I imagine McCrory would have had us in line with SC or Ga. I hate politics but McCrory was closer to being our governor than most remember. He just went a little too damn far with the bathroom thing.
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Oh, for a week they didn't know what that spike in cases, but as soon as policy is set, they cop to the fact that it was almost 600 cases in one food plant. Liars.
BruceDouble said:
I imagine McCrory would have had us in line with SC or Ga. I hate politics but McCrory was closer to being our governor than most remember. He just went a little too damn far with the bathroom thing.
The problem is this shouldn't be a political issue, COVID isn't political to me.
The problem appears to be that most of the 'people in charge' are horrible crisis leaders BECAUSE they are politicians. At all levels of government and at every point in this crisis.
Wayland said:BruceDouble said:
I imagine McCrory would have had us in line with SC or Ga. I hate politics but McCrory was closer to being our governor than most remember. He just went a little too damn far with the bathroom thing.
The problem is this shouldn't be a political issue, COVID isn't political to me.
The problem appears to be that most of the 'people in charge' are horrible crisis leaders BECAUSE they are politicians. At all levels of government and at every point in this crisis.
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As the "great" democrat politician Rahm Emanuel said "You never let a serious crisis go to waste. And what I mean by that it's an opportunity to do things you think you could not do before"IseWolf22 said:Wayland said:BruceDouble said:
I imagine McCrory would have had us in line with SC or Ga. I hate politics but McCrory was closer to being our governor than most remember. He just went a little too damn far with the bathroom thing.
The problem is this shouldn't be a political issue, COVID isn't political to me.
The problem appears to be that most of the 'people in charge' are horrible crisis leaders BECAUSE they are politicians. At all levels of government and at every point in this crisis.
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We have to push back or we will lose our rights. There is no right to be safe. Everything you do has risk.cowboypack02 said:As the "great" democrat politician Rahm Emanuel said "You never let a serious crisis go to waste. And what I mean by that it's an opportunity to do things you think you could not do before"IseWolf22 said:Wayland said:BruceDouble said:
I imagine McCrory would have had us in line with SC or Ga. I hate politics but McCrory was closer to being our governor than most remember. He just went a little too damn far with the bathroom thing.
The problem is this shouldn't be a political issue, COVID isn't political to me.
The problem appears to be that most of the 'people in charge' are horrible crisis leaders BECAUSE they are politicians. At all levels of government and at every point in this crisis.
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Being an N. C. State fan builds great character!
It's just a very interesting dichotomy between the acceptable risk and death that society normally operates under, and the line in the sand that has been drawn by some during this pandemic. Every day, every single day, people die, for many and various things. We accept that a certain number of people will die by gunshot, or by car accident, or by the flu, or due to heart attacks caused by lifestyle choices, but among a certain portion of our population, we now cannot accept if anyone dies from Covid19. I've said it before, and I will keep hammering at it, but never again till the end of time will there be zero deaths from Covid19. Even if there's a vaccine. Even if there's a cure. Someone, somewhere will still die from it. This standard that has been set is unattainable. And to what end? I hold out hope that it isn't political. I believe that there were people who made honest decisions in the face of a great unknown months ago. But it's very hard not to be cynical at the way things continue to be handled in the face of mounting scientific evidence showing a very clear path forward.
Just a guy on the sunshine squad.
Could have been Hillary handling this.TopsailWolf said:
No kidding. He may be a half level above Trump as an effective communicator but both are so poor. It's a grind to listen to.
Like I said, if you cant get hyped for the Carolina game, why are you here?
-Earl Wolff-
-Earl Wolff-
Great call out --- it is either outright lying, or complete incompetence. If your whole being is to identify and address data around the disease that is directly impacting policy, and you can't quickly identify that you have a complete and large outlier of cases in an otherwise rural area that has a major meat processing facility....then something is completely wrong with your process (or, you don't want to identify the cause).Wayland said:
Oh, for a week they didn't know what that spike in cases, but as soon as policy is set, they cop to the fact that it was almost 600 cases in one food plant. Liars.
Second thought is --- how were the people at that facility not better protected?
Yeah, we should probably be glad social media and 7x24 news coverage that drives all the political divide didn't exist back in late 1941 / early 1942.Wayland said:BruceDouble said:
I imagine McCrory would have had us in line with SC or Ga. I hate politics but McCrory was closer to being our governor than most remember. He just went a little too damn far with the bathroom thing.
The problem is this shouldn't be a political issue, COVID isn't political to me.
The problem appears to be that most of the 'people in charge' are horrible crisis leaders BECAUSE they are politicians. At all levels of government and at every point in this crisis.
wilmwolf80 said:
It's just a very interesting dichotomy between the acceptable risk and death that society normally operates under, and the line in the sand that has been drawn by some during this pandemic. Every day, every single day, people die, for many and various things. We accept that a certain number of people will die by gunshot, or by car accident, or by the flu, or due to heart attacks caused by lifestyle choices, but among a certain portion of our population, we now cannot accept if anyone dies from Covid19. I've said it before, and I will keep hammering at it, but never again till the end of time will there be zero deaths from Covid19. Even if there's a vaccine. Even if there's a cure. Someone, somewhere will still die from it. This standard that has been set is unattainable. And to what end? I hold out hope that it isn't political. I believe that there were people who made honest decisions in the face of a great unknown months ago. But it's very hard not to be cynical at the way things continue to be handled in the face of mounting scientific evidence showing a very clear path forward.
An average of about 7,750 Americans die every day. Every. Single. Day. The mindset that a minuscule percentage of people dying from this virus is worth what we've done to our society is just unfathomable to me. When you throw in the statistics of the average age and percentages from nursing homes, it's just mind blowing. Then you add in the people who vocally shame anyone for not believing in the doom and gloom. I didn't have much faith in humanity before, but this has taken the cake for me.
From a UK perspective, but this is more the type of discussion that needs to be had rather that the current media panic porn.
The most recent Unherd interview with Sunetra Gupta, Professor of Theoretical Epidemiology at the University of Oxford:
https://unherd.com/2020/05/oxford-doubles-down-sunetra-gupta-interview/
Past Videos:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMxiv15iK_MFayY_3fU9loQ/featured
And just because Youtube deleted this video, you should watch it, and make a decision for yourself whether it has any value.
https://unherd.com/thepost/professor-karol-sikora-fear-is-more-dangerous-than-the-virus/
The most recent Unherd interview with Sunetra Gupta, Professor of Theoretical Epidemiology at the University of Oxford:
https://unherd.com/2020/05/oxford-doubles-down-sunetra-gupta-interview/
Quote:
She believes that deaths are the only reliable measure, and that the number of cases should not even be presented as it is so reliant on the amount of testing being done.
Past Videos:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMxiv15iK_MFayY_3fU9loQ/featured
And just because Youtube deleted this video, you should watch it, and make a decision for yourself whether it has any value.
https://unherd.com/thepost/professor-karol-sikora-fear-is-more-dangerous-than-the-virus/
Wow, Durham not allowing restaurants, salons, and pools to open until June 1....
So pissed. Even though the governor is allowing pools to open this weekend, Durham is keeping them closed until June 1. How is that even legal?
Wayland said:
Wow, Durham not allowing restaurants, salons, and pools to open until June 1....
Unreal.
I don't think alot of what is going on is legal, but no one has challenged it yet in courtSierrawolf said:
So pissed. Even though the governor is allowing pools to open this weekend, Durham is keeping them closed until June 1. How is that even legal?
The Governor's order said that local municipalities could put more stringent restrictions in place over what was being done at the State level.cowboypack02 said:I don't think alot of what is going on is legal, but no one has challenged it yet in courtSierrawolf said:
So pissed. Even though the governor is allowing pools to open this weekend, Durham is keeping them closed until June 1. How is that even legal?
Hey look what was standard practice in the areas hit hardest by COVID-19!! Sending actively infected COVID-19 patients back into nursing homes.
https://www.nj.com/opinion/2020/05/murphy-administration-ignored-cdc-advice-and-sent-covid-19-patients-to-nursing-homes-mulshine.html
Good job guys! NJ was doing the same thing NY was in forcing these facilities to take back patients.
Which got me thinking, maybe NC's hospitalization number isn't dropping in part because hospitals are hotelling some of these residents and not sending them back right away. Maybe, maybe not. But since the state doesn't want to provide insight or ASK then who knows.
https://www.nj.com/opinion/2020/05/murphy-administration-ignored-cdc-advice-and-sent-covid-19-patients-to-nursing-homes-mulshine.html
Good job guys! NJ was doing the same thing NY was in forcing these facilities to take back patients.
Which got me thinking, maybe NC's hospitalization number isn't dropping in part because hospitals are hotelling some of these residents and not sending them back right away. Maybe, maybe not. But since the state doesn't want to provide insight or ASK then who knows.
Some churches did challenge the governor last week and they won, mainly due to how unevenly the governor's policies have been implemented (allowing box stores to open, but restricting churches). I believe the gym and bar owners should also consider challenging the restrictions in court. I think they would have a good chance of winning. I see little difference between allowing restaurants to open at 50% occupancy, but not allowing bars to open with same restrictions.cowboypack02 said:I don't think alot of what is going on is legal, but no one has challenged it yet in courtSierrawolf said:
So pissed. Even though the governor is allowing pools to open this weekend, Durham is keeping them closed until June 1. How is that even legal?
With regards to gyms, what if they restricted occupancy to 10 people at one time? Why would this not be acceptable. The governor's order allows for colleges and professional teams to workout under these restrictions. His order allows mass gatherings of no more than 10 people indoors and no more than 25 outdoors. Professional and college athletes may resume training as long as they adhere to the mass gathering restrictions. The attorney general should be forced to defend the differences to a judge.
Just saw my Dr. for the first time in 4 months before all this started here. Not sick but had another issue. Asked him what he thought about some of stuff going on with lockdowns, testing ,etc. He acknowledged that this thing was tough to understand medically right now. It's different. He has done a few antibody tests but he's never seen results like this before, where the IgM and IgG show up at the same time. Says we really need to be testing IgA antibodies. On the subject of shutdowns, he thinks we need to open up though. He says the shutdown is not helping. Virus needs to run it's course through the population but he said the elderly or weaker do need to stay at home and protect themselves.
5/21/2020 Morning DHHS update (as of 11:00am)Wayland said:5/20/2020 Morning DHHS update (as of 11:00am)Wayland said:5/19/2020 Morning DHHS update (as of 11:00am) <- Revised based on 2pm for Daily totalWayland said:5/19/2020 Morning DHHS update (as of 11:00am)Wayland said:5/18/2020 Morning DHHS update (as of 11:00am)Wayland said:5/17/2020 Morning DHHS update (as of 11:00am)Wayland said:5/16/2020 Morning DHHS update (as of 11:00am)Wayland said:
5/15/2020 Morning DHHS update (as of 11:00am)
NC Cases*
17,129
NC Deaths**
641
Currently Hospitalized
492
Completed Tests
231,547
400 Deaths are now Congregate (+19)
54 Deaths are now Unknown Setting (+1)
+26 Deaths Overall since yesterday.
187 Deaths assumed General Population (+6)
454 Congregate and Unknown Setting. (+20)
122 Congregate Facilities now have an outbreak. (+1)
WRAL is at 654 (+2) and NandO is at 661 deaths
622 positive cases over 12279 new tests. 5.1% positive rate.
DHHS is caught up to media as of this morning. Right after DHHS posted media increased totals.
Highest 2 day total of reported cases, but also third straight day over 8000 tests over 12k today! (but most of this data is lagged). Percent positive is still within a reasonable range.
Positive that hospitalizations are still stable/slightly below where they have been at their peak 2 weeks ago. While this data is incomplete, take it for its trend value (since this week has had a relatively high reporting hospital rate at over 90%.. 94% today).
Apparently Chatham County added 13 death as part of today's total, going from 11 to 24 deaths in the county. Will be interesting to see where that backlog came from.
NC Cases*
17,982
NC Deaths**
652
Currently Hospitalized
481
Completed Tests
238,586
407 Deaths are now Congregate (+7)
53 Deaths are now Unknown Setting (-1)
+11 Deaths Overall since yesterday.
192 Deaths assumed General Population (+5)
460 Congregate and Unknown Setting. (+6)
128 Congregate Facilities now have an outbreak. (+6)
WRAL is at 661 (+2) and NandO is at 675 deaths
853 positive cases over 7039 new tests. 12.1% positive rate.
High number of cases, high positives today! Kind of balances out yesterday's low positive %. Around 200 of those cases out of congregate facilities.
DHHS falling behind media on numbers of deaths.
NC Cases*
18,512
NC Deaths**
659
Currently Hospitalized
493
Completed Tests
248,944
413 Deaths are now Congregate (+6)
53 Deaths are now Unknown Setting (0)
+7 Deaths Overall since yesterday.
193 Deaths assumed General Population (+1)
466 Congregate and Unknown Setting. (+6)
129 Congregate Facilities now have an outbreak. (+1)
WRAL is at 667 (+2) and NandO is at 684 deaths
530 positive cases over 10358 new tests. 5.1% positive rate.
DHHS still lagging.
Despite over 500 new cases today, 5.1% is a decently low rate.
NC Cases*
19,023
NC Deaths**
661
Currently Hospitalized
511
Completed Tests
255,755
415 Deaths are now Congregate (+2)
53 Deaths are now Unknown Setting (0)
+2 Deaths Overall since yesterday.
193 Deaths assumed General Population (+0)
468 Congregate and Unknown Setting. (+2)
130 Congregate Facilities now have an outbreak. (+1)
WRAL is at 674 (+2) and NandO is at 691 deaths
511 positive cases over 6811 new tests. 7.5% positive rate.
Would like to see positive cases lower. Would also like to see the hospitalization number come down, but I still feel we need a much better breakdown on what that number is. ICU vs non-ICU. New admits vs recovered cases....but it is what it is.
Also expect a HUGE dump tomorrow as deaths are lagging at a ridiculous pace at the moment.
NC Cases*
19,445
NC Deaths**
682
Currently Hospitalized
585
Completed Tests
265,008
433 Deaths are now Congregate (+18)
54 Deaths are now Unknown Setting (1)
+21 Deaths Overall since yesterday.
195 Deaths assumed General Population (+2)
487 Congregate and Unknown Setting. (+19)
133 Congregate Facilities now have an outbreak. (+3)
WRAL is at 687 (+2) and NandO is at 709
422 positive cases over 9253 new tests. 4.7% positive rate.
All the lagging congregate deaths.
A little concerned on the hospitalizations, not too though. Would love to see where those cases are originating, if it is just congregate cases moving to hospitals. What is the ICU numbers? Who is going in and out?
Since listed as separate categories on April 19th.
Per Day Average Death by Location:
Congregate: 12.1
Unknown : 1.2
General: 3.5
DHHS has taken down their morning update. Will change numbers if they update differently.
NC Cases*
19,700
NC Deaths**
691
Currently Hospitalized
585
Completed Tests
265,008
439 Deaths are now Congregate (+24)
56 Deaths are now Unknown Setting (+3)
+30 Deaths Overall since yesterday.
196 Deaths assumed General Population (+3)
495 Congregate and Unknown Setting. (+27)
130 Congregate Facilities now have an outbreak. (0)
WRAL is at 687 (+2) and NandO is at 719
422 positive cases over 9253 new tests. 4.7% positive rate. <- 11am
677 positive cases over 9253 new tests. 7.3% positive rate. <- 2pm
All the lagging congregate deaths. Based on NandO death totals, counties posting lag numbers all over.
A little concerned on the hospitalizations, not too though. Would love to see where those cases are originating, if it is just congregate cases moving to hospitals. What is the ICU numbers? Who is going in and out?
Since listed as separate categories on April 19th.
Per Day Average Death by Location:
Congregate: 12.3
Unknown : 1.2
General: 3.5
NC Cases*
20,122
NC Deaths**
702
Currently Hospitalized
554
Completed Tests
277,603
446 Deaths are now Congregate (+7)
56 Deaths are now Unknown Setting (+0)
+11 Deaths Overall since yesterday.
200 Deaths assumed General Population (+4)
502 Congregate and Unknown Setting. (+7)
135 Congregate Facilities now have an outbreak. (+5)
WRAL is at 718 (+2) and NandO is at 726
422 positive cases over 12,595 new tests. 3.6% positive rate. (The change to the total day over day is is 12,595 but State lists 10,122 tests today. In fact the whole number of tests reported each day by day is now completely different on their site)
Not sure there is much more reason for this anymore with the improvements in the dashboard. For me it is now just an exercise I do to digest the daily data.
NC Cases*
20,910 (updated at 1:50 to remove 50 cases and post 20,860)
NC Deaths**
716
Currently Hospitalized
578
Completed Tests
290,645
455 Deaths are now Congregate (+9)
56 Deaths are now Unknown Setting (+0)
+14 Deaths Overall since yesterday.
205 Deaths assumed General Population (+5)
511 Congregate and Unknown Setting. (+9)
140 Congregate Facilities now have an outbreak. (+5)
WRAL is at 735 (+2) and NandO is at 740
788 positive cases over 13,042 new tests. 6.0% positive rate
DHHS is still doing all kinds of playing with their test data so I will just show the delta day over day, and let them throw it against a wall and see where in the calendar it falls.
Congregate facilities continue to spike upwards that should be everyone's concern, not playgrounds.
Regarding death lag today. Of the deaths reported today 2 occurred on May 12. The remaining 12 were spread across the last 5 days.
Daviewolf83 said:Some churches did challenge the governor last week and they won, mainly due to how unevenly the governor's policies have been implemented (allowing box stores to open, but restricting churches). I believe the gym and bar owners should also consider challenging the restrictions in court. I think they would have a good chance of winning. I see little difference between allowing restaurants to open at 50% occupancy, but not allowing bars to open with same restrictions.cowboypack02 said:I don't think alot of what is going on is legal, but no one has challenged it yet in courtSierrawolf said:
So pissed. Even though the governor is allowing pools to open this weekend, Durham is keeping them closed until June 1. How is that even legal?
With regards to gyms, what if they restricted occupancy to 10 people at one time? Why would this not be acceptable. The governor's order allows for colleges and professional teams to workout under these restrictions. His order allows mass gatherings of no more than 10 people indoors and no more than 25 outdoors. Professional and college athletes may resume training as long as they adhere to the mass gathering restrictions. The attorney general should be forced to defend the differences to a judge.
This is what I mean. It just doesn't make any sense how some of these things are being decided. I'll continue to use your bar example. Restaurants can have people, but because a bar doesn't serve food they cant? I'll expand it further. ABC scores never closed, but a bar isn't allowed to be open for months. I read an article this morning (may of been here actually) that made a point about alcohol sales being up 60% in NC, but only ABC scores get to reap the benefit of this because the governor has decided that one place of business is allowed to be open, but another isn't. Sounds an awful lot to me like one person in state government is picking winners and losers....
Something odd is going on with NC's new dashboard. They just removed 50 Lab confirmed cases from their count today but didn't change other numbers. It now reads 20,860... I know their is some data manipulation going on, but if you are backtracking numbers. You need to acknowledge it somewhere.
Changing the format... fudging numbers. And this is what our governor references when he decides to continuing killing the state's businesses and for that matter a chance to have fun?Wayland said:
Something odd is going on with NC's new dashboard. They just removed 50 Lab confirmed cases from their count today but didn't change other numbers. It now reads 20,860... I know their is some data manipulation going on, but if you are backtracking numbers. You need to acknowledge it somewhere.
https://www.wral.com/coronavirus/surge-in-liquor-sales-offset-by-bar-restaurant-closures/19105156/cowboypack02 said:
. I read an article this morning (may of been here actually) that made a point about alcohol sales being up 60% in NC, but only ABC scores get to reap the benefit of this because the governor has decided that one place of business is allowed to be open, but another isn't. Sounds an awful lot to me like one person in state government is picking winners and losers....
this is one of the more informative articles on liquor sales in NC from WRAL of all places. ABC store sales are in fact up (not 60%) but the overall liquor sales are flat to down as bar sales have gone to zero. If I read this correctly, overall liquor sales in the state are down slightly. State revenues are down as a result.
I cant help but think policy is being influenced by the choice of news editing. That is, there may be 99 out of 100 good bar openings across other states....but what continually makes the news are the scenes where people are all over each other, completely disregarding social distancing, etc...or spilling over into the streets.cowboypack02 said:Daviewolf83 said:Some churches did challenge the governor last week and they won, mainly due to how unevenly the governor's policies have been implemented (allowing box stores to open, but restricting churches). I believe the gym and bar owners should also consider challenging the restrictions in court. I think they would have a good chance of winning. I see little difference between allowing restaurants to open at 50% occupancy, but not allowing bars to open with same restrictions.cowboypack02 said:I don't think alot of what is going on is legal, but no one has challenged it yet in courtSierrawolf said:
So pissed. Even though the governor is allowing pools to open this weekend, Durham is keeping them closed until June 1. How is that even legal?
With regards to gyms, what if they restricted occupancy to 10 people at one time? Why would this not be acceptable. The governor's order allows for colleges and professional teams to workout under these restrictions. His order allows mass gatherings of no more than 10 people indoors and no more than 25 outdoors. Professional and college athletes may resume training as long as they adhere to the mass gathering restrictions. The attorney general should be forced to defend the differences to a judge.
This is what I mean. It just doesn't make any sense how some of these things are being decided. I'll continue to use your bar example. Restaurants can have people, but because a bar doesn't serve food they cant? I'll expand it further. ABC scores never closed, but a bar isn't allowed to be open for months. I read an article this morning (may of been here actually) that made a point about alcohol sales being up 60% in NC, but only ABC scores get to reap the benefit of this because the governor has decided that one place of business is allowed to be open, but another isn't. Sounds an awful lot to me like one person in state government is picking winners and losers....
Its not unlike Charlotte shutting down parks on the first business day after a video of a volleyball game going on in an urban park in uptown CLT made the waves and created a huge cry.
So maybe he's not just influenced by "science" and "data", but also imagery?
Amen, they're all terrible regardless of party.Wayland said:BruceDouble said:
I imagine McCrory would have had us in line with SC or Ga. I hate politics but McCrory was closer to being our governor than most remember. He just went a little too damn far with the bathroom thing.
The problem is this shouldn't be a political issue, COVID isn't political to me.
The problem appears to be that most of the 'people in charge' are horrible crisis leaders BECAUSE they are politicians. At all levels of government and at every point in this crisis.
Had 2 people test positive at a job site I'm installing floors in in Wilmington. One on may 8th and another on May 13th.
5/22/2020 Morning DHHS update (as of 11:00am)Wayland said:5/21/2020 Morning DHHS update (as of 11:00am)Wayland said:5/20/2020 Morning DHHS update (as of 11:00am)Wayland said:5/19/2020 Morning DHHS update (as of 11:00am) <- Revised based on 2pm for Daily totalWayland said:5/19/2020 Morning DHHS update (as of 11:00am)Wayland said:5/18/2020 Morning DHHS update (as of 11:00am)Wayland said:5/17/2020 Morning DHHS update (as of 11:00am)Wayland said:5/16/2020 Morning DHHS update (as of 11:00am)Wayland said:
5/15/2020 Morning DHHS update (as of 11:00am)
NC Cases*
17,129
NC Deaths**
641
Currently Hospitalized
492
Completed Tests
231,547
400 Deaths are now Congregate (+19)
54 Deaths are now Unknown Setting (+1)
+26 Deaths Overall since yesterday.
187 Deaths assumed General Population (+6)
454 Congregate and Unknown Setting. (+20)
122 Congregate Facilities now have an outbreak. (+1)
WRAL is at 654 (+2) and NandO is at 661 deaths
622 positive cases over 12279 new tests. 5.1% positive rate.
DHHS is caught up to media as of this morning. Right after DHHS posted media increased totals.
Highest 2 day total of reported cases, but also third straight day over 8000 tests over 12k today! (but most of this data is lagged). Percent positive is still within a reasonable range.
Positive that hospitalizations are still stable/slightly below where they have been at their peak 2 weeks ago. While this data is incomplete, take it for its trend value (since this week has had a relatively high reporting hospital rate at over 90%.. 94% today).
Apparently Chatham County added 13 death as part of today's total, going from 11 to 24 deaths in the county. Will be interesting to see where that backlog came from.
NC Cases*
17,982
NC Deaths**
652
Currently Hospitalized
481
Completed Tests
238,586
407 Deaths are now Congregate (+7)
53 Deaths are now Unknown Setting (-1)
+11 Deaths Overall since yesterday.
192 Deaths assumed General Population (+5)
460 Congregate and Unknown Setting. (+6)
128 Congregate Facilities now have an outbreak. (+6)
WRAL is at 661 (+2) and NandO is at 675 deaths
853 positive cases over 7039 new tests. 12.1% positive rate.
High number of cases, high positives today! Kind of balances out yesterday's low positive %. Around 200 of those cases out of congregate facilities.
DHHS falling behind media on numbers of deaths.
NC Cases*
18,512
NC Deaths**
659
Currently Hospitalized
493
Completed Tests
248,944
413 Deaths are now Congregate (+6)
53 Deaths are now Unknown Setting (0)
+7 Deaths Overall since yesterday.
193 Deaths assumed General Population (+1)
466 Congregate and Unknown Setting. (+6)
129 Congregate Facilities now have an outbreak. (+1)
WRAL is at 667 (+2) and NandO is at 684 deaths
530 positive cases over 10358 new tests. 5.1% positive rate.
DHHS still lagging.
Despite over 500 new cases today, 5.1% is a decently low rate.
NC Cases*
19,023
NC Deaths**
661
Currently Hospitalized
511
Completed Tests
255,755
415 Deaths are now Congregate (+2)
53 Deaths are now Unknown Setting (0)
+2 Deaths Overall since yesterday.
193 Deaths assumed General Population (+0)
468 Congregate and Unknown Setting. (+2)
130 Congregate Facilities now have an outbreak. (+1)
WRAL is at 674 (+2) and NandO is at 691 deaths
511 positive cases over 6811 new tests. 7.5% positive rate.
Would like to see positive cases lower. Would also like to see the hospitalization number come down, but I still feel we need a much better breakdown on what that number is. ICU vs non-ICU. New admits vs recovered cases....but it is what it is.
Also expect a HUGE dump tomorrow as deaths are lagging at a ridiculous pace at the moment.
NC Cases*
19,445
NC Deaths**
682
Currently Hospitalized
585
Completed Tests
265,008
433 Deaths are now Congregate (+18)
54 Deaths are now Unknown Setting (1)
+21 Deaths Overall since yesterday.
195 Deaths assumed General Population (+2)
487 Congregate and Unknown Setting. (+19)
133 Congregate Facilities now have an outbreak. (+3)
WRAL is at 687 (+2) and NandO is at 709
422 positive cases over 9253 new tests. 4.7% positive rate.
All the lagging congregate deaths.
A little concerned on the hospitalizations, not too though. Would love to see where those cases are originating, if it is just congregate cases moving to hospitals. What is the ICU numbers? Who is going in and out?
Since listed as separate categories on April 19th.
Per Day Average Death by Location:
Congregate: 12.1
Unknown : 1.2
General: 3.5
DHHS has taken down their morning update. Will change numbers if they update differently.
NC Cases*
19,700
NC Deaths**
691
Currently Hospitalized
585
Completed Tests
265,008
439 Deaths are now Congregate (+24)
56 Deaths are now Unknown Setting (+3)
+30 Deaths Overall since yesterday.
196 Deaths assumed General Population (+3)
495 Congregate and Unknown Setting. (+27)
130 Congregate Facilities now have an outbreak. (0)
WRAL is at 687 (+2) and NandO is at 719
422 positive cases over 9253 new tests. 4.7% positive rate. <- 11am
677 positive cases over 9253 new tests. 7.3% positive rate. <- 2pm
All the lagging congregate deaths. Based on NandO death totals, counties posting lag numbers all over.
A little concerned on the hospitalizations, not too though. Would love to see where those cases are originating, if it is just congregate cases moving to hospitals. What is the ICU numbers? Who is going in and out?
Since listed as separate categories on April 19th.
Per Day Average Death by Location:
Congregate: 12.3
Unknown : 1.2
General: 3.5
NC Cases*
20,122
NC Deaths**
702
Currently Hospitalized
554
Completed Tests
277,603
446 Deaths are now Congregate (+7)
56 Deaths are now Unknown Setting (+0)
+11 Deaths Overall since yesterday.
200 Deaths assumed General Population (+4)
502 Congregate and Unknown Setting. (+7)
135 Congregate Facilities now have an outbreak. (+5)
WRAL is at 718 (+2) and NandO is at 726
422 positive cases over 12,595 new tests. 3.6% positive rate. (The change to the total day over day is is 12,595 but State lists 10,122 tests today. In fact the whole number of tests reported each day by day is now completely different on their site)
Not sure there is much more reason for this anymore with the improvements in the dashboard. For me it is now just an exercise I do to digest the daily data.
NC Cases*
20,910 (updated at 1:50 to remove 50 cases and post 20,860)
NC Deaths**
716
Currently Hospitalized
578
Completed Tests
290,645
455 Deaths are now Congregate (+9)
56 Deaths are now Unknown Setting (+0)
+14 Deaths Overall since yesterday.
205 Deaths assumed General Population (+5)
511 Congregate and Unknown Setting. (+9)
140 Congregate Facilities now have an outbreak. (+5)
WRAL is at 735 (+2) and NandO is at 740
788 positive cases over 13,042 new tests. 6.0% positive rate
DHHS is still doing all kinds of playing with their test data so I will just show the delta day over day, and let them throw it against a wall and see where in the calendar it falls.
Congregate facilities continue to spike upwards that should be everyone's concern, not playgrounds.
Regarding death lag today. Of the deaths reported today 2 occurred on May 12. The remaining 12 were spread across the last 5 days.
NC Cases*
21,618
NC Deaths**
728
Currently Hospitalized
568
Completed Tests
303,224
459 Deaths are now Congregate (+4)
58 Deaths are now Unknown Setting (+2)
+12 Deaths Overall since yesterday.
211 Deaths assumed General Population (+6)
517 Congregate and Unknown Setting. (+6)
143 Congregate Facilities now have an outbreak. (+3)
WRAL is at 741 (+2) and NandO is at 761
758 positive cases over 12579 new tests. 6.0% positive rate
1 death reported today is from 5/15, 1 from 5/16. The remainder are from the last 3 days.
Ridiculous how many congregate facilities continue to outbreak. DHHS is lagging far behind media this week, I guess verification takes time. Over 30 deaths behind. Some of the biggest lag to date.
I really want a deeper look into what the hospitalizations mean and if hospitals are hotelling LTC patients and what the ICU breakdown is.
If a patient from a congregate facility dies in the hospital, is that death counted on the congregate side?
Just a guy on the sunshine squad.
wilmwolf80 said:
If a patient from a congregate facility dies in the hospital, is that death counted on the congregate side?
I believe so. I was under the assumption that that was the case. Again with the caveat of anything reported before April 18, it is likely that some congregate deaths were being attributed to the general population COVID number since before that date they were not reported as separate numbers.
Again, I really wish the DHHS would be more transparent to the hospitalizations. If they are hotelling LTC cases in the hospital instead of sending them back to their facilities that isn't necessarily a bad thing. But if it is inflating the hospital numbers, let's make that clear.
And just come out and say how many patients are ICU vs non-ICU. Why aren't we being transparent with data?
Meck County Data - 57.7% of deaths from LTC
Cases going up
Percent Positive Down/Stable
Cases going up
Percent Positive Down/Stable
Wayland said:wilmwolf80 said:
If a patient from a congregate facility dies in the hospital, is that death counted on the congregate side?
I believe so. I was under the assumption that that was the case. Again with the caveat of anything reported before April 18, it is likely that some congregate deaths were being attributed to the general population COVID number since before that date they were not reported as separate numbers.
Again, I really wish the DHHS would be more transparent to the hospitalizations. If they are hotelling LTC cases in the hospital instead of sending them back to their facilities that isn't necessarily a bad thing. But if it is inflating the hospital numbers, let's make that clear.
And just come out and say how many patients are ICU vs non-ICU. Why aren't we being transparent with data?
There was a woman on last night talking about that and Cuomo's forcing off covid patients back into nursing homes. Both her in-laws passed and one was taken from the nursing home to the hospital and passed there. It was said that was NOT considered a nursing home death. In full transparency it was on the Tucker Carlson show so certainly fit the narrative and there was no specific rule cited (though I'm sure that would be tough to find anyway)...but just what was said on the show last night.
NY's nursing home deaths while high, do not reflect the same percentage as has shown in most places which would seem odd considering the forcing of covid patients back into them. Would lead me to believe the hospital deaths were not being counted as congregate deaths.
Maybe that intrepid CNN reporter Cuomo guy can ask the NY Governor how they counted those deaths the next time he is on for one of his numerous interviews. They are hard-hitting on the POTUS, so I'm sure they'll ask the similar tough questions about those policies of the exponentially worst state in the countryPossumJenkins said:Wayland said:wilmwolf80 said:
If a patient from a congregate facility dies in the hospital, is that death counted on the congregate side?
I believe so. I was under the assumption that that was the case. Again with the caveat of anything reported before April 18, it is likely that some congregate deaths were being attributed to the general population COVID number since before that date they were not reported as separate numbers.
Again, I really wish the DHHS would be more transparent to the hospitalizations. If they are hotelling LTC cases in the hospital instead of sending them back to their facilities that isn't necessarily a bad thing. But if it is inflating the hospital numbers, let's make that clear.
And just come out and say how many patients are ICU vs non-ICU. Why aren't we being transparent with data?
There was a woman on last night talking about that and Cuomo's forcing off covid patients back into nursing homes. Both her in-laws passed and one was taken from the nursing home to the hospital and passed there. It was said that was NOT considered a nursing home death. In full transparency it was on the Tucker Carlson show so certainly fit the narrative and there was no specific rule cited (though I'm sure that would be tough to find anyway)...but just what was said on the show last night.
NY's nursing home deaths while high, do not reflect the same percentage as has shown in most places which would seem odd considering the forcing of covid patients back into them. Would lead me to believe the hospital deaths were not being counted as congregate deaths.
Oh you know that is going to happen. CNN is the bastion of journalism! I need a sarcasm font because some on here will believe it.Packchem91 said:Maybe that intrepid CNN reporter Cuomo guy can ask the NY Governor how they counted those deaths the next time he is on for one of his numerous interviews. They are hard-hitting on the POTUS, so I'm sure they'll ask the similar tough questions about those policies of the exponentially worst state in the countryPossumJenkins said:Wayland said:wilmwolf80 said:
If a patient from a congregate facility dies in the hospital, is that death counted on the congregate side?
I believe so. I was under the assumption that that was the case. Again with the caveat of anything reported before April 18, it is likely that some congregate deaths were being attributed to the general population COVID number since before that date they were not reported as separate numbers.
Again, I really wish the DHHS would be more transparent to the hospitalizations. If they are hotelling LTC cases in the hospital instead of sending them back to their facilities that isn't necessarily a bad thing. But if it is inflating the hospital numbers, let's make that clear.
And just come out and say how many patients are ICU vs non-ICU. Why aren't we being transparent with data?
There was a woman on last night talking about that and Cuomo's forcing off covid patients back into nursing homes. Both her in-laws passed and one was taken from the nursing home to the hospital and passed there. It was said that was NOT considered a nursing home death. In full transparency it was on the Tucker Carlson show so certainly fit the narrative and there was no specific rule cited (though I'm sure that would be tough to find anyway)...but just what was said on the show last night.
NY's nursing home deaths while high, do not reflect the same percentage as has shown in most places which would seem odd considering the forcing of covid patients back into them. Would lead me to believe the hospital deaths were not being counted as congregate deaths.
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