Civilized said:
TheStorm said:
Civilized said:
dogplasma said:
I think most of the science and medical community would disagree that vaccines are ineffective and that long Covid doesn't exist. The Mayo Clinic, the NIH, and the Harvard Medical school for starters. Probably your GP, too, if you have one. Like I said, I'm going to take the advice of the medical establishment, but if some want to believe that they're out to get you or they are all a bunch of clowns with advanced degrees, that's your prerogative and I won't stand in your way. There are no guarantees with vaccines (esp. flu) but they have a good track record with measles, smallpox, malaria, mumps, polio, tetanus, etc, etc.
Depending on which modeling method you use, the vaxx has been demonstrated to have saved tens of millions of lives worldwide, including millions of Americans, and many more millions were spared hospitalization, all while causing exponentially fewer and less severe side effects than it mitigated.
There's no way to look at those results and come to any conclusion other than the vaccines were quite effective.
Anybody that says otherwise is just still angry that the gub'ment overstated the efficacy against transmission and generally with public health for their various messaging mistakes throughout the pandemic.
This is revisionist history. The deadliest strain had come and gone. Delta was reportedly easier to catch but less deadly. Omicron was nothing.
Some day, after the current ruling leaders across what was once known as the "free world" are no longer in those positions, and medicine doesn't fund mass media and favored political parties, medical circles will share those true numbers with us.
Bobby Knight passed the other day... and like other famous people from the past, it got some publicity. Why weren't more of these famous past figures dying during covid - before the vaccine was developed - than after the vaccine was developed - and now? Some day you'll figure it out Civ... but we know that you'll never admit it, because it doesn't fit your political narrative.
Your analysis is the same type of shallow, anecdotal assessment that people clutch at desperately when they're trying to justify to themselves why MASSIVE electoral FRAUD existed in the STOLEN 2020 election despite there being no actual evidence of such. They just make **** up or tell themselves the evidence actually is out there, but somehow it's not been made public yet despite there being no way for that type of explosive information to be kept quiet.
Your highly scientific gut sense that not enough famous people died during COVID (despite the obvious differences that famous people are likely healthier, financially and logistically better able to isolate themselves, and better able to afford and obtain great medical care if they did fall ill compared to average Americans) is great and all but at this point there are dozens of peer-reviewed studies that assess COVID deaths and none of them come close to supporting your back-of-a-napkin hypothesis; they actually demonstrate the exact opposite.
There's a mountain of evidence out there that disputes your "alternative facts." Kellyanne Conway is probably proud of your efforts, though.
And notwithstanding the lunacy and logistical improbability and perverse incentives involved for tens of thousands of American doctors and scientists to knowingly withhold medically vital information, what exactly would be stopping international doctors and scientists, who are unbound and undeterred by American politics and Big Pharma, from screaming from the rooftops about it?
Oh, I don't know what could stop them....like state medical boards all over the country issuing decrees and threatening doctors who opposed the "official" Big Pharma Fauci complex narrative with having their medical licenses revoked? But, I know...Leftist "geniuses" like you will tell us all that this is "not happening" and "just a conspiracy theory".
Even without those decrees and threats of having their medical licenses revoked, the vast majority of doctors are, in fact, "bound" to push the Big Pharma complex agenda because they are employed by medical conglomerates that are now effectively controlled by Big Pharma. This is evident, for example, in that doctors are mostly now just pill pushers for the latest Big Pharma drugs (with those stupid computer-generated names that you see advertised on TV on every channel, with a new one seemingly coming out every week).
But despite all that, there ARE many doctors who were screaming from the rooftops and opposing the vaccines and opposing the official narrative, and exposing the "official" story on "covid" as a fraud. But, guess what?....oh, that's right, the Big Pharma complex is also the biggest advertiser for the "mainstream" TV (and radio) media, and therefore censors those messages. And their comrades in far Left commie-run Big Tech did their part and suppressed and censored doctors who opposed the official narrative.
And, yes the 2020 "election" was blatantly stolen....and there is a "mountain" of evidence (as you say) to support that. No amount of gas-lighting by commie partisans will ever change that fact, and will ever change the mind of people like me who know the truth.
"Ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you." - John 15:19
