Wayland said:
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New York City will require vaccines for entry to restaurants and gyms - CNN
I don't think its the government's place to dictate this for private businesses. But not a surprise it would be NYC.
Agree 100%.
THIS is a freedom being taken from Americans/business owners.
Hey... Civ is actually espousing a conservative idea... also, do you feel the same about mask?
No.
Masks are essentially no risk and are not intrusive.
Also, very importantly, they don't have consequential economic or emotional associated costs. They don't create isolation. They don't keep anyone from making a living.
They're all upside.
Wonderful post!!! Love how you are all in on the MARXIST/COMMUNIST movement. At least you are no longer keeping it a secret!
Tell my 10 year old daughter how they aren't "intrusive." Tell the kids that could hardly understand the teacher when when she was talking when the went back to school and had to wear the masks.
We don't know what the cost long term is financial, physical or most of all mental yet. But you and your lefty comrades sure don't mind sacrificing the youth of America to make sure they grow up indoctrinated that when the government tells you something to take it as gospel and follow blindly.
Not me pal. You can take the mask and go pound sand with it.
Enjoy!! I'm sure you've watched it several times already.
Actually, I agree with some of this. After trying to hear kids interact with me all last week, I can fully appreciate that for school kids, hearing when masks are used is exponentially tougher. If the statistics still bear out that kids are almost invariably safe from the virus, then let them go without so they can participate more naturally.
Unfortunately, I do think the stats are starting to swing towards more kids getting sick, and more sick than say, 6 months ago.so that would have to be monitored.
Ie, if they are too young to healthily vaccinate, amd there is a modified version of Covid that more aggressively and effectively hits kids.then in person and massless may not be an option
Are kids getting sicker with COVID though? Davie's hospitalization age numbers don't show any significant increase (over the winter wave). Or is that just the prevailing anecdotal media driven fear?
Or maybe additional hospitalizations with RSV are also being seen as a respiratory issue. But, I would like to see raw data beyond fear anecdotes that there is real additional significant risk for peds with Delta.
The last two months were the lowest two months for pediatric fatalities since the pandemic began.
100%, Completely fair. I hope you are right and it is anecdotal.
It's why I said "if it's getting worse". But school has also been out this summer, so I'd expect rates to be lower? Now schools are kicking off again let's hope stories like Union Academy are few and far between
Why? Schools are shown to have a lower overall transmission rate than typical community spread where they are located.
Children don't just 'disappear' when they are not in school, they go somewhere. And since schools have a below community spread level and kids in general are not efficient spreaders (possible but not efficient), it is certainly possible they are at greater risk elsewhere.
EDIT: Union Academy didn't show up on the outbreak report so I don't have a breakdown, so I will go with the media reported 14 cases (8 students, 6 staff?). There were about 500 other people in Union County who tested positive for COVID in the last week. Does that isolated incident really move the needle?
Listen, you are much more informed on Covid than I am, so I'm not going to argue details with you. I hope you are 100% correct and it's a non-event. It will be great when students are in class and things are running normally.
So it's your argument that the rate in New Orleans and other areas "supposedly " recently affected by Delta, has not affected kids any more than it did, say 9 months ago?
I hope that is correct
I'll have to look into LA specifics. Will there be more pediatric cases when there are more overall cases? Sure. Will there be a greater number of cases that require additional medical intervention? Of course.
If 100 kids catch Alpha and 100 kids catch Delta and 100 kids catch Wild which have the most serious outcomes?
And what are those risks compared to the every day risks children take? Are they still a greater risk from the ride to school than COVID in school? Or gun violence?
I have to take a deep breath every time I let my kid ride his bike to the pool or go out with friends... Or do anyone of 1000 activities. I compartmentalize that parental fear. The relative risk for him or any healthy child is SO FAR DOWN the list of things that are realistically going to harm them, it isnt healthy media and health leaders to continue to cause irrational fear.
Every child death is an absolute tragedy. From any cause. But the real world realtive risk to a healthy child from COVID is very low. It isn't zero... But it is closer to zero than many other activities. So how do you balance that risk?
Great practical and philosophical questions. As a parent of 4 that have begun driving (and lives near a dangerous intersection on the way to school....I know that catch in the throat that occurs every AM and every PM til "you know").
The easiest answer I'd have is...we do things to mitigate the risks of those things
We wear seat belts and make them take DE.
We move out of the city, away from teh dangerous neighborhoods into the safe suburban areas
We don't let them jump out of hay lofts or ride in graddaddy's lap on the dangerous tractor.
We don't let them hang out with certain friends.
We restrict their access to certain TV shows or internet sites
What is the risk preventer w/Covid for kids? Based on the past 18 mos...one wasn't terribly needed. To your point...it was likely more risky to their long-term well-being to stay at home, away from friends and social development.
If that same strain is the only one today, it would seem 100% logical to quasi-"ignore" it, and just do normal life for kids. And in summertime outdoors activities, that still seems plausible.
Thats why I tried to phrase it the way I did...."what if" this new strain is more contagious, spreads to kids more easily, AND can cause more serious consequences more regularly. Don't know if any of that is validated yet, though some of the leaders/doctors in the hard-hit areas say so.
But...you bring out the over-arching issue -- fear. We have normalized the long standing risks you call out. We've heard about them forever, we can quantify them (to a degree), we think we've done enough, and unless someone takes a gun into a school/crowded area, we don't hear about those much.
Covid---it sells. It's captures attention. It scares us. Sure...its 99% recoverable, but 600k Americans have died. Our entire lives have changed because of it, unlike any other event in our lifetimes. That stigma doesn't go away overnight. The media hypes it, and %%'s, but are the relative numbers still really just trivial?
I don't know the answers -- but I wish we, as a nation, could discuss it w/o one side or the other pitching a hissy fit about it, which is what seems to happen more often than not. Like most things, I assume the answer is pretty much in the middle of what each "side" is suggesting.
I've tried to live my parenting life as a mix of both risk-averse and "shake it off and get back out there". My family has lived life to pretty much its fullest over these past 18 months, but also taken the appropriate precautions of vaccines and wearing a mask if asked (it had been many months w/o one, until last week). I don't really plan to change that, and I hope parents of school-aged children don't either. At same time, I really pity school boards, who have to make decisions on behalf of thousands of kids, many of whom may not be as well protected or informed as yours would be. With differing data points flying at them....and then that change i in the flash of a news cycle.
