Thanks for the kind words everyone. There's a strong sense of relief in getting it and feeling like you fought it off pretty well that I wasn't expecting.

We're in the Charlotte area FYI.

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6/1/2020 Morning DHHS update (as of 11:00am)

NC Cases*
29,263
NC Deaths**
898
Currently Hospitalized
650
Completed Tests
421,908

559 Deaths are now Congregate (+7)
72 Deaths are now Unknown Setting (+1)
+12 Deaths Overall since yesterday.

267 Deaths assumed General Population (+4)
631 Congregate and Unknown Setting. (+8)

162 Congregate Facilities now have an outbreak. (+2)

WRAL is at 923 (+2) and NandO is at 944 deaths

674 positive cases over 5619 new tests. 12.0% positive rate.

3 of the deaths reported by DHHS today are over 10 days old. Expect a spike in hospitalizations tomorrow, hospitals have been slack in reporting on the weekends.

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6/2/2020 Morning DHHS update (as of 12:00pm)

NC Cases*
29,889
NC Deaths**
921
Currently Hospitalized
716
Completed Tests
434,921

574 Deaths are now Congregate (+15)
76 Deaths are now Unknown Setting (+4)
+23 Deaths Overall since yesterday.

271 Deaths assumed General Population (+4)
650 Congregate and Unknown Setting. (+19)

163 Congregate Facilities now have an outbreak. (+1)

WRAL is at 933 (+2) and NandO is at 961 deaths

626 positive cases over 13,013 new tests. 4.8% positive rate.

DHHS is now releasing updates at noon instead of 11am. Apparently they need an extra hour to process increased testing data. Tough decisions on what data to release on what day to support narratives.

There is that jump back in hospitalizations I called yesterday now that most of them are reporting again.

5 of the deaths reported today occurred over a week ago. The remaining 17 all fall between 5/27-6/1.

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6/3/2020 Morning DHHS update (as of 12:00pm)

NC Cases*
30,777
NC Deaths**
939
Currently Hospitalized
684
Completed Tests
449,263

585 Deaths are now Congregate (+11)
80 Deaths are now Unknown Setting (+4)
+18 Deaths Overall since yesterday.

274 Deaths assumed General Population (+3)
665 Congregate and Unknown Setting. (+15)

163 Congregate Facilities now have an outbreak. (+0)

WRAL is at 952 (+2) and NandO is at 980 deaths

888 positive cases over 14342 new tests. 6.2% positive rate.

Every day for the last 8 days contains at least 1 death reported in today's total.

26 of the deaths reported by the media but not reported by DHHS are coming from three counties.
Carteret - DHHS 3, NandO 9, County - 3
Robeson - DHHS 14, NandO 26, County - 22
Alamance - DHHS 20, NandO 28, County - 23

Media reporting that unfortunately, NC has had its first death of a minor due to COVID-19 complications.

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6/4/2020 Morning DHHS update (as of 12:00pm)

NC Cases*
31,966
NC Deaths**
960
Currently Hospitalized
659
Completed Tests
468,302

598 Deaths are now Congregate (+13)
79 Deaths are now Unknown Setting (-1)
+21 Deaths Overall since yesterday.

283 Deaths assumed General Population (+9)
677 Congregate and Unknown Setting. (+12)

167 Congregate Facilities now have an outbreak. (+4)

WRAL is at 963 (+2) and NandO is at 997 deaths

1189 positive cases over 19039 new tests. 6.2% positive rate.

Big case day, massive number of tests. Hospitalizations down (85% reporting vs 88% yesterday). Most of the cases are from Monday, maybe they are getting a little quicker at reporting.

Based on my daily tracking of deaths by date starting 5/7. Three of the death reported today either were not added to the DHHS graph or occurred greater than a month ago. 1 is from 5/21 and the remainder are from within the last week.

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6/5/2020 Morning DHHS update (as of 12:00pm)

NC Cases*
33,255
NC Deaths**
966
Currently Hospitalized
717
Completed Tests
482,147

602 Deaths are now Congregate (+4)
78 Deaths are now Unknown Setting (-1)
+6 Deaths Overall since yesterday.

286 Deaths assumed General Population (+3)
680 Congregate and Unknown Setting. (+3)

171 Congregate Facilities now have an outbreak. (+4)

WRAL is at 1004 (+2) and NandO is at 1006 deaths

1289 positive cases over 13845 new tests. 9.3% positive rate.

More high case day. Maybe this will be the weekend dump early. Still wondering about the 40 gap in deaths. I wonder if there is something to probably vs confirmed cases. Whatever. Will get there eventually.

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6/6/2020 Morning DHHS update (as of 12:00pm)

34,625
NC Deaths**
992
Currently Hospitalized
708
Completed Tests
497,350

621 Deaths are now Congregate (+19)
79 Deaths are now Unknown Setting (+1)
+26 Deaths Overall since yesterday.

292 Deaths assumed General Population (+6)
700 Congregate and Unknown Setting. (+20)

176 Congregate Facilities now have an outbreak. (+5)

WRAL is at 1032 (+2) and NandO is at 1028 deaths

1370 positive cases over 15203 new tests. 9.0% positive rate.

Biggest day of positive 'reported' cases. Deaths continue to be driven by congregate facilities.

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6/7/2020 Morning DHHS update (as of 12:00pm)

NC Cases
35,546
NC Deaths
996
Currently Hospitalized
696 <- only 76% hospitals reporting
Completed Tests
511,226

623 Deaths are now Congregate (+2)
80 Deaths are now Unknown Setting (+1)
+4 Deaths Overall since yesterday.

293 Deaths assumed General Population (+1)
703 Congregate and Unknown Setting. (+3)

171 Congregate Facilities now have an outbreak. (-5)

WRAL is at 1038 (+2) and NandO is at 1028 deaths

921 positive cases over 13876 new tests.6.6% positive rate.

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6/8/2020 Morning DHHS update (as of 12:00pm)

NC Cases
36,484
NC Deaths
1006
Currently Hospitalized
739 <- new high. still only 77% reporting. Need to watch.
Completed Tests
520,113

634 Deaths are now Congregate (+11)
78 Deaths are now Unknown Setting (-2)
+10 Deaths Overall since yesterday.

294 Deaths assumed General Population (+1)
712 Congregate and Unknown Setting. (+9)

171 Congregate Facilities now have an outbreak. (+0)

WRAL is at 1053 (+2) and NandO is at 1041 deaths

938 positive cases over 8887 new tests. 10.6% positive rate.

5 of the deaths added today to the Death by Date chart at DHHS were from over 2 weeks ago. It did make the single highest fatality date to be 5/25 with 27 deaths.

7 of the additional death added to the daily total today appear to have come out of Chatham County. Looks like they had some paperwork reconciliation.

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6/9/2020 Morning DHHS update (as of 12:00pm)

NC Cases
37,160
NC Deaths
1029
Currently Hospitalized
774 <- new high. still only 84% reporting. Expected increase with higher reporting. Stable from ystday
Completed Tests
535,711

647 Deaths are now Congregate (+13)
79 Deaths are now Unknown Setting (+1)
+23 Deaths Overall since yesterday.

303 Deaths assumed General Population (+9)
726 Congregate and Unknown Setting. (+14)

177 Congregate Facilities now have an outbreak. (+6)

WRAL is at 1068 (+2) and NandO is at 1068 deaths

676 positive cases over 15,598 new tests. 4.3% positive rate.

Congregate spread continues.

Side note of the day: NY has stopped reporting deaths in their daily briefing because the number is not "significant anymore" since most of the deaths are things like "covid and heart disease". NY reported 74 COVID deaths yesterday. 3 times NC's worst day, but now their daily deaths don't matter. Has to be nice to kill so many that it doesn't matter anymore.

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6/10/2020 Morning DHHS update (as of 12:00pm)

NC Cases
38,171
NC Deaths
1053
Currently Hospitalized
780 <- new high. but higher reporting %. stable
Completed Tests
553,650

661 Deaths are now Congregate (+14)
83 Deaths are now Unknown Setting (+4)
+24 Deaths Overall since yesterday.

309 Deaths assumed General Population (+6)
744 Congregate and Unknown Setting. (+18)

182 Congregate Facilities now have an outbreak. (+5)

WRAL is at 1079 (+2) and NandO is at 1089 deaths

1011 positive cases over 17939 new tests. 5.6% positive rate.

As of yesterday ~36 Congregate Facilities were out of the outbreak stage. They are not included in the active outbreak count.

22 of today's reported death are from June. 1 reported death is from 5/8. 1 reported death is either prior to 5/7 or not reflected on the DHHS graph.

Testing % positive has been trending back down.

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6/11/2020 Morning DHHS update (as of 12:00pm)

NC Cases
39,481
NC Deaths
1064
Currently Hospitalized
812 <- new high.
Completed Tests
572,677

666 Deaths are now Congregate (+5)
86 Deaths are now Unknown Setting (+3)
+11 Deaths Overall since yesterday.

312 Deaths assumed General Population (+3)
752 Congregate and Unknown Setting. (+8)

181 Congregate Facilities now have an outbreak. (-1)

WRAL is at 1108 (+2) and NandO is at 1106 deaths

1310 positive cases over 19027 new tests. 6.9% positive rate.

New high in hospitalizations. WE NEED DAILY CENSUS DATA

Strangest Day on for Day of Deaths. 2 deaths were REMOVED from the total from 6/3 and 6/5. 16 other deaths were added from between 5/28-6/9 which means 1 other death which wasn't previously accounted for on the day of death chart has been added. Odd.

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6/12/2020 Morning DHHS update (as of 12:00pm)

NC Cases
41,249
NC Deaths
1092
Currently Hospitalized
760
Completed Tests
595,697

Congregate incomplete due to DHHS not refreshing data.
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689 Deaths are now Congregate (+23)
88 Deaths are now Unknown Setting (+2)
+28 Deaths Overall since yesterday.

315 Deaths assumed General Population (+3)
777 Congregate and Unknown Setting. (+25)

181 Congregate Facilities now have an outbreak. (0)
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WRAL is at 1147 (+2) and NandO is at 1121 deaths

1768 positive cases over 23020 new tests. 7.6% positive rate.

Wow. Cases even higher than I would have thought. Media will have a field day with this Friday data.

Will updated congregate data when site updates.

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6/13/2020 Morning DHHS update (as of 12:00pm)

NC Cases
42,676
NC Deaths
1104
Currently Hospitalized
823 <- new high
Completed Tests
611,690

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698 Deaths are now Congregate (+9)
87 Deaths are now Unknown Setting (-1)
+12 Deaths Overall since yesterday.

319 Deaths assumed General Population (+4)
785 Congregate and Unknown Setting. (+8)

181 Congregate Facilities now have an outbreak. (0)
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WRAL is at 1153 (+2) and NandO is at 1121 deaths

1427 positive cases over 15,993 new tests. 8.9% positive rate.

Of the deaths added today, 6 were from this past week. 1 was from 6/1, 1 from 5/29, 1 from 5/26, 2 from 5/25, and 1 prior to 5/7 or unaccounted for.

Death totals are MOSTLY complete after 7 days (based on what I have seen in my spreadsheet)

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6/14/2020 Morning DHHS update (as of 12:00pm)

NC Cases
44,119
NC Deaths
1109
Currently Hospitalized
798 <- 76% reporting down from 84%
Completed Tests
627,130

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700 Deaths are now Congregate (+2)
89 Deaths are now Unknown Setting (+2)
+5 Deaths Overall since yesterday.

320 Deaths assumed General Population (+1)
789 Congregate and Unknown Setting. (+4)

187 Congregate Facilities now have an outbreak. (+6)
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WRAL is at 1162 (+2) and NandO is at 1127 deaths

1443 positive cases over 15,440 new tests. 9.3% positive rate.

All 5 deaths reported today are from the last 5 days.

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6/15/2020 Morning DHHS update (as of 12:00pm)

NC Cases
45,102
NC Deaths
1118
Currently Hospitalized
797 <- 73%
Completed Tests
638,479

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706 Deaths are now Congregate (+6)
90 Deaths are now Unknown Setting (+1)
+9 Deaths Overall since yesterday.

322 Deaths assumed General Population (+2)
796 Congregate and Unknown Setting. (+4)

187 Congregate Facilities now have an outbreak. (0)
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WRAL is at 1164 (+2) and NandO is at 1132 deaths

983 positive cases over 11,349 new tests. 8.7% positive rate.

Dates of deaths today 5/29 -1, 6/5 - 1, 6/7 - 1, 6/11 - 2, 6/12 -1, 6/13 -2, 6/14 - 1.

Ethnicity
Hispanic - + 264 cases
Non-Hispanic - +158 cases
Unknown - +561 cases

Saw in a rival board that the Gov is going to announce a return to Phase 1. I hope this is not true. Any thoughts?

If he wants to lose big....I'm sorry but I don't think people will stand for it if true.

Other than my own speculation here that it would happen, I have not seen anything that would indicate that it was actually happening. Of course, there were also people that were certain he was going to bring in the National Guard and everyone was going to have to shelter in place so I generally take rumors, even my own rumblings, with a grain of salt. I believe that if he tried to do that now, however, people would largely ignore it and/or we would see many more lawsuits and legal challenges.

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Thanks for the kind words everyone. There's a strong sense of relief in getting it and feeling like you fought it off pretty well that I wasn't expecting.

We're in the Charlotte area FYI. For any of you around here, I would strongly suggest avoiding eating inside at restaurants on Montford. The service industry folks in the area all hang out after work damn near 7 nights a week, and it's very quickly making its way through that crowd. We don't partake in all that really (party days behind me for the most part), but I think a lot of folks aren't taking it seriously and are continuing to go to work and drink at bars when they have been in contact with multiple infected people. Not what you want to see, but it is what it is i guess. Patio seating or takeout is the way to go IMO.

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So should I get that take-out from Roasting Company like I was planning on tomorrow night

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He does that, he dooms school to being remote in the fall. Riots ensue.

I can him doing...told my wife to expect it, when the POS media started running wild with the hospitalization numbers....Roy is nothing more than a lap dog

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He does that, he dooms school to being remote in the fall. Riots ensue.

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Yeah, he's supposed to be announcing their approach for schools at the beginning of July. If they go all virtual for the fall he's cooked. Not taking into account all the kids that remote learning misses because they won't do the work / can't find the kids / no parental support, the impact it has on homes where both parents work full-time is an enormous stretch.

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I can him doing...told my wife to expect it, when the POS media started running wild with the hospitalization numbers....Roy is nothing more than a lap dog

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5/27 was the first time hospitalizations broke 700 (after what I still contend was after a change in admission practices or census counting) but I digress. Three weeks later we have a little more than 100 additional hospitalizations (not ideal) but we are reporting double the amount of cases a day (and adding about 21000 additional cases to the count). And deaths per day are either stable or declining.

If daily deaths start going consistently into 20+ a day, then we are in serious problem territory, but even if they just rebound to the same average we have been in for the last 3 months (roughly 16 a day), we are remaining stable.

I want to see all these numbers go down but I am not in panic mode... yet.

I got ya.

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Not saying he won't weaponize that number. Because he has been. There is a lot of hospital data that they are hiding.

You want to know how bad NC is with data. They didn't start tracking COVID ICU beds in their Medical Surge Survey until last week. It is amazing how inept they are with what data they should be tracking and reporting. Until last week, the surge report only tracked total ICU patients and ICU available. They weren't separating out COVID ICU vs non-ICU in their daily tracking report.

Wow...

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Not saying he won't weaponize that number. Because he has been. There is a lot of hospital data that they are hiding.

You want to know how bad NC is with data. They didn't start tracking COVID ICU beds in their Medical Surge Survey until last week. It is amazing how inept they are with what data they should be tracking and reporting. Until last week, the surge report only tracked total ICU patients and ICU available. They weren't separating out COVID ICU vs non-ICU in their daily tracking report.

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RUNNING AVERAGES
Confirmed Cases as a Percentage of Completed Tests rises for the 4th Straight Day.
Deaths as a Percentage of Completed Tests and Deaths as a Percentage of Confirmed Cases continues on it's long steady decline that it has been on for over a month.

Go figure.

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Not saying he won't weaponize that number. Because he has been. There is a lot of hospital data that they are hiding.

You want to know how bad NC is with data. They didn't start tracking COVID ICU beds in their Medical Surge Survey until last week. It is amazing how inept they are with what data they should be tracking and reporting. Until last week, the surge report only tracked total ICU patients and ICU available. They weren't separating out COVID ICU vs non-ICU in their daily tracking report.

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Apparently, Houston is seeing something similar to NC. The percentage of ICU beds used to treat Covid has remained relatively constant while the number of Covid patients has increased.

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Well folks, I've got another IPS case study for everyone.

My gf is a bartender, so I've somewhat expected both of us to get it at some point just given her close proximity inside to so many people. They have a lot of drunken regulars who couldn't care less about COVID-19 so it seemed kind of inevitable. We've both youngish (late 20s/early 30s) with healthy immune systems so I wasn't super concerned.

Sure enough, after 5-10 phase 2 shifts, she started having really bad headaches early last week before coming down with the cough/fever combo which was seemed pretty damn rough Wednesday and Thursday nights (she felt a lot better during the day Thursday before it came back around that night). We got her tested Thursday morning and kept our distance from one another, wore masks in the house, etc. but I figured that was all in vain.
She woke up Friday feeling MUCH better but suddenly couldn't smell/taste anything which is still happening as of yesterday.


I was starting to think I was going to be another asymptomatic carrier the first few days, but then a fever hit me like a ton of bricks Friday night (no cough though). It was pretty intense... went from feeling totally fine to terrible in the matter of 5 minutes. HOWEVER, my body was able to break the fever over night... woke up in a literal pool of sweat but I've felt fine since other than some mild headaches/body aches.

Her test came back positive yesterday morning, mine is still pending but surely it will come back positive.

Sorry for the long post, but it's one of those things that's weird to talk about, and I feel a lot more comfortable sharing with this group in a semi-anonymous format. Yall stay safe out there. Mask up!

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Damn dude, sorry to hear it. Glad to hear the really bad stretch may have been pretty short although I'm sure that was no consolation Friday night as you were thrashing around fighting off fever-induced visions of ol' Mack stomping on our midfield logo while flashing his fiendish grin and giving Dave the double bird.

Upside is you may be IPS-famous now though, are you the first likely confirmed case on IPS?!?

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I had it back in March. Buried in the thread by now. 12 straight days of fever between 100-102.5. I recovered and had very little respiratory issues - just some tightness and coughing spells the last 2-3 days of fever. It took several weeks to get my full energy back.

My wife was also positive, and had a few days of fever and chest tightness. She had far less initial symptoms, however, she has some of the strange lingering symptoms still, almost 3 months later: hair loss, loss of sense of smell and taste, inflamation and soreness in hands.

For those that seem to be tracking only deaths and hospitalizations, I hope you recognize that is not the only way to measure the seriousness and repercussions of this disease. Long term side effects are still not understood. Some that were hit with worse respiratory issues may never have full lung capacity again. I've refrained a bit in posting as it seems most have shifted to marginalizing the situation, and I understand the way things are being reported seem to be to inflate the perception. However, this disease is serious and we can't assume yet that "recovery" is just that, it's far more complicated.

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Good perspective. So when people say "he's young" he'll recover...which has been thrown out about some athletes...there should be an asterisk raised with that that may not exist with the standard flu, for example?

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Not saying he won't weaponize that number. Because he has been. There is a lot of hospital data that they are hiding.

You want to know how bad NC is with data. They didn't start tracking COVID ICU beds in their Medical Surge Survey until last week. It is amazing how inept they are with what data they should be tracking and reporting. Until last week, the surge report only tracked total ICU patients and ICU available. They weren't separating out COVID ICU vs non-ICU in their daily tracking report.

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Confirmed Cases as a Percentage of Completed Tests rises for the 4th Straight Day.
Deaths as a Percentage of Completed Tests and Deaths as a Percentage of Confirmed Cases continues on it's long steady decline that it has been on for over a month.

Go figure.

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Which is odd because you go to DHHS and it shows the opposite:


DHHS needs to break out the math on how they are getting this number.

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Well folks, I've got another IPS case study for everyone.

My gf is a bartender, so I've somewhat expected both of us to get it at some point just given her close proximity inside to so many people. They have a lot of drunken regulars who couldn't care less about COVID-19 so it seemed kind of inevitable. We've both youngish (late 20s/early 30s) with healthy immune systems so I wasn't super concerned.

Sure enough, after 5-10 phase 2 shifts, she started having really bad headaches early last week before coming down with the cough/fever combo which was seemed pretty damn rough Wednesday and Thursday nights (she felt a lot better during the day Thursday before it came back around that night). We got her tested Thursday morning and kept our distance from one another, wore masks in the house, etc. but I figured that was all in vain.
She woke up Friday feeling MUCH better but suddenly couldn't smell/taste anything which is still happening as of yesterday.


I was starting to think I was going to be another asymptomatic carrier the first few days, but then a fever hit me like a ton of bricks Friday night (no cough though). It was pretty intense... went from feeling totally fine to terrible in the matter of 5 minutes. HOWEVER, my body was able to break the fever over night... woke up in a literal pool of sweat but I've felt fine since other than some mild headaches/body aches.

Her test came back positive yesterday morning, mine is still pending but surely it will come back positive.

Sorry for the long post, but it's one of those things that's weird to talk about, and I feel a lot more comfortable sharing with this group in a semi-anonymous format. Yall stay safe out there. Mask up!

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Damn dude, sorry to hear it. Glad to hear the really bad stretch may have been pretty short although I'm sure that was no consolation Friday night as you were thrashing around fighting off fever-induced visions of ol' Mack stomping on our midfield logo while flashing his fiendish grin and giving Dave the double bird.

Upside is you may be IPS-famous now though, are you the first likely confirmed case on IPS?!?

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I had it back in March. Buried in the thread by now. 12 straight days of fever between 100-102.5. I recovered and had very little respiratory issues - just some tightness and coughing spells the last 2-3 days of fever. It took several weeks to get my full energy back.

My wife was also positive, and had a few days of fever and chest tightness. She had far less initial symptoms, however, she has some of the strange lingering symptoms still, almost 3 months later: hair loss, loss of sense of smell and taste, inflamation and soreness in hands.

For those that seem to be tracking only deaths and hospitalizations, I hope you recognize that is not the only way to measure the seriousness and repercussions of this disease. Long term side effects are still not understood. Some that were hit with worse respiratory issues may never have full lung capacity again. I've refrained a bit in posting as it seems most have shifted to marginalizing the situation, and I understand the way things are being reported seem to be to inflate the perception. However, this disease is serious and we can't assume yet that "recovery" is just that, it's far more complicated.

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Good perspective. So when people say "he's young" he'll recover...which has been thrown out about some athletes...there should be an asterisk raised with that that may not exist with the standard flu, for example?

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Exactly. I don't know what / who / why, but some folks seem to have these lingers side effects. My wife joined a "support group" just to hear other peoples' experience and what they were experiencing and figured out that the increase in hair shedding she was experiencing, wasn't isolated. The medical community doesn't seem to have many answers or discussion around some of this stuff. My 40yo wife feels like she has arthritis all of a sudden, and her hair is falling out. Blood panel is going to be taken later this week.

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Well folks, I've got another IPS case study for everyone.

My gf is a bartender, so I've somewhat expected both of us to get it at some point just given her close proximity inside to so many people. They have a lot of drunken regulars who couldn't care less about COVID-19 so it seemed kind of inevitable. We've both youngish (late 20s/early 30s) with healthy immune systems so I wasn't super concerned.

Sure enough, after 5-10 phase 2 shifts, she started having really bad headaches early last week before coming down with the cough/fever combo which was seemed pretty damn rough Wednesday and Thursday nights (she felt a lot better during the day Thursday before it came back around that night). We got her tested Thursday morning and kept our distance from one another, wore masks in the house, etc. but I figured that was all in vain.
She woke up Friday feeling MUCH better but suddenly couldn't smell/taste anything which is still happening as of yesterday.


I was starting to think I was going to be another asymptomatic carrier the first few days, but then a fever hit me like a ton of bricks Friday night (no cough though). It was pretty intense... went from feeling totally fine to terrible in the matter of 5 minutes. HOWEVER, my body was able to break the fever over night... woke up in a literal pool of sweat but I've felt fine since other than some mild headaches/body aches.

Her test came back positive yesterday morning, mine is still pending but surely it will come back positive.

Sorry for the long post, but it's one of those things that's weird to talk about, and I feel a lot more comfortable sharing with this group in a semi-anonymous format. Yall stay safe out there. Mask up!

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Damn dude, sorry to hear it. Glad to hear the really bad stretch may have been pretty short although I'm sure that was no consolation Friday night as you were thrashing around fighting off fever-induced visions of ol' Mack stomping on our midfield logo while flashing his fiendish grin and giving Dave the double bird.

Upside is you may be IPS-famous now though, are you the first likely confirmed case on IPS?!?

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I had it back in March. Buried in the thread by now. 12 straight days of fever between 100-102.5. I recovered and had very little respiratory issues - just some tightness and coughing spells the last 2-3 days of fever. It took several weeks to get my full energy back.

My wife was also positive, and had a few days of fever and chest tightness. She had far less initial symptoms, however, she has some of the strange lingering symptoms still, almost 3 months later: hair loss, loss of sense of smell and taste, inflamation and soreness in hands.

For those that seem to be tracking only deaths and hospitalizations, I hope you recognize that is not the only way to measure the seriousness and repercussions of this disease. Long term side effects are still not understood. Some that were hit with worse respiratory issues may never have full lung capacity again. I've refrained a bit in posting as it seems most have shifted to marginalizing the situation, and I understand the way things are being reported seem to be to inflate the perception. However, this disease is serious and we can't assume yet that "recovery" is just that, it's far more complicated.

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Good perspective. So when people say "he's young" he'll recover...which has been thrown out about some athletes...there should be an asterisk raised with that that may not exist with the standard flu, for example?

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Exactly. I don't know what / who / why, but some folks seem to have these lingers side effects. My wife joined a "support group" just to hear other peoples' experience and what they were experiencing and figured out that the increase in hair shedding she was experiencing, wasn't isolated. The medical community doesn't seem to have many answers or discussion around some of this stuff. My 40yo wife feels like she has arthritis all of a sudden, and her hair is falling out. Blood panel is going to be taken later this week.

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Very sorry to hear that. I think you are spot on above though....and likely most of us are guilty -- the binary recovery -- you either are healed or you die, and since most recover, this is good! But sounds like some patients are suspect to long-lasting conditions that are more than impactful.

And she had less initial symptoms than you?

I think you are right on another point, and this has been scary --- the doctors really don't know nearly enough answers about how to contract / spread it, let alone the long-term impacts of having it in your body. That's understandable on their part at this point....but they've changed advice on avoidance and contributors a number of times now....can only imagine what the roller coaster will be for after effects.

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Exactly. I don't know what / who / why, but some folks seem to have these lingers side effects. My wife joined a "support group" just to hear other peoples' experience and what they were experiencing and figured out that the increase in hair shedding she was experiencing, wasn't isolated. The medical community doesn't seem to have many answers or discussion around some of this stuff. My 40yo wife feels like she has arthritis all of a sudden, and her hair is falling out. Blood panel is going to be taken later this week.

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So sorry to hear this for your wife's sake and yours. Hope she continues recovering, even if more slowly than would be ideal.

Her trailing symptoms sound like potentially some of the poorly understood overblown immune system responses we're sometimes seeing with COVID, the worst of which is obviously a full-blown cytokine storm.

Inflamed hands, losing hair, etc. sounds autoimmune (just like rheumatoid arthritis is).

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Well folks, I've got another IPS case study for everyone.

My gf is a bartender, so I've somewhat expected both of us to get it at some point just given her close proximity inside to so many people. They have a lot of drunken regulars who couldn't care less about COVID-19 so it seemed kind of inevitable. We've both youngish (late 20s/early 30s) with healthy immune systems so I wasn't super concerned.

Sure enough, after 5-10 phase 2 shifts, she started having really bad headaches early last week before coming down with the cough/fever combo which was seemed pretty damn rough Wednesday and Thursday nights (she felt a lot better during the day Thursday before it came back around that night). We got her tested Thursday morning and kept our distance from one another, wore masks in the house, etc. but I figured that was all in vain.
She woke up Friday feeling MUCH better but suddenly couldn't smell/taste anything which is still happening as of yesterday.


I was starting to think I was going to be another asymptomatic carrier the first few days, but then a fever hit me like a ton of bricks Friday night (no cough though). It was pretty intense... went from feeling totally fine to terrible in the matter of 5 minutes. HOWEVER, my body was able to break the fever over night... woke up in a literal pool of sweat but I've felt fine since other than some mild headaches/body aches.

Her test came back positive yesterday morning, mine is still pending but surely it will come back positive.

Sorry for the long post, but it's one of those things that's weird to talk about, and I feel a lot more comfortable sharing with this group in a semi-anonymous format. Yall stay safe out there. Mask up!

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Damn dude, sorry to hear it. Glad to hear the really bad stretch may have been pretty short although I'm sure that was no consolation Friday night as you were thrashing around fighting off fever-induced visions of ol' Mack stomping on our midfield logo while flashing his fiendish grin and giving Dave the double bird.

Upside is you may be IPS-famous now though, are you the first likely confirmed case on IPS?!?

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I had it back in March. Buried in the thread by now. 12 straight days of fever between 100-102.5. I recovered and had very little respiratory issues - just some tightness and coughing spells the last 2-3 days of fever. It took several weeks to get my full energy back.

My wife was also positive, and had a few days of fever and chest tightness. She had far less initial symptoms, however, she has some of the strange lingering symptoms still, almost 3 months later: hair loss, loss of sense of smell and taste, inflamation and soreness in hands.

For those that seem to be tracking only deaths and hospitalizations, I hope you recognize that is not the only way to measure the seriousness and repercussions of this disease. Long term side effects are still not understood. Some that were hit with worse respiratory issues may never have full lung capacity again. I've refrained a bit in posting as it seems most have shifted to marginalizing the situation, and I understand the way things are being reported seem to be to inflate the perception. However, this disease is serious and we can't assume yet that "recovery" is just that, it's far more complicated.

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I recognize some people have really bad outcomes from the virus and if NCDHHS was reporting quantifiable data with regards to on-going symptoms that could be analyzed with statistics, I would report on it too. Unfortunately, they do not post this type of data and given the difficulty they have in posting the limited amount of data they do publish, I really do not expect them to provide details about people who have on-going symptoms weeks after recovering from the virus. NCDHHS only reports cases, deaths, testing, and hospitalizations, so this is what I post in my data analysis. The data I post is from NCDHHS and most of the time it takes time to dig out the actual data that the news media and NCDHHS are failing to report.

In no way am I trying to marginalize the situation. If I get something wrong in my statistical analysis, I will admit to it and correct it. I will never apologize for providing data analysis based on facts.

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I got ya.

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Not saying he won't weaponize that number. Because he has been. There is a lot of hospital data that they are hiding.

You want to know how bad NC is with data. They didn't start tracking COVID ICU beds in their Medical Surge Survey until last week. It is amazing how inept they are with what data they should be tracking and reporting. Until last week, the surge report only tracked total ICU patients and ICU available. They weren't separating out COVID ICU vs non-ICU in their daily tracking report.

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RUNNING AVERAGES
Confirmed Cases as a Percentage of Completed Tests rises for the 4th Straight Day.
Deaths as a Percentage of Completed Tests and Deaths as a Percentage of Confirmed Cases continues on it's long steady decline that it has been on for over a month.

Go figure.

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Which is odd because you go to DHHS and it shows the opposite:


DHHS needs to break out the math on how they are getting this number.

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I just plug the numbers that NCDHHS provides us daily as the ongoing numbers into a very simple, unsophisticated spreadsheet. If my running averages for that day go up or down as compared to the previous day then I make the simple assumption that the results from the numbers they posted that day caused it to do so.

I don't dive back into the numbers like you guys are doing where you can see that something reported that day isn't really from that day.

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I got ya.

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Not saying he won't weaponize that number. Because he has been. There is a lot of hospital data that they are hiding.

You want to know how bad NC is with data. They didn't start tracking COVID ICU beds in their Medical Surge Survey until last week. It is amazing how inept they are with what data they should be tracking and reporting. Until last week, the surge report only tracked total ICU patients and ICU available. They weren't separating out COVID ICU vs non-ICU in their daily tracking report.

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RUNNING AVERAGES
Confirmed Cases as a Percentage of Completed Tests rises for the 4th Straight Day.
Deaths as a Percentage of Completed Tests and Deaths as a Percentage of Confirmed Cases continues on it's long steady decline that it has been on for over a month.

Go figure.

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Which is odd because you go to DHHS and it shows the opposite:


DHHS needs to break out the math on how they are getting this number.

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I just plug the numbers that NCDHHS provides us daily as the ongoing numbers into a very simple, unsophisticated spreadsheet. If my running averages for that day go up or down as compared to the previous day then I make the simple assumption that the results from the numbers they posted that day caused it to do so.

I don't dive back into the numbers like you guys are doing where you can see that something reported that day isn't really from that day.

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No, I am faulting them not you. They aren't transparent to what the numerator and denominator are to that calculation. How many of the daily cases are being thrown into that calculation? What about the rest, are they ever included? Day after day the DHHS release number of tests and number of positives that in no way align with whatever 'Positive Tests' number that they come up with.

They need to EXPLICITLY state how they are coming to that calculation, with actual numbers. It goes to transparency. How can we trust their data when they don't explain how they get there?

This is what we need for NC. It is what is happening in AZ where hospitalizations are going up despite new admits going down. Would love to see the data for this kind of analysis, why the DHHS needs to get off their asses and stop saying that collecting information is 'too hard'. Pandemic, extra effort people.


@EthicalSkeptic

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Exactly. I don't know what / who / why, but some folks seem to have these lingers side effects. My wife joined a "support group" just to hear other peoples' experience and what they were experiencing and figured out that the increase in hair shedding she was experiencing, wasn't isolated. The medical community doesn't seem to have many answers or discussion around some of this stuff. My 40yo wife feels like she has arthritis all of a sudden, and her hair is falling out. Blood panel is going to be taken later this week.

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So sorry to hear this for your wife's sake and yours. Hope she continues recovering, even if more slowly than would be ideal.

Her trailing symptoms sound like potentially some of the poorly understood overblown immune system responses we're sometimes seeing with COVID, the worst of which is obviously a full-blown cytokine storm.

Inflamed hands, losing hair, etc. sounds autoimmune (just like rheumatoid arthritis is).

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Thanks Civilized. They are starting to point towards this being vascular, so that would explain a lot too (per several articles my wife has shown me). Again, who knows? It's just scary to NOT know.

To others who are posting the stats... I don't have a problem with the facts - especially pointing out where the media / govt. is getting it wrong. We need transparency across the board, but this became political like everything else in America, and most folks picked a side. Sucks.

I want to get back to normalcy so bad I can't stand it. My wife's also been furloughed for 6 weeks now with no end in sight, and I have no idea what my work status might be in a few months. I am not looking to publish a sob story for sympathy, just highlighting some of the hidden impacts many don't think about when looking at the numbers.

I really appreciate the posters showing empathy!!

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Exactly. I don't know what / who / why, but some folks seem to have these lingers side effects. My wife joined a "support group" just to hear other peoples' experience and what they were experiencing and figured out that the increase in hair shedding she was experiencing, wasn't isolated. The medical community doesn't seem to have many answers or discussion around some of this stuff. My 40yo wife feels like she has arthritis all of a sudden, and her hair is falling out. Blood panel is going to be taken later this week.

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So sorry to hear this for your wife's sake and yours. Hope she continues recovering, even if more slowly than would be ideal.

Her trailing symptoms sound like potentially some of the poorly understood overblown immune system responses we're sometimes seeing with COVID, the worst of which is obviously a full-blown cytokine storm.

Inflamed hands, losing hair, etc. sounds autoimmune (just like rheumatoid arthritis is).

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Thanks Civilized. They are starting to point towards this being vascular, so that would explain a lot too (per several articles my wife has shown me). Again, who knows? It's just scary to NOT know.

To others who are posting the stats... I don't have a problem with the facts - especially pointing out where the media / govt. is getting it wrong. We need transparency across the board, but this became political like everything else in America, and most folks picked a side. Sucks.

I want to get back to normalcy so bad I can't stand it. My wife's also been furloughed for 6 weeks now with no end in sight, and I have no idea what my work status might be in a few months. I am not looking to publish a sob story for sympathy, just highlighting some of the hidden impacts many don't think about when looking at the numbers.

I really appreciate the posters showing empathy!!

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Hopefully the blood work they are doing will help them find out what is going on, so they can get a treatment plan in place. The hair loss does sound like an autoimmune reaction. My daughter has an autoimmune illness and hair loss is one of the common side effects for her. This virus effects everyone in so many different ways, but doctors should eventually understand more about how it works and should develop better treatments. I hope your wife can recover soon and not have to wait on science to catch up. The loss of a job has to make it extremely tough on her and on you. You both get the virus and at the same time, experience job loss.

I don't think that's the media hype. To me corona is an extremely dangerous epidemic to mankind. it spreads extremely fast ...

Friv 9 | Friv 1000 | Friv5 Friv-10

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This is what we need for NC. It is what is happening in AZ where hospitalizations are going up despite new admits going down. Would love to see the data for this kind of analysis, why the DHHS needs to get off their asses and stop saying that collecting information is 'too hard'. Pandemic, extra effort people.


@EthicalSkeptic

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I still contend that those graphs are known for NC just like AZ. I mean, I could do that graph for Moses cone health system over a 2 month time span very easily if I had the time or energy. That tells me that graph exists.

I appreciate the personal stories here. It makes us all step back and remember the personal side of this for those affected. Have a really good friend who's positive test came back yesterday. Sure, she'll probably be ok. So many are, right? But what if she's not?

The data's great and all, but in general it's not reliable on a day to day basis because of differences in reporting and difficulty in dealing with health related issues in general. The data also morphs as new info on individual patients comes in...ie, maybe it's confirmed 2 days later that a dude who died tests positive or maybe autopsy confirms it's not a covid death a week later or whatever scenario you wanna come up with. That's why a negative one on a death chart one day shouldn't be surprising or even a big point of discussion. Reporting isn't delayed because people are lazy, it's delayed because in healthcare it's difficult, fast moving, ever changing, and inaccurate if rushed. I assure you healthcare systems have TEAMS of people dedicated to this. The extra effort is there, I assure you. They have 2 competing dogs in this hunt... Their bottom line and their responsibility of taking care of the sick (which is extremely hard to predict still). So I guarantee they know these numbers better than we do. Their existence and sustainability depends on it.

Is there marginalization everywhere? Absolutely. People are frustrated. I very closely align politically here, but this isn't political for me despite its profound effect on my bottom line and my freedom to congregate with friends. So I struggle with this whole thing. I'm angry at a virus I can't control. I'm frustrated with those who have shut down my world, and equally with those who marginalize this virus.

Sometimes the 30,000 foot view is easier. This isn't rocket surgery. It's a virus. One that kills and mames, and not just grandma in the nursing home. It's poorly understood so frustration over changes in predictions, forecasts, and behaviors is understood, but there has to be insight into why that occurs. And despite our best efforts at explaining it away, the numbers are going up, which was predictable when things opened up a little. Whether we like it or not, that's the truth.

(Sorry, Wayland, most of that was a generalized statement and not meant for you personally, bud)

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Well folks, I've got another IPS case study for everyone.

My gf is a bartender, so I've somewhat expected both of us to get it at some point just given her close proximity inside to so many people. They have a lot of drunken regulars who couldn't care less about COVID-19 so it seemed kind of inevitable. We've both youngish (late 20s/early 30s) with healthy immune systems so I wasn't super concerned.

Sure enough, after 5-10 phase 2 shifts, she started having really bad headaches early last week before coming down with the cough/fever combo which was seemed pretty damn rough Wednesday and Thursday nights (she felt a lot better during the day Thursday before it came back around that night). We got her tested Thursday morning and kept our distance from one another, wore masks in the house, etc. but I figured that was all in vain.
She woke up Friday feeling MUCH better but suddenly couldn't smell/taste anything which is still happening as of yesterday.


I was starting to think I was going to be another asymptomatic carrier the first few days, but then a fever hit me like a ton of bricks Friday night (no cough though). It was pretty intense... went from feeling totally fine to terrible in the matter of 5 minutes. HOWEVER, my body was able to break the fever over night... woke up in a literal pool of sweat but I've felt fine since other than some mild headaches/body aches.

Her test came back positive yesterday morning, mine is still pending but surely it will come back positive.

Sorry for the long post, but it's one of those things that's weird to talk about, and I feel a lot more comfortable sharing with this group in a semi-anonymous format. Yall stay safe out there. Mask up!

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Damn dude, sorry to hear it. Glad to hear the really bad stretch may have been pretty short although I'm sure that was no consolation Friday night as you were thrashing around fighting off fever-induced visions of ol' Mack stomping on our midfield logo while flashing his fiendish grin and giving Dave the double bird.

Upside is you may be IPS-famous now though, are you the first likely confirmed case on IPS?!?

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I had it back in March. Buried in the thread by now. 12 straight days of fever between 100-102.5. I recovered and had very little respiratory issues - just some tightness and coughing spells the last 2-3 days of fever. It took several weeks to get my full energy back.

My wife was also positive, and had a few days of fever and chest tightness. She had far less initial symptoms, however, she has some of the strange lingering symptoms still, almost 3 months later: hair loss, loss of sense of smell and taste, inflamation and soreness in hands.

For those that seem to be tracking only deaths and hospitalizations, I hope you recognize that is not the only way to measure the seriousness and repercussions of this disease. Long term side effects are still not understood. Some that were hit with worse respiratory issues may never have full lung capacity again. I've refrained a bit in posting as it seems most have shifted to marginalizing the situation, and I understand the way things are being reported seem to be to inflate the perception. However, this disease is serious and we can't assume yet that "recovery" is just that, it's far more complicated.

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When I saw acslater's post I thought of you but wasn't where I could reply. I'm so sorry to hear about the residual issues your wife is having and hope they'll resolve soon. That is one thing that isn't getting a lot of press, but is causing major problems for those affected.

acslater, hope you and your girlfriend recover with no long term problems.

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Thanks for the kind words everyone. There's a strong sense of relief in getting it and feeling like you fought it off pretty well that I wasn't expecting.

We're in the Charlotte area FYI.

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BTW, thanks for posting your story....I know earlier you mentioned the specific area and how some of the younger employees (and patrons) were a bit ambivalent....my brother and his fam live literally right across the street.

I notified him yesterday to avoid that area, as I know he gets food there quite a bit. He mentioned he went by just the other day, and noticed that folks were not the least bit concerned about preventing spread, and that he'd make sure he and his young adult sons avoided that area for a while

Sorry you and g/f are infected, but sharing perhaps will have lead other family(ies) not to be so!

Just a quick comparison of hospitalization numbers for reporting hospitals

6/8 - COVID ICU - 275

6/14 COVID ICU - 288

So definitely an ICU increase. Small decline in Triad and Duke ICU, but increase in Meck, CapRAC, and Mid Carolina.

Between 6/8 and 6/14 - Meck had the biggest increase in total number of C19 patients with almost 50 additional patients. CapRAC and Mid Carolina had increases of around 15. Duke and Triad remained relatively stable.

Eastern Healthcare showed a decrease in COVID-19 patients.

Again, this is all based on reported data, but it certainly shows Meck primarily driving the increase. Followed by smaller increases in CapRAC and Mid Carolina.

Percent COVID ICU of Total COVID patients by Hospital group (reported 6/14)

CapRAC: 32/76 = 42%
DHPC: 37/104 = 36%
EHPC: 27/85 = 42%
MAHPC: 9/21 = 43%
MCRHC: 44/85 = 52%
MHPC: 58/214 - 27%
SHPR: 12/28 = 42%
THPC: 69/184 = 38%

Duke, Triad, and Meck were the three hospital groups I noticed in late May had sudden surges in non-critical cases. It looks like these three groups still have a higher proportion of non-critical cases. I am not saying anything is inappropriate, but are there different admission standards?

Here's a few numbers from the triad:

1055/16942 positive, 481 hosp encounters

48 in hospital, 8 in ICU, 6 on vents

Numbers of admissions last 2 weeks: 16,11,9,8,12,4,11,6,7,8,9,8,9,4

Age groups:
0-17 66/893 positive, 3 hospital encounters
18-24 70/905, 9
25-49 365/4445, 116
50-64 261/4314, 134
65 plus 293/6385, 219