Mormad said:Civilized said:Do recall how those admissions/unit/intubated compares to the peak for you guys?Mormad said:
We now have 75 admitted, 16 in the unit, and 12 intubated across our 5 hospitals
About 2/3 of the population 65+ in guilford/ alamance/rockingham counties are vaxed now
Admitted down by 200, unit/tubed down at least 50 percent
In my non medical opinion, this is where I fall. I have not been vaccinated yet (had the opportunity, but waiting my turn), but I will be once it becomes widely available to my group (I qualify in group 5 in NC).I have no issues letting people at this point decide their own risk tolerance as it appears to be under better control at this point.Mormad said:King Leary said:
Media attacks will be relentless against Texas. This decision takes balls
Ballsy, but i like it!
(I'd personally go 100% open with masking, but that's just me)
PackPA2015 said:Mormad said:King Leary said:
Media attacks will be relentless against Texas. This decision takes balls
Ballsy, but i like it!
(I'd personally go 100% open with masking, but that's just me)
This is where I am as well. Open business, but keep masking until vaccination rates improve and cases/hospitalizations/deaths decrease to a tolerable level.
This is correct and why it is hard to just say "Florida is doing X, so it is better than any other state." I do agree that Florida has had a much better approach and I like the idea of focused masking/etc. instead of a one size, fits all for the entire state. However, it is not correct to say that Florida is doing the same (from a masking and protocols) across the entire state.PackPA2015 said:ncsualum05 said:
Hasn't Florida been open with no mask mandate? Forgive me I don't know the ins and outs of Florida but I know that they have claimed to be more open than any other state.
According to my brief google search (someone correct me if I am wrong), they have no state mandate, but do have many city and county mandates.
I am at the same point. Open everything up with no restrictions, but require mask wearing for a while longer (maybe sometime in the Summer). Also, encourage as much activity outdoors as possible and do not worry so much if people are gathering outdoors. Indoors is still a little concerning, given ventilation issues, but let people decide their risk tolerance.Civilized said:PackPA2015 said:Mormad said:King Leary said:
Media attacks will be relentless against Texas. This decision takes balls
Ballsy, but i like it!
(I'd personally go 100% open with masking, but that's just me)
This is where I am as well. Open business, but keep masking until vaccination rates improve and cases/hospitalizations/deaths decrease to a tolerable level.
Exactly where I'm at.
Open up everything fully but wear masks till we think we're in herd immunity territory or some other reasonable benchmark.
Daviewolf83 said:I am at the same point. Open everything up with no restrictions, but require mask wearing for a while longer (maybe sometime in the Summer). Also, encourage as much activity outdoors as possible and do not worry so much if people are gathering outdoors. Indoors is still a little concerning, given ventilation issues, but let people decide their risk tolerance.Civilized said:PackPA2015 said:Mormad said:King Leary said:
Media attacks will be relentless against Texas. This decision takes balls
Ballsy, but i like it!
(I'd personally go 100% open with masking, but that's just me)
This is where I am as well. Open business, but keep masking until vaccination rates improve and cases/hospitalizations/deaths decrease to a tolerable level.
Exactly where I'm at.
Open up everything fully but wear masks till we think we're in herd immunity territory or some other reasonable benchmark.
As far as schools go - get the kids back in the classroom, unless they have pre-existing health conditions (same with teachers).
PackPA2015 said:ncsualum05 said:
Hasn't Florida been open with no mask mandate? Forgive me I don't know the ins and outs of Florida but I know that they have claimed to be more open than any other state.
According to my brief google search (someone correct me if I am wrong), they have no state mandate, but do have many city and county mandates.
ncsualum05 said:PackPA2015 said:ncsualum05 said:
Hasn't Florida been open with no mask mandate? Forgive me I don't know the ins and outs of Florida but I know that they have claimed to be more open than any other state.
According to my brief google search (someone correct me if I am wrong), they have no state mandate, but do have many city and county mandates.
Then I imagine that places like Austin and Dallas will still have their ordinances. This is probably how it should've been all along.
Absolutely - vaccines were the answer to get out of the other side of this and Trump's Operation Warp Speed was crucial in the development and production of some of these vaccinesncsualum05 said:A huge thanks to the Trump administration for making this possible. We wouldn't be where we are today otherwise.statefan91 said:
Good question. I looked at the CDC guidelines, since you would expect NC to be closely following these guidelines. In those, they have four phases (1a, 1b, 1c, 2) and people with severe health conditions that put them at risk are in group 1c. It appears NC split the CDC's Phase 1b into Group 2 and Group 3, pushing the people with severe illness into Group 4. I am sure supply of vaccine played a part in some of these decisions, but I personally believe those with severe health conditions (I do not believe people who smoke should be included in this group) should have been in Group 2.WolfPacker54 said:
Can anyone explain to me why NC has such a low prioritization of people with pre-existing conditions that are at higher risk (auto-immune diseases, cancer, etc.)? This is considered group 4 in NC, which seems ridiculous to me. Should have been group 2 at minimum in my personal opinion.
Steve Williams said:
Really afraid that people who refuse to get the vaccine are going to end up in a scarlet letter type situation.
I got an email from my company this morning that while it is currently "strongly encouraged" to get vaccinated, when it opens up and the vaccine becomes more widely available, it will go into the "required" category.packgrad said:Steve Williams said:
Really afraid that people who refuse to get the vaccine are going to end up in a scarlet letter type situation.
Yep. I pretty much had to talk my wife into getting hers. Thank god she didn't have bad side effects from the first shot. Basically I told her, particularly under current leadership and social media society, I feel like it's going to be required for everything from travel to dining to sports/entertainment venues etc.
The mark of the devil, as her grandma used to say.
Unless you are coming into the country illegally it appears... then you are fine.packgrad said:Steve Williams said:
Really afraid that people who refuse to get the vaccine are going to end up in a scarlet letter type situation.
Yep. I pretty much had to talk my wife into getting hers. Thank god she didn't have bad side effects from the first shot. Basically I told her, particularly under current leadership and social media society, I feel like it's going to be required for everything from travel to dining to sports/entertainment venues etc.
The mark of the devil, as her grandma used to say.
Yeah, this really bothers me based upon the principle of it... why does someone 55+ (they have a 65+ age bracket that was in Phase 1 Group C) now all of a sudden have to compete with a 16+ yo (of any health) for a shot when the demographics (of death) are substantially skewed towards the higher age groups and it doesn't break from that trend down to age 0... I probably don't even need the shot - but this makes zero sense if they are continuing to follow the "SCIENCE"...Daviewolf83 said:Good question. I looked at the CDC guidelines, since you would expect NC to be closely following these guidelines. In those, they have four phases (1a, 1b, 1c, 2) and people with severe health conditions that put them at risk are in group 1c. It appears NC split the CDC's Phase 1b into Group 2 and Group 3, pushing the people with severe illness into Group 4. I am sure supply of vaccine played a part in some of these decisions, but I personally believe those with severe health conditions (I do not believe people who smoke should be included in this group) should have been in Group 2.WolfPacker54 said:
Can anyone explain to me why NC has such a low prioritization of people with pre-existing conditions that are at higher risk (auto-immune diseases, cancer, etc.)? This is considered group 4 in NC, which seems ridiculous to me. Should have been group 2 at minimum in my personal opinion.
CDC guidelines by phase:
Phase 1a:
Healthcare personnel
Long-term care residents
Phase 1b:
Frontline essential workers
People aged 75+
Phase 1c:
People aged 65+
People age 16+ with underlying medical conditions
Other essential workers
Phase 2:
All people aged 16+ who are not in any previously defined groups
NC's guidelines are:
Group 1:
Healthcare workers
Long-term Care staff and residents
Group 2:
People aged 65+
Group 3:
Frontline essential workers
School and childcare workers
Group 4:
Adults at higher risk for exposure
Adults with increased risk of severe illness
Group 5:
All people aged 16+ not in a previously defined group
A lot of companies are going to require it, for you to return to the office environment and working from home will not be an option for many when offices begin to reopen. Same will go for universities (both staff and students) in the Fall.packgrad said:Steve Williams said:
Really afraid that people who refuse to get the vaccine are going to end up in a scarlet letter type situation.
Yep. I pretty much had to talk my wife into getting hers. Thank god she didn't have bad side effects from the first shot. Basically I told her, particularly under current leadership and social media society, I feel like it's going to be required for everything from travel to dining to sports/entertainment venues etc.
The mark of the devil, as her grandma used to say.
Steve Williams said:
Really afraid that people who refuse to get the vaccine are going to end up in a scarlet letter type situation.
I had offers to go to Kansas and get it done (company is based in Kansas and did a deal with the local health department). Time off/travel/expenses covered, but there isnt a business need from my company's end or my clients end as I have been working from home for a while and my situation work wise is covered until July at the moment. Ill get it done once group five starts. If my situation changes for whatever reason, I did get them to send over documentation so I could make arrangements locally.packgrad said:
That's how I got mine when I did. They were requiring it.
AlleyPack said:
So I just got word that I'll be receiving the Moderna vaccine (late next week) as set up by my employer.
I'm guessing this is okay, and I shouldn't be trying to set up something on my own for one of the others? Pfizer, etc.
Thanks
All the vaccines available to us have high efficacy, so from this standpoint, they are all good to get. My father (86 yo) had Moderna vaccine a couple of weeks ago and only had a sore arm for a day. My wife got the Moderna vaccine this morning and so far, nothing to report.AlleyPack said:
So I just got word that I'll be receiving the Moderna vaccine (late next week) as set up by my employer.
I'm guessing this is okay, and I shouldn't be trying to set up something on my own for one of the others? Pfizer, etc.
Thanks
