AA community has sacrificed a lot for this country and put up with racial injustices that are still persistent to this day. So a few athletes had enough and felt like the justice system wasn't treating them fairly so instead of stand up and show blind reverence for the flag, they instead took a knee and said I don't feel like this country today matches the ideals of the anthem/flag for my people.
They don't feel free. They decided to protest and have a conversation.
I don't have the statistics, but I've heard enough stories in my life of black folks being unfairly targeted by cops, subjected to unwarranted escalation, and frankly being treated like second class citizens.
I'm sorry, but I just don't hear the same level of accounts about white people being treated in that manner. I've never felt like my life was in danger when talking with a cop during a traffic stop or on the street at night. I've never felt like people are staring at me like I'm unwelcome in their neighborhood. I think if you went through that all your life, and your parents went through it, and their parents that you might have a pretty different perspective on life in America and may choose to protest.
So all I can do personally is say hmm, I don't feel like my experience would lead me to take a knee during the anthem, but I can understand why Person X may.
"That's a big deal," Doeren said. "Now we have five days of five different potatoes and the guys are fired up about it."
Pretty clear you've never been to a black neighborhood before.
I definitely don't think Drew Brees was trying to be hateful. Part of it is the ever evolving narrative of what's considered offensive and what's not. It's mostly obvious, but not always. I wouldn't have initially read his statement and thought it would offend someone. Same goes for the words of the now fired Sacramento Kings announcer. I'm glad I now know that those three words are hurtful, and I won't repeat them. However, I didn't know that last week.
LakeNormanPackFan said:CLTWolf said:fk you.LakeNormanPackFan said:CLTWolf said:
One of my best friends on the planet told me a story yesterday. He had just gotten cut from the St Louis Rams and was driving back to his apt with all of his stuff from his locker. He was gonna finish packing up and drive back to NC and see if he could latch on with another team. As he was driving on the same road he'd driven a million times before, he gets pulled over. The officer tells him he pulled him over b/c he was driving in the left lane. Supposedly that was a no no in Missouri but of course my buddy didn't know that. Officer asked him why he was out driving around and my buddy told him that he had just gotten released by the Rams and he was driving home. The officer heard "released from jail", pulled his weapon and told my buddy to get out of the car and demanded my friend tell him why he was in Missouri with NC tags having just gotten out of jail. Jail. My buddy told him again, that he has never been in jail and was just released by the RAMS. Told him to call "Chief" (the retired police officer that works for the team) and he could verify who my friend was. Once the officer calmed down and realized my friend had never been in jail and was in fact a professional football player his attitude changed and the officer then made this comment, "Sorry man, you're just a big black guy in a nice car in nice part of town. I had to pull you over". Then that mf'er wanted an autograph.
I'd bet $5 million bucks something like that has never and will never happen to Drew Brees.
That sounds like the fakest story I have ever heard.
Should I start cussing this guy back out or do we still Ban personal attacks?
He doesn't get banned. . He's allowed to do and say whatever he wants.
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Post of the year! LOLJames Henderson said:Why? I have plenty of black friends, hell most of my friends are black.CLTWolf said:
Some of ya'll need some more black friends in your life lol
I think some of you all need more native american friends in your life.
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