On the international scene, something to watch. A couple of twitter data people were guessing at seasonal peaks.

This was as of July 20:



I still think we will see regional rollovers in the US earlier than 3 weeks (even if it takes that long for national).

But there is a chance that UK may be rolling over its peak. Worth watching this week.

While we need to wait at least a week past any potential peak to see if it holds, the UK's reported cases dropped from 48,553 last Thursday to 39,906 this Thursday—the first "same day" drop since 5/18 (and not a small one).#TeamOptimism https://t.co/Jils3yWsdw

— Craig (@TheLawyerCraig) July 22, 2021

WPNfamily said:

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Interesting news here from my team. I have roughly 75 employees and 4/75 have not been vax'd. 2 of those 4 tested positive this week. This is all the evidence I need that vax works. The two that did have fever and cough. I am a card carrying Tumper and 100% believe vax work. They don't 100% keep you from getting Covid but it sure as heck appear to keep symptoms from showing up.

I am so tired of people thinking you can't like Trump and also think vax works. Crazy how the world works these days.

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I haven't seen anyone say that the vaccines don't work. I think the issue most have is the fact that the government in place now, Sleepy Joe and Horizontal "Cackling Hyena" Harris stated numerous times that they WOULD NOT take the vaccine that the Trump Administration was working on. And now they are damn near mandating that you have one to live a normal life?

I know you can't have a SOCIALIST PARTY without hypocrisy and I find it amusing that the same thing rings true with many on here.

Guess what? Operation Warp Speed under the Trump Administration is the reason we have the vaccines. Maybe if the SOCIALIST PARTY'S leaders had shown a unified front instead of making it all political, which it was from the beginning regardless of what the OP said, we wouldn't have the hesitancy.

Now do me a favor and tell me which demographic is the most resistant to taking the vaccine? It's not the Trump Supporters btw.... I'll hang up and listen.

WPNfamily said:

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Interesting news here from my team. I have roughly 75 employees and 4/75 have not been vax'd. 2 of those 4 tested positive this week. This is all the evidence I need that vax works. The two that did have fever and cough. I am a card carrying Tumper and 100% believe vax work. They don't 100% keep you from getting Covid but it sure as heck appear to keep symptoms from showing up.

I am so tired of people thinking you can't like Trump and also think vax works. Crazy how the world works these days.

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Sounds like their symptoms aren't really any worse than the vaccine side effects, and now they have the antibodies too. It all worked out.

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WPNfamily said:

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Interesting news here from my team. I have roughly 75 employees and 4/75 have not been vax'd. 2 of those 4 tested positive this week. This is all the evidence I need that vax works. The two that did have fever and cough. I am a card carrying Tumper and 100% believe vax work. They don't 100% keep you from getting Covid but it sure as heck appear to keep symptoms from showing up.

I am so tired of people thinking you can't like Trump and also think vax works. Crazy how the world works these days.

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I haven't seen anyone say that the vaccines don't work. I think the issue most have is the fact that the government in place now, Sleepy Joe and Horizontal "Cackling Hyena" Harris stated numerous times that they WOULD NOT take the vaccine that the Trump Administration was working on. And now they are damn near mandating that you have one to live a normal life?

I know you can't have a SOCIALIST PARTY without hypocrisy and I find it amusing that the same thing rings true with many on here.

Guess what? Operation Warp Speed under the Trump Administration is the reason we have the vaccines. Maybe if the SOCIALIST PARTY'S leaders had shown a unified front instead of making it all political, which it was from the beginning regardless of what the OP said, we wouldn't have the hesitancy.

Now do me a favor and tell me which demographic is the most resistant to taking the vaccine? It's not the Trump Supporters btw.... I'll hang up and listen.

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It continues to be such a weirdly contradictory stance to tout Warp Speed as maybe Trump's finest work (and I agree it was) but then blame Dems for somehow doing something that makes Republicans not want to take the vaccines that Trump's Warp Speed generated.

Welcome back, by the way.

Glad to be able to be back and call you out for your BS statements such as the one you just made. Republicans are NOT the leading demographic that's not getting the vaccine.

Do your homework.

Yes, there are members of the Republican Party that do not want to take the vaccine not because of the SOCIALIST/MARXIST PARTY'S negative portrayal of the vaccine under the Trump Administration. They are hesitant to take it because it is their God given right to refuse to take it if that's their choice.

Something you and your lefty buddies fail to realize. Conservatives can think for themselves, make educated decisions for themselves, walk and chew chewing gum at the same time without relying on the government to do those things for us.

It takes a little effort and sometimes even hard work. You and the SOCIALIST/MARXIST PARTY should try those things out once and while. It really doesn't hurt.

Why don't you tell me what the #1 demographic in the country is that is unvaccinated. I'll hang up and listen.

Oh... go ahead and flag this post. I'm sure some of your comrades are waiting with itchy trigger fingers to beat you to it.

PackPA2015 said:

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Here are the demographics, so y'all can argue about it.

Unvaccinated Demographics

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Chum in the water!

Thanks PackPA.

Rand Paul calls out Fraudci for lying to Congress (a felony), denying that the NIH had funded "gain of function" research in the Wuhan lab, and specifically for research that mutated coronaviruses that occurred in bats so they could infect humans.

The manlet can be seen trembling (hands shaking) as he lashes out in his annoying Mafioso accent:

https://instagr.am/p/CRoV7YvIvX5

BBW12OG said:

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Glad to be able to be back and call you out for your BS statements such as the one you just made. Republicans are NOT the leading demographic that's not getting the vaccine.

Do your homework.

Yes, there are members of the Republican Party that do not want to take the vaccine not because of the SOCIALIST/MARXIST PARTY'S negative portrayal of the vaccine under the Trump Administration. They are hesitant to take it because it is their God given right to refuse to take it if that's their choice.

Something you and your lefty buddies fail to realize. Conservatives can think for themselves, make educated decisions for themselves, walk and chew chewing gum at the same time without relying on the government to do those things for us.

It takes a little effort and sometimes even hard work. You and the SOCIALIST/MARXIST PARTY should try those things out once and while. It really doesn't hurt.

Why don't you tell me what the #1 demographic in the country is that is unvaccinated. I'll hang up and listen.

Oh... go ahead and flag this post. I'm sure some of your comrades are waiting with itchy trigger fingers to beat you to it.

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What homework?

The single most predictive comparative demographic category is party affiliation. Not race. Not age. Not income level.

You know who's under-vaccinated? Whites. They're 73% of the population and only 64% of the vaccinated.

Are whites the "leading" demographic you're referring to? LOL

It's morally wrong to force anyone to inject something into their body against their will. That is a violation of the most fundamental of human rights...that you get to decide what goes into your own body. I get the "muh private company" argument, and that you can find another job with a company that doesn't mandate vaccines as a condition of employment. But those companies that mandate these injections are wrong for doing so. There must be medical and religious exemptions at the very least. Those are provided even for children going to school, with vaccines that have been required for many decades.

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Daviewolf83 said:

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I saw it announced today that ConeHealth, Novant, Wake Forest Baptist, Duke, and UNC hospitals are all now requiring all employees to be vaccinated. I am surprised it took this long to get to this point, but not surprised they are now requiring vaccination.

It was also announced today that only three players remain unvaccinated on Wake Forest's football team. As most know, this is my son's team. I have known the number for a while, but Coach Clawson announced it today during ACC operation football interviews. The three players who are unvaccinated must continue to wear a mask for all team events (conditioning/weightlifting, practices, and meetings), in addition to being regularly Covid tested and subject to quarantine if they come in contact with a Covid positive person. Given the requirements of Duke, VT, Virginia, Syracuse, and Boston College for their entire student body to be vaccinated, I would assume their numbers are similar to Wake's.

Coach Doeren said State's football program has not met the 85% threshold, but he is optimistic they will get to this point soon.

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Their email to us said that 50-65% of current cases that are sequenced in NC are Delta, and they expect 95% but end of August, and 97% of hospitalizations are unvaxxed and 99.2% of deaths are unvaxxed, including 4 health care workers in NC.

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Crazy how effective these vaccines are at keeping people out of the hospital and from dying from COVID.

Do you have any sense for what proportion of American adults are not fits for the vaccine?

That's probably almost impossible to say; I guess a better question is, what medical circumstances create distinctly elevated risks for taking the vaccine?

Obviously people allergic to the ingredients, but are there other medical classes (autoimmune patients, etc.) for whom taking the vaccine is unusually risky?

GuerrillaPack said:

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It's morally wrong to force anyone to inject something into their body against their will. That is a violation of the most fundamental of human rights...that you get to decide what goes into your own body. I get the "muh private company" argument, and that you can find another job with a company that doesn't mandate vaccines as a condition of employment. But those companies that mandate these injections are wrong for doing so. There must be medical and religious exemptions at the very least. Those are provided even for children going to school, with vaccines that have been required for many decades.

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I'm sure there are medical and religious exemptions, I just don't think many people can supportably claim them.

Mormad said:

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WPNfamily said:

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Interesting news here from my team. I have roughly 75 employees and 4/75 have not been vax'd. 2 of those 4 tested positive this week. This is all the evidence I need that vax works. The two that did have fever and cough. I am a card carrying Tumper and 100% believe vax work. They don't 100% keep you from getting Covid but it sure as heck appear to keep symptoms from showing up.

I am so tired of people thinking you can't like Trump and also think vax works. Crazy how the world works these days.

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Sounds like their symptoms aren't really any worse than the vaccine side effects, and now they have the antibodies too. It all worked out.

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Except now they're contagious, quarantined from family and friends for days, out of work, likely symptomatic for longer than the 12 whole hrs most suffer from the vax, and arguably at higher risk of long term effects than risk associated with vaccination. Other than that, it's all equal! Sweet!

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For a fever and a cough. When 95% of the company is vaccinated. Yay. Sweet!!

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GuerrillaPack said:

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It's morally wrong to force anyone to inject something into their body against their will. That is a violation of the most fundamental of human rights...that you get to decide what goes into your own body. I get the "muh private company" argument, and that you can find another job with a company that doesn't mandate vaccines as a condition of employment. But those companies that mandate these injections are wrong for doing so. There must be medical and religious exemptions at the very least. Those are provided even for children going to school, with vaccines that have been required for many decades.

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I'm sure there are medical and religious exemptions, I just don't think many people can supportably claim them.

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How can you deny someone's sincerely held religious belief? The employer or Gubbamint are mind readers, and disqualify the person by claiming that they "don't actually have that religious belief"?

And all these vaccines have toxic ingredients in them. That alone is justification for anyone to take a "medical" exemption.

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BBW12OG said:

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Glad to be able to be back and call you out for your BS statements such as the one you just made. Republicans are NOT the leading demographic that's not getting the vaccine.

Do your homework.

Yes, there are members of the Republican Party that do not want to take the vaccine not because of the SOCIALIST/MARXIST PARTY'S negative portrayal of the vaccine under the Trump Administration. They are hesitant to take it because it is their God given right to refuse to take it if that's their choice.

Something you and your lefty buddies fail to realize. Conservatives can think for themselves, make educated decisions for themselves, walk and chew chewing gum at the same time without relying on the government to do those things for us.

It takes a little effort and sometimes even hard work. You and the SOCIALIST/MARXIST PARTY should try those things out once and while. It really doesn't hurt.

Why don't you tell me what the #1 demographic in the country is that is unvaccinated. I'll hang up and listen.

Oh... go ahead and flag this post. I'm sure some of your comrades are waiting with itchy trigger fingers to beat you to it.

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What homework?

The single most predictive comparative demographic category is party affiliation. Not race. Not age. Not income level.

You know who's under-vaccinated? Whites. They're 73% of the population and only 64% of the vaccinated.

Are whites the "leading" demographic you're referring to? LOL

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The single most important demographic to those that politicize the virus. Typical hypocrisy.

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The floor is yours. Happy to discuss any of the subcategories; there's some room for improvement in all of them.

Given that we have a need to continue selling Americans on vaccination and overcoming objection, do you think it makes sense to start at the top of the list and work down, or start from the bottom and work up?

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packgrad said:

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Civilized said:

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BBW12OG said:

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Glad to be able to be back and call you out for your BS statements such as the one you just made. Republicans are NOT the leading demographic that's not getting the vaccine.

Do your homework.

Yes, there are members of the Republican Party that do not want to take the vaccine not because of the SOCIALIST/MARXIST PARTY'S negative portrayal of the vaccine under the Trump Administration. They are hesitant to take it because it is their God given right to refuse to take it if that's their choice.

Something you and your lefty buddies fail to realize. Conservatives can think for themselves, make educated decisions for themselves, walk and chew chewing gum at the same time without relying on the government to do those things for us.

It takes a little effort and sometimes even hard work. You and the SOCIALIST/MARXIST PARTY should try those things out once and while. It really doesn't hurt.

Why don't you tell me what the #1 demographic in the country is that is unvaccinated. I'll hang up and listen.

Oh... go ahead and flag this post. I'm sure some of your comrades are waiting with itchy trigger fingers to beat you to it.

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What homework?

The single most predictive comparative demographic category is party affiliation. Not race. Not age. Not income level.

You know who's under-vaccinated? Whites. They're 73% of the population and only 64% of the vaccinated.

Are whites the "leading" demographic you're referring to? LOL

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The single most important demographic to those that politicize the virus. Typical hypocrisy.

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The floor is yours. Happy to discuss any of the subcategories; there's some room for improvement in all of them.

Given that we have a need to continue selling Americans on vaccination and overcoming objection, do you think it makes sense to start at the top of the list and work down, or start from the bottom and work up?

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I think we're fine. People that want to be vaccinated have been. What more would you like? The floor is yours.

Mormad said:

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Daviewolf83 said:

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I saw it announced today that ConeHealth, Novant, Wake Forest Baptist, Duke, and UNC hospitals are all now requiring all employees to be vaccinated. I am surprised it took this long to get to this point, but not surprised they are now requiring vaccination.

It was also announced today that only three players remain unvaccinated on Wake Forest's football team. As most know, this is my son's team. I have known the number for a while, but Coach Clawson announced it today during ACC operation football interviews. The three players who are unvaccinated must continue to wear a mask for all team events (conditioning/weightlifting, practices, and meetings), in addition to being regularly Covid tested and subject to quarantine if they come in contact with a Covid positive person. Given the requirements of Duke, VT, Virginia, Syracuse, and Boston College for their entire student body to be vaccinated, I would assume their numbers are similar to Wake's.

Coach Doeren said State's football program has not met the 85% threshold, but he is optimistic they will get to this point soon.

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Their email to us said that 50-65% of current cases that are sequenced in NC are Delta, and they expect 95% but end of August, and 97% of hospitalizations are unvaxxed and 99.2% of deaths are unvaxxed, including 4 health care workers in NC.

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Of the current/recent hospitalizations and deaths, who are they? Are they old or obese or carrying comorbidities? Are any young healthy individuals being hospitalized or have any died? In other words, is it the same cohort of people from 2020 (pre vax) that are still being hospitalized and dying? If yes, then these are the folks who could really use a vaccination. All energies, focus, and policies should be geared for these people and not the rest of society.

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Civilized said:

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The floor is yours. Happy to discuss any of the subcategories; there's some room for improvement in all of them.

Given that we have a need to continue selling Americans on vaccination and overcoming objection, do you think it makes sense to start at the top of the list and work down, or start from the bottom and work up?

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I think we're fine. People that want to be vaccinated have been. What more would you like? The floor is yours.

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Some Americans can't get vaccinated yet or at all. The decision to vaccinate doesn't only affect the person getting vaccinated, or not.

I want a lot of things. You tell me which are unreasonable.

Herd immunity.

Max reduction of virus prevalence to decrease severity of future COVID seasons.

Lower virus mutation prevalence.

To reduce risk and allow a resumption of normal activity for the immunocompromised and others that can't take vaccines.

A resumption of normal business.

To never have to talk about masks again.

packgrad said:

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What are the political demographics of people that got the virus and have antibodies already? What are the political demographics of people that got the virus and then got the vaccine? What are the political demographics of people that got the virus, got the vaccine, and still wear a mask? What are the political demographics of the people that got the virus, got the vaccine, still wear a mask, and want mask mandates? What are the political demographics of people that got the virus, got the vaccine, still wear a mask, want mask mandates, and want vaccine passports? What are the political demographics of people that got the virus, got the vaccine, still wear a mask, want mask mandates, want vaccine passports, and want kids to wear masks in schools? What are the political demographics of people that got the virus, got the vaccine, still wear a mask, want mask mandates, want vaccine passports, want kids to wear masks in schools, and want to vaccinate children?

Who is politicizing the virus?

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LOL. You're treating vaccine hesitancy like Fight Club. The first rule of vaccine hesitancy...is you don't talk about vaccine hesitancy.

Why are you so offended about discussing a glaring data point with regard to vaccination rates?

Are you fine talking about vaccination rates of Ages 65 and older, College graduates, Urban residents, Individuals w/serious health condition, Women, Hispanic adults, Ages 50-64, White adults, Suburban residents, No serious health conditions, Independents, Black adults, Men, Insured under age 65, Adults without a college degree, Ages 30-49, White Evangelical Christians, Ages 18-29, Rural residents, and Uninsured under age 65, just not Republicans?

Or do you not want to talk about any of them?

Analyzing the significantly overlapping Evangelicals and Rural residents and Republicans having the lowest relative vaccination rates on that chart is instructive if you have any interest in increasing vaccination rates.

You can't increase sales if you don't understand who's objecting to buying, and why.

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You don't have to talk about masks now. But the cult you're in keeps pushing it. You can resume normal business now but the cult you're in keeps resisting it. You can resume normal activity for immunocompromised and others now but the cult you're in keeps resisting it. They will have to wear masks no matter what if they decide they are concerned about Covid. Viruses mutate even though the virus cheerleader cult want to tell you they won't if you wear masks and get vaccinated.

None of your nonsense is reasonable for continuing limitations on society.

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Who said anything about "continuing limitations on society?"

I thought we were discussing increasing vaccination rates.

As a commercial office landlord I've been dealing with 15 months of dramatically diminished office demand, with projections for corporate office usage to increase only to around 50% market occupancy by Q4 this year. Drivers of that side of our business have been and will continue to be significantly harmed by the continued prevalence of the virus and corporate responses to it.

So no, some industries are absolutely not back to "business as usual" and won't be until COVID gets beat back some more.

The immunocompromised wearing masks doesn't fix their challenge. That's the best they can do given the hand they're dealt but it gets a lot better for them after we reach herd immunity. Their quality of life increases significantly when they can resume more normal activities, and with less worry about catching a currently still-prevalent virus.

Viruses obviously mutate; we're all better off if COVID mutates less, which it only does with decreased virus prevalence.

Do we need to reach herd immunity or not?

No. We don't. Covid is endemic. Herd immunity isn't happening.