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desope24
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To be clear, I'm not advocating for everyone to get both shots at once - just relaying my experience. It was convenient for me to do it that way and I'm not in a real high risk group. Getting your doctor's advice is never a bad idea.
packgrad
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Wayland
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In private conversations, most of our scientific colleagues agree with us on these points. While a few have spoken up, why are not more doing so? Well, some tried but failed. Others kept silent when they saw colleagues slandered and smeared in the media or censored by Big Tech. Some are government employees who are barred from contradicting official policy. Many are afraid of losing positions or research grants, aware that Dr. Fauci sits on top of the largest pile of infectious disease research money in the world. Most scientists are not experts on infectious disease outbreaks. Were we, say, oncologists, physicists or botanists, we would probably also have trusted Dr. Fauci.

The evidence is in. Governors, journalists, scientists, university presidents, hospital administrators and business leaders can continue to follow Dr. Anthony Fauci or open their eyes. After 700,000-plus COVID deaths and the devastating effects of lockdowns, it is time to return to basic principles of public health.
packgrad
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Wayland said:




He's created a cult. He should have been removed from his position already. But he has a welcome flock of disciples that want to sit at his MSM provided altar and drink from his chalice of falsehoods.


caryking
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packgrad said:


That is funny as hell!!!
On the illegal or criminal immigrants…

“they built the country, the reason our economy is growing”

Joe Biden
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statefan91
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Time to let this move to endemic territory. It's going to stick around, get vaccinated and we'll use the additional medicinal options out there for those that have bad cases.

Wayland
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statefan91 said:

Time to let this move to endemic territory. It's going to stick around, get vaccinated and we'll use the additional medicinal options out there for those that have bad cases.


Given upwards of 90% seroprevalence in India, that Delta spike must have been absolutely epic. I don't think the test identified cases do it justice.

But it is fascinating to see that COVID in India is low but flu has returned to high levels? Will that continue?



Why don't we have a real good idea of what the true infection seroprevalence is in the U.S.?

This is mostly for the shape of the curves not the levels. It is obvious that wave in India must have been massive.



The elephant in the room may be that since the effectiveness of the vaccine wanes in a few months against infection, we may just be kicking the can down the road over and over.

Will COVID inevitably come for everyone? Should we just boost the riskiest of the risky to protect them and let the wave wash over and endemicity come?

I guess we sit and wait for the next regional/seasonal wave to come and see what it does.

Daviewolf83
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statefan91 said:

Time to let this move to endemic territory. It's going to stick around, get vaccinated and we'll use the additional medicinal options out there for those that have bad cases.


There are large portions of the US who are not prepared for the disease to become endemic. They really do believe Covid can be beaten if everyone just follows orders, gets vaccinated, and wear masks/social distance when asked. For people accept the virus becoming endemic, you have to accept cases and spikes in cases at certain times of the year. You also have to accept people will die of Covid. People are not prepared to accept this after over a year and a half of masking, distancing, and shutdowns of schools and businesses.

As an example, see Montgomery County, Maryland. They are planning to reinstate indoor mask mandates this week (11/3), just days after lifting mandates, due to an increase in cases. Unfortunately, Montgomery County, like many municipalities and states, are using the CDC's antiquated guidelines on transmission that were developed prior to vaccines. They have fully vaccinated 69% of their residents and currently have a testing positivity rate of 1.5% and 51 cases per 100,000 residents for the past seven days. Based on the CDC guidelines, this qualifies as "substantial transmission."

It is time for the CDC to revise their guidelines, recognizing people who are vaccinated will become infected, but most will have minor symptoms and not become a burden to the healthcare system.
Wayland
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Daviewolf83 said:

statefan91 said:

Time to let this move to endemic territory. It's going to stick around, get vaccinated and we'll use the additional medicinal options out there for those that have bad cases.


There are large portions of the US who are not prepared for the disease to become endemic. They really do believe Covid can be beaten if everyone just follows orders, gets vaccinated, and wear masks/social distance when asked. For people accept the virus becoming endemic, you have to accept cases and spikes in cases at certain times of the year. You also have to accept people will die of Covid. People are not prepared to accept this after over a year and a half of masking, distancing, and shutdowns of schools and businesses.

As an example, see Montgomery County, Maryland. They are planning to reinstate indoor mask mandates this week (11/3), just days after lifting mandates, due to an increase in cases. Unfortunately, Montgomery County, like many municipalities and states, are using the CDC's antiquated guidelines on transmission that were developed prior to vaccines. They have fully vaccinated 69% of their residents and currently have a testing positivity rate of 1.5% and 51 cases per 100,000 residents for the past seven days. Based on the CDC guidelines, this qualifies as "substantial transmission."

It is time for the CDC to revise their guidelines, recognizing people who are vaccinated will become infected, but most will have minor symptoms and not become a burden to the healthcare system.
I think that vaccination number might be a little low. CDC estimates over 90% of eligible (>12) in MoCo are vaccinated. CDC has over 100k more totally vaccinated in MoCo. I know I had heard discussions of one of the dashboards lowballing there in the past. There is some disconnect in their numbers somewhere.

But given the demographics and socioeconomics (probably one of the wealthiest counties) I am going to lean that they are higher even than say Wake (who DHHS has at 78% >12 and CDC has at 75% > 12).

Either way, MoCo is fascinating to watch.
Werewolf
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packgrad said:

Wayland said:




He's created a cult. He should have been removed from his position already. But he has a welcome flock of disciples that want to sit at his MSM provided altar and drink from his chalice of falsehoods.



Fauci and your MSM say its a cat................I dare not question them. :-)
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https://bestnewshere.com/situation-update-nov-1-2021-australia-begins-seizing-bank-accounts-homes-licenses-to-enforce-covid-tyranny-mike-adams-must-video/



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Werewolf said:

https://bestnewshere.com/situation-update-nov-1-2021-australia-begins-seizing-bank-accounts-homes-licenses-to-enforce-covid-tyranny-mike-adams-must-video/

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What's really crazy is that this authoritarianism goes beyond COVID hysteria. Australia's parliament has passed a new bill eradicating Australians' right to digital privacy.
It's called "Surveillance Legislation Amendment (Identify and Disrupt) Bill 2021."
It gives the Australian Federal Police (AFP) and the Australian Criminal Intelligence Commission (ACIC) sweeping new powers to not just surveil Australian citizens online, but also take over and run their online accounts, lock the actual user out of the account, and add or delete data.
The police never have to notify a person that their account has been hacked by the government.
What they are calling "warrants" actually do not always require an actual court or judge to sign off.
An "emergency authorization," allows police to bypass the courts entirely. And why should anyone be concerned about that? It's not like the Australian government has ever abused its emergency powers before…
The right to travel, the right to protest, the right to privacy, the right to due process, the right to leave your home and earn a living these are basic human rights that are now gone in Australia.
It should be obvious by now to every citizen of any Western nation that never-ending "emergency powers" can easily snowball into a full-blown dictatorship.
There is no reason it couldn't happen to other formerly free nations as well.
Scary times!!
Werewolf
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^ Australians voluntarily gave up their weapons about 7-8 years ago..........just asking for what they're getting now. New Zealand is also underway and Canada too.......these govts strictly under the thumb of that handful of elites.

This is a fight for the globe........its that simple.
Werewolf
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https://bestnewshere.com/australian-military-being-trained-to-force-vaccinate-in-door-to-door-attacks-must-video/
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The fact that Newsweek, of all sources, allowed this to print is amazing.
Werewolf
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https://rumble.com/vkopys-a-pathologist-summary-of-what-these-jabs-do-to-the-brain-and-other-organs.html

What are your thoughts on this video olsoulja?
Daviewolf83
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Per the latest info from DHHS, immunity from previous infection appears to provide better protection from Covid infection than the vaccine. There are many studies showing immunity from previous infection is real and it is lasting. One out of Israel indicated immunity from previous infection was stronger than immunity from vaccination. I am waiting for a study to come out of Johns Hopkins in late November/early December that looks closely at post infection immunity. It could provide even more evidence that post infection immunity is as good as vaccination conveyed immunity.

While I fully support vaccination to get immunity (less risky than going the infection route), people and leaders need to stop discounting the protection of previous infection. Vaccine mandates should end and people who have had Covid previously should be considered to be as protected as someone who is vaccinated. The EU recognizes previous infection equally with vaccination, but the US has ignored immunity from previous infection.

statefan91
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Daviewolf83 said:

Per the latest info from DHHS, immunity from previous infection appears to provide better protection from Covid infection than the vaccine. There are many studies showing immunity from previous infection is real and it is lasting. One out of Israel indicated immunity from previous infection was stronger than immunity from vaccination. I am waiting for a study to come out of Johns Hopkins in late November/early December that looks closely at post infection immunity. It could provide even more evidence that post infection immunity is as good as vaccination conveyed immunity.

While I fully support vaccination to get immunity (less risky than going the infection route), people and leaders need to stop discounting the protection of previous infection. Vaccine mandates should end and people who have had Covid previously should be considered to be as protected as someone who is vaccinated. The EU recognizes previous infection equally with vaccination, but the US has ignored immunity from previous infection.


Would love that because my kids have had COVID already and I'd prefer not to quarantine unnecessarily
GuerrillaPack
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The fact that covid-recovered (natural) immunity is being willfully denied is yet more evidence that this entire covid pLandemic agenda has ZERO do with our health and trying to protect us from the threat of the Wu flu.

Similarly, the fact that the elites (high-level politicians, etc) ignore their own mask mandates is glaring proof that the "threat" from the Rona is vastly overblown, and that this is all a fraud.

If they actually cared about people achieving immunity and protection, then they would certainly acknowledge natural immunity. But they don't. Why? Because this entire agenda is about forcing these vaccines on everyone -- with vaccine passports being a first step towards this communist "social credit score" system, where people will be made outcasts from society if they don't bow to the government agenda -- vaccines first, then other things being required.

The powers-that-be (elites, whatever you want to call them) care absolutely nothing about the health of the masses. From the perspective of Big Pharma and the medical Establishment, there is no profit/money to be made from healthy people. This is also why 99% of the medical Establishment almost completely ignores natural cures and emphasizing eating healthy -- ie, with most diseases actually being cured through proper diet and getting required nutrients/minerals/etc....and only push costly pills/drugs as the "only cures" for diseases.
"Ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you." - John 15:19
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Werewolf said:

https://bestnewshere.com/situation-update-nov-1-2021-australia-begins-seizing-bank-accounts-homes-licenses-to-enforce-covid-tyranny-mike-adams-must-video/




Further proof that the real agenda here is to move towards a "mark of the Beast" type system -- where you cannot buy or sell without submitting.

It's not about health. It's about this tyrannical agenda. They pre-planned and manufactured the "virus threat" in order to advance this agenda. Research United Nations Agenda 21 and 30 and the plan for "The Great Reset" of society (per the World Economic Forum and others). Research "Event 201" run in October 2019 by the Bill Gates Foundation and the World Economic Forum, "coincidentally" predicting a worldwide pandemic and governments and businesses implementing all these draconian measures, as it has now actually happened. Research the GAVI "health pass" (also run by the Bill Gates Foundation) rolled out in West Africa a few years ago, where reportedly they are moving towards people not being able to have bank/credit accounts unless they are vaccinated.

If you think that Bill Gates and these other communist elites actually care about your health and that of the masses, you are insane. These people are on record publicly admitting that they want worldwide human population reduction -- and, by the way, fanatically promote abortion and various other measures to achieve this goal. They are control freaks who want to subjugate humanity.
"Ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you." - John 15:19
Wayland
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Walensky is speaking directly to the ACIP members before the meeting.

I guess got to make sure the committee votes how she wants.
ncsualum05
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Update. I tested positive Friday. Caught from kids. Friday was the last day I felt decent. I've felt like **** ever since. This is frustrating. Can't see my family or help. Been incredibly stopped up and then the cough came on yesterday. Had the Pfizer vaccine and got last shot in April. Didn't matter. Still got hammered.

Kids have been fine. This does not affect children like it does adults. My wife has so far been fine. She had moderna. It could be luck.

Bottom line… this thing sucks. I don't think for a minute that this wasn't engineered for this purpose. It may have been a leak but it was made.
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ncsualum05 said:

Update. I tested positive Friday. Caught from kids. Friday was the last day I felt decent. I've felt like **** ever since. This is frustrating. Can't see my family or help. Been incredibly stopped up and then the cough came on yesterday. Had the Pfizer vaccine and got last shot in April. Didn't matter. Still got hammered.

Kids have been fine. This does not affect children like it does adults. My wife has so far been fine. She had moderna. It could be luck.

Bottom line… this thing sucks. I don't think for a minute that this wasn't engineered for this purpose. It may have been a leak but it was made.

Sorry to hear it, alum.

Hope you're feeling better very soon!
statefan91
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Good thread on twitter with someone documenting discussion, questions, etc:



Sounds very positive in terms of side effects monitored, efficacy (90.7%), etc.
hokiewolf
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Update 14 hours in the ER later (note to everyone. Avoid the ER on Mondays). The diagnosis is colitis which is honestly painful good news. No idea is the booster shot play some sort of role or not. Can't confirm it nor rule it out
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hokiewolf said:

Update 14 hours in the ER later (note to everyone. Avoid the ER on Mondays). The diagnosis is colitis which is honestly painful good news. No idea is the booster shot play some sort of role or not. Can't confirm it nor rule it out
Oh man. That's not fun. Hope you feel better.
Werewolf
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ncsualum05 said:

Update. I tested positive Friday. Caught from kids. Friday was the last day I felt decent. I've felt like **** ever since. This is frustrating. Can't see my family or help. Been incredibly stopped up and then the cough came on yesterday. Had the Pfizer vaccine and got last shot in April. Didn't matter. Still got hammered.

Kids have been fine. This does not affect children like it does adults. My wife has so far been fine. She had moderna. It could be luck.

Bottom line… this thing sucks. I don't think for a minute that this wasn't engineered for this purpose. It may have been a leak but it was made
Released on purpose........not leaked.

To connect the dots for you, and for those too lazy to research for the sake of their life and their families, go to RUMBLE dot com and then search for "Monopoly" ...play that film. Its about 75-90 min long. It connects the dots. Its unsettling to those that haven't already come to terms with this, I understand and I'm sorry. We are all in this together as Americans and why I share this unfortunate and unsettling truth.

If still not convinced, stay in RUMBLE dot com and then search for "Plandemic Judy Mikovits". Watch Part 1.....and then search for Part 2. Watch Part 2. If you're still not convinced, pay no further attention to me, please, I don't have the time for ya.

The three of these films connect the dots about as well as anything I've seen that might otherwise take one into the weeds on some of the particulars like the virus, the jabs, the election, the mandates, Afghanistan, the supply chain, EMP solar flares, La Palma, adrenac$ro@e, etc.........all part of the puzzle.

Packchem91
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My company today updated travel policy, effective Nov 15. You must be vaccinated to travel via airplanes going forward. Said it would be administered by our online travel agency, but all I saw was a notification specifying the requirement (maybe that will change on the 15th)

Policy did say it does not affect local travel to visit customer sites, etc..just air travel.

Makes me think we'll see some similar policy when our return to office starts up in January.
Packchem91
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ncsualum05 said:

Update. I tested positive Friday. Caught from kids. Friday was the last day I felt decent. I've felt like **** ever since. This is frustrating. Can't see my family or help. Been incredibly stopped up and then the cough came on yesterday. Had the Pfizer vaccine and got last shot in April. Didn't matter. Still got hammered.

Kids have been fine. This does not affect children like it does adults. My wife has so far been fine. She had moderna. It could be luck.

Bottom line… this thing sucks. I don't think for a minute that this wasn't engineered for this purpose. It may have been a leak but it was made.


Hope you recover soon.
GuerrillaPack
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They had some people come by yesterday morning and give booster shots at the company I work at, and a lot of my co-workers got the boosters. Come today, around 30% of the people immediately around me who took the shots are taking the day off because they are not feeling good. I'm overhearing one of my co-workers complaining about how his arm (where the shot was administered) at first was very sore, and now over the course of the day he's feeling worse and his whole body is sore.

Another co-worker has been talking about how her arm/shoulder where the shot was given is unusually swollen.


"Ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you." - John 15:19
Wayland
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ACIP recommended vax for 5-11

Basically a rubber stamp meeting. Less actual conversation than FDA had.

Would still like them to go back and review what is going on with 2nd dose 12-29 y/o males.
statefan91
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Awesome - getting my 6 year old signed up. One dose + his previous infection should be sufficient
Werewolf
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VANDEN BOSSCHE & MALONE: COVID-19 GIANTS UNITE (*****ute.com)

3 world renowned experts discuss the JABs. The vaccinated are super spreaders & risk our entire species..

He has done a prior show of virus = football X's and O's.....with Vanden Bossche so you get Phillip Xs and O's right here. :-)
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