I get that you don't think the case rates and other metrics were valuable, those who were attempting to make decisions did seem to value it in most cases. So with that I don't think there's anything nefarious with case counts plummeting and vaccination rates higher than they've been in the past, that they drop most of the requirements.

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Whoops, sorry, thought I was in the thread where we post stuff about COVID

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Apology accepted.

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Case levels down to levels we had in October (< 70k), just FYI

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Barring a turn around, by date collected this week could be the lowest in NC since July.

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Wayland, I don't follow this topic that much, but are they still mainly using the PCR tests for the testing? If so then the data is worthless.

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It is probably about 75-80% PCR and 20-25% Antigen as far as identified cases. But, PCR does have a potential of long tail.

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Thanks. I guess you are saying that their is potential for spikes that may not actually be there.

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I mean, I think there could be still some sort of spring bump. I guess we'll know in the next few weeks... but it is what it is. As long as we can get the public health and media chicken littles to not panic... things will be fine.

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Thanks. I guess you are saying that their is potential for spikes that may not actually be there.

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I mean, I think there could be still some sort of spring bump. I guess we'll know in the next few weeks... but it is what it is. As long as we can get the public health and media chicken littles to not panic... things will be fine.

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I also feel like people just won't really worry about getting tested anymore. I know that will be very low on my priority list.

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I get that you don't think the case rates and other metrics were valuable, those who were attempting to make decisions did seem to value it in most cases. So with that I don't think there's anything nefarious with case counts plummeting and vaccination rates higher than they've been in the past, that they drop most of the requirements.

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No, it wasn't political or nefarious at all. It was all science.

Daviewolf83 said:

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Something else the mainstream media and the CDC/health policy experts never accepted is the protection one gets from previous infection. A couple of months ago, I posted a study out of Israel that showed immunity from past infection is real and is stronger than immunity from vaccination. Here is a report of another study that shows antibody production is stronger from natural infection than it is from vaccination. Yet, many areas implemented vaccine passports that completely ignored the protection one has from natural infection.

Antibodies derived from natural COVID infection are more abundant and at least 10x more potent than immunity generated by vaccination alone. That’s not something we should ignore, scientists say. https://t.co/VP6hExG8EY pic.twitter.com/7iOPk8iK6H

— Medscape (@Medscape) March 1, 2022

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Do you think the pace we created a vaccine had an impact on immunity from vaccines? Is anyone taking the time to develop a better vaccine?

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I get that you don't think the case rates and other metrics were valuable, those who were attempting to make decisions did seem to value it in most cases. So with that I don't think there's anything nefarious with case counts plummeting and vaccination rates higher than they've been in the past, that they drop most of the requirements.

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Metrics are only as good as the information put into them and it is clear that the information that has led to those rates is very flawed.

At the end of the day, if the CDC or whoever wants to put out "guidance" about COVID the same way they do medium-rare steak, cookie dough as well sushi and other things about which they are absurdly overly-cautious that is fine. When that guidance starts getting codified into laws and regulations is where I have a problem.

It is not the job of the CDC, State of NC, or any other state agency to make my personal risk assessments for me. Anyone who thinks it is (I'm not saying that you do) has a fundamental misunderstand of what governments are for or for that matter, capable of. "Things you do affect others" Yeah, and by that logic there is no amount of arbitrary government control over people's life that cannot be justified. The line I draw is well short of where we are right now, personally.

And why drop "most" of the requirements instead of all of them? Particularly considering the requirements at issue ave been shown to be of extremely marginal effectiveness at best. I suspect it is because governments don't let a crisis go to waste, that doesn't make anything a conspiracy, everyone responds to incentives.

We will find out that the biological weapons labs in Ukraine are similar settings but much more diabolical than what occurred at the Wuhan lab. The synthetic viruses being prepared in Ukraine were to attack Slavic people and other genetic types. The Cabal will be found to be behind both and that's who is entrenched in Ukraine. The truth will come

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I argued when vaccines became available that measuring and reporting cases was not important. The mainstream media chose to report cases, since they did not understand how vaccines work. Cases pre-vaccine are not the same as cases post-vaccine, but the media never adjusted to this reality. They also never figured out age stratification as it related to cases and in particular, cases among children. They treated pediatric cases and elderly cases the same in their reporting.

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While I agree with most of this, I don't believe that media outlets kept reporting cases for that reason.

It is obvious that the incentives for the media are clicks/shares/engagement because that drives ad revenue and subscriptions. Salacious headlines and stories that a) scare people or b) make them angry drive the most engagement and therefore are going to be incentivized. The way I know this is because there is a game with statistics where you can report a gross number (i.e. new # of positives) or a % increase. Throughout the pandemic you could count on corporate media outlets to report whichever number was higher: i.e. 1000 new cases (in a city of a million, for example) or 300% increase in hospitalizations (10 to 30).

My other favorite was "unvaccinated people are however many times more likely than vaccinated to get COVID/be hospitalized/die" while using numbers that included cases/etc from before vaccines were available and nobody could get them. Doing it that way significantly increases the spread between the two for obvious reasons.

And, I have to say again, "cases" and "hospitalizations" have been shown to be unreliable metrics to begin with because of flawed testing as well as incidental hospitalizations being lumped in with people who are in the hospital principally for COVID, in both cases the errors only go in one direction.

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Thanks. I guess you are saying that their is potential for spikes that may not actually be there.

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I mean, I think there could be still some sort of spring bump. I guess we'll know in the next few weeks... but it is what it is. As long as we can get the public health and media chicken littles to not panic... things will be fine.

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I also feel like people just won't really worry about getting tested anymore. I know that will be very low on my priority list.

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How many times did you get tested in the last 2 years?

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I get that you don't think the case rates and other metrics were valuable, those who were attempting to make decisions did seem to value it in most cases. So with that I don't think there's anything nefarious with case counts plummeting and vaccination rates higher than they've been in the past, that they drop most of the requirements.

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No, it wasn't political or nefarious at all. It was all science.

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He needs to square it in his mind "just enough" so that he can continue to defend those woke talking points.

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Something else the mainstream media and the CDC/health policy experts never accepted is the protection one gets from previous infection. A couple of months ago, I posted a study out of Israel that showed immunity from past infection is real and is stronger than immunity from vaccination. Here is a report of another study that shows antibody production is stronger from natural infection than it is from vaccination. Yet, many areas implemented vaccine passports that completely ignored the protection one has from natural infection.

Antibodies derived from natural COVID infection are more abundant and at least 10x more potent than immunity generated by vaccination alone. That’s not something we should ignore, scientists say. https://t.co/VP6hExG8EY pic.twitter.com/7iOPk8iK6H

— Medscape (@Medscape) March 1, 2022

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Do you think the pace we created a vaccine had an impact on immunity from vaccines? Is anyone taking the time to develop a better vaccine?

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Here comes some more woke excuse making.

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Daviewolf83 said:

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Something else the mainstream media and the CDC/health policy experts never accepted is the protection one gets from previous infection. A couple of months ago, I posted a study out of Israel that showed immunity from past infection is real and is stronger than immunity from vaccination. Here is a report of another study that shows antibody production is stronger from natural infection than it is from vaccination. Yet, many areas implemented vaccine passports that completely ignored the protection one has from natural infection.

Antibodies derived from natural COVID infection are more abundant and at least 10x more potent than immunity generated by vaccination alone. That’s not something we should ignore, scientists say. https://t.co/VP6hExG8EY pic.twitter.com/7iOPk8iK6H

— Medscape (@Medscape) March 1, 2022

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Do you think the pace we created a vaccine had an impact on immunity from vaccines? Is anyone taking the time to develop a better vaccine?

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Here comes some more woke excuse making.

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I am far from woke. Travel all over the world and deal with a number of different countries policies. So thought I would ask someone who I appreciate their contribution on this site what their thoughts are on the vaccine.

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TheStorm said:

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Cthepack said:

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Daviewolf83 said:

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Something else the mainstream media and the CDC/health policy experts never accepted is the protection one gets from previous infection. A couple of months ago, I posted a study out of Israel that showed immunity from past infection is real and is stronger than immunity from vaccination. Here is a report of another study that shows antibody production is stronger from natural infection than it is from vaccination. Yet, many areas implemented vaccine passports that completely ignored the protection one has from natural infection.

Antibodies derived from natural COVID infection are more abundant and at least 10x more potent than immunity generated by vaccination alone. That’s not something we should ignore, scientists say. https://t.co/VP6hExG8EY pic.twitter.com/7iOPk8iK6H

— Medscape (@Medscape) March 1, 2022

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Do you think the pace we created a vaccine had an impact on immunity from vaccines? Is anyone taking the time to develop a better vaccine?

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Here comes some more woke excuse making.

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I am far from woke. Travel all over the world and deal with a number of different countries policies. So thought I would ask someone who I appreciate their contribution on this site what their thoughts are on the vaccine.

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OK, I'll withdraw my comment then based on your above response... it was strongly based upon your opinions in your normal posts on the site, but I'll acknowledge that there could be a separation on ones sports-based opinions v. political-based opinions. If I'm wrong, then I'm wrong...

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Natural and/or acquired immunities are established principles in Immunology, and yet, you'd think that medicine just discovered it as a concept.

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Right. For those of us who actually had measles, mumps, rubella and chicken pox, nobody suggested we should get the vaccinations.

With respect to the shingles vaccines, will those still be recommended for people who had the vaccine instead of chicken pox? Anybody know? I always heard that the reason you get shingles is because the chicken pox virus lies dormant in your body until something sets it off after you get older.

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I get that you don't think the case rates and other metrics were valuable, those who were attempting to make decisions did seem to value it in most cases. So with that I don't think there's anything nefarious with case counts plummeting and vaccination rates higher than they've been in the past, that they drop most of the requirements.

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No, it wasn't political or nefarious at all. It was all science.

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He needs to square it in his mind "just enough" so that he can continue to defend those woke talking points.

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I think I got tested 5 or 6 times. I had COVID in December 2020 so didn't really have any need to.

You seem to have a hard-on for calling me woke or anything along those lines. More power to you, whatever gets you excited in the morning.

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Oldsouljer said:

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Natural and/or acquired immunities are established principles in Immunology, and yet, you'd think that medicine just discovered it as a concept.

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Right. For those of us who actually had measles, mumps, rubella and chicken pox, nobody suggested we should get the vaccinations.

With respect to the shingles vaccines, will those still be recommended for people who had the vaccine instead of chicken pox? Anybody know? I always heard that the reason you get shingles is because the chicken pox virus lies dormant in your body until something sets it off after you get older.

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At this time, Shingrix is still recommended even if not having Chicken Pox as a child. Shingles is considered contagious during the blister phase of the rash.

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statefan91 said:

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I get that you don't think the case rates and other metrics were valuable, those who were attempting to make decisions did seem to value it in most cases. So with that I don't think there's anything nefarious with case counts plummeting and vaccination rates higher than they've been in the past, that they drop most of the requirements.

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No, it wasn't political or nefarious at all. It was all science.

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He needs to square it in his mind "just enough" so that he can continue to defend those woke talking points.

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I think I got tested 5 or 6 times. I had COVID in December 2020 so didn't really have any need to.

You seem to have a hard-on for calling me woke or anything along those lines. More power to you, whatever gets you excited in the morning.

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Thanks for proving my point.

Great news for Durham.

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Oldsouljer said:

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Natural and/or acquired immunities are established principles in Immunology, and yet, you'd think that medicine just discovered it as a concept.

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Right. For those of us who actually had measles, mumps, rubella and chicken pox, nobody suggested we should get the vaccinations.

With respect to the shingles vaccines, will those still be recommended for people who had the vaccine instead of chicken pox? Anybody know? I always heard that the reason you get shingles is because the chicken pox virus lies dormant in your body until something sets it off after you get older.

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At this time, Shingrix is still recommended even if not having Chicken Pox as a child. Shingles is considered contagious during the blister phase of the rash.

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Thanks. We've had both of the shingles vaccines. I was thinking more about our kids and whether they'd need them when they reach the applicable age.

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Oldsouljer said:

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Natural and/or acquired immunities are established principles in Immunology, and yet, you'd think that medicine just discovered it as a concept.

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Right. For those of us who actually had measles, mumps, rubella and chicken pox, nobody suggested we should get the vaccinations.

With respect to the shingles vaccines, will those still be recommended for people who had the vaccine instead of chicken pox? Anybody know? I always heard that the reason you get shingles is because the chicken pox virus lies dormant in your body until something sets it off after you get older.

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At this time, Shingrix is still recommended even if not having Chicken Pox as a child. Shingles is considered contagious during the blister phase of the rash.

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Thanks. We've had both of the shingles vaccines. I was thinking more about our kids and whether they'd need them when they reach the applicable age.

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Like many, I had the pox when very young. The discomfort of that was one thing but Shingles is quite another, and so I wasted no time getting vaxxed for that.

For ****s and giggles I ordered those free COVID tests from the government back in January.

They got here today!!

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For ****s and giggles I ordered those free COVID tests from the government back in January.

They got here today!!

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I ordered them as well, thinking my wife would need them for work. She didn't. They're in our closet. I imagine they will stay there until my Yankee family visit, or we clean out the closet.

Neither of us have taken a test throughout the entire pandemic, as neither of us have ever had anything other than a sniffle. She's a teacher too. Super antibodies in this family.

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PackMom said:

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Oldsouljer said:

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Natural and/or acquired immunities are established principles in Immunology, and yet, you'd think that medicine just discovered it as a concept.

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Right. For those of us who actually had measles, mumps, rubella and chicken pox, nobody suggested we should get the vaccinations.

With respect to the shingles vaccines, will those still be recommended for people who had the vaccine instead of chicken pox? Anybody know? I always heard that the reason you get shingles is because the chicken pox virus lies dormant in your body until something sets it off after you get older.

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At this time, Shingrix is still recommended even if not having Chicken Pox as a child. Shingles is considered contagious during the blister phase of the rash.

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Thanks. We've had both of the shingles vaccines. I was thinking more about our kids and whether they'd need them when they reach the applicable age.

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Yes ma'am. We will see what the recommendation is as they get older, but as of right now, yes.

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Daviewolf83 said:

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Something else the mainstream media and the CDC/health policy experts never accepted is the protection one gets from previous infection. A couple of months ago, I posted a study out of Israel that showed immunity from past infection is real and is stronger than immunity from vaccination. Here is a report of another study that shows antibody production is stronger from natural infection than it is from vaccination. Yet, many areas implemented vaccine passports that completely ignored the protection one has from natural infection.

Antibodies derived from natural COVID infection are more abundant and at least 10x more potent than immunity generated by vaccination alone. That’s not something we should ignore, scientists say. https://t.co/VP6hExG8EY pic.twitter.com/7iOPk8iK6H

— Medscape (@Medscape) March 1, 2022

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Do you think the pace we created a vaccine had an impact on immunity from vaccines? Is anyone taking the time to develop a better vaccine?

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Here comes some more woke excuse making.

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I am far from woke. Travel all over the world and deal with a number of different countries policies. So thought I would ask someone who I appreciate their contribution on this site what their thoughts are on the vaccine.

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OK, I'll withdraw my comment then based on your above response... it was strongly based upon your opinions in your normal posts on the site, but I'll acknowledge that there could be a separation on ones sports-based opinions v. political-based opinions. If I'm wrong, then I'm wrong...

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I have no idea where you would think my sports posts make me woke. Just to see what your reply is I have been tested well over 100 times the past two years. Have had 3 serology tests and am fully vaccinated. What is your issue with people being tested?

Cthepack said:

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TheStorm said:

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Cthepack said:

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TheStorm said:

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Cthepack said:

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Daviewolf83 said:

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Something else the mainstream media and the CDC/health policy experts never accepted is the protection one gets from previous infection. A couple of months ago, I posted a study out of Israel that showed immunity from past infection is real and is stronger than immunity from vaccination. Here is a report of another study that shows antibody production is stronger from natural infection than it is from vaccination. Yet, many areas implemented vaccine passports that completely ignored the protection one has from natural infection.

Antibodies derived from natural COVID infection are more abundant and at least 10x more potent than immunity generated by vaccination alone. That’s not something we should ignore, scientists say. https://t.co/VP6hExG8EY pic.twitter.com/7iOPk8iK6H

— Medscape (@Medscape) March 1, 2022

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Do you think the pace we created a vaccine had an impact on immunity from vaccines? Is anyone taking the time to develop a better vaccine?

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Here comes some more woke excuse making.

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I am far from woke. Travel all over the world and deal with a number of different countries policies. So thought I would ask someone who I appreciate their contribution on this site what their thoughts are on the vaccine.

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OK, I'll withdraw my comment then based on your above response... it was strongly based upon your opinions in your normal posts on the site, but I'll acknowledge that there could be a separation on ones sports-based opinions v. political-based opinions. If I'm wrong, then I'm wrong...

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I have no idea where you would think my sports posts make me woke. Just to see what your reply is I have been tested well over 100 times the past two years. Have had 3 serology tests and am fully vaccinated. What is your issue with people being tested?

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If you were required to be tested for your employment, that's one thing... if you tested for any other reason, then maybe my first post was spot on to begin with. Fortunately, I'm in a situation where I can pretty much work for whoever I want and not have to put up with such manufactured nonsense.

I'll leave it at that for now...

TheStorm said:

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Cthepack said:

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TheStorm said:

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Cthepack said:

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TheStorm said:

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Cthepack said:

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Daviewolf83 said:

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Something else the mainstream media and the CDC/health policy experts never accepted is the protection one gets from previous infection. A couple of months ago, I posted a study out of Israel that showed immunity from past infection is real and is stronger than immunity from vaccination. Here is a report of another study that shows antibody production is stronger from natural infection than it is from vaccination. Yet, many areas implemented vaccine passports that completely ignored the protection one has from natural infection.

Antibodies derived from natural COVID infection are more abundant and at least 10x more potent than immunity generated by vaccination alone. That’s not something we should ignore, scientists say. https://t.co/VP6hExG8EY pic.twitter.com/7iOPk8iK6H

— Medscape (@Medscape) March 1, 2022

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Do you think the pace we created a vaccine had an impact on immunity from vaccines? Is anyone taking the time to develop a better vaccine?

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Here comes some more woke excuse making.

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I am far from woke. Travel all over the world and deal with a number of different countries policies. So thought I would ask someone who I appreciate their contribution on this site what their thoughts are on the vaccine.

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OK, I'll withdraw my comment then based on your above response... it was strongly based upon your opinions in your normal posts on the site, but I'll acknowledge that there could be a separation on ones sports-based opinions v. political-based opinions. If I'm wrong, then I'm wrong...

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I have no idea where you would think my sports posts make me woke. Just to see what your reply is I have been tested well over 100 times the past two years. Have had 3 serology tests and am fully vaccinated. What is your issue with people being tested?

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If you were required to be tested for your employment, that's one thing... if you tested for any other reason, then maybe my first post was spot on to begin with. Fortunately, I'm in a situation where I can pretty much work for whoever I want and not have to put up with such manufactured nonsense.

I'll leave it at that for now...

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I also work for myself. I travel the world with my job. Required to test to get into most countries. What's the big deal? Hell I flew from the US to Japan on my way to Singapore and got sent home because the test was not exactly how Japan thought it should be documented. 48 Hours later finally in Singapore but had to fly through the Mid East. Took a couple more tests on the way. Lots of countries require me to test while I am there. Again what is the big deal with testing? Do I believe the tests are the end all and 100% accurate. Nope. But if I am required to take them I do.