NC coronavirus update : Hospitalizations trending downward, but people getting sicker; 1 in 5 hospitalized are on a ventilator. https://t.co/AK4SNCHd6m

— WRAL NEWS in NC (@WRAL) October 1, 2021

Draymond Green with the best covid statement I’ve seen since March 2020. Listen:
pic.twitter.com/zueGKNRhqR

— Gary Sheffield Jr. (@GarysheffieldJr) October 1, 2021

statefan91 said:

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I assume those hesitant to take the vaccine would also be hesitant to take this since it would be approved under EUA.

It also doesn't really contribute to getting to a level of immunity unless the person gets COVID, then takes the pill and hopefully recovers. The links I posted above show significantly lower levels of transmission in highly vaccinated areas.

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packgrad said:

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statefan91 said:

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I assume those hesitant to take the vaccine would also be hesitant to take this since it would be approved under EUA.

It also doesn't really contribute to getting to a level of immunity unless the person gets COVID, then takes the pill and hopefully recovers. The links I posted above show significantly lower levels of transmission in highly vaccinated areas.

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You don't care about immunity. You only care about the label. I'm sure you think that about the people that haven't taken the vaccine. You've chosen a side and the shaming has to continue if this new option becomes available.

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statefan91 said:

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packgrad said:

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statefan91 said:

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I assume those hesitant to take the vaccine would also be hesitant to take this since it would be approved under EUA.

It also doesn't really contribute to getting to a level of immunity unless the person gets COVID, then takes the pill and hopefully recovers. The links I posted above show significantly lower levels of transmission in highly vaccinated areas.

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You don't care about immunity. You only care about the label. I'm sure you think that about the people that haven't taken the vaccine. You've chosen a side and the shaming has to continue if this new option becomes available.

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100% correct. I don't care about immunity and the ability to not worry every time I get an e-mail / call from school or daycare that they're shutting down for two weeks, that I have to take time off work, etc. I just really care mostly about tracking who is vaccinated and who isn't.

Holy **** not sure what you're smoking but give it a break.

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statefan91 said:

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packgrad said:

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statefan91 said:

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I assume those hesitant to take the vaccine would also be hesitant to take this since it would be approved under EUA.

It also doesn't really contribute to getting to a level of immunity unless the person gets COVID, then takes the pill and hopefully recovers. The links I posted above show significantly lower levels of transmission in highly vaccinated areas.

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You don't care about immunity. You only care about the label. I'm sure you think that about the people that haven't taken the vaccine. You've chosen a side and the shaming has to continue if this new option becomes available.

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100% correct. I don't care about immunity and the ability to not worry every time I get an e-mail / call from school or daycare that they're shutting down for two weeks, that I have to take time off work, etc. I just really care mostly about tracking who is vaccinated and who isn't.

Holy **** not sure what you're smoking but give it a break.

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packgrad said:

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Mormad said:

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packgrad said:

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Wayland said:

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dogplasma said:

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Merck announces they have an antiviral pill that cuts the risk of hospitalization in half in at-risk patients who are showing early signs of Covid. They stopped their randomized trials early because of the hugely successful results and are applying for emergency use authorization in the US. The US has apparently placed an advance order (I forget the amount - a couple million doses I think).

https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/mercks-covid-19-pill-cuts-risk-death-hospitalization-by-50-study-2021-10-01/

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If this works, it is great. I am continually skeptical with results that look THIS good.

But if it is real, would certainly be a game changer.

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A planned interim analysis of 775 patients in Merck's study found that 7.3% of those given molnupiravir were either hospitalized or had died by 29 days after treatment, compared with 14.1% of placebo patients. There were no deaths in the molnupiravir group, but there were eight deaths of placebo patients.

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Complete game changer. Eliminates the tribalism of the vaccinated vs unvaccinated. Although, that's a big part of one segment of society's entire belief structure now, so I expect it will take time.

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Do you mind explaining why you think this potentially eliminates the tribalism?

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Do you mind explaining why it wouldn't? I feel like it's obvious why it would.

Edit. My reasoning

Symptomatic… and there is a treatment. Scoreboard of vaccinated or unvaccinated is irrelevant.

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Mormad said:

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packgrad said:

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Mormad said:

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packgrad said:

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Wayland said:

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dogplasma said:

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Merck announces they have an antiviral pill that cuts the risk of hospitalization in half in at-risk patients who are showing early signs of Covid. They stopped their randomized trials early because of the hugely successful results and are applying for emergency use authorization in the US. The US has apparently placed an advance order (I forget the amount - a couple million doses I think).

https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/mercks-covid-19-pill-cuts-risk-death-hospitalization-by-50-study-2021-10-01/

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If this works, it is great. I am continually skeptical with results that look THIS good.

But if it is real, would certainly be a game changer.

Quote:

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A planned interim analysis of 775 patients in Merck's study found that 7.3% of those given molnupiravir were either hospitalized or had died by 29 days after treatment, compared with 14.1% of placebo patients. There were no deaths in the molnupiravir group, but there were eight deaths of placebo patients.

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Complete game changer. Eliminates the tribalism of the vaccinated vs unvaccinated. Although, that's a big part of one segment of society's entire belief structure now, so I expect it will take time.

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Do you mind explaining why you think this potentially eliminates the tribalism?

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Do you mind explaining why it wouldn't? I feel like it's obvious why it would.

Edit. My reasoning

Symptomatic… and there is a treatment. Scoreboard of vaccinated or unvaccinated is irrelevant.

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Yeah, well i didn't think it was so obvious. No reason to be an arsehole about it. I wasn't challenging you, dude. I was simply asking a fcking question.

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packgrad said:

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Mormad said:

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packgrad said:

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Mormad said:

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packgrad said:

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Wayland said:

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dogplasma said:

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Merck announces they have an antiviral pill that cuts the risk of hospitalization in half in at-risk patients who are showing early signs of Covid. They stopped their randomized trials early because of the hugely successful results and are applying for emergency use authorization in the US. The US has apparently placed an advance order (I forget the amount - a couple million doses I think).

https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/mercks-covid-19-pill-cuts-risk-death-hospitalization-by-50-study-2021-10-01/

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If this works, it is great. I am continually skeptical with results that look THIS good.

But if it is real, would certainly be a game changer.

Quote:

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A planned interim analysis of 775 patients in Merck's study found that 7.3% of those given molnupiravir were either hospitalized or had died by 29 days after treatment, compared with 14.1% of placebo patients. There were no deaths in the molnupiravir group, but there were eight deaths of placebo patients.

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Complete game changer. Eliminates the tribalism of the vaccinated vs unvaccinated. Although, that's a big part of one segment of society's entire belief structure now, so I expect it will take time.

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Do you mind explaining why you think this potentially eliminates the tribalism?

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Do you mind explaining why it wouldn't? I feel like it's obvious why it would.

Edit. My reasoning

Symptomatic… and there is a treatment. Scoreboard of vaccinated or unvaccinated is irrelevant.

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Yeah, well i didn't think it was so obvious. No reason to be an arsehole about it. I wasn't challenging you, dude. I was simply asking a fcking question.

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Wasn't being an *******. Maybe you should look in the fcking mirror if you want to call names, dude.

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TheStorm said:

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Packchem91 said:

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LOL, you have not paid attention the last 100 pages on this thread. Some people have to be angry about every. single. thing. He is ours.

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Absolutely hilarious. Especially coming from you.

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Packchem91 said:

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TheStorm said:

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Packchem91 said:

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LOL, you have not paid attention the last 100 pages on this thread. Some people have to be angry about every. single. thing. He is ours.

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Absolutely hilarious. Especially coming from you.

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What makes you think I'm angry about anything? I'm happy as can be. Life is good. Not perfect, but certainly not somethign to walk around griping about every day

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WPNfamily said:

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Best take I have seen in a long time

The big issue with natural immunity is that nobody gets rich.

— Robert J. O'Neill (@mchooyah) October 2, 2021

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Mormad said:

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What's more interesting to consider is who's getting poor off of covid. Two Harvard economists estimated the pandemic will cost the US 16 trillion. I assume much of that is self inflicted with poor policy. Certainly gaining natural immunity is one way to get us to the endpoint of endemicity and costs will wane, but is it really preferred over avoiding infection all together at whatever level is ultimately attainable (from either a health or economic standpoint)? The direct and indirect costs of infection are sucking the life out of us it seems.

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Oldsouljer said:

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Mormad said:

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What's more interesting to consider is who's getting poor off of covid. Two Harvard economists estimated the pandemic will cost the US 16 trillion. I assume much of that is self inflicted with poor policy. Certainly gaining natural immunity is one way to get us to the endpoint of endemicity and costs will wane, but is it really preferred over avoiding infection all together at whatever level is ultimately attainable (from either a health or economic standpoint)? The direct and indirect costs of infection are sucking the life out of us it seems.

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Lockdowns "slow the spread" of natural immunity. Once the pathogenic mechanisms of Covid were generally understood, we should have returned to normal activity immediately with exceptions concerning extra precautions for the associated risk groups within the population. The human body beat the corporations in the race for a vaccine. The reputations of NIH and CDC are one of the major casualties of Covid.

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