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Mormad
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To be clear, the annual incidence of sudden cardiac death among athletes aged 9-40 is estimated to be between 1/30000 and 1/80000 per year. This estimate, based on at least 13 epidemiologic studies, was established in 2016. Male gender, basketball, and Black race are most at risk, with annual incidence as high as 1/3000. Minnesota alone had 26 sudden cardiac deaths over a 2yr period among high school athletes 10yrs ago. Before the advent of vaccines, one of our own girl soccer players had a stroke. Her story was on gopack.com. There are a multitude of conditions, whether genetic or acquired, that predispose athletes to risk. these tragic events are not new since the onset of covid vaccinations. Have they increased? Time will tell. Good info to know if you have young male athletes, esp if considering vaccination.

Yes, the vaccines have been associated with cardiomyopathy or myositis,esp in young males. It is typically benign, self limited, and easily managed. A small percentage are hospitalized and average length of stay nationally is 2 days. Many are managed with no medicine or simple NSAIDs.

We're either going to hold the media accountable for responsible reporting or we're not.
packgrad
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When has the media been held accountable for responsible reporting? Especially with coronavirus.
Daviewolf83
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Mormad said:

To be clear, the annual incidence of sudden cardiac death among athletes aged 9-40 is estimated to be between 1/30000 and 1/80000 per year. This estimate, based on at least 13 epidemiologic studies, was established in 2016. Male gender, basketball, and Black race are most at risk, with annual incidence as high as 1/3000. Minnesota alone had 26 sudden cardiac deaths over a 2yr period among high school athletes 10yrs ago. Before the advent of vaccines, one of our own girl soccer players had a stroke. Her story was on gopack.com. There are a multitude of conditions, whether genetic or acquired, that predispose athletes to risk. these tragic events are not new since the onset of covid vaccinations. Have they increased? Time will tell. Good info to know if you have young male athletes, esp if considering vaccination.

Yes, the vaccines have been associated with cardiomyopathy or myositis,esp in young males. It is typically benign, self limited, and easily managed. A small percentage are hospitalized and average length of stay nationally is 2 days. Many are managed with no medicine or simple NSAIDs.

We're either going to hold the media accountable for responsible reporting or we're not.
Good info. My opinion, based on some of the information posted by other doctors I follow is the following:

If I had a child under the age of 18 and particularly a male child, I would space the two vaccine doses 8-10 weeks apart, instead of 3-4 weeks. I would do this for a couple of reasons:
  • Some studies and evidence show spacing out doses further apart will increase the immune system's reaction and increase the level of antibodies above what would occur with more closely spaced doses.
  • Potential reduction in the incidence of myocarditis and pericarditis in children, particularly young males who appear to be statistically predisposed to this condition after vaccination and infection.

Also, have you seen any studies yet in the impact of Covid on athletes? There were some early theories that athletes in certain sports were more susceptible to adverse Covid than athletes in other sports. In particular, basketball players were highlighted and it was suggested it could be related to their size/weight ratio and lower BMI? Purely antidotal, but of the college athletes I personally know of who had confirmed cases of Covid, the ones who had the most severe outcomes were basketball players. Of course, I am looking at a very limited pool of athletes across four sports (soccer, football, basketball, volleyball), but it was interesting to me and would certainly be something to study further.
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packgrad said:

Staff writer at the Atlantic thinks hospitals should put the unvaccinated at the back of the line for triage. It's sad how the left is so open about wishing death on those who do not take a shot.


These are the same morons that want nationalized healthcare as well. Imagine if this was the line of thinking for all medical treatment

"You smoked a cigarette when you were 14, the cancer is your fault and were not treating you"

"Got diabetes? Maybe put down the cookies and exercise, fatty. Then well treat you"

Its just mind blowing to me that people think like that but don't see how it can (and would) be abused in the future.
Wayland
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Civilized
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What is CFR again?
Wayland
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Civilized said:

What is CFR again?
Case Fatality Rate. How many people are dying per identified case.

As opposed to IFR which is how people people die that are infected (whether or not they are identified as a 'case'). IFR will be lower since not everyone who is infected actually gets identified.
PackFansXL
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Civilized said:

What is CFR again?
I'm guessing COVID Fatality Rate.

Close but no cigar.
Werewolf
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Athletes ........1st link list on link at bottom right:
https://www.lopmatrix.com/number-of-athletes-injured-or-killed-by-the-vax-jumps-to-300/

Another list of athletes: ................stars are corrected with the name for a female dog....
https://www.*****ute.com/channel/bootcamp/?showall=1


Pilot list for 2019, 2020, 2021........trend is merely a coincidence?
https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__americanbuddhist.net_2021_12_09_in-2Dmemoriam-2Dairline-2Dpilots-2Dassociation-2Ddeaths-2D2019-2D2020-2Dand-2D2021-2Drip-2D-25f0-259f-2599-258f_&d=DwI***&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=5lNdLHirjvKcB9BWa4hLM1n0R5cmWlSAQ8CfoPWx1tw&m=n_EWOXOzCnChsYqzXKETEuQXDdPmrMaZ3tI-nT173qs&s=BxSamW9Bjf6ce3vLFV_QhoBD62EyFceSHxcQcWiusqI&e=
Civilized
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Wayland said:

Civilized said:

What is CFR again?
Case Fatality Rate. How many people are dying per identified case.

As opposed to IFR which is how people people die that are infected (whether or not they are identified as a 'case'). IFR will be lower since not everyone who is infected actually gets identified.

Thank you.

So it appears Southern Africa/Omicron cases are spiking, but not deaths (at least, not yet and hopefully not ever), which is causing CFR to plummet.

Generally good news I'd say.
Mormad
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packgrad said:

When has the media been held accountable for responsible reporting? Especially with coronavirus.


Right, but i specifically meant just by those of us here. I *****about the media, but i want my side to do it right too.
Daviewolf83
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New data out of South Africa on Omicron continues to show it is a less severe variant than previous variants, such as Delta. A recent study demonstrated significantly lower instance of hospitalizations and an even further reduction in patients requiring ICU levels of care.

Daviewolf83
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It looks like Colorado has a governor who is trying to apply some common sense. Too bad NC has a governor who refuses to do the same. I totally agree that the fact vaccines are widely available has ended the government's ability to apply sweeping orders and mandates as it regards people's behavior. At this point, the governor's and other health officials should no longer have the ability to pass these mandates. They should be required to go to the legislative bodies and pass laws instead.

Oldsouljer
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It's sad how they utterly disregard the Hippocratic ideals while posing as medical policy experts.
Civilized
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Consistently good news regarding omicron disease severity.
bgr3
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packgrad said:

When has the media been held accountable for responsible reporting? Especially with coronavirus.
Nick Sandman

It's a start, at least.
packgrad
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bgr3 said:

packgrad said:

When has the media been held accountable for responsible reporting? Especially with coronavirus.
Nick Sandman

It's a start, at least.


True. Hope it was the start of the boulder rolling downhill.

Meant to thank you for the rec on the Taibbi interview on the Rogan podcast. I generally only listen to his comedian, military, or hunter interviews. Probably would have skipped over that one without your recommendation. That was very good and quite enlightening.

I'm an hour or so into his interview with Peter McCullough. Boy, he has some interesting points as well. Particularly in regards to how quickly the vaccines came about, testing, efficacy, and pre hospitalization treatments.
bgr3
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Glad to be able to spread some good content. Taibbi is a lot like Greenwald, I disagree with him on plenty of things but he getsa crucial point which is that the big fault line (particularly in news, but hell, in COVID too) is between civil libertarians and authoritarians, not left/right lib/con/etc.

Edit: Im almost done with the Peter McCollough interview, I have a feeling the knives are going to really come out for the both of them over this one.
Wayland
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Mormad said:

packgrad said:

When has the media been held accountable for responsible reporting? Especially with coronavirus.


Right, but i specifically meant just by those of us here. I *****about the media, but i want my side to do it right too.
Any insight into what is going on in the Triad/Western part of the state?

Looking at the hospital growth rate compared to a month ago, we are heavily tilted.

Triad
85% increase

Meck
46%

Mid Carolina
34%

Eastern
18.5%

Mountain/West
37%

Capital
27%

Duke
38%

Wilmington/Coast
11%

Guilford, Meck, and Wake all have the same case rate basically. Forsyth is a little higher, but not that much. What is going on in the border counties elsewhere out there?

As bad as hospital growth has been in the Meck area. Triad is just going gangbusters.

Daviewolf83
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I appears there has been a significant jump in daily hospital admissions - two weeks following Thanksgiving. I just plotted the daily hospital admissions on my projected daily admissions chart and you can see them below. It will be interesting to see if these numbers (approximately 200 admitted per day) hold over the next few days or continue to increase. The actual dates below are through 12/10.

Edit: I looked into the age demographics and it appears the large jump in daily admissions is being driven by the 50-79 age groups. Comparing the 7-day average for the previous seven days (151) to the average for the most recent four days (197), I found 65% of the increase in the average is made up of this age group of people. Additionally, the average for 80+ jumped up by 5 per day for these two periods.




Wayland
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Mandy's last fireside chat today.

Got a small preview of the CLI number that will be released Thursday.

Looks like a slight decline in the growth.

Mormad
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Wayland
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Mormad said:






Thanks for the update. Crossing fingers this winter wave stays more muted than last year.
Daviewolf83
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Mormad said:




Thanks for providing this information. It appears lack of severity could be due to vaccines or previous infection for South Africa. In one major area of South Africa, they had a previous infection rate estimated at 70% and in this area, Omicron hospitalizations were extremely low. Hopefully vaccination does help, but some reports I saw out of UK indicate it could be evading people who are fully vaccinated and boosted. For those who are unvaccinated, they could have a tough time with this variant. Due to transmission rates, it will be extremely hard to avoid.

I think we are going to learn a lot about Omicron in the coming week from the UK. It is a heavily vaccinated country (compared to the US) and are taking some severe measures to limit the spread. I spoke with a coworker in the UK yesterday and he was preparing himself for the next round of lockdowns where he lives (located on the southwest coast of England). I believe the UK will provide a better idea of what we will face in the US, since its demographic more closely matches the US than South Africa. South Africa's demographic is younger than the US and this could also be contributing to their better outcomes, from a hospitalization standpoint.

Not directly related to Omicron, but related to vaccines and boosters, I personally know three people who were fully vaccinated and boosted who became infected with Covid last week in an area outside of Winston-Salem. Two of them had traveled to the beach in South Carolina recently and one had not traveled at all. All three have minor symptoms and seem to be on the road to a full recovery. One has some severe health issues and he has done well, likely due to the vaccines and being boosted. With regards to boosters, my son's school is requiring all students and staff/faculty to be boosted by the start of the Spring semester. He will be getting his booster tomorrow, before he returns to campus for bowl practice on Sunday.
Daviewolf83
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Here's a little more information on South Africa and Omicron.

Daviewolf83
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Some more recent information as to why the Omicron variant may be more transmittable, but less severe.

Wayland
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Daviewolf83 said:

Some more recent information as to why the Omicron variant may be more transmittable, but less severe.




Some data from Denmark who is showing some Omicron in their winter wave along with Delta.

griff17matt
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Mormad said:

packgrad said:

When has the media been held accountable for responsible reporting? Especially with coronavirus.


Right, but i specifically meant just by those of us here. I *****about the media, but i want my side to do it right too.
The fact that I'm not sure which side is "your side" just proves to me that you do things the right way. Thanks for being so level-headed and honest with regards to COVID and your thoughts on it and the response to it. Goes for Wayland and Davie too. Y'all the board GOATs for real.
CLA327
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Can't argue or dispute this post at all. Those guys rock.....
Werewolf
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This type of info is available if you will go outside of the Corporate controlled media and resist the mandantes of our tyrannical federal govt. As discussed in numerous articles and videos......and censored from the public note the article for:

Hospital medical coding incentives, remdesivir/ventilator deaths, etc.

https://aapsonline.org/bidens-bounty-on-your-life-hospitals-incentive-payments-for-covid-19/?fbclid=IwAR20FPPJCQ2EYyjw-iNrqZhLh6ssZ26zQH1Tdb3OIY_Qo7XMi-RIZfIzybw

Until one comes to terms with the fact we're being lied to info like this is probably in vain........
#Devolution #Expand Your Thinking #Eye of The Storm #TheGreatAwakening
Daviewolf83
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Below is a link to a very good article on the anti-viral Covid treatment, Paxlovid. This drug has shown very good results in clinical trial inhibiting the replication of the SARS-CoV-2 virus by blocking a key portion of its replication mechanism. It is important we find some effective treatments, since the Omicron variant (and potentially future variants) are able to evade the body's the antibodies produced by the vaccines and previous infection. As the article below points out, the Omicron variant has demonstrated an approximate 5-fold increased risk of a breakthrough infection for those who are vaccinated. Omicron also seems to be good at evading the monoclonal antibodies that some people are being given as a treatment.

While I approach these reports with some skepticism, I am trying to be optimistic about this new treatment and am looking forward to seeing the full efficacy and side-effects reports, as the drug moves through the review and approval cycle. The article below covers the mechanism the drug uses to block the virus' ability to replicate and why this has the potential to provide an important level of treatment and protection.

Why Paxlovid is a Just-in-Time Breakthrough


The chart below shows the mechanism used by Paxlovid to block viral replication. I found it to be quite helpful in understanding why this treatment might be successful.

Oldsouljer
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Interesting. I assume that the viral protease has some sort of pathogen-specific unique binding sites, such that the drug doesn't interfere with vital host proteases? I didn't read closely enough if there was any mention of side effects.
Mormad
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Great stuff. Thank you for finding so much great info to share here. And thank you for your constant excellent analysis or interpretation of the things you post or at the very least the excellent understanding of what you read out there. I too am skeptical but hopeful. Viral diseases are inherently difficult to manage, but i wonder if the lessons learned and research performed during the other most politicized virus of our time, HIV, is paying dividends here. It's amazing what intelligent humans can do with motivation, urgency, money, focus and support.
Mormad
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Yessir, as i understood it.

They will have SEs. That is a given. I hope they are relatively benign.
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Is Paxlovid specific to the SARS-CoV-2 virus, or corona viruses in general?
Finally a treatment for the common cold?
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