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Just got a text that New Hanover County is going to re-visit adding back a mask mandate at a meeting in January…..insanity.
For more than just one reason. I'm disgusted by all the discarded masks laying around parking lots.


Have found more than one in my front yard over the last year. To me, it's the same as throwing a used condom or dirty diaper out the window.
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For those people who say we need data and studies before we can say Omicron leads to less severe cases, we are starting to get some studies. In a study out of South Africa, released overnight, it found people infected with Omicron are 80% less likely to need hospitalization.

If this statistic holds, the Omicron variant could be the road to endemicity for Covid-19.

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Daviewolf83 said:

For those people who say we need data and studies before we can say Omicron leads to less severe cases, we are starting to get some studies. In a study out of South Africa, released overnight, it found people infected with Omicron are 80% less likely to need hospitalization.

If this statistic holds, the Omicron variant could be the road to endemicity for Covid-19.



Looks like current vaccines won't stop the Cron, but may lessen severity.

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https://www.micdroppolitics.com/articles/boom-sen-ron-johnson-drops-truth-bomb-senate-floor-63-uk-delta-deaths-last-7-5-months-fully-vaccinated-video/

Ron Johnson telling more lies.......right?
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.........Dr Peter McCullough interviewed.

An hour long and worth every second of listening to. He's been demonized by the tyrannical medical and bureaucratic establishment yet is the most widely published doctor in cardio renal medicine. He'll provide his credentials in the beginning if Mormod and some of the other pro-VAX medical experts here wish to know them.

This attached Youtube version is 1 hour long and there is also a 1 hour and 9 minutes long uncensored version on Dr McCullough's channel on the Telegram platform. I have not taken the time to watch the attached for comparison purposes.
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Daviewolf83 said:

For those people who say we need data and studies before we can say Omicron leads to less severe cases, we are starting to get some studies. In a study out of South Africa, released overnight, it found people infected with Omicron are 80% less likely to need hospitalization.

If this statistic holds, the Omicron variant could be the road to endemicity for Covid-19.

Positive news Davie, thanks!

I've been wondering if the Cron is not what we want, but maybe what we need.

Incredibly fast spread + much milder disease + further increased vax rates = the worldwide herd immunity we need to finally back-burner COVID?
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I've seen s. African data up to 90% fewer severe omicron dz vs delta.

Omicron now about 3/4 of US cases

First publicly recorded omicron death in US yesterday i think
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Mormad said:

I've seen s. African data up to 90% fewer severe omicron dz vs delta.

Omicron now about 3/4 of US cases

First publicly recorded omicron death in US yesterday i think
That death was a vague one. Guy in his 50s with underlying health conditions dies WITH COVID. Need more info than that. Not that Cron deaths aren't coming, but need a little more data on that one.
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Mormad said:




I've noticed those admits/discharges are staying pretty level so far (and actually pretty close to each other). Will be interesting to watch over the coming weeks.

Almost feel like we need a complete data reset once Omicron takes over, but still so much Delta carnage left over from the previous wave.

EDIT: to put the last update on the same page for comparison. Below is what Mormad posted a week ago.

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Its ironic that Biden announced a "high demand/supply shortage" of the PCR tests .. now limiting purchase allowance, when 7 months ago the CDC announced they were pulling the PCR tests because they don't do what they're supposed to do /SHOCKER/ and they were to be 12/31/21 to be replaced by a new test that is being developed by Soros and Gates.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/rapid-test-supplies-are-tight-as-biden-administration-orders-more-11640120361

https://en-volve.com/2021/07/26/cdc-declares-old-pcr-tests-can-no-longer-be-used-just-in-time-for-soros-and-bill-gates-new-company-to-cash-in-big/

Oh yes, a PCR test ....courtesy of Eugenicists Gates and Soros.
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Apparently, the first death from Omicron in Texas was not a death from Omicron.

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Unlike 2020, high cases do not translate into high hospitalizations. With the advent of vaccines and the new Omicron variant that data suggests is less severe than past variants, high case numbers (a favorite metric of the uninformed media) are not translating into higher than normal hospitalizations.

If I get some time tomorrow, I will provide some more information on NC and how cases and hospitalizations for this Winter wave are much lower than last year's Winter wave.

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As I mentioned in my lengthy post yesterday, even though Omicron is able to evade the vaccine and previous infection induced antibodies much more easily than past variants, it is not evading the body's secondary defense of T and B-Cells.

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Daviewolf83 said:

Unlike 2020, high cases do not translate into high hospitalizations. With the advent of vaccines and the new Omicron variant that data suggests is less severe than past variants, high case numbers (a favorite metric of the uninformed media) are not translating into higher than normal hospitalizations.

If I get some time tomorrow, I will provide some more information on NC and how cases and hospitalizations for this Winter wave are much lower than last year's Winter wave.


Maybe, just maybe, health care staffing is a concern in New York City because of their stupidly, dumb, idiotic vaccine mandate for Health Care workers - and the fact that many of them have been let go already for refusing to comply? Just a thought.

Also read a report from yesterday that one NC Hospital system (UNC Pardee) in Hendersonville in Western North Carolina (of all places, and not Duke, not Chapel Hill, not Baptist, etc.) has somehow already determined that monoclonal antibody infusions are not effective in treating Omicron and have discontinued any use of them at their facilities. One hospital in Western NC with no guidance from anywhere else yet. Seems kind of like a strange and very quick decision on their part… Omicron's only been here just a few short weeks so far.
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TheStorm said:

Daviewolf83 said:

Unlike 2020, high cases do not translate into high hospitalizations. With the advent of vaccines and the new Omicron variant that data suggests is less severe than past variants, high case numbers (a favorite metric of the uninformed media) are not translating into higher than normal hospitalizations.

If I get some time tomorrow, I will provide some more information on NC and how cases and hospitalizations for this Winter wave are much lower than last year's Winter wave.


Maybe, just maybe, health care staffing is a concern in New York City because of their stupidly, dumb, idiotic vaccine mandate for Health Care workers - and the fact that many of them have been let go already for refusing to comply? Just a thought.

Also read a report from yesterday that one NC Hospital system (UNC Pardee) in Hendersonville in Western North Carolina (of all places, and not Duke, not Chapel Hill, not Baptist, etc.) has somehow already determined that monoclonal antibody infusions are not effective in treating Omicron and have discontinued any use of them at their facilities. One hospital in Western NC with no guidance from anywhere else yet. Seems kind of like a strange and very quick decision on their part… Omicron's only been here just a few short weeks so far.
There are a few issues with monoclonal antibodies at the moment that could be impacting hospitals and their decisions regarding their use:

1. Due to their high use and effectiveness against some of the variants, they are in extremely short supply. Hospitals are starting to ration them out to the most at-risk patients and some hospitals have run out of all supply of the antibodies.
2. Reports indicated that most of the monoclonal antibodies in use are not effective against the Omicron variant. As I mentioned in my lengthy post a couple of days ago, I mentioned that Omicron is able to more easily evade both the antibodies from natural infection and vaccines, in addition to many of the monoclonal antibodies doctors have at their disposal. Currently, there is ONE monoclonal antibody (sotrovimab) that appears to be effective against the Omicron variant and it is in very short supply, both in the US and in other countries. At this point, given the supply issues, I would only want sotrovimab to be used on patients with lab confirmed cases of the Omicron variant.

One of the failings of the Biden administration has been to not focus on the increased production of the monoclonal antibody supply. While they have emphasized vaccination, testing (recent change), and masks, they have neglected the treatment options and looking for ways to "crash" the timeline for treatment manufacturing. Just yesterday, they finally approved the new antiviral (paxlovid) for use in the US. Hopefully, it's effectiveness is as good as reported (89% effective in reducing the need to be hospitalized).

Quite frankly, the emphasis needs to be less on testing and more on the increased production of the antivirals and monoclonal antibody treatments. I am not trying to argue with you about this particular hospital, since I do not have all of the details, but I did want to point out that the monoclonal antibody treatments have some issues at the moment.
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I used to work for Pardee earlier in my career and rotated through there as a student, so I still get a few of their emails here and there.

Per their last email, they only have access to Casirivimab plus imdevimab (Regeneron) at the moment. Studies, so far, have not shown any benefit with Omicron. So, they decided to not use up something that is in short supply that likely will have no benefit for patients until better treatments are available. Is it too early to make that call? Still to be determined.
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More news this morning on Omicron and lower levels of severity and hospitalization. I hope this good news continues as cases ramp in the US.

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PackPA2015 said:

I used to work for Pardee earlier in my career and rotated through there as a student, so I still get a few of their emails here and there.

Per their last email, they only have access to Casirivimab plus imdevimab (Regeneron) at the moment. Studies, so far, have not shown any benefit with Omicron. So, they decided to not use up something that is in short supply that likely will have no benefit for patients until better treatments are available. Is it too early to make that call? Still to be determined.
Thanks for providing this additional insight. Their decision makes a lot of sense and is in keeping with what I would expect, given what I mentioned regarding Omicron and the monoclonal antibodies. Hopefully, they will be able to secure some supply of Sotrovimab soon, since it appears to be the only one that has any success against Omicron.
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This morning, I decided to create a new metric to try and measure the impact of cases on hospitalizations. Using the daily cases reported (cases by specimen date) and the daily hospitalizations (hospital admissions by date), I created a Case Hospitalization Rate (CHR). This is similar to the better known CFRs and IFR's, used to measure the impact of cases and infections on fatality.

By charting the CHR, you can hopefully see the percentage of cases that lead to a daily hospital admission. It is an inexact measure, since some of the hospitalizations are not directly due to a Covid infection, but can be due to other reasons (elective surgeries or other diseases) where a patient also tests positive for Covid.

Interestingly and not totally unexpected, the period when Delta was really starting to spread had the highest CHR, since the data has been reported by NCDHHS. You also see an increase in October/early November. I am not totally sure what could have lead to this increase, but I suspect it may have been people who were admitted for other reasons (more elective surgeries perhaps?) that also tested positive for Covid.

More recently, you can observe that CHR's have been declining in November and early December and now appears to be flattening out slightly. As Omicron continues to spread and becomes most of the cases (it is the dominant one now), I would expect the CHR to fall even more in late December and early January. This assumes Omicron does indeed produce milder infection levels and fewer hospitalizations than past variants. I will likely not be able to update this information until the middle of next week, since NCDHHS will not be updating data over the Christmas holiday.

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Update from the triad: as of yesterday, our inpt covid census has doubled over the past 2ish weeks. We're in double figures. 90% of the admitted and 90% of the unit players are unvaxxed. I guess that Delta is still primary here in house, as that makes the most sense. Our projection is an inpt covid census of 250-300 in the first 2 months of the year. We'll see. They missed the first round, but were right on the money the second round. May be harder to predict omicron in our community until data elsewhere continues to roll in. We also tend to be a dumping ground for smaller community hospitals.

Like elsewhere, our concern is staffing. Our staff has, to this point, remained mostly intact. But if the cron runs thru the staff as they are exposed at work and in the community, we could be in trouble. It doesn't take many call outs to shut down certain segments of a hospital. I don't think managing the covid pts will be an issue, but staffing the OR, ER, certain floors, support staff could get really tight. hopefully these fears never come to fruition.
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Mormad said:

Update from the triad: as of yesterday, our inpt covid census has doubled over the past 2ish weeks. We're in double figures. 90% of the admitted and 90% of the unit players are unvaxxed. I guess that Delta is still primary here in house, as that makes the most sense. Our projection is an inpt covid census of 250-300 in the first 2 months of the year. We'll see. They missed the first round, but were right on the money the second round. May be harder to predict omicron in our community until data elsewhere continues to roll in. We also tend to be a dumping ground for smaller community hospitals.

Like elsewhere, our concern is staffing. Our staff has, to this point, remained mostly intact. But if the cron runs thru the staff as they are exposed at work and in the community, we could be in trouble. It doesn't take many call outs to shut down certain segments of a hospital. I don't think managing the covid pts will be an issue, but staffing the OR, ER, certain floors, support staff could get really tight. hopefully these fears never come to fruition.

I was thinking about that since even vaccinated/boosted seem more susceptible to testing positive for Omicron than the previous variants that it could create staffing issues.

Be super unfortunate for Omicron to take out staff while lagging Delta is still bringing in patients.
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Still a lot of data needs to be reviewed out there.

This out of Denmark shows negative efficacy for Omicron after 3 months of original series. Only have data for less than 30 days post booster which gets you back to where you were 30 days post initial series.

But then are you back to square one (or -1) again after three months or with different variants? Again, still lots to study. Why we should be judicious about constant reboosting of a variant that is no longer circulating. Will this data hold? Who knows... but so much science just to do. And considering what we thought of these vaccines and their efficacy less than a year ago... we should consider nuance to our strategy other than "BOOOOST MOAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

I really do feel like no critical thought has gone into out plans. Just moving reacting and moving forward without updating priors... it is bizarre.

Again, who knows how this data holds under further review, but all these mandates and schools requiring boosters for a variant that doesn't even circulate any more is disturbing.



https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.12.20.21267966v2.full.pdf
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Daviewolf83
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Wayland said:

Still a lot of data needs to be reviewed out there.

This out of Denmark shows negative efficacy for Omicron after 3 months of original series. Only have data for less than 30 days post booster which gets you back to where you were 30 days post initial series.

But then are you back to square one (or -1) again after three months or with different variants? Again, still lots to study. Why we should be judicious about constant reboosting of a variant that is no longer circulating. Will this data hold? Who knows... but so much science just to do. And considering what we thought of these vaccines and their efficacy less than a year ago... we should consider nuance to our strategy other than "BOOOOST MOAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

I really do feel like no critical thought has gone into out plans. Just moving reacting and moving forward without updating priors... it is bizarre.

Again, who knows how this data holds under further review, but all these mandates and schools requiring boosters for a variant that doesn't even circulate any more is disturbing.



https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.12.20.21267966v2.full.pdf

We really need to get the Novavax vaccine approved. It has been approved by the EU and should be soon in the UK. Maybe for early 2022 for the US?

Vaccines based on the RNA for the spike protein will continue to be problematic, given how much the viruses seems to mutate and mutate in a way to reduce the effectiveness of the vaccines to limit transmission. Prior to Omicron, the vaccines were able to hold up against the mutations, including the Delta variant. Omicron comes along and says "hold my beer." The good news is the T and B-Cell effectiveness against all of the variants appears to be holding up.
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How would someone know what variant of COVID they have? Does the PCR test tell the strain?
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caryking said:

How would someone know what variant of COVID they have? Does the PCR test tell the strain?
You are not likely to find out, but the lab can identify it when they run the PCR test on a sample. Here's some info from the web:


Quote:

"Dr. Manoj Gandhi is the senior medical director at Thermo Fisher Scientific. He explains that the PCR tests widely used in the US (polymerase chain reaction tests that pick up the virus' genetic material) have three signals or genes to be detected a signal from two of the three genes means the sample is positive for COVID-19. While the delta variant causes all three gene signals to show up on a PCR test, the omicron variant causes one to drop off in what's also called an S gene target failure.

When scientists in South Africa noticed a change in the PCR test signals (which was also found in cases caused by the alpha variant), they alerted virologists and sent the newer samples in for additional tests, which revealed a new variant with many mutations omicron."

Can you tell which Covid variant you have?
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https://rumble.com/vcvgld-kary-mullis-explains-why-his-pcr-test-is-not-a-diagnostic-test.html

Kary Mullis, inventor of the PCR test, prior to his very unexpected death.
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People need to get over this ***** Long lines in Raleigh for a stupid test. It's a cold. If it was going to kill you it would have by now. Herd immunity is here. The variant noise is just another step to keep control. Wake up dumbasses.
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Werewolf said:

https://rumble.com/vcvgld-kary-mullis-explains-why-his-pcr-test-is-not-a-diagnostic-test.html

Kary Mullis, inventor of the PCR test, prior to his very unexpected death.
The fact that he routinely dropped acid, notwithstanding, I don't follow the reasoning. The term "diagnostic" may be misapplied here, but a rigorously designed PCR assay is an excellent tool for pathogen detection. If in fact, many PCR-based assays are producing false negatives or positives, that's an indicator of sloppy use, because PCR is definitely not an idiot-proof tool. Many precautions have to be taken in its use.
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https://rumble.com/var0nl-flu-cases-drop-95-compared-to-last-year.-are-patients-being-misdiagnosed-as.html

without questioning!
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WarrenPeace said:

People need to get over this ***** Long lines in Raleigh for a stupid test. It's a cold. If it was going to kill you it would have by now. Herd immunity is here. The variant noise is just another step to keep control. Wake up dumbasses.
https://nemosnewsnetwork.com/convicted-harvard-scientist-paid-by-chicoms-behind-genetic-nanotech-in-covid-shots/

One might consider this to be breaking news. Wonder if the Corporate Media even touches on it.

Use a test that can be manipulated, hype the fear, and drive the JAB. Just a tad sinister, ya think?
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This entire thing is way past ridiculous. Folks of all ages get sick all the time with something, and some of them die. All the time. The media doesn't know when to quit, and they won't now because they are probably raking in as much money now as they have in a long while by keeping covid this and covid that out front. There always has been, and always will be, something that will cause folks to get sick. Yes, some of all ages will die. But, far more won't die, they will get well and continue on with their lives. Just as our country needs to do now.

I'm sick - sick of hearing about it all the time. My entire family, myself included, got sick with the flu in October. We healthy, un-flu shot vaccinated folks, got sick with the flu. Followed our doctors' advice and guess what, we got well!

People need to get over the fear of what they don't know, but really do know if they would only take time to rationally think it through. Historical cycles repeat themselves. Always have, always will.
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