.statefan91 said:
Hopefully the lottery for vaccine will motivate some of those that are still hesitant
GuerrillaPack said:.statefan91 said:
Hopefully the lottery for vaccine will motivate some of those that are still hesitant
Only a small number of gullible people. Most of those willing to be injected with that poison have already taken it. And most who are unwilling can't be bribed into taking it.
Both Pfizer, Moderna, and J&J have been working on boosters. Pfizer and Moderna's versions should be ready for the fall. From reading the opinions of researchers and I&D docs, including Monica Gandhi, it does not appear that the boosters will be needed anytime soon. Some have suggested a schedule more like a tetanus booster with individuals revaccinating every 7-10 years or just performing vaccinations if we have another surge years down the road.BBW12OG said:
Thank you PA and Davie. Your input and knowledge has been impeccable and non-political. Thank you for that.
As far as the vaccines go...where does it end? Do we need to get a vaccine for every variant? According to God Fauci he is already spouting off that boosters will be needed soon to prevent another outbreak. I'm guessing around June of next year we will be facing a "crisis" if we don't lock down until after the November elections so mail in ballots will be necessary.
The lefties.. and you know who you are... can come up with 91 reasons to make sure you destroy this country. Good luck with that.
Extremely more so than it ever needed to be.BBW12OG said:
Thanks again PA....
I don't want to drag you into the mud... but damn... how political has this become?
Funny, I remember a time when folks thought similar of seat belts. Until vaccination is complete (to the full level of saturation of those who want it) and we have several months trend of the positive case / hospitalization numbers, I sure hate to consider folks that choose an extra layer of protection in the form of a mask, sheep. Live and let live, that's the mantra of folks that choose to never wear one, right? But posts like these sure don't feel that way. For the record, I'll be maskless in a few weeks after my wife is fully vaccinated, and would be right now if she was not uncomfortable.BBW12OG said:GuerrillaPack said:.statefan91 said:
Hopefully the lottery for vaccine will motivate some of those that are still hesitant
Only a small number of gullible people. Most of those willing to be injected with that poison have already taken it. And most who are unwilling can't be bribed into taking it.
New CDC MMWR: Emergency department visits for suspected #suicide attempts among US adolescent girls ages 12-17 rose 51% b/t Feb 21–Mar 20, 2021 during the #COVID19 pandemic, compared w/ the same time in 2019. More: https://t.co/4s8gkGFEvz pic.twitter.com/WijywEIfVw
— MMWR (@CDCMMWR) June 11, 2021
Wayland said:
If only things like this weren't COMPLETELY PREDICTABLE by anyone who wanted to think critically and imagine if politicians and public health actually did some real cost benefit analysis on actions. Instead of relying on myopic and ineffective measures.
I still seethe at all the damage politicians and 'public health' have done to kids during the pandemic. Schools should have never been closed (as of fall 2020). Kids should have never been isolated. But it was neat to make them pawns for political agendas and dial up the fear factor.
Myopic policy did this.
Public Health did this.
Teachers Unions did this.
Politicians did this.New CDC MMWR: Emergency department visits for suspected #suicide attempts among US adolescent girls ages 12-17 rose 51% b/t Feb 21–Mar 20, 2021 during the #COVID19 pandemic, compared w/ the same time in 2019. More: https://t.co/4s8gkGFEvz pic.twitter.com/WijywEIfVw
— MMWR (@CDCMMWR) June 11, 2021
Note, I didn't blame the pandemic.Mormad said:Wayland said:
If only things like this weren't COMPLETELY PREDICTABLE by anyone who wanted to think critically and imagine if politicians and public health actually did some real cost benefit analysis on actions. Instead of relying on myopic and ineffective measures.
I still seethe at all the damage politicians and 'public health' have done to kids during the pandemic. Schools should have never been closed (as of fall 2020). Kids should have never been isolated. But it was neat to make them pawns for political agendas and dial up the fear factor.
Myopic policy did this.
Public Health did this.
Teachers Unions did this.
Politicians did this.New CDC MMWR: Emergency department visits for suspected #suicide attempts among US adolescent girls ages 12-17 rose 51% b/t Feb 21–Mar 20, 2021 during the #COVID19 pandemic, compared w/ the same time in 2019. More: https://t.co/4s8gkGFEvz pic.twitter.com/WijywEIfVw
— MMWR (@CDCMMWR) June 11, 2021
To be fair, i don't think the pandemic is fully to blame for this.
What are the additional candidates on your list?Mormad said:
To be fair, i don't think the pandemic is fully to blame for this.
Wayland said:
Cooper extended the State of Emergency until July 30th
PackFansXL said:What are the additional candidates on your list?Mormad said:
To be fair, i don't think the pandemic is fully to blame for this.
GuerrillaPack said:
Did Dictator Cooper rescind all of the remaining restrictions, such as remaining mask mandates? If not, why? Didn't they say that the "only reason" to continue the state of emergency was to receive federal funds?
I have some thoughts on the topic, but my worldview and yours may be different. What in your opinion are the likely issues, assuming we ignore Covid and the associated school closures?Mormad said:Are you serious, Clark?PackFansXL said:What are the additional candidates on your list?Mormad said:
To be fair, i don't think the pandemic is fully to blame for this.
PackFansXL said:I have some thoughts on the topic, but my worldview and yours may be different. What in your opinion are the likely issues, assuming we ignore Covid and the associated school closures?Mormad said:Are you serious, Clark?PackFansXL said:What are the additional candidates on your list?Mormad said:
To be fair, i don't think the pandemic is fully to blame for this.
I expect the "bullying, dating, breakups, grades, parents, etc." have been largely the same between the baseline of 2019 and 2021. What seems new is the flood of gender questioning, racial shaming, fear endorsing and posturing from the sitting POTUS and his dutiful minions in the media. Telling the majority of kids that they are the cause of all the problems experienced by one race in particular seems like a very heavy burden. Telling all kids that climate change is our nation's greatest threat when there are so many other more obvious threats to consider seems like a very heavy burden. Telling kids that they may not have been born into the proper body seems like such a fundamental challenge to everything they have ever known. Given all this drama, it has to be a tough time to be a teenager!Mormad said:I think the pandemic has been hard on kids and likely contributed SIGNIFICANTLY to exacerbating things already inherent to teenage struggles. But i think i see an ever increasing number of kids in our school that never went remote struggle with fad-like gender identity issues, bullying, dating, breakups, grades, parents, etc. that are fairly independent of the pandemic. Our world is changing, and we argue like children here, and i think those same things are effecting our kids in negative ways. That likely reveals my world view, and I'm sure I'm biased. For the record, i asked my wife and 14 yo daughter what they thought and wifey thinks the 51% increase is on the pandemic, my 14yo not as much.PackFansXL said:I have some thoughts on the topic, but my worldview and yours may be different. What in your opinion are the likely issues, assuming we ignore Covid and the associated school closures?Mormad said:Are you serious, Clark?PackFansXL said:What are the additional candidates on your list?Mormad said:
To be fair, i don't think the pandemic is fully to blame for this.
It's quite beyond me why anyone thinks masks significantly reduce viral transmission risk. An N95 respirator MIGHT offer protection against Anthrax but that disease is caused by bacteria. And most people don't wear N95- level face covers.BBW12OG said:
Anyone at this point wearing a mask who is vaccinated, AND ISN'T IMMUNE SYSTEM COMPROMISED, is a complete political tool.
EDITED TO ADD: If you are a member of a family that has an IMMUNE SYSTEM COMPROMISED member then it's acceptable and I am sure that you have been wearing masks way before Covid anyway so it isn't something new to see you and your family wearing them in public.
Just wanted to clarify that before the "holier than thou" group piles on again.
Also Cooper is placating for higher political office. He is goose stepping the SOCIALIST PARTY line. That is obvious with his decision making today. He's doing his best to out stupid Wicked Witch Whitmer.
PackFansXL said:I expect the "bullying, dating, breakups, grades, parents, etc." have been largely the same between the baseline of 2019 and 2021. What seems new is the flood of gender questioning, racial shaming, fear endorsing and posturing from the sitting POTUS and his dutiful minions in the media. Telling the majority of kids that they are the cause of all the problems experienced by one race in particular seems like a very heavy burden. Telling all kids that climate change is our nation's greatest threat when there are so many other more obvious threats to consider seems like a very heavy burden. Telling kids that they may not have been born into the proper body seems like such a fundamental challenge to everything they have ever known. Given all this drama, it has to be a tough time to be a teenager!Mormad said:I think the pandemic has been hard on kids and likely contributed SIGNIFICANTLY to exacerbating things already inherent to teenage struggles. But i think i see an ever increasing number of kids in our school that never went remote struggle with fad-like gender identity issues, bullying, dating, breakups, grades, parents, etc. that are fairly independent of the pandemic. Our world is changing, and we argue like children here, and i think those same things are effecting our kids in negative ways. That likely reveals my world view, and I'm sure I'm biased. For the record, i asked my wife and 14 yo daughter what they thought and wifey thinks the 51% increase is on the pandemic, my 14yo not as much.PackFansXL said:I have some thoughts on the topic, but my worldview and yours may be different. What in your opinion are the likely issues, assuming we ignore Covid and the associated school closures?Mormad said:Are you serious, Clark?PackFansXL said:What are the additional candidates on your list?Mormad said:
To be fair, i don't think the pandemic is fully to blame for this.
Oldsouljer said:It's quite beyond me why anyone thinks masks significantly reduce viral transmission risk. An N95 respirator MIGHT offer protection against Anthrax but that disease is caused by bacteria. And most people don't wear N95- level face covers.BBW12OG said:
Anyone at this point wearing a mask who is vaccinated, AND ISN'T IMMUNE SYSTEM COMPROMISED, is a complete political tool.
EDITED TO ADD: If you are a member of a family that has an IMMUNE SYSTEM COMPROMISED member then it's acceptable and I am sure that you have been wearing masks way before Covid anyway so it isn't something new to see you and your family wearing them in public.
Just wanted to clarify that before the "holier than thou" group piles on again.
Also Cooper is placating for higher political office. He is goose stepping the SOCIALIST PARTY line. That is obvious with his decision making today. He's doing his best to out stupid Wicked Witch Whitmer.
Mormad said:PackFansXL said:I expect the "bullying, dating, breakups, grades, parents, etc." have been largely the same between the baseline of 2019 and 2021. What seems new is the flood of gender questioning, racial shaming, fear endorsing and posturing from the sitting POTUS and his dutiful minions in the media. Telling the majority of kids that they are the cause of all the problems experienced by one race in particular seems like a very heavy burden. Telling all kids that climate change is our nation's greatest threat when there are so many other more obvious threats to consider seems like a very heavy burden. Telling kids that they may not have been born into the proper body seems like such a fundamental challenge to everything they have ever known. Given all this drama, it has to be a tough time to be a teenager!Mormad said:I think the pandemic has been hard on kids and likely contributed SIGNIFICANTLY to exacerbating things already inherent to teenage struggles. But i think i see an ever increasing number of kids in our school that never went remote struggle with fad-like gender identity issues, bullying, dating, breakups, grades, parents, etc. that are fairly independent of the pandemic. Our world is changing, and we argue like children here, and i think those same things are effecting our kids in negative ways. That likely reveals my world view, and I'm sure I'm biased. For the record, i asked my wife and 14 yo daughter what they thought and wifey thinks the 51% increase is on the pandemic, my 14yo not as much.PackFansXL said:I have some thoughts on the topic, but my worldview and yours may be different. What in your opinion are the likely issues, assuming we ignore Covid and the associated school closures?Mormad said:Are you serious, Clark?PackFansXL said:What are the additional candidates on your list?Mormad said:
To be fair, i don't think the pandemic is fully to blame for this.
EXACTLY. And these things you mention (i purposefully left out the R word) and the CONSTANT bombardment on social media likely weigh heavier on kids than the pandemic, though I'm sure the pandemic has altered these issues. I also think the things you mention make the bullying, dating, parenting much worse because they change the relationships and interactions among people so profoundly.
At any rate, i couldn't bring myself to insinuate that a 51% rate increase comparing one February to another is solely pandemic related. We, not the virus, are slowly destroying our world.
Civilized said:Mormad said:PackFansXL said:I expect the "bullying, dating, breakups, grades, parents, etc." have been largely the same between the baseline of 2019 and 2021. What seems new is the flood of gender questioning, racial shaming, fear endorsing and posturing from the sitting POTUS and his dutiful minions in the media. Telling the majority of kids that they are the cause of all the problems experienced by one race in particular seems like a very heavy burden. Telling all kids that climate change is our nation's greatest threat when there are so many other more obvious threats to consider seems like a very heavy burden. Telling kids that they may not have been born into the proper body seems like such a fundamental challenge to everything they have ever known. Given all this drama, it has to be a tough time to be a teenager!Mormad said:I think the pandemic has been hard on kids and likely contributed SIGNIFICANTLY to exacerbating things already inherent to teenage struggles. But i think i see an ever increasing number of kids in our school that never went remote struggle with fad-like gender identity issues, bullying, dating, breakups, grades, parents, etc. that are fairly independent of the pandemic. Our world is changing, and we argue like children here, and i think those same things are effecting our kids in negative ways. That likely reveals my world view, and I'm sure I'm biased. For the record, i asked my wife and 14 yo daughter what they thought and wifey thinks the 51% increase is on the pandemic, my 14yo not as much.PackFansXL said:I have some thoughts on the topic, but my worldview and yours may be different. What in your opinion are the likely issues, assuming we ignore Covid and the associated school closures?Mormad said:Are you serious, Clark?PackFansXL said:What are the additional candidates on your list?Mormad said:
To be fair, i don't think the pandemic is fully to blame for this.
EXACTLY. And these things you mention (i purposefully left out the R word) and the CONSTANT bombardment on social media likely weigh heavier on kids than the pandemic, though I'm sure the pandemic has altered these issues. I also think the things you mention make the bullying, dating, parenting much worse because they change the relationships and interactions among people so profoundly.
At any rate, i couldn't bring myself to insinuate that a 51% rate increase comparing one February to another is solely pandemic related. We, not the virus, are slowly destroying our world.
The next few years will be revealing to see if the tragic uptick of teen suiciding is part of a distinctly increasing trend or whether it was more acutely episodic.
So many of the COVID effects to our health, mental or physical, won't be known for years.
Mormad said:Oldsouljer said:It's quite beyond me why anyone thinks masks significantly reduce viral transmission risk. An N95 respirator MIGHT offer protection against Anthrax but that disease is caused by bacteria. And most people don't wear N95- level face covers.BBW12OG said:
Anyone at this point wearing a mask who is vaccinated, AND ISN'T IMMUNE SYSTEM COMPROMISED, is a complete political tool.
EDITED TO ADD: If you are a member of a family that has an IMMUNE SYSTEM COMPROMISED member then it's acceptable and I am sure that you have been wearing masks way before Covid anyway so it isn't something new to see you and your family wearing them in public.
Just wanted to clarify that before the "holier than thou" group piles on again.
Also Cooper is placating for higher political office. He is goose stepping the SOCIALIST PARTY line. That is obvious with his decision making today. He's doing his best to out stupid Wicked Witch Whitmer.
Idk, man. You guys know i believe in masks, and i think y'all know by now it has nothing to do with politics. I'm conservative as hell. I'm not going to argue for face coverings in general again .. it's exhausting and futile. But I'm gonna stand up for the N95 in particular.
That's twice in the last few days I've read here that N95s might offer some marginal benefit. I'm thankful for that N95 every single day. Some docs, like ER docs, pulm/critical care, anesthesia, and covid ward docs wear them routinely. The rest of us only around suspected or known covid. We put covid positives to sleep for emergency surgery wearing only N95s in the room where covid is aerosolized and then circulated like a mother. Hell, most of us fairly routinely interviewed and examined patients in our little surgical masks only to find out they were positive sometime later. And most of us didn't get it. Some did for sure because masks have never been argued to impenetrable. But most didn't.
Sure it's anecdotal, but that's a veritable sht load of real world interactions prior to vaccination that, to me personally, are powerful indicators that masks work to reduce transmission, and N95s in particular offer profoundly more than "marginal" benefit. "Studies" be damned.
Now, i can't say how many of us would have gotten covid without those little masks over the first year of the pandemic because there's no parallel world where providers never wore masks around shedders, but I'm personally thankful for that irritating little mask (and now the poison) every day. It was often the only barrier between my nose and that virus, and i never got it.
Good to hear. In defense of my original statement, however, I did go out of my way to differentiate between N95s and what (probably) 99% of the population is wearing, which is telling because the government doesn't really seem to care what you use so long as they can't see your mouth and nose. A piece of tin foil or a do-rag, it's all the same. I also note that when challenged the other day in Florida by a Federal judge as to the efficacy of masks, the CDC hemmed and hawed and basically fell back on the "everybody knows" defense without actually citing hard, peer-reviewed evidence that the Judge was clearly asking for.PackPA2015 said:Mormad said:Oldsouljer said:It's quite beyond me why anyone thinks masks significantly reduce viral transmission risk. An N95 respirator MIGHT offer protection against Anthrax but that disease is caused by bacteria. And most people don't wear N95- level face covers.BBW12OG said:
Anyone at this point wearing a mask who is vaccinated, AND ISN'T IMMUNE SYSTEM COMPROMISED, is a complete political tool.
EDITED TO ADD: If you are a member of a family that has an IMMUNE SYSTEM COMPROMISED member then it's acceptable and I am sure that you have been wearing masks way before Covid anyway so it isn't something new to see you and your family wearing them in public.
Just wanted to clarify that before the "holier than thou" group piles on again.
Also Cooper is placating for higher political office. He is goose stepping the SOCIALIST PARTY line. That is obvious with his decision making today. He's doing his best to out stupid Wicked Witch Whitmer.
Idk, man. You guys know i believe in masks, and i think y'all know by now it has nothing to do with politics. I'm conservative as hell. I'm not going to argue for face coverings in general again .. it's exhausting and futile. But I'm gonna stand up for the N95 in particular.
That's twice in the last few days I've read here that N95s might offer some marginal benefit. I'm thankful for that N95 every single day. Some docs, like ER docs, pulm/critical care, anesthesia, and covid ward docs wear them routinely. The rest of us only around suspected or known covid. We put covid positives to sleep for emergency surgery wearing only N95s in the room where covid is aerosolized and then circulated like a mother. Hell, most of us fairly routinely interviewed and examined patients in our little surgical masks only to find out they were positive sometime later. And most of us didn't get it. Some did for sure because masks have never been argued to impenetrable. But most didn't.
Sure it's anecdotal, but that's a veritable sht load of real world interactions prior to vaccination that, to me personally, are powerful indicators that masks work to reduce transmission, and N95s in particular offer profoundly more than "marginal" benefit. "Studies" be damned.
Now, i can't say how many of us would have gotten covid without those little masks over the first year of the pandemic because there's no parallel world where providers never wore masks around shedders, but I'm personally thankful for that irritating little mask (and now the poison) every day. It was often the only barrier between my nose and that virus, and i never got it.
Yep, I hate them, but we had multiple outbreaks at our office before vaccines and they all occurred when employees were unmasked away from patients (break room and such). There was never a transmission between a COVID positive patient and an employee. Employee health made us track all of these things to make sure. I never got it and treated COVID positive patients face-to-face through it all.
The United States had administered 309,322,545 doses of COVID vaccines, according to the CDC.
— Kyle Griffin (@kylegriffin1) June 14, 2021
This about says it all....GuerrillaPack said:
The hypocrisy of the elite and puppet politicians is a blatant red flag that this is all a gigantic fraud. They know that the virus is no threat, and it's all vastly overblown to push an agenda. That's why, for example, all these governors have been caught violating their own orders.
https://instagr.am/p/CQBLHc-Nmui
I do not really want to get into a large scale debate today, but I will say this: politicians can be really terrible people and push their agenda and this (ending) pandemic can be really serious.cowboypack02 said:This about says it all....GuerrillaPack said:
The hypocrisy of the elite and puppet politicians is a blatant red flag that this is all a gigantic fraud. They know that the virus is no threat, and it's all vastly overblown to push an agenda. That's why, for example, all these governors have been caught violating their own orders.
https://instagr.am/p/CQBLHc-Nmui
