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The top 3 states for vaccination coverage are also the top 3 for infections. 8 of the top 10 for vaccination are in the top 10 infections. 7 of the top 10 for vaccination are in the top 10 for hospitalizations.

I mean, it is a bit odd. pic.twitter.com/7zbvO3mN4U

— Tyler Carditis (@TyCardon) May 17, 2022

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Are we sure there are no other confounding factors? Does correlation mean causation?

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The top 3 states for vaccination coverage are also the top 3 for infections. 8 of the top 10 for vaccination are in the top 10 infections. 7 of the top 10 for vaccination are in the top 10 for hospitalizations.

I mean, it is a bit odd. pic.twitter.com/7zbvO3mN4U

— Tyler Carditis (@TyCardon) May 17, 2022

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Are we sure there are no other confounding factors? Does correlation mean causation?

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It's a lazy, inane, useless tweet with mild hmmm value without further explanation or understanding of the details behind the numbers. If it's one thing I've learned during the pandemic it's that everybody has a voice and a platform and very few know *** they're talking about.

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Studies need to be done. I came across this tweet today. Protection against severe infection at the cost of reduced post-infection seroconversion?

👇For me, so important to think about.

40% of mRNA-1273 recipients N Ab seroconverted post C19 PCR+

93% of placebo recipients N Ab seroconverted post C19 PCR+ https://t.co/v8xUDz9aQ5

— Jean Rees (@JeanRees10) April 27, 2022

But NC counties with the highest vaccination rate also have the highest case rate right now (though I tended to attribute that to test seeking behavior). But I look forward to the science being done.

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The top 3 states for vaccination coverage are also the top 3 for infections. 8 of the top 10 for vaccination are in the top 10 infections. 7 of the top 10 for vaccination are in the top 10 for hospitalizations.

I mean, it is a bit odd. pic.twitter.com/7zbvO3mN4U

— Tyler Carditis (@TyCardon) May 17, 2022

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Are we sure there are no other confounding factors? Does correlation mean causation?

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It's a lazy, inane, useless tweet with mild hmmm value without further explanation or understanding of the details behind the numbers. If it's one thing I've learned during the pandemic it's that everybody has a voice and a platform and very few know *** they're talking about.

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I also tend to lean more on seasonal/regional component than vax rate as a more likely causation.

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Studies need to be done. I came across this tweet today. Protection against severe infection at the cost of reduced post-infection seroconversion?

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Translating to layman's English, 40% of vaccinated produced antibodies following actual infection versus 93% of unvaccinated produced antibodies following actual infection is how I interpret that tweet. Do I have that correct?

ETA: The first definition I found for seroconverted was as follows:
1. subject to seroconversion

What a waste of space for that definition. It reminded me of comments placed in software because some QC manager complained about undocumented code; so, the developer obliged with occasional Captain Obvious commentary to complete the assignment.

This is much more useful from Wikipedia:
In immunology, seroconversion is the development of specific antibodies in the blood serum as a result of infection or immunization, including vaccination. During infection or immunization, antigens enter the blood, and the immune system begins to produce antibodies in response.

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Studies need to be done. I came across this tweet today. Protection against severe infection at the cost of reduced post-infection seroconversion?

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Translating to laymen's English, 40% of vaccinated produced antibodies following actual infection versus 93% of unvaccinated produced antibodies following actual infection is how I interpret that tweet. Do I have that correct?

ETA: The first definition I found for seroconverted was as follows:
1. subject to seroconversion

What a waste of space for that definition. It reminded me of comments placed in software because some QC manager complained about undocumented code; so, the developer obliged with occasional Captain Obvious commentary to complete the assignment.

This is much more useful from Wikipedia:
In immunology, seroconversion is the development of specific antibodies in the blood serum as a result of infection or immunization, including vaccination. During infection or immunization, antigens enter the blood, and the immune system begins to produce antibodies in response.

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That is my read, as a layman.

Again, I would love true population samples to be done since I do think there is such a great test seeking bias.

But is just interesting, anecdotally, since I know so many vaccinated/boosted and even some vax/boosted (then infected) testing positive. But then again, I have a heavy bias to knowing vaccinated people based on my location in Wake County.

Here are current case rates compared to the % of the overall population boosted sorted by the % of population with at least 1 dose. Cumberland is fascinating with the relatively high "at least one dose" (3rd highest of the 14 counties) with a super low boosting (2nd lowest of the 14 counties). I am guessing that is the 'mandated' vaccinations.

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Studies need to be done. I came across this tweet today. Protection against severe infection at the cost of reduced post-infection seroconversion?

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Translating to laymen's English, 40% of vaccinated produced antibodies following actual infection versus 93% of unvaccinated produced antibodies following actual infection is how I interpret that tweet. Do I have that correct?

ETA: The first definition I found for seroconverted was as follows:
1. subject to seroconversion

What a waste of space for that definition. It reminded me of comments placed in software because some QC manager complained about undocumented code; so, the developer obliged with occasional Captain Obvious commentary to complete the assignment.

This is much more useful from Wikipedia:
In immunology, seroconversion is the development of specific antibodies in the blood serum as a result of infection or immunization, including vaccination. During infection or immunization, antigens enter the blood, and the immune system begins to produce antibodies in response.

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That is my read, as a layman.

Again, I would love true population samples to be done since I do think there is such a great test seeking bias.

But is just interesting, anecdotally, since I know so many vaccinated/boosted and even some vax/boosted (then infected) testing positive. But then again, I have a heavy bias to knowing vaccinated people based on my location in Wake County.

Here are current case rates compared to the % of the overall population boosted sorted by the % of population with at least 1 dose. Cumberland is fascinating with the relatively high "at least one dose" (3rd highest of the 14 counties) with a super low boosting (2nd lowest of the 14 counties). I am guessing that is the 'mandated' vaccinations.

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Oddly enough, again, here is a link to some data from NYC, Denmark, Ontario, that was just posted that similarly show elevated cases in boosted populations.

https://hold2.substack.com/p/nyc-cov2-update-51922?s=r

Denmark and Ontario most recent case rates here. pic.twitter.com/ZJP2czARcM

— Hold2 (@Hold2LLC) May 19, 2022

Dr. Bill Gates gleefully laughing at mention that the covid scamdemic destroyed the economy (per the elite plan):

Here is an excellent article on NIH website by retired Neurosurgeon that eviscerates the "official" covid narrative, calling it "official lies", strongly condemning virtually every aspect of the Establishment agenda -- and explicitly stating that it is a "contrived fake pandemic" and quote, "a designed human tragedy of Biblical proportions by some of the most vile, heartless, psychopaths in history".

The article covers:

- the Establishment suppressed early and alternative treatments (Ivermectin, etc) which could have saved 75-80% of patients (at least 600,000 lives)
- destroying the career and revoking the licenses of doctors who oppose the official narrative
- the covid vaccines are ineffective at preventing covid and are harmful
- the officially sanctioned treatments (Remdesivir and ventilators) cause more harm than good
- prominent medical journals are retracting articles critical of vaccines
- prominent medical journals rely on the pharmaceutical industry for funding
- prominent medical journals have been producing articles with "fake studies" to promote vaccines
- the Establishment media is heavily funded by and "under the control" of the pharmaceutical industry
- Big Pharma paid $4.58 billion in TV advertising in 2020, 75% of the advertising revenue for TV
- the Establishment media and Big Tech have censored doctors and others opposing the official narrative
- In an unprecedented change, the CDC and hospital administrators now dictate which drugs/treatments that doctors can use for their patients
- Independent hospitals are disappearing, with an increasing number of hospitals owned by big national and international corporations, "further increasing the power of corporate medicine over physician independence"
- previous studies had conclusively shown that masks had never prevented spread of flu-like viruses
- this fake "pandemic crisis" is being used to bring in the Elites' plan for a "Great Reset" or "New World Order" (see the first paragraph of the "Conclusions" section of the article)


Amazing read. Everyone should save this article to their hard drives, before it is memory holed as well:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9062939/

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COVID UPDATE: What is the truth?

Russell L. Blaylock

Published online 2022 Apr 22

The COVID-19 pandemic is one of the most manipulated infectious disease events in history, characterized by official lies in an unending stream lead by government bureaucracies, medical associations, medical boards, the media, and international agencies.[3,6,57] We have witnessed a long list of unprecedented intrusions into medical practice, including attacks on medical experts, destruction of medical careers among doctors refusing to participate in killing their patients and a massive regimentation of health care, led by non-qualified individuals with enormous wealth, power and influence.

For the first time in American history a president, governors, mayors, hospital administrators and federal bureaucrats are determining medical treatments based not on accurate scientifically based or even experience based information, but rather to force the acceptance of special forms of care and "prevention"including remdesivir, use of respirators and ultimately a series of essentially untested messenger RNA vaccines. For the first time in history medical treatment, protocols are not being formulated based on the experience of the physicians treating the largest number of patients successfully, but rather individuals and bureaucracies that have never treated a single patientincluding Anthony Fauci, Bill Gates, EcoHealth Alliance, the CDC, WHO, state public health officers and hospital administrators.[23,38]

The media (TV, newspapers, magazines, etc), medical societies, state medical boards and the owners of social media have appointed themselves to be the sole source of information concerning this so-called "pandemic". Websites have been removed, highly credentialed and experienced clinical doctors and scientific experts in the field of infectious diseases have been demonized, careers have been destroyed and all dissenting information has been labeled "misinformation" and "dangerous lies", even when sourced from top experts in the fields of virology, infectious diseases, pulmonary critical care, and epidemiology. These blackouts of truth occur even when this information is backed by extensive scientific citations from some of the most qualified medical specialists in the world.[23] Incredibly, even individuals, such as Dr. Michael Yeadon, a retired ex-Chief Scientist, and vice-president for the science division of Pfizer Pharmaceutical company in the UK, who charged the company with making an extremely dangerous vaccine, is ignored and demonized. Further, he, along with other highly qualified scientists have stated that no one should take this vaccine.

Dr. Peter McCullough, one of the most cited experts in his field, who has successfully treated over 2000 COVID patients by using a protocol of early treatment (which the so-called experts completely ignored), has been the victim of a particularly vicious assault by those benefiting financially from the vaccines. He has published his results in peer reviewed journals, reporting an 80% reduction in hospitalizations and a 75% reduction in deaths by using early treatment.[44] Despite this, he is under an unrelenting series of attacks by the information controllers, none of which have treated a single patient.

Neither Anthony Fauci, the CDC, WHO nor any medical governmental establishment has ever offered any early treatment other than Tylenol, hydration and call an ambulance once you have difficulty breathing. This is unprecedented in the entire history of medical care as early treatment of infections is critical to saving lives and preventing severe complications. Not only have these medical organizations and federal lapdogs not even suggested early treatment, they attacked anyone who attempted to initiate such treatment with all the weapons at their disposalloss of license, removal of hospital privileges, shaming, destruction of reputations and even arrest.[2]

A good example of this outrage against freedom of speech and providing informed consent information is the recent suspension by the medical board in Maine of Dr. Meryl Nass' medical license and the ordering of her to undergo a psychiatric evaluation for prescribing Ivermectin and sharing her expertise in this field.[9,65] I know Dr, Nass personally and can vouch for her integrity, brilliance and dedication to truth. Her scientific credentials are impeccable. This behavior by a medical licensing board is reminiscent of the methodology of the Soviet KGB during the period when dissidents were incarcerated in psychiatric gulags to silence their dissent.

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The order amounts to a $119 million order for Jynneos vaccines, which are used for the prevention of both smallpox and monkeypox.
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The order will convert bulk vaccines, which have already been made and invoiced under previous contracts with the U.S. government, into freeze-dried versions which have an improved shelf-life.
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Monkeypox is a viral disease first discovered in 1958 among colonies of monkeys that were being kept for research. The first human case was recorded in 1970.."

Wonder if the smallpox vaccination most people have protects against the monkey variety?

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Or for that matter, do I have a titer level effective against smallpox? My last shot, I think was in 1980.

Interesting. Thanks for posting that.

An interesting thing we noticed is that the Red Cross changed the way they report their antibody testing. At some point last year my husband and daughter both donated blood. Although I've forgotten the terminology, they had different categories indicating antibodies from infection and antibodies from vaccination.

Within the last month, both have donated again and this time they have Reactive+, Reactive, and Negative, with Reactive+ indicating your plasma could be used for convalescent plasma, but no differentiation as to whether the antibodies came from infection or vaccination. Both are Reactive+. Both are vaccinated but to the best of our knowledge none of us have been infected.

That's really interesting. Cool that they're reactive+, whatever that means, because it suggests good immunity?

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That's really interesting. Cool that they're reactive+, whatever that means, because it suggests good immunity?

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https://www.redcrossblood.org/donate-blood/dlp/covid-19-antibody-test-details.html

Reactive+ means your antibodies are at a high enough level to be used for convalescent plasma (although I thought they weren't doing that so much any more?). Yes, sounds like a good thing. Hoping one day I can donate again.

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That's really interesting. Cool that they're reactive+, whatever that means, because it suggests good immunity?

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https://www.redcrossblood.org/donate-blood/dlp/covid-19-antibody-test-details.html

Reactive+ means your antibodies are at a high enough level to be used for convalescent plasma (although I thought they weren't doing that so much any more?). Yes, sounds like a good thing. Hoping one day I can donate again.

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Interesting that they can screen for that but they won't take my blood because I might have gotten mad cow disease in Europe in the eighties and they can't screen for that. Their loss.

It is their loss. They won't assume if you were exposed to CJD in the 80s you'd know it by now?

It's funny - they used to ask that in the questions (about mad cow, or time in the UK), including a question about if you were a dependent of a member of the Armed Forces during a specific range of years. Well, technically I was, as my husband was in the Reserves during that time, but was not sent to any of the relevant locations. But it was one of the questions I had to answer yes and then explain every time. Eventually they quit asking about being a military dependent during that time.

Can't really argue about them not taking mine for now. If I ever get to five years cancer free, then a year after that declaration I can donate again. I'm AB+ and CMV negative so they like my blood - or would, if they could ever get it again.

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That's really interesting. Cool that they're reactive+, whatever that means, because it suggests good immunity?

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https://www.redcrossblood.org/donate-blood/dlp/covid-19-antibody-test-details.html

Reactive+ means your antibodies are at a high enough level to be used for convalescent plasma (although I thought they weren't doing that so much any more?). Yes, sounds like a good thing. Hoping one day I can donate again.

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Interesting that they can screen for that but they won't take my blood because I might have gotten mad cow disease in Europe in the eighties and they can't screen for that. Their loss.

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I thought if you got that, you generally didn't survive very long. Certainly not any 40 years!

They will. You'll get there, Mom

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It is their loss. They won't assume if you were exposed to CJD in the 80s you'd know it by now?

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Guess not.

Y'all who've been sick with it, how are you doing? Packgrad, how's your mother?

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Y'all who've been sick with it, how are you doing? Packgrad, how's your mother?

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Doing good. My wife ended up getting it too. My mom got over it probably faster than any of us. They put her on paxovid. Perhaps that was the difference. Now my brother has it. Think they're putting him on paxovid as well. My wife has had an elevated heart rate for a week, 100+, and that's been tough on her. Other than that she doesn't really have any more symptoms other than an occasional cough. Thanks for asking.

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Y'all who've been sick with it, how are you doing? Packgrad, how's your mother?

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Doing good. My wife ended up getting it too. My mom got over it probably faster than any of us. They put her on paxovid. Perhaps that was the difference. Now my brother has it. Think they're putting him on paxovid as well. My wife has had an elevated heart rate for a week, 100+, and that's been tough on her. Other than that she doesn't really have any more symptoms other than an occasional cough. Thanks for asking.

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This is really great news. I was hopeful but worried about your Mom given you said she had complicating factors. Really glad she's doing better.

Hope your wife's heart issues resolve soon.

Thanks for the update, and I hope everyone is well soon.

Darn, looks like werewolf and GP were right all along and should be promoted to be IPS' culture wars editors.

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/imagine-compliance-pfizer-ceo-pitches-davos-elites-wifi-microchip-pills

The News & Observer - When to get second COVID booster, how long it is effective
https://eedition.newsobserver.com/popovers/dynamic_article_popover.aspx?artguid=0bce13cf-3776-4b4c-9081-2fe9d75f1adf.

Yeah, I think I'll pass...

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The News & Observer - When to get second COVID booster, how long it is effective
https://eedition.newsobserver.com/popovers/dynamic_article_popover.aspx?artguid=0bce13cf-3776-4b4c-9081-2fe9d75f1adf.

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Blocked by ye olde paywall. Regardless, haven't gotten a first and hoping to get to retirement before they make it mandatory again which will probably be right after the election.

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The News & Observer - When to get second COVID booster, how long it is effective
https://eedition.newsobserver.com/popovers/dynamic_article_popover.aspx?artguid=0bce13cf-3776-4b4c-9081-2fe9d75f1adf.

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I'll tldr without even reading because it will be better advice than that article.

If you are in otherwise good health (or even slightly below average health) and your doctor tells you that NOW is the time to take a second booster for COVID. Fire them. Walk out the door and never look back. They clearly lack any kind of medical critical thinking or are severely compromised.

Sorry, did a quick cut and paste and wasn't thinking about pay walls. FWIW, it's partly a Q&A with Dr. David Wohl, an infectious disease specialist with UNC Health. This is the meat of it:

In its guidance on second booster doses, the CDC outlines two scenarios when eligible people might wait to get their second booster:

You've had COVID within the past three months.

You "feel that getting a second booster now would make you not want to get another booster in the future," either because "a second booster may be more important in fall of 2022" or because "a new vaccine for a future COVID-19 variant" could become available.

But cases are surging now, months before fall 2022 so is it a good idea to get a second booster now? Yes, Wohl said.

"I feel people should not wait to get the booster that they are eligible for," he said.

"Boosters make a difference and waiting to get the shot and allow for a surge now because of wanting to be protected later from a surge that may happen does not make sense," Wohl said. "There is a lot of COVID-19 being transmitted right now."

In particular, Wohl said people who are 70 and older "are particularly at risk" and should get their second booster shot immediately.

And even if you've had COVID in the past few weeks, Wohl still advises you get a booster when eligible, though if "they wanted to wait a month or so, I would not argue (much) with them," he said.

As the CDC suggests in their guidance, "better vaccines in terms of durability and protection against variants are very likely," Wohl said, but that shouldn't keep you from getting a second booster now, if you're eligible.

In talking about how long a second booster dose will be effective in fighting the virus, Wohl cited data from Israel, where adults ages 60 and older were given a fourth dose of the Pfizer vaccine.

The fourth shot, or second booster, "added extra protection against serious COVID-19 and this was still evident months after the shot," Wohl said, while "protection from mild, symptomatic infection waned after about a month and a half after the fourth shot."

"So, a fourth shot protects for a while from getting even a bit sick and longer term from getting really sick," Wohl said. "This is why people should get a booster now to protect them during this surge."

Get this...

The "global security" think tank NTI ran an "exercise" in March of 2021, which "simulates" a Monkeypox outbreak beginning on May 15, 2022 and then escalating over the course of the next year and a half, with one scenario having 271 million worldwide deaths by December of 2023.

Here is the report:

https://www.nti.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/NTI_Paper_BIO-TTX_Final.pdf

See page 12 of the report with the timeline:

And don't forget that Bill Gates' Foundation in partnership with the World Economic Forum ran a "drill" or "simulation" called Event 201 in October of 2019, of a "global pandemic" of a "novel coronavirus modeled on SARS" that "came from bats".

https://www.centerforhealthsecurity.org/event201/scenario.html

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Event 201 simulates an outbreak of a novel zoonotic coronavirus transmitted from bats to pigs to people that eventually becomes efficiently transmissible from person to person, leading to a severe pandemic. The pathogen and the disease it causes are modeled largely on SARS, but it is more transmissible in the community setting by people with mild symptoms.

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Are these people clairvoyant?

Or are these elites connected with powerful people who are deliberately causing these "predicted" events?

"SUMMARY In March 2021, NTI partnered with the Munich Security Conference to conduct a tabletop exercise on reducing high-consequence biological threats. The exercise examined gaps in national and international biosecurity and pandemic preparedness architecturesexploring opportunities to improve prevention and response capabilities for high-consequence biological events. This report summarizes the exercise scenario, key findings from the discussion, and actionable recommendations for the international community."

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