Science.Wayland said:
Seeing rumors that NY might start reporting WITH/FOR hospitalizations. Wonder what motivated them after two years?
People who are overweight or obese are at a much higher risk of much more severe disease and even death from Covid-19 -- and one new study suggests that losing weight can reduce that risk. https://t.co/fu40ixz0Fh
— CNN (@CNN) January 3, 2022
Danish study (preprint) finds the relative odds of household transmission of Omicron vs Delta increase with vaxx dosage. "Findings confirm the rapid spread of Omi can primarily be ascribed to immune evasiveness rather than an increase in transmissibility." https://t.co/YxZCPdp3yc pic.twitter.com/ynkjlTSUj4
— Don Wolt (@tlowdon) January 3, 2022
Vanden Bossche was interviewed and this was his greatest concern....his 1st interview on this back in April or so. His further concerns are for the evolution of a super-virus that would wipe out the entire human species. He as further voiced that an unvaccinated youth could likely provide the herd protection from such an occurrence.Wayland said:
Again, should be we BROADLY boosting with a wild-type vaccine in the face of Omicron? (If it actually will overtake Delta, should we pivot?)
And why doesn't public health seem to have this discussion openly? As the FDA pushes forward on wild-type boosters for 12-15 year olds?
It is strange to me that they can't stop the booster train.... even if it may not be effective and in fact may contribute to Omicron spread. I don't know if it does or not, but I keep seeing things like this and hearing anecdotally about boosted people catching COVID/Omicron.Danish study (preprint) finds the relative odds of household transmission of Omicron vs Delta increase with vaxx dosage. "Findings confirm the rapid spread of Omi can primarily be ascribed to immune evasiveness rather than an increase in transmissibility." https://t.co/YxZCPdp3yc pic.twitter.com/ynkjlTSUj4
— Don Wolt (@tlowdon) January 3, 2022
ASU wearing mask to wrestle… I’ve seen some dumb stuff, but this takes the cake.
— Thomas Gilman (@thomasgilmanusa) January 4, 2022
Here is one site I use estimate's based on variant tracking. It can give you a sense with how quickly Alpha or Delta moved in.statefan91 said:
Have variants pushed out the earlier versions as quickly in the past? That seems like a pretty significant jump for Omicron to displace Delta that quickly. Hopefully the lower hospitalization and death numbers continue as they have been.
dogplasma said:
FWIW, my friend's wife who works at Wake Med reports that they now have 111 Covid patients admitted. She says that's the first time Wake Med has ever topped 100 Covid patients. I didn't get ICU numbers so hopefully they aren't as extreme.
Based on the current percentage of Covid patients in ICU, I would estimate 25 of the 111 patients are in ICU. We have about a week left in the Winter Wave, when I project hospitalizations will peak. It is possible hospitalizations will reach the same level as last year's Winter Wave, but I think it is very unlikely. Based on what is being reported in the UK, where the Omicron driven Winter Wave began sooner than in the US, they have peaked and hospitalizations were roughly 50% of last year's Winter Wave amounts.dogplasma said:
FWIW, my friend's wife who works at Wake Med reports that they now have 111 Covid patients admitted. She says that's the first time Wake Med has ever topped 100 Covid patients. I didn't get ICU numbers so hopefully they aren't as extreme.
NEW: first thread of 2022 is an Omicron situation update, starting with a detailed look at UK hospitals, before going international.
— John Burn-Murdoch (@jburnmurdoch) January 4, 2022
Let’s start with severity, and the most important chart:
Despite steep rises in cases and patients, the number on ventilators has barely risen. pic.twitter.com/p1mzD7DorK
I was just looking at that last wave.Daviewolf83 said:Based on the current percentage of Covid patients in ICU, I would estimate 25 of the 111 patients are in ICU. We have about a week left in the Winter Wave, when I project hospitalizations will peak. It is possible hospitalizations will reach the same level as last year's Winter Wave, but I think it is very unlikely. Based on what is being reported in the UK, where the Omicron driven Winter Wave began sooner than in the US, they have peaked and hospitalizations were roughly 50% of last year's Winter Wave amounts.dogplasma said:
FWIW, my friend's wife who works at Wake Med reports that they now have 111 Covid patients admitted. She says that's the first time Wake Med has ever topped 100 Covid patients. I didn't get ICU numbers so hopefully they aren't as extreme.NEW: first thread of 2022 is an Omicron situation update, starting with a detailed look at UK hospitals, before going international.
— John Burn-Murdoch (@jburnmurdoch) January 4, 2022
Let’s start with severity, and the most important chart:
Despite steep rises in cases and patients, the number on ventilators has barely risen. pic.twitter.com/p1mzD7DorK
Did his new "woker" version of "Dr." Cohen make an appearance?Wayland said:I was just looking at that last wave.Daviewolf83 said:Based on the current percentage of Covid patients in ICU, I would estimate 25 of the 111 patients are in ICU. We have about a week left in the Winter Wave, when I project hospitalizations will peak. It is possible hospitalizations will reach the same level as last year's Winter Wave, but I think it is very unlikely. Based on what is being reported in the UK, where the Omicron driven Winter Wave began sooner than in the US, they have peaked and hospitalizations were roughly 50% of last year's Winter Wave amounts.dogplasma said:
FWIW, my friend's wife who works at Wake Med reports that they now have 111 Covid patients admitted. She says that's the first time Wake Med has ever topped 100 Covid patients. I didn't get ICU numbers so hopefully they aren't as extreme.NEW: first thread of 2022 is an Omicron situation update, starting with a detailed look at UK hospitals, before going international.
— John Burn-Murdoch (@jburnmurdoch) January 4, 2022
Let’s start with severity, and the most important chart:
Despite steep rises in cases and patients, the number on ventilators has barely risen. pic.twitter.com/p1mzD7DorK
I think it is possible based just on case volume alone especially at the rate they are increasing. Plus we still have the December Deltas.
I do think we will start to see the week over week decrease in cases next week once our 7 day averages are completely clear of holiday reporting.
Going to be a slog to get through the next 2 weeks.
The briefings from our almighty rulers today, didn't give me warm fuzzies.
I still feel likely the are stuck with messaging that would make sense for a winter seasonal wave that is primarily Delta. And setting the number one priority as boosting everyone with wild-type in the face of Omicron just doesn't pass the sniff test.
I don't get why they can't pivot? The claims the 'current' vaccines are effective against preventing infection from Omicron are dubious. Anecdotal observations and some pre-print (that doesn't originate with pharma) show just the opposite... an eventual -VE.
It feels just like the promises made when the original vaccine trials were only 3 months in and 100 percent effective. Omicron hasn't been around long enough to be making these confident assertions.
If Omicron really has quelled Delta, the strategy should shift completely.
It was just so uncomfortable watching the messaging today and Roy "We Know What Works" Cooper spewing the party 'Science'.
And I am not even saying it didn't make sense for at-risk boosting in the face of a winter Delta wave. But if Delta is not largely spreading and an issue (beyond the existing hospital impact)
But calling for universal boosting with a vaccine that doesn't seem to be slowing Omicron cases (and if has -VE is actually accelerating them). I mean, Cooper literally pleaded with the CDC to change the definition of 'fully vaccinated' to include boosters at his briefing today.
Is it just me? Am I just broken? Feels like I am in the Twilight Zone, where everything coming out of public health and leadership doesn't seem to jibe with what I see in real life or in the numbers.
The case is supposed to go before the Supreme court this week and the court has said they will fast-track a decision. Most legal experts believe the court will strike it down and a decision could come fairly quickly. It is one of two cases the court will be hearing. There is a similar ruling that is also going before the court this week and legal experts are expecting a similar outcome.Steve Williams said:
The employee mandates for companies with over 100 workers, is that still a go?
Bas2020 said:
30-50 age group . Average health . Should they get boosted or no ?
9 -10 months since the 2nd Phizer.
Yay or nay ?
Ontario. "Two doses of COVID-19 vaccines are unlikely to protect against infection by Omicron. A third dose
— Phil Kerpen (@kerpen) January 5, 2022
provides some protection in the immediate term, but substantially less than against Delta."
Negative VE by day 60.https://t.co/BJeaiPudD8 pic.twitter.com/TJXmpp7iuY
I was just about to post the same thing from Hoeg.Daviewolf83 said:Bas2020 said:
30-50 age group . Average health . Should they get boosted or no ?
9 -10 months since the 2nd Phizer.
Yay or nay ?Ontario. "Two doses of COVID-19 vaccines are unlikely to protect against infection by Omicron. A third dose
— Phil Kerpen (@kerpen) January 5, 2022
provides some protection in the immediate term, but substantially less than against Delta."
Negative VE by day 60.https://t.co/BJeaiPudD8 pic.twitter.com/TJXmpp7iuY
TheStorm said:Did his new "woker" version of "Dr." Cohen make an appearance?Wayland said:I was just looking at that last wave.Daviewolf83 said:Based on the current percentage of Covid patients in ICU, I would estimate 25 of the 111 patients are in ICU. We have about a week left in the Winter Wave, when I project hospitalizations will peak. It is possible hospitalizations will reach the same level as last year's Winter Wave, but I think it is very unlikely. Based on what is being reported in the UK, where the Omicron driven Winter Wave began sooner than in the US, they have peaked and hospitalizations were roughly 50% of last year's Winter Wave amounts.dogplasma said:
FWIW, my friend's wife who works at Wake Med reports that they now have 111 Covid patients admitted. She says that's the first time Wake Med has ever topped 100 Covid patients. I didn't get ICU numbers so hopefully they aren't as extreme.NEW: first thread of 2022 is an Omicron situation update, starting with a detailed look at UK hospitals, before going international.
— John Burn-Murdoch (@jburnmurdoch) January 4, 2022
Let’s start with severity, and the most important chart:
Despite steep rises in cases and patients, the number on ventilators has barely risen. pic.twitter.com/p1mzD7DorK
I think it is possible based just on case volume alone especially at the rate they are increasing. Plus we still have the December Deltas.
I do think we will start to see the week over week decrease in cases next week once our 7 day averages are completely clear of holiday reporting.
Going to be a slog to get through the next 2 weeks.
The briefings from our almighty rulers today, didn't give me warm fuzzies.
I still feel likely the are stuck with messaging that would make sense for a winter seasonal wave that is primarily Delta. And setting the number one priority as boosting everyone with wild-type in the face of Omicron just doesn't pass the sniff test.
I don't get why they can't pivot? The claims the 'current' vaccines are effective against preventing infection from Omicron are dubious. Anecdotal observations and some pre-print (that doesn't originate with pharma) show just the opposite... an eventual -VE.
It feels just like the promises made when the original vaccine trials were only 3 months in and 100 percent effective. Omicron hasn't been around long enough to be making these confident assertions.
If Omicron really has quelled Delta, the strategy should shift completely.
It was just so uncomfortable watching the messaging today and Roy "We Know What Works" Cooper spewing the party 'Science'.
And I am not even saying it didn't make sense for at-risk boosting in the face of a winter Delta wave. But if Delta is not largely spreading and an issue (beyond the existing hospital impact)
But calling for universal boosting with a vaccine that doesn't seem to be slowing Omicron cases (and if has -VE is actually accelerating them). I mean, Cooper literally pleaded with the CDC to change the definition of 'fully vaccinated' to include boosters at his briefing today.
Is it just me? Am I just broken? Feels like I am in the Twilight Zone, where everything coming out of public health and leadership doesn't seem to jibe with what I see in real life or in the numbers.
Exactly. As I said yesterday, update the vaccines to address Omicron, but stop pretending the current vaccine will protect you from becoming infected. They still do an excellent job in promoting T and B-Cells that will serve to limit the severity of infection and this is why people should consider getting vaccinated.Wayland said:I was just about to post the same thing from Hoeg.Daviewolf83 said:Bas2020 said:
30-50 age group . Average health . Should they get boosted or no ?
9 -10 months since the 2nd Phizer.
Yay or nay ?Ontario. "Two doses of COVID-19 vaccines are unlikely to protect against infection by Omicron. A third dose
— Phil Kerpen (@kerpen) January 5, 2022
provides some protection in the immediate term, but substantially less than against Delta."
Negative VE by day 60.https://t.co/BJeaiPudD8 pic.twitter.com/TJXmpp7iuY
First the Denmark study, now Ontario.
Why is the main strategy BOOST BOOST if Omicron replaces Delta?
Why not update the vax? Or put a pause on things?
This was exactly the Twilight Zone **** I was talking about.
Why can't public health pivot?
Mormad said:
We're at about 200, and projected to reach 300 by next week
Next Tuesday's numbers should be telling since it's a 7 day rolling avg, and things have really picked up here.
480 health system employees out today
Guilford positivity rate 32% today
Drive up testing for students at GDS who claim symptoms, most tested positive, most with very mild symptoms.
Based on the latest CDC guidelines, they should isolate for 5 days and then return to school, if they are not symptomatic. The CDC does not recommend testing, but if you do test and the result of the test is positive, you have to isolate for an additional 5 days. So, do not test if asymptomatic after 5 days of isolation.Wayland said:Mormad said:
We're at about 200, and projected to reach 300 by next week
Next Tuesday's numbers should be telling since it's a 7 day rolling avg, and things have really picked up here.
480 health system employees out today
Guilford positivity rate 32% today
Drive up testing for students at GDS who claim symptoms, most tested positive, most with very mild symptoms.
Almost could get away with a verbal test this week.
"Do you have a symptom, if yes, Omicron"
Quote:
From the beginning of this pandemic, the risk of Covid to young people has always been extremely low, a finding public health officials have downplayed instead of acknowledged. According to the American Academy of Pediatrics, children have represented 0.00%-0.27% of all Covid-19 deaths.
In other words, a total of 803 American children have died from Covid or with Covid over the last two years. That's less than the number of total deaths from both influenza and RSV infection in a typical year before the pandemic. A recent study of children in Germany found that no healthy child between the ages of 5 and 17 died of Covid during a 15-month period when nearly all were unvaccinated. Zero. In the whole country.
And yet there is very much a public health crisis facing young people. It is a crisis that's been created by these draconian Covid policiesa crisis that's the result of depriving young Americans of the basic enjoyment of life and the benefits of human connection
The “smartest” schools in America have the dumbest covid policies. Yale students can’t eat outdoors off campus and they have to quarantine when they return to campus. All Yale students are double vaccinated. The madness isn’t ending. pic.twitter.com/Kp2ujW92NW
— Clay Travis (@ClayTravis) January 5, 2022
I really don't see how they can mandate a vaccine that expresses a spike protein RBD from a two-year old virus that doesn't exist anymore and has negative VE for the 95%+ dominant variant. When that variant is no more pathogenic than typical seasonal respiratory viruses.
— Phil Kerpen (@kerpen) January 5, 2022
