Brutal to listen to so far.Daviewolf83 said:
The OSHA vaccine mandate case is now being heard by the Supreme Court. If you are interested in listening to oral arguments, you can do so at the following link. In early discussion, it seems clear some of the justices are leaning toward NOT issuing a stay of the order.
Supreme Court Live Oral Argument
I agree. I have it running in the background while I am working. Kagan and Sotomayor are just making up facts to suit their views. I heard her say the 100,000 number and just shook my head. The lawyer she was questioning was using real data in his answers to her and she countered with a completely fabricated number to argue against him. When people lie to make an argument, they should lose the argument.Wayland said:Brutal to listen to so far.Daviewolf83 said:
The OSHA vaccine mandate case is now being heard by the Supreme Court. If you are interested in listening to oral arguments, you can do so at the following link. In early discussion, it seems clear some of the justices are leaning toward NOT issuing a stay of the order.
Supreme Court Live Oral Argument
Justices are old. They appear out of touch with the actual data.
Something happen with the mics?
Holy **** "Why is a human not like a machine when it is spewing bloodborne viruses?" -Sotomayor
Kagan and Sotomayor scare me right now.
"100,000 children in serious condition and on ventilators" <- *** world do these justices live in.
Daviewolf83 said:I agree. I have it running in the background while I am working. Kagan and Sotomayor are just making up facts to suit their views. I heard her say the 100,000 number and just shook my head. The lawyer she was questioning was using real data in his answers to her and she countered with a completely fabricated number to argue against him. When people lie to make an argument, they should lose the argument.Wayland said:Brutal to listen to so far.Daviewolf83 said:
The OSHA vaccine mandate case is now being heard by the Supreme Court. If you are interested in listening to oral arguments, you can do so at the following link. In early discussion, it seems clear some of the justices are leaning toward NOT issuing a stay of the order.
Supreme Court Live Oral Argument
Justices are old. They appear out of touch with the actual data.
Something happen with the mics?
Holy **** "Why is a human not like a machine when it is spewing bloodborne viruses?" -Sotomayor
Kagan and Sotomayor scare me right now.
"100,000 children in serious condition and on ventilators" <- *** world do these justices live in.
Wayland said:
New York just put out their first WITH/FOR hospital data.
Statewide 42% WITH, 58% FOR.
NYC 50/50
RunsWithWolves26 said:Wayland said:
New York just put out their first WITH/FOR hospital data.
Statewide 42% WITH, 58% FOR.
NYC 50/50
That could change the outlook on things for sure. Wonder why it took 2 years to do this?
I doubt it will, unfortunately. Based on the questions and made-up facts by some of the Supreme Court today, I am afraid the narratives and false information is more prevalent than most of us realize. It is shaping thoughts and behaviors in the US and it is not for the better.RunsWithWolves26 said:Wayland said:
New York just put out their first WITH/FOR hospital data.
Statewide 42% WITH, 58% FOR.
NYC 50/50
That could change the outlook on things for sure. Wonder why it took 2 years to do this?
It was frightening to hear Sotomayor spew out nonsense COVID statistics. Mainstream media is bad enough.Daviewolf83 said:I doubt it will, unfortunately. Based on the questions and made-up facts by some of the Supreme Court today, I am afraid the narratives and false information is more prevalent than most of us realize. It is shaping thoughts and behaviors in the US and it is not for the better.RunsWithWolves26 said:Wayland said:
New York just put out their first WITH/FOR hospital data.
Statewide 42% WITH, 58% FOR.
NYC 50/50
That could change the outlook on things for sure. Wonder why it took 2 years to do this?
The trend we are seeing in NY is playing out around the country, but the mainstream media was been very slow to report it. We have local media focused solely on Cases, so I have chosen to respond to their negative Tweets with more positive trends. Just yesterday, I responded to dire headlines on hospitalizations with my graph on deaths this Winter Wave compared to last Winter Wave. While a few appreciated it, one person took issue with it, since we have be more concerned about "long-Covid."
"Long-Covid" is a mask the "zero-Covid" followers wear. They hide behind it to argue that every Case of Covid has the potential to cause a person issues for years and even decades. To a "long-Covid" disciple, there are no off-ramps. They really believe Covid-19 can be controlled and eventually eradicated. Anyone who does not have their same level of concern and zeal for eradication is bad and an accomplice in future deaths of people from Covid. They refuse to acknowledge that Covid-19 is endemic and is NEVER going away. Covid has found a home in other animal species (deer as an example) and it is for this reason, it can NEVER be eradicated. To a "long-Covid" person, we must take vaccinations every 4 or 5 months and wear a mask when around others. To now do so, means you just want your neighbors to die.
Cases in Marin County, CA have risen 2,233% in the past month and a half despite mask mandates and the highest vaccination rate of any large US county, but at least all of The Experts™ are still spreading misinformation that mask mandates and vaccine passports work pic.twitter.com/INbOqjsuON
— IM (@ianmSC) January 7, 2022
Daviewolf83 said:
Some good news to start the morning. The percentage of hospitalized Covid patients in ICU continues to fall. The 14-day average has declined from 24% to 23% in just one week. This is the LOWEST it has been, since NCDHHS has been reporting the data.
Additionally, the percentage of hospitalized Covid patients on ventilators also continues to fall, as you can see from the attached chart. The percentage is now down to 12% and I do expect this number to continue to fall, as Omicron patients become the majority of those who are hospitalized.
This is news you will not get from your local mainstream media. They will continue to focus on cases and how bad everything is going with the Covid pandemic.
Interesting, using the CDC/HHS data the only age groups that are being admitted at a higher rate than their summer 2022 peak are 18-29 and over 70.dogplasma said:Daviewolf83 said:
Some good news to start the morning. The percentage of hospitalized Covid patients in ICU continues to fall. The 14-day average has declined from 24% to 23% in just one week. This is the LOWEST it has been, since NCDHHS has been reporting the data.
Additionally, the percentage of hospitalized Covid patients on ventilators also continues to fall, as you can see from the attached chart. The percentage is now down to 12% and I do expect this number to continue to fall, as Omicron patients become the majority of those who are hospitalized.
This is news you will not get from your local mainstream media. They will continue to focus on cases and how bad everything is going with the Covid pandemic.
Well, the N&O is at least one local source reporting it. The headline on today's paper is "NC hospitals see more COVID patients but fewer in ICUs". For those that don't read the N&O, the article reports that "COVID-19 hospitalizations have soared in recent weeks, from fewer than 1,100 statewide in mid November to 3,099 on Wednesday, according to the state Department of Health and Human Services. But only about 20% of those patients were in an intensive care unit, down from nearly a third in late October. The portion of COVID-19 patients needing a ventilator has dropped, too, from 24% in late October to 13% now."
Wayland said:Brutal to listen to so far.Daviewolf83 said:
The OSHA vaccine mandate case is now being heard by the Supreme Court. If you are interested in listening to oral arguments, you can do so at the following link. In early discussion, it seems clear some of the justices are leaning toward NOT issuing a stay of the order.
Supreme Court Live Oral Argument
Justices are old. They appear out of touch with the actual data.
Something happen with the mics?
Holy **** "Why is a human not like a machine when it is spewing bloodborne viruses?" -Sotomayor
Kagan and Sotomayor scare me right now.
"100,000 children in serious condition and on ventilators" <- *** world do these justices live in.
Wouldn't you rather not have a mandate for any free American? Or should Federal GOVT workers be the only ones given such an option............as currently Congress and employees of the Vaccine manufacturer do?Oldsouljer said:I wish they'd knock down his mandate for executive branch employees, I don't want the choice of a booster or early retirement.Daviewolf83 said:The case is supposed to go before the Supreme court this week and the court has said they will fast-track a decision. Most legal experts believe the court will strike it down and a decision could come fairly quickly. It is one of two cases the court will be hearing. There is a similar ruling that is also going before the court this week and legal experts are expecting a similar outcome.Steve Williams said:
The employee mandates for companies with over 100 workers, is that still a go?
One policy that applies to Federal contractors and is the one my company falls under, is not going before the court this week. It is still going through the courts and last I checked, a stay had been issued and the Biden administration is appealing.
The following article provides a good summation of the arguments against the two policies:
SCOTUS Should Nix Biden's Vaccine Mandates
Suggested reading for you my friend, as a start:Bas2020 said:
So get the booster now or wait until the next round of boosters that may be more effective given the change in strain?
Kagan: “the government is paying for the medical services so they have the right to dictate details of those services”
— Dr. Benjamin Braddock (@GraduatedBen) January 7, 2022
Agree. Scary that someone that high up would say that. But nothing surprises me anymore.FlossyDFlynt said:
This is coming off Twitter and I admittedly didnt follow the proceeding yesterday, but holy ****Kagan: “the government is paying for the medical services so they have the right to dictate details of those services”
— Dr. Benjamin Braddock (@GraduatedBen) January 7, 2022
That is an absolutely terrifying statement from a Supreme Court Justice.
Its also exhibit A of why the government should NEVER control healthcare
Please, please do NOT buy into this.
— Meaghan Kall (@kallmemeg) January 8, 2022
This thread - on the damage of COVID infection - has one purpose: to induce fear.
It’s not good science or good public health messaging now that we have vaccines.
Worst of all it’s outdated. Nearly every study cited is from pre-vaccines 💉 https://t.co/WU91WraSlp
What's the name of the country in yellow?
— 𝙈𝙖𝙧𝙩𝙞𝙣 𝙁𝙖𝙧𝙣𝙚𝙡𝙡 (@timpers7) January 8, 2022
I bet they had very strict lockdowns to achieve this outcome. pic.twitter.com/fg0chnVZuC
Quote:
covid policy is these two things crashing into one another.
it's the mass psychology of the stock market colliding with the epidemiological gompertz pattern of viral spread and attenuation and just as in the other cases, it tends to get worst right before it starts getting better.
they key difference here is that disease has an exogenous pattern that drives human response, not a human emotional pattern that drives outward effects (like a market crash) so you cannot change the curves based on what you do, but you do tend to change what you do based on the input from the curve.
gompertz equations are complex multifactorials and i won't bore you with them beyond a couple key salients:
[ol]they are the model by which epidemics work they are easy, in early stages, to mistake for undamped exponential functions, but they are not. they rapidly attenuate and self limit at the top. always. this is an intrinsic function of immunity development and vulnerable population depletion. [/ol]so you get a curve that looks like this:
the blue curve is a growth function, the red curve is how actual population dynamics (active cases) play out.
the problem, of course, is that this curve goes steepest right before it flattens out sharply. and that's right when humans panic because they cannot wrap their heads around damped functions. they just see exponential growth.
2 becomes 4. no big deal.
4 becomes 8. yawn.
8 becomes 16. huh.
16 becomes 32. wait, what?
32 becomes 64. oh no!
you get the picture.
what's interesting is then 64 becomes 110. growth is slowing. but humans don't see that. they see a rise of 46, more that the last rise of 32. they think it's getting worse, but it's already getting better. and THIS is when they panic.
Steve Videtich said:
30 day public mask mandate started last night in Salt Lake County. Numbers are peaking, just like everywhere. I don't understand the mandate. If they're following the science, numbers should come down naturally. Why mask now? Just to appease ask the Cali transplants?
It is the fallacy of "control" when it comes to a endemic, highly infectious, airborne virus. Just ask them if they were able to prevent "catching a cold" in the past. We are dealing with a virus that spreads as easily, if not more easily than the common cold. You can practice all of the recommended steps (vaccination, wear a mask, stay away from people), but you will eventually become infected.wilmwolf80 said:
Interesting to me, a few of the scared mom, kids need to be vaxxed, if you don't wear a mask you'll kill your grandma types in my social circle have gotten Rona in their households recently. I'm interested to see how they reconcile this with their beliefs, since at least one of these people has basically been a shut-in for two years.
Wayland said:Steve Videtich said:
30 day public mask mandate started last night in Salt Lake County. Numbers are peaking, just like everywhere. I don't understand the mandate. If they're following the science, numbers should come down naturally. Why mask now? Just to appease ask the Cali transplants?
Basically what the link I just posted talks about.
Human panic and then attributing the decline to the mandate when case curve was already slowing.
I hate that the current NC data is corrupted by not 1 but 2 holiday disruptions, but it LOOKS like the growth rate has already started decreasing here as well. That certainly could just be holiday patterns mucking things up.
PH and policymakers need the theater to make it look like they are 'doing something'.
Daviewolf83 said:I agree. I have it running in the background while I am working. Kagan and Sotomayor are just making up facts to suit their views. I heard her say the 100,000 number and just shook my head. The lawyer she was questioning was using real data in his answers to her and she countered with a completely fabricated number to argue against him. When people lie to make an argument, they should lose the argument.Wayland said:Brutal to listen to so far.Daviewolf83 said:
The OSHA vaccine mandate case is now being heard by the Supreme Court. If you are interested in listening to oral arguments, you can do so at the following link. In early discussion, it seems clear some of the justices are leaning toward NOT issuing a stay of the order.
Supreme Court Live Oral Argument
Justices are old. They appear out of touch with the actual data.
Something happen with the mics?
Holy **** "Why is a human not like a machine when it is spewing bloodborne viruses?" -Sotomayor
Kagan and Sotomayor scare me right now.
"100,000 children in serious condition and on ventilators" <- *** world do these justices live in.
Wayland said:Daviewolf83 said:I agree. I have it running in the background while I am working. Kagan and Sotomayor are just making up facts to suit their views. I heard her say the 100,000 number and just shook my head. The lawyer she was questioning was using real data in his answers to her and she countered with a completely fabricated number to argue against him. When people lie to make an argument, they should lose the argument.Wayland said:Brutal to listen to so far.Daviewolf83 said:
The OSHA vaccine mandate case is now being heard by the Supreme Court. If you are interested in listening to oral arguments, you can do so at the following link. In early discussion, it seems clear some of the justices are leaning toward NOT issuing a stay of the order.
Supreme Court Live Oral Argument
Justices are old. They appear out of touch with the actual data.
Something happen with the mics?
Holy **** "Why is a human not like a machine when it is spewing bloodborne viruses?" -Sotomayor
Kagan and Sotomayor scare me right now.
"100,000 children in serious condition and on ventilators" <- *** world do these justices live in.Justice Sotomayor, who participated in yesterday’s SCOTUS arguments remotely from her chambers, seen last night at Le Diplomate with Speaker Pelosi, Senate Majority Leader Schumer and Sens. Klobuchar and Durban, per Politico. pic.twitter.com/hAdULQjVOI
— Katherine Doyle (@katiadoyl) January 8, 2022
If this is true (unfortunately pic is only of back of her head). This is literally the **** that drives me nuts. She couldn't come out of her office to sit in a room of fully vaxxed, probably mostly boosted, and most certainly tested individuals for arguments.
But then goes out to dinner with her friends. Seriously, F off.
If you are at risk and want to engage in behavior to mitigate that. I totally get that and understand... but at least be consistent, especially when you are vomiting misinformation from the bench of our highest court.
There are no conspiracies; but, there are no coincidences…Everpack said:Wayland said:Daviewolf83 said:I agree. I have it running in the background while I am working. Kagan and Sotomayor are just making up facts to suit their views. I heard her say the 100,000 number and just shook my head. The lawyer she was questioning was using real data in his answers to her and she countered with a completely fabricated number to argue against him. When people lie to make an argument, they should lose the argument.Wayland said:Brutal to listen to so far.Daviewolf83 said:
The OSHA vaccine mandate case is now being heard by the Supreme Court. If you are interested in listening to oral arguments, you can do so at the following link. In early discussion, it seems clear some of the justices are leaning toward NOT issuing a stay of the order.
Supreme Court Live Oral Argument
Justices are old. They appear out of touch with the actual data.
Something happen with the mics?
Holy **** "Why is a human not like a machine when it is spewing bloodborne viruses?" -Sotomayor
Kagan and Sotomayor scare me right now.
"100,000 children in serious condition and on ventilators" <- *** world do these justices live in.Justice Sotomayor, who participated in yesterday’s SCOTUS arguments remotely from her chambers, seen last night at Le Diplomate with Speaker Pelosi, Senate Majority Leader Schumer and Sens. Klobuchar and Durban, per Politico. pic.twitter.com/hAdULQjVOI
— Katherine Doyle (@katiadoyl) January 8, 2022
If this is true (unfortunately pic is only of back of her head). This is literally the **** that drives me nuts. She couldn't come out of her office to sit in a room of fully vaxxed, probably mostly boosted, and most certainly tested individuals for arguments.
But then goes out to dinner with her friends. Seriously, F off.
If you are at risk and want to engage in behavior to mitigate that. I totally get that and understand... but at least be consistent, especially when you are vomiting misinformation from the bench of our highest court.
I just came here to post this.
I keep wanting to blame our current **** show on gross incompetence of these so called leaders. But they keep showing up doing this crap that flies in the face of all arguments. I hate to sound like some of our local conspiracy nuts, but you almost don't have a choice but to believe these people are just evil, power hungry creatures with an agenda.
Wayland said:Steve Videtich said:
30 day public mask mandate started last night in Salt Lake County. Numbers are peaking, just like everywhere. I don't understand the mandate. If they're following the science, numbers should come down naturally. Why mask now? Just to appease ask the Cali transplants?
Basically what the link I just posted talks about.
Human panic and then attributing the decline to the mandate when case curve was already slowing.
I hate that the current NC data is corrupted by not 1 but 2 holiday disruptions, but it LOOKS like the growth rate has already started decreasing here as well. That certainly could just be holiday patterns mucking things up.
PH and policymakers need the theater to make it look like they are 'doing something'.
That should not be in question, my point is, Civ Servants seems to legally have less legal say in the matter than the general population.Werewolf said:Wouldn't you rather not have a mandate for any free American? Or should Federal GOVT workers be the only ones given such an option............as currently Congress and employees of the Vaccine manufacturer do?Oldsouljer said:I wish they'd knock down his mandate for executive branch employees, I don't want the choice of a booster or early retirement.Daviewolf83 said:The case is supposed to go before the Supreme court this week and the court has said they will fast-track a decision. Most legal experts believe the court will strike it down and a decision could come fairly quickly. It is one of two cases the court will be hearing. There is a similar ruling that is also going before the court this week and legal experts are expecting a similar outcome.Steve Williams said:
The employee mandates for companies with over 100 workers, is that still a go?
One policy that applies to Federal contractors and is the one my company falls under, is not going before the court this week. It is still going through the courts and last I checked, a stay had been issued and the Biden administration is appealing.
The following article provides a good summation of the arguments against the two policies:
SCOTUS Should Nix Biden's Vaccine Mandates
