"But it won't be viewed as a scientific failure, because science is dead; idiocy and innumeracy have won a total victory. And though I will continue to be deeply confused when I see masked bicyclists on campus, I have realized that there is an ironic logic to their decision: after all, there's no point in protecting your brain if you don't plan on using it. At Stanford, nobody expects you to do either."

Someone at Stanford did an observational exercise where they figured out more Stanford students are wearing masks while riding bicycles outside than wearing helmets https://t.co/frzI62JWOS

— Zaid Jilani (@ZaidJilani) September 29, 2021

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Just like "herd immunity", "fully vaccinated" has now been redefined. Fauci, the drug salesman, says you need the booster shot to be "fully vaccinated".

Science.

Dr. Fauci says 'fully vaccinated' now includes booster shotshttps://t.co/ap9U7mdL3T

— Jack Posobiec 🇺🇸 (@JackPosobiec) September 29, 2021

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lol it has not been redefined. You just want to interpret it that way.

this is no different than how a flu shot would work. People get a flu shot each year if they dont want to get sick to boost their immunity to the flu(ie stay fully vaccinated against the flu)

Though I'm sure some crackpot will go on to say how these shots are nothing like a flu shot. yaddy yaddy yadda.

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MayorStoner said:

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packgrad said:

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Just like "herd immunity", "fully vaccinated" has now been redefined. Fauci, the drug salesman, says you need the booster shot to be "fully vaccinated".

Science.

Dr. Fauci says 'fully vaccinated' now includes booster shotshttps://t.co/ap9U7mdL3T

— Jack Posobiec 🇺🇸 (@JackPosobiec) September 29, 2021

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lol it has not been redefined. You just want to interpret it that way.

this is no different than how a flu shot would work. People get a flu shot each year if they dont want to get sick to boost their immunity to the flu(ie stay fully vaccinated against the flu)

Though I'm sure some crackpot will go on to say how these shots are nothing like a flu shot. yaddy yaddy yadda.

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Bull***** Crackpots are requiring full vaccination for service. Cities and states are requiring full vaccination for employment. It has been redefined.

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yea and some businesses dont allow people wearing their britches below their butt to enter either. Just like those other businesses, that's within their rights. America. Love it or leave it.

And a true crackpot is an anti-vaxxer. Peoples love for the Baby Boomer's savior Trump is literally killing them. it's just ****ing amazing to see. Person after person on their social media with anti-vax posts, dying one right after the other. True crackpots and crackpots right to the grave.

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MayorStoner said:

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packgrad said:

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Just like "herd immunity", "fully vaccinated" has now been redefined. Fauci, the drug salesman, says you need the booster shot to be "fully vaccinated".

Science.

Dr. Fauci says 'fully vaccinated' now includes booster shotshttps://t.co/ap9U7mdL3T

— Jack Posobiec 🇺🇸 (@JackPosobiec) September 29, 2021

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lol it has not been redefined. You just want to interpret it that way.

this is no different than how a flu shot would work. People get a flu shot each year if they dont want to get sick to boost their immunity to the flu(ie stay fully vaccinated against the flu)

Though I'm sure some crackpot will go on to say how these shots are nothing like a flu shot. yaddy yaddy yadda.

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Bull***** Crackpots are requiring full vaccination for service. Cities and states are requiring full vaccination for employment. It has been redefined.

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yea and some businesses dont allow people wearing their britches below their butt to enter either. Just like those other businesses, that's within their rights. America. Love it or leave it.

And a true crackpot is an anti-vaxxer. Peoples love for the Baby Boomer's savior Trump is literally killing them. it's just ****ing amazing to see. Person after person on their social media with anti-vax posts, dying one right after the other. True crackpots and crackpots right to the grave.

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So redefining fully vaccinated is ok because businesses require patrons to pull up their pants. Lol. So stupid.

But Trump. Lol.

I tend to think the true crackpots are the ones that celebrate their neighbors dying from covid because they were unvaccinated. A true cult.

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Celebrating? It's freaking beyond sad. Who the hell is celebrating? I dont wish death on someone just because they are stupid.

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I work for a company that has a self attestation to vaccination status and there's been nothing mentioned about boosters at all, let alone boosters being required for someone to say that they are fully vaccinated.

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yea and some businesses dont allow people wearing their britches below their butt to enter either. Just like those other businesses, that's within their rights. America. Love it or leave it.

And a true crackpot is an anti-vaxxer. Peoples love for the Baby Boomer's savior Trump is literally killing them. it's just ****ing amazing to see. Person after person on their social media with anti-vax posts, dying one right after the other. True crackpots and crackpots right to the grave.

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Forcing someone to be injected with a mystery concoction of who knows what in order to have a job, travel, or be able to buy and sell is the antithesis of everything America stands for. It's the epitome of tyranny. If we have the freedom to do anything, it should include what goes into our own bodies.

And f*** Trump. He was the one who pushed this vaccine, starting "operation warp speed" and is still pushing people to be injected. Trump is controlled opposition, and a lifelong Democrat and liberal who just pretended to be "conservative" and ran as a Republican. He talked like a conservative, but enacted policies of a Democrat -- pushing gun control (bump stock ban, red flag laws, etc), big spending and debt, and doing nothing to stop illegal immigration and actually signing some amnesty legislation, etc. He betrayed his conservative supporters.

If conservatives were in a "Trump cult" then they would all have followed Trump's advice and been injected with the poison right now.

And, by the way, in case you haven't heard...blacks and hispanics actually have a much lower vaccination rate than white Americans. So it's not even primarily "Trump supporters" who are not getting injected.

Here are the ingredients -

Pfizer-BioNTech = The vaccine includes the following ingredients: mRNA, lipids ((4- hydroxybutyl)azanediyl)bis(hexane-6,1-diyl)bis(2-hexyldecanoate), 2 [(polyethylene glycol)-2000]-N,N-ditetradecylacetamide, 1,2-Distearoyl-sn-glycero-3-phosphocholine, and cholesterol), potassium chloride, monobasic potassium phosphate, sodium chloride, dibasic sodium phosphate dihydrate, and sucrose.

Moderna = The Moderna COVID-19 Vaccine contains the following ingredients: messenger ribonucleic acid (mRNA), lipids (SM-102, polyethylene glycol [PEG] 2000 dimyristoyl glycerol [DMG], cholesterol, and 1,2-distearoyl-sn-glycero-3-phosphocholine [DSPC]), tromethamine, tromethamine hydrochloride, acetic acid, sodium acetate trihydrate, and sucrose.

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I work for a company that has a self attestation to vaccination status and there's been nothing mentioned about boosters at all, let alone boosters being required for someone to say that they are fully vaccinated.

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Thanks for the update. I wouldn't expect your company to have updated their policy in the one to two days since he said that.

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Here are the ingredients -

Pfizer-BioNTech = The vaccine includes the following ingredients: mRNA, lipids ((4- hydroxybutyl)azanediyl)bis(hexane-6,1-diyl)bis(2-hexyldecanoate), 2 [(polyethylene glycol)-2000]-N,N-ditetradecylacetamide, 1,2-Distearoyl-sn-glycero-3-phosphocholine, and cholesterol), potassium chloride, monobasic potassium phosphate, sodium chloride, dibasic sodium phosphate dihydrate, and sucrose.

Moderna = The Moderna COVID-19 Vaccine contains the following ingredients: messenger ribonucleic acid (mRNA), lipids (SM-102, polyethylene glycol [PEG] 2000 dimyristoyl glycerol [DMG], cholesterol, and 1,2-distearoyl-sn-glycero-3-phosphocholine [DSPC]), tromethamine, tromethamine hydrochloride, acetic acid, sodium acetate trihydrate, and sucrose.

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Yeah, right....like I trust Big Pharma (or the government) to be truthful about what's in the magic injections, and their actual side effects.

And I bet you believe that Joe Biden and the other top politicians actually took the shots at their photo ops too, right? More like a saline injection or empty syringe.

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Hey guys wanted to thank everyone that has posted facts and statistics. I am on the board of a private school in Charlotte and your information is helping us make decisions about our kids. We have had a few teachers lately who have been telling others that numbers are on the rise and that Covid has not peaked. I have been able to share real information and it has helped the uninformed realize they have not been getting fed the facts. So thanks guys you are awesome and helping my community.

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So I started playing with the county data a little.

Interesting to see that the case distribution. Wake was more affected by 'Back to School' additional testing and Meck had a greater Labor day disruption.

The counties populations are 'close enough' that for this, I didn't adjust for population.

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Side note on Meck. It looks like they have a 240 case jail outbreak. First showed up in CLF report with 52 cases on 9/7 and then up to 240 by 9/21. I am guessing some of that Labor Day disruption in Meck is actually jail cases as well.

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Merck announces they have an antiviral pill that cuts the risk of hospitalization in half in at-risk patients who are showing early signs of Covid. They stopped their randomized trials early because of the hugely successful results and are applying for emergency use authorization in the US. The US has apparently placed an advance order (I forget the amount - a couple million doses I think).

https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/mercks-covid-19-pill-cuts-risk-death-hospitalization-by-50-study-2021-10-01/

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If this works, it is great. I am continually skeptical with results that look THIS good.

But if it is real, would certainly be a game changer.

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A planned interim analysis of 775 patients in Merck's study found that 7.3% of those given molnupiravir were either hospitalized or had died by 29 days after treatment, compared with 14.1% of placebo patients. There were no deaths in the molnupiravir group, but there were eight deaths of placebo patients.

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I assume they wouldn't stop the study if they weren't convinced it has a major positive effect. I'm sure if it were 5% vs 50% they wouldn't do that.

New COVID-19 data thru 9/29 » https://t.co/vjcrS9R76t

Cases, hospitalizations, % positive (8.9%), and deaths are all decreasing. Cases are down almost 18% from the previous 14-day total. pic.twitter.com/nU8dkgy62j

— Mecklenburg County (@MeckCounty) October 1, 2021

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Merck announces they have an antiviral pill that cuts the risk of hospitalization in half in at-risk patients who are showing early signs of Covid. They stopped their randomized trials early because of the hugely successful results and are applying for emergency use authorization in the US. The US has apparently placed an advance order (I forget the amount - a couple million doses I think).

https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/mercks-covid-19-pill-cuts-risk-death-hospitalization-by-50-study-2021-10-01/

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Great news.

The more efficacious vaccines and treatments we have, the better.

Would be an interesting psychology test case to see how many vaccine-hesitant Americans who were nervous about the vaccines approved under an EUA are willing to take this antiviral under an EUA.

Would likely be a medical corollary to "there are no atheists in foxholes."

When inputs change, outputs change. If you're unvaxxed and think you have COVID there's the real possibility your risk/reward analysis changes quickly regarding what you're willing to ingest to hedge against serious illness or death.

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A planned interim analysis of 775 patients in Merck's study found that 7.3% of those given molnupiravir were either hospitalized or had died by 29 days after treatment, compared with 14.1% of placebo patients. There were no deaths in the molnupiravir group, but there were eight deaths of placebo patients.

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Would've sucked to have been the placebo lol

Have seen this mentioned here a good bit:

As Obesity Takes A Greater Toll In COVID Deaths, Health Officials Are Quiet - I and others comment about how interesting it is that we don't talk about obesity enough; we should as this co-morbidity as a true riskhttps://t.co/DBsqOhj3gS

— Monica Gandhi MD, MPH (@MonicaGandhi9) October 1, 2021

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A planned interim analysis of 775 patients in Merck's study found that 7.3% of those given molnupiravir were either hospitalized or had died by 29 days after treatment, compared with 14.1% of placebo patients. There were no deaths in the molnupiravir group, but there were eight deaths of placebo patients.

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The ultimate version of taking one for the team!

Definitely agree with this - it reminds me of when Charlotte leaders were talking about opening up a field hospital because of our numbers and in reality we never came close to needing something like that.

Been playing with the county data some. Here are the top 7 counties in NC (in population) with cases adjusted for population for the most recent wave,