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Those are very common side effects. They normally don't last more than a day, though.GuerrillaPack said:
They had some people come by yesterday morning and give booster shots at the company I work at, and a lot of my co-workers got the boosters. Come today, around 30% of the people immediately around me who took the shots are taking the day off because they are not feeling good. I'm overhearing one of my co-workers complaining about how his arm (where the shot was administered) at first was very sore, and now over the course of the day he's feeling worse and his whole body is sore.
Another co-worker has been talking about how her arm/shoulder where the shot was given is unusually swollen.
It's a cult.
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dogplasma said:Those are very common side effects. They normally don't last more than a day, though.GuerrillaPack said:
They had some people come by yesterday morning and give booster shots at the company I work at, and a lot of my co-workers got the boosters. Come today, around 30% of the people immediately around me who took the shots are taking the day off because they are not feeling good. I'm overhearing one of my co-workers complaining about how his arm (where the shot was administered) at first was very sore, and now over the course of the day he's feeling worse and his whole body is sore.
Another co-worker has been talking about how her arm/shoulder where the shot was given is unusually swollen.
Yep. Study looking at reported adverse events with the vaccine RCTs, comparing active vs placebo groups, with an interesting discussion.
I've been debating the booster, my doc just regurgitates the CDC line and recommends I should.
I'm 28, pretty healthy. I'm in sales so I meet a lot of people, so that's the reason I was considering it. I got the Pfizer vaccine and my second shot was April 2nd.
Anyone here have any thoughts?
I'm 28, pretty healthy. I'm in sales so I meet a lot of people, so that's the reason I was considering it. I got the Pfizer vaccine and my second shot was April 2nd.
Anyone here have any thoughts?
wolfman18 said:
I've been debating the booster, my doc just regurgitates the CDC line and recommends I should.
I'm 28, pretty healthy. I'm in sales so I meet a lot of people, so that's the reason I was considering it. I got the Pfizer vaccine and my second shot was April 2nd.
Anyone here have any thoughts?
I personally think that's a question for your doctor. And if he can't give a reason "why" a healthy, fully vaccinated 28 year old "should" get the booster, I'd look into getting a new doctor.
One of my friends is a doctor and she recommended getting it too.
I wasn't that hesitant with the initial dose, but I am about the booster.
I wasn't that hesitant with the initial dose, but I am about the booster.
Does your doctor and/or friend have a recommendation for which booster to take?
I remember seeing the J&J seemed to amplify the effect of the others; also mixing the different shots seemed to be more beneficial than sticking with same shot.
I also had the Pfizer within the same time frame, and am contemplating the booster.
Like I said, if you can't get hyped for the Carolina game, why are you here?
-Earl Wolff-
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Did you ask her why? If you're a healthy ,double vaccinated 28 year old, I think the question is why. The answer shouldn't be a blanket CDCblah blah blah statement.
What is your hesitation with the booster? You said your Doctor regurgitates the CDC so it sounds like you don't value his/her opinion, what did your friend say in terms of reasoning to get it?wolfman18 said:
One of my friends is a doctor and she recommended getting it too.
I wasn't that hesitant with the initial dose, but I am about the booster.
Basic response was that it wouldn't hurt to get it and would only provide more protection against...
Idk, obviously I'm no doctor. I thought when we were getting the first doses they would last a lot longer, then all of a sudden, we're talking about boosters months into it all. Just seems off
Idk, obviously I'm no doctor. I thought when we were getting the first doses they would last a lot longer, then all of a sudden, we're talking about boosters months into it all. Just seems off
Obviously your doctor knows, or should know, your past medical history, but one would need to know more details on the above bolded part of your statement before making a recommendation.wolfman18 said:
I've been debating the booster, my doc just regurgitates the CDC line and recommends I should.
I'm 28, pretty healthy. I'm in sales so I meet a lot of people, so that's the reason I was considering it. I got the Pfizer vaccine and my second shot was April 2nd.
Anyone here have any thoughts?
Putting myself in your shoes, If I was 28 and obese, had lung disease (asthma, etc) or other chronic medical problems (high blood pressure, chronic kidney disease), I would get the booster. If I was 28 and healthy AND worked in a high risk environment (medicine/first responders is the only area I really consider that high risk, imo), then I would. Otherwise, I probably would not. I do not think that I would consider your position as described as high risk. Again, in my opinion. Hope this helps.
Because it's free, easy to get, and it can only help you stay healthy. I doubt you'll find a doctor anywhere that doesn't recommend one, probably for those exact reasons. JMHO.wolfman18 said:
I've been debating the booster, my doc just regurgitates the CDC line and recommends I should.
I'm 28, pretty healthy. I'm in sales so I meet a lot of people, so that's the reason I was considering it. I got the Pfizer vaccine and my second shot was April 2nd.
Anyone here have any thoughts?
wolfman18 said:
I've been debating the booster, my doc just regurgitates the CDC line and recommends I should.
I'm 28, pretty healthy. I'm in sales so I meet a lot of people, so that's the reason I was considering it. I got the Pfizer vaccine and my second shot was April 2nd.
Anyone here have any thoughts?
I'm almost 62. Had my 2nd shot in April. Getting my booster in 2 weeks. Not because of any mandate. Because it's the right thing to do
I asked a ref if he could give me a technical foul for thinking bad things about him. He said, of course not. I said, well, I think you stink. And he gave me a technical. You can't trust em. Jim Valvano.
dogplasma said:Because it's free, easy to get, and it can only help you stay healthy. I doubt you'll find a doctor anywhere that doesn't recommend one, probably for those exact reasons. JMHO.wolfman18 said:
I've been debating the booster, my doc just regurgitates the CDC line and recommends I should.
I'm 28, pretty healthy. I'm in sales so I meet a lot of people, so that's the reason I was considering it. I got the Pfizer vaccine and my second shot was April 2nd.
Anyone here have any thoughts?
Not really. Could have a reaction. Blood clots, myocarditis, diabetes, etc.
There's no reason a healthy 28 year old should need a booster shot based on the stats. JMHO
CDC ACIP and FDA Advisory meetings on boosters are available on Youtube.
wolfman18 said:
I've been debating the booster, my doc just regurgitates the CDC line and recommends I should.
I'm 28, pretty healthy. I'm in sales so I meet a lot of people, so that's the reason I was considering it. I got the Pfizer vaccine and my second shot was April 2nd.
Anyone here have any thoughts?
I got Pfizer back in April as well. I wouldn't get a booster. I'm about to wrap up a little fight with Rona right now. She's a ***** but all the booster you ever need. If young and healthy don't worry about another booster. The original vaccine didn't prevent me from getting pretty sick for a couple days. But I'd rather do that than a booster which is probably less effective.
If anything it would seem your experience with it would be more reason to get a booster?ncsualum05 said:wolfman18 said:
I've been debating the booster, my doc just regurgitates the CDC line and recommends I should.
I'm 28, pretty healthy. I'm in sales so I meet a lot of people, so that's the reason I was considering it. I got the Pfizer vaccine and my second shot was April 2nd.
Anyone here have any thoughts?
I got Pfizer back in April as well. I wouldn't get a booster. I'm about to wrap up a little fight with Rona right now. She's a ***** but all the booster you ever need. If young and healthy don't worry about another booster. The original vaccine didn't prevent me from getting pretty sick for a couple days. But I'd rather do that than a booster which is probably less effective.
Biden's vaccine mandate for large employers starts Jan 4th. Companies can be fined up to $136k for non compliance. Apparently mandating a vaccine that does not stop people from getting, nor spreading, the disease is the "right thing to do" as decided by Herr Biden. Remember, just 4 months ago this administration said vaccine mandates were not the federal government's role.
Apparently now that the science shows that natural immunity is at minimum equally effective, but arguably more effective, at combating the virus, a vaccine mandate is essential.
19 states have sued the administration over the mandate for federal contractors. The Daily Wire also filed a lawsuit today against the mandate for large employers and are also filing an emergency motion to stay the mandate.
Ahh, the good ole days. pic.twitter.com/tKTOLUCmI8
— jake hamann (@jmhamann) November 4, 2021
Apparently now that the science shows that natural immunity is at minimum equally effective, but arguably more effective, at combating the virus, a vaccine mandate is essential.
19 states have sued the administration over the mandate for federal contractors. The Daily Wire also filed a lawsuit today against the mandate for large employers and are also filing an emergency motion to stay the mandate.
Why do you believe that?statefan91 said:If anything it would seem your experience with it would be more reason to get a booster?ncsualum05 said:I got Pfizer back in April as well. I wouldn't get a booster. I'm about to wrap up a little fight with Rona right now. She's a ***** but all the booster you ever need. If young and healthy don't worry about another booster. The original vaccine didn't prevent me from getting pretty sick for a couple days. But I'd rather do that than a booster which is probably less effective.wolfman18 said:
I've been debating the booster, my doc just regurgitates the CDC line and recommends I should.
I'm 28, pretty healthy. I'm in sales so I meet a lot of people, so that's the reason I was considering it. I got the Pfizer vaccine and my second shot was April 2nd.
Anyone here have any thoughts?
On the data front,
Wake will fall from HIGH to SUBSTANTIAL based on the CDC's calculations tomorrow (it takes them a full day to do the math).
And that is: Last 7 Days Reported Cases to NC DHHS last 7 days/ per 100k of the 2019 Population.
Here are some charts which show the county cases by date of specimen collection. Reminder that 14.3/day is roughly equal to 100 per week per 100k.
(also the levels of that case metric is as arbitrary as any).
Wake will fall from HIGH to SUBSTANTIAL based on the CDC's calculations tomorrow (it takes them a full day to do the math).
And that is: Last 7 Days Reported Cases to NC DHHS last 7 days/ per 100k of the 2019 Population.
Here are some charts which show the county cases by date of specimen collection. Reminder that 14.3/day is roughly equal to 100 per week per 100k.
(also the levels of that case metric is as arbitrary as any).
How long before we see the beginning of the next wave?
PackFansXL said:
How long before we see the beginning of the next wave?
I think it is anybody's guess. All we can do is look at regional patterns and leading indicators.
If you start seeing that ED number with actual diagnosed COVID start to pull up. Cases are going to follow.
I still think flu coming back would be the most positive sign for low COVID.
packgrad said:dogplasma said:Because it's free, easy to get, and it can only help you stay healthy. I doubt you'll find a doctor anywhere that doesn't recommend one, probably for those exact reasons. JMHO.wolfman18 said:
I've been debating the booster, my doc just regurgitates the CDC line and recommends I should.
I'm 28, pretty healthy. I'm in sales so I meet a lot of people, so that's the reason I was considering it. I got the Pfizer vaccine and my second shot was April 2nd.
Anyone here have any thoughts?
Not really. Could have a reaction. Blood clots, myocarditis, diabetes, etc.
There's no reason a healthy 28 year old should need a booster shot based on the stats. JMHO
I respectfully disagree. And I've made it clear I've been booster hesitant as a healthy 52 yo in a high exposure career. There are many reasons a healthy 28 yo should consider getting a booster, and those reasons vary for each and every individual. There are also reasons they should consider not getting the booster, some of which you listed. The ultimate decision is based on each individual's ability to assess those reasons and weigh them against each other and make the right personal decision for themselves, their loved ones, their careers, etc.
Obviously, the decision making may be easier for older, sicker individuals, but i think saying there's no need for the consideration of a booster in any individual either assumes or disregards way too much. Plus, the dude's asking for advice. Telling him there's no need with no more knowledge of him than his age and his feeling that he's "pretty healthy" with no knowledge of the truth of that statement is not advice with a strong basis in fact. If a physician offered such an opinion without further knowledge it could be considered reckless? I wouldn't trust that doc very much.
Anyway, that's how I'm programmed to look at it i think. Right or wrong . Just my two cents.
Wayland said:PackFansXL said:
How long before we see the beginning of the next wave?
I think it is anybody's guess. All we can do is look at regional patterns and leading indicators.
If you start seeing that ED number with actual diagnosed COVID start to pull up. Cases are going to follow.
I still think flu coming back would be the most positive sign for low COVID.
Yep. Lots of other viruses starting to circulate again. It is a good sign.
There's a very very small risk of a healthy 28 year old contracting Covid that turns ugly.
There's a very very small risk of a healthy 28 year old having serious side effects from the booster.
How you weigh the risks and benefits of each approach is subjective.
For most in the medical community, I would expect them to hedge against the more serious downside risk, i.e. serious long-term illness or death, neither of which are risks with the booster but are with Covid.
Add in the upside of community benefit from having fewer vectors for a communicable disease and it's no surprise that boosters supporters outnumber booster-ambivalent medical professionals.
There's a very very small risk of a healthy 28 year old having serious side effects from the booster.
How you weigh the risks and benefits of each approach is subjective.
For most in the medical community, I would expect them to hedge against the more serious downside risk, i.e. serious long-term illness or death, neither of which are risks with the booster but are with Covid.
Add in the upside of community benefit from having fewer vectors for a communicable disease and it's no surprise that boosters supporters outnumber booster-ambivalent medical professionals.
Playing around with charts. I moved the scale to match the CDC definitions of community transmission (which really need to be adjusted).
For reference, below the dotted yellow line is "LOW".
EDIT: If I was going to go completely with new arbitrary numbers today. I would move to 50/100/200 instead of the current 10/50/100. That is based on a 30 second gut feeling based on looking at this chart, would want to think about it more. But I can instantly tell you it would be an improvement.
For reference, below the dotted yellow line is "LOW".
EDIT: If I was going to go completely with new arbitrary numbers today. I would move to 50/100/200 instead of the current 10/50/100. That is based on a 30 second gut feeling based on looking at this chart, would want to think about it more. But I can instantly tell you it would be an improvement.
This was an earlier post of his that made it sound like he's not enjoying himself while sick. Booster could potentially help someone avoid that.PackFansXL said:Why do you believe that?statefan91 said:If anything it would seem your experience with it would be more reason to get a booster?ncsualum05 said:I got Pfizer back in April as well. I wouldn't get a booster. I'm about to wrap up a little fight with Rona right now. She's a ***** but all the booster you ever need. If young and healthy don't worry about another booster. The original vaccine didn't prevent me from getting pretty sick for a couple days. But I'd rather do that than a booster which is probably less effective.wolfman18 said:
I've been debating the booster, my doc just regurgitates the CDC line and recommends I should.
I'm 28, pretty healthy. I'm in sales so I meet a lot of people, so that's the reason I was considering it. I got the Pfizer vaccine and my second shot was April 2nd.
Anyone here have any thoughts?
"Update. I tested positive Friday. Caught from kids. Friday was the last day I felt decent. I've felt like **** ever since. This is frustrating. Can't see my family or help. Been incredibly stopped up and then the cough came on yesterday. Had the Pfizer vaccine and got last shot in April. Didn't matter. Still got hammered."
Well said. Risks on either side are small for most people, but side effect risks are extremely small. Me personally, I would rather limit my Covid risk than that from a rare side effect that is likely going to be treatable anyway.Civilized said:
There's a very very small risk of a healthy 28 year old contracting Covid that turns ugly.
There's a very very small risk of a healthy 28 year old having serious side effects from the booster.
How you weigh the risks and benefits of each approach is subjective.
For most in the medical community, I would expect them to hedge against the more serious downside risk, i.e. serious long-term illness or death, neither of which are risks with the booster but are with Covid.
Add in the upside of community benefit from having fewer vectors for a communicable disease and it's no surprise that boosters supporters outnumber booster-ambivalent medical professionals.
Civilized said:
There's a very very small risk of a healthy 28 year old contracting Covid that turns ugly.
There's a very very small risk of a healthy 28 year old having serious side effects from the booster.
How you weigh the risks and benefits of each approach is subjective.
For most in the medical community, I would expect them to hedge against the more serious downside risk, i.e. serious long-term illness or death, neither of which are risks with the booster but are with Covid.
Add in the upside of community benefit from having fewer vectors for a communicable disease and it's no surprise that boosters supporters outnumber booster-ambivalent medical professionals.
Except the vaccine doesn't reduce vectors for a communicable disease.
Hopefully for your sake that will turn out to be the individual case. As of "right now", I'm not planning to get the booster... I'm not in any of the groups that they indicate it to be "highly recommended"...Glasswolf said:wolfman18 said:
I've been debating the booster, my doc just regurgitates the CDC line and recommends I should.
I'm 28, pretty healthy. I'm in sales so I meet a lot of people, so that's the reason I was considering it. I got the Pfizer vaccine and my second shot was April 2nd.
Anyone here have any thoughts?
I'm almost 62. Had my 2nd shot in April. Getting my booster in 2 weeks. Not because of any mandate. Because it's the right thing to do
AND why are they now "forcing" it on children when there is no compelling evidence that it is needed for their age group?
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In NC, I believe we will see the next wave starting by Thanksgiving. It has been delayed this year from last year's start, due to warmer than average weather this Fall. Weather started to make it's turn toward Winter temps this week and if it keeps up, cases will rise.PackFansXL said:
How long before we see the beginning of the next wave?
As far as hospitalizations are concerned, they will be much lower than last year's Winter wave, due to immunity from vaccination and previous infection. I care less about cases and more about hospitalizations. Immunity does not protect us fully from becoming infected, but it does protect us from severe infection that leads to hospitalizations and deaths.
Yeah. It was more just a polar opposite point to the quote. I knew none of the resident docs would contradict the " it can only help you stay healthy. I doubt you'll find a doctor anywhere that doesn't recommend one." line. Figured I'd get pushback on my Yang to his yin.
packgrad said:Civilized said:
There's a very very small risk of a healthy 28 year old contracting Covid that turns ugly.
There's a very very small risk of a healthy 28 year old having serious side effects from the booster.
How you weigh the risks and benefits of each approach is subjective.
For most in the medical community, I would expect them to hedge against the more serious downside risk, i.e. serious long-term illness or death, neither of which are risks with the booster but are with Covid.
Add in the upside of community benefit from having fewer vectors for a communicable disease and it's no surprise that boosters supporters outnumber booster-ambivalent medical professionals.
Except the vaccine doesn't reduce vectors for a communicable disease.
Why not?
packgrad said:
Yeah. It was more just a polar opposite point to the quote. I knew none of the resident docs would contradict the " it can only help you stay healthy. I doubt you'll find a doctor anywhere that doesn't recommend one." line. Figured I'd get pushback on my Yang to his yin.
Yeah i get it. I honestly hope most providers are using the same type of thinking when giving advice to patients who ask. There's a lot of distrust out there, and our actions matter.
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