FLWolf said:

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This job is Hart's to lose

Recruits know it also

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pack2010 said:

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James Henderson said:

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pack2010 said:

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James Henderson said:

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SportManagementEngineer said:

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James Henderson said:

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kmb717 said:

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StateFan2001 said:

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There is no reason to go into a hatchet job on EA. EA has largely done a very nice job in his career at State. Are there some things where I feel he falls short - yes for sure. But all in all EA has had a very nice career at State. And I agree with the poster above, outside of pitching, this isn't a championship level roster this year.

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Very nice is a massive understatement. EA is an NC State legend and what he's done with this program the past 20+ years is nothing short of remarkable given the lack of investment he's received.

These last 2 games were all time clunkers no doubt. And the fact he hasn't won an ACC title, regular season or tourney, is nothing short of just a baseball fluke.

The EA slander from posters who watch 5 games a year is beyond comical. Ranked in the top 25 every year, make the postseason every year, 3 times to Omaha, and straight up robbed of a national title in one of the biggest injustices in sports history.

We should name the field after him whenever he decides to retire.

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I often wonder how we determine who watches 5 games a year.

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In this case, the baseball board has pretty much the same few posters every week whether its a game thread for a Tuesday against UNCW or a weekend conference series. As we get into May, a bunch of new faces show up to complain after State loses (usually in the ACC Tournament, but they came out a few days early this season).

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I think some just choose to post more in the threads when the games get even bigger.

I watch or listen to every single game that's available to listen to or watch, but I don't post in every in-game thread throughout the course of the season.

It's a forum, folks want to give their opinions on topics whether they posted earlier in the year or not. I just don't understand why how many games a person watches should matter. I bet there's a lot of fans/media watching a lot of games across sports who don't have a real clue about what they're watching.

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That's a weird take to me. Most of the fans complaining on X, here, there, anywhere, can't name 10 players on the team and it's because they don't watch. It's fair weather fandom. And yeah, personally, it is hard to listen to someone complain who didn't know who the Friday night pitcher was until 3 weeks ago.

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But a lot of fans "complain" who do watch almost every game. I find it funny though it's complaining when simply it's thinking you can do things differently to be even better.

I guess I just can't figure out which poster didn't know who the Friday night pitcher was until 3 weeks ago like others seem to be able to.

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i am not talking about particular posters, I mean people who complain in general and why it should matter how many games they watch (or even listen to).

The best way I can put it is this: I am not a hockey fan (don't come at me, playoff hockey is great). I will watch 4-5 Canes a season, mostly being in the postseason. Imagine after every loss I went on forums/X/etc and said "Wow why didn't coach leave #12 in?" "Dang I can't believe #10 lost that game for us!" "Sheesh the line changes for coach was horrible, that isn't okay!". IMO I would be in no right to go and complain if I have no idea the roster, or how they have played the entire season. THAT is why it matters how many games a season the fan watches.

If you want to be casual and enjoy the ride (like me and the Canes), do it. But don't become critical and complain when you don't know the basics of what you are watching.

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griff17matt said:

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pack2010 said:

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James Henderson said:

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pack2010 said:

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James Henderson said:

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SportManagementEngineer said:

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James Henderson said:

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kmb717 said:

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StateFan2001 said:

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There is no reason to go into a hatchet job on EA. EA has largely done a very nice job in his career at State. Are there some things where I feel he falls short - yes for sure. But all in all EA has had a very nice career at State. And I agree with the poster above, outside of pitching, this isn't a championship level roster this year.

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Very nice is a massive understatement. EA is an NC State legend and what he's done with this program the past 20+ years is nothing short of remarkable given the lack of investment he's received.

These last 2 games were all time clunkers no doubt. And the fact he hasn't won an ACC title, regular season or tourney, is nothing short of just a baseball fluke.

The EA slander from posters who watch 5 games a year is beyond comical. Ranked in the top 25 every year, make the postseason every year, 3 times to Omaha, and straight up robbed of a national title in one of the biggest injustices in sports history.

We should name the field after him whenever he decides to retire.

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I often wonder how we determine who watches 5 games a year.

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In this case, the baseball board has pretty much the same few posters every week whether its a game thread for a Tuesday against UNCW or a weekend conference series. As we get into May, a bunch of new faces show up to complain after State loses (usually in the ACC Tournament, but they came out a few days early this season).

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I think some just choose to post more in the threads when the games get even bigger.

I watch or listen to every single game that's available to listen to or watch, but I don't post in every in-game thread throughout the course of the season.

It's a forum, folks want to give their opinions on topics whether they posted earlier in the year or not. I just don't understand why how many games a person watches should matter. I bet there's a lot of fans/media watching a lot of games across sports who don't have a real clue about what they're watching.

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That's a weird take to me. Most of the fans complaining on X, here, there, anywhere, can't name 10 players on the team and it's because they don't watch. It's fair weather fandom. And yeah, personally, it is hard to listen to someone complain who didn't know who the Friday night pitcher was until 3 weeks ago.

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But a lot of fans "complain" who do watch almost every game. I find it funny though it's complaining when simply it's thinking you can do things differently to be even better.

I guess I just can't figure out which poster didn't know who the Friday night pitcher was until 3 weeks ago like others seem to be able to.

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i am not talking about particular posters, I mean people who complain in general and why it should matter how many games they watch (or even listen to).

The best way I can put it is this: I am not a hockey fan (don't come at me, playoff hockey is great). I will watch 4-5 Canes a season, mostly being in the postseason. Imagine after every loss I went on forums/X/etc and said "Wow why didn't coach leave #12 in?" "Dang I can't believe #10 lost that game for us!" "Sheesh the line changes for coach was horrible, that isn't okay!". IMO I would be in no right to go and complain if I have no idea the roster, or how they have played the entire season. THAT is why it matters how many games a season the fan watches.

If you want to be casual and enjoy the ride (like me and the Canes), do it. But don't become critical and complain when you don't know the basics of what you are watching.

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I think what James is trying to say is how the hell would you know who has or hasn't watched every game this season? Just based on their posting patterns on this sub-forum? And even if they didn't watch every single game, why shouldn't they be allowed to voice their opinion? It seems like baseball folks love to gatekeep baseball for some reason.

I don't think you should be calling for EA's job if you don't know what's going on but you should be able to question why you have Heavner hitting with one out and runners on first and third.

Imo, everyone should try to step back from the constant Eeyore mentality with every game, but this is generally a place for folks to vent frustration so it comes with the territory. And if you don't like someone's posting habits, the ignore function works.

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pack2010 said:

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griff17matt said:

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pack2010 said:

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James Henderson said:

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pack2010 said:

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James Henderson said:

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SportManagementEngineer said:

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James Henderson said:

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kmb717 said:

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StateFan2001 said:

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There is no reason to go into a hatchet job on EA. EA has largely done a very nice job in his career at State. Are there some things where I feel he falls short - yes for sure. But all in all EA has had a very nice career at State. And I agree with the poster above, outside of pitching, this isn't a championship level roster this year.

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Very nice is a massive understatement. EA is an NC State legend and what he's done with this program the past 20+ years is nothing short of remarkable given the lack of investment he's received.

These last 2 games were all time clunkers no doubt. And the fact he hasn't won an ACC title, regular season or tourney, is nothing short of just a baseball fluke.

The EA slander from posters who watch 5 games a year is beyond comical. Ranked in the top 25 every year, make the postseason every year, 3 times to Omaha, and straight up robbed of a national title in one of the biggest injustices in sports history.

We should name the field after him whenever he decides to retire.

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I often wonder how we determine who watches 5 games a year.

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In this case, the baseball board has pretty much the same few posters every week whether its a game thread for a Tuesday against UNCW or a weekend conference series. As we get into May, a bunch of new faces show up to complain after State loses (usually in the ACC Tournament, but they came out a few days early this season).

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I think some just choose to post more in the threads when the games get even bigger.

I watch or listen to every single game that's available to listen to or watch, but I don't post in every in-game thread throughout the course of the season.

It's a forum, folks want to give their opinions on topics whether they posted earlier in the year or not. I just don't understand why how many games a person watches should matter. I bet there's a lot of fans/media watching a lot of games across sports who don't have a real clue about what they're watching.

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That's a weird take to me. Most of the fans complaining on X, here, there, anywhere, can't name 10 players on the team and it's because they don't watch. It's fair weather fandom. And yeah, personally, it is hard to listen to someone complain who didn't know who the Friday night pitcher was until 3 weeks ago.

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But a lot of fans "complain" who do watch almost every game. I find it funny though it's complaining when simply it's thinking you can do things differently to be even better.

I guess I just can't figure out which poster didn't know who the Friday night pitcher was until 3 weeks ago like others seem to be able to.

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i am not talking about particular posters, I mean people who complain in general and why it should matter how many games they watch (or even listen to).

The best way I can put it is this: I am not a hockey fan (don't come at me, playoff hockey is great). I will watch 4-5 Canes a season, mostly being in the postseason. Imagine after every loss I went on forums/X/etc and said "Wow why didn't coach leave #12 in?" "Dang I can't believe #10 lost that game for us!" "Sheesh the line changes for coach was horrible, that isn't okay!". IMO I would be in no right to go and complain if I have no idea the roster, or how they have played the entire season. THAT is why it matters how many games a season the fan watches.

If you want to be casual and enjoy the ride (like me and the Canes), do it. But don't become critical and complain when you don't know the basics of what you are watching.

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I think what James is trying to say is how the hell would you know who has or hasn't watched every game this season? Just based on their posting patterns on this sub-forum? And even if they didn't watch every single game, why shouldn't they be allowed to voice their opinion? It seems like baseball folks love to gatekeep baseball for some reason.

I don't think you should be calling for EA's job if you don't know what's going on but you should be able to question why you have Heavner hitting with one out and runners on first and third.

Imo, everyone should try to step back from the constant Eeyore mentality with every game, but this is generally a place for folks to vent frustration so it comes with the territory. And if you don't like someone's posting habits, the ignore function works.

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You wouldnt know if they watched 5 games or 35 games unless they say some dumb stuff. Baseball is baseball and everyone is entitled to their opinion. Talking about the game is great. So is second guessing some things.

But, regarding the Heavner example, I think most people here that watch most of the games are totally fine when Heaven drops down a bunt, especially that scores a run. Why? That is what he is good at. Now, flip side, take the guy who hasn't watched many games and the bunt is popped up. FIRE AVENT DONT BUNT THERE!!! That type of stuff is what I mean. The more baseball convos the better, but I think the negativity should be at a minimum if you are considered a casual fan. That is what I mean.

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James Henderson said:

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Cthepack said:

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Rob McLamb said:

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StateFan2001 said:

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James Henderson said:

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GoPack7623 said:

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Can someone point to the post where someone said a regular season conference title is more prestigious than a trip to Omaha?

Why is it so hard for people to understand that two things can be true? Obviously, Omaha is a bigger accomplishment, doesn't mean winning a regular season or conference tournament are unimportant.

Here is a thought. Win em all! Oh and don't tell everyone in an interview that you don't care about a conference title.

Doing so very much seems like a coping mechanism because your team choked away yet another chance at your first championship in nearly 30 years of coaching.

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Correct, as as competitor, strive to win every single title you can.

You can't compete for Omaha in March/April/May.

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I think what you are saying is true. I just think the discussion turned to how things are prioritized in baseball. For me, I would go
CWS title
Super Regional win
Regional Win
ACC Tournament champ
Reg season champ

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I agree with this. Others do not have to, but I do.

If I am NC State, or any other school, I take a Super Regionals appearance (no guarantee of a win there) over both types of conference titles. If my team is in Supers, it has a 50 percent chance of getting to Omaha. Sign me up for that every time.

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I would put winning the yearly series against UNC and Wake when we play them, above having the best record in the ACC. Especially with not every team playing each other.

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That's wild to me, but to each his own.

Do you feel the same way in basketball?

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StateFan2001 said:

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FLWolf said:

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This job is Hart's to lose

Recruits know it also

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Are you insinuating we are near to seeing EA retire. I doubt random 9th graders know the succession plan.

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PGAWolf said:

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But now who knows maybe you avoid an SEC 2 seed. Or maybe you get a good draw in the super regional pairings.

Maybe now you go to coastal as a 2 seed instead of hosting and getting Florida as your 2 seed. Maybe this weekend is the wake up call the team needed. Who knows.

*im not downplaying the importance of hosting. Obviously that is preferred. Just trying to be optimistic

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Nairo said:

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I'll feel 1000% better if we get McHugh back in the lineup and put Novy in for Ossenfort at DH. Novy gets on and has had great ABs

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CLTWolf said:

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Nairo said:

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I'll feel 1000% better if we get McHugh back in the lineup and put Novy in for Ossenfort at DH. Novy gets on and has had great ABs

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Ossenfort gets on and has had great ABs as well so I have confidence in either one.

Ozzie last weekend was 3-10 with 2 walks.
Novy last weekend was 5-11 with 1 walk.

You can play the matchups with them.

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pack2010 said:

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James Henderson said:

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SportManagementEngineer said:

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James Henderson said:

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kmb717 said:

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StateFan2001 said:

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There is no reason to go into a hatchet job on EA. EA has largely done a very nice job in his career at State. Are there some things where I feel he falls short - yes for sure. But all in all EA has had a very nice career at State. And I agree with the poster above, outside of pitching, this isn't a championship level roster this year.

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Very nice is a massive understatement. EA is an NC State legend and what he's done with this program the past 20+ years is nothing short of remarkable given the lack of investment he's received.

These last 2 games were all time clunkers no doubt. And the fact he hasn't won an ACC title, regular season or tourney, is nothing short of just a baseball fluke.

The EA slander from posters who watch 5 games a year is beyond comical. Ranked in the top 25 every year, make the postseason every year, 3 times to Omaha, and straight up robbed of a national title in one of the biggest injustices in sports history.

We should name the field after him whenever he decides to retire.

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I often wonder how we determine who watches 5 games a year.

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In this case, the baseball board has pretty much the same few posters every week whether its a game thread for a Tuesday against UNCW or a weekend conference series. As we get into May, a bunch of new faces show up to complain after State loses (usually in the ACC Tournament, but they came out a few days early this season).

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I think some just choose to post more in the threads when the games get even bigger.

I watch or listen to every single game that's available to listen to or watch, but I don't post in every in-game thread throughout the course of the season.

It's a forum, folks want to give their opinions on topics whether they posted earlier in the year or not. I just don't understand why how many games a person watches should matter. I bet there's a lot of fans/media watching a lot of games across sports who don't have a real clue about what they're watching.

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That's a weird take to me. Most of the fans complaining on X, here, there, anywhere, can't name 10 players on the team and it's because they don't watch. It's fair weather fandom. And yeah, personally, it is hard to listen to someone complain who didn't know who the Friday night pitcher was until 3 weeks ago.

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Alex Gee said:

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We have most of the year. I bet that happens

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James Henderson said:

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Cthepack said:

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James Henderson said:

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Cthepack said:

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Rob McLamb said:

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StateFan2001 said:

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James Henderson said:

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GoPack7623 said:

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Can someone point to the post where someone said a regular season conference title is more prestigious than a trip to Omaha?

Why is it so hard for people to understand that two things can be true? Obviously, Omaha is a bigger accomplishment, doesn't mean winning a regular season or conference tournament are unimportant.

Here is a thought. Win em all! Oh and don't tell everyone in an interview that you don't care about a conference title.

Doing so very much seems like a coping mechanism because your team choked away yet another chance at your first championship in nearly 30 years of coaching.

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Correct, as as competitor, strive to win every single title you can.

You can't compete for Omaha in March/April/May.

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I think what you are saying is true. I just think the discussion turned to how things are prioritized in baseball. For me, I would go
CWS title
Super Regional win
Regional Win
ACC Tournament champ
Reg season champ

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I agree with this. Others do not have to, but I do.

If I am NC State, or any other school, I take a Super Regionals appearance (no guarantee of a win there) over both types of conference titles. If my team is in Supers, it has a 50 percent chance of getting to Omaha. Sign me up for that every time.

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I would put winning the yearly series against UNC and Wake when we play them, above having the best record in the ACC. Especially with not every team playing each other.

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That's wild to me, but to each his own.

Do you feel the same way in basketball?

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Basketball may be worse. Not sure when a baseball power 5 conference best record team did not make the tourney. It has happened in basketball.

I can not remember ever seeing a conference regular season champion t shirt for baseball or basketball. See lots of t shirts for tournament champions.

I just do not view the regular season team with the best record as a champion. I feel this is something new and for arenas to put things on walls. Especially since we do not have a balanced schedule.

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Sure but I was more talking the comparison of the series vs. UNC/Wake and the bball conf. titles, not just the conf. titles.

I get why they don't recognize it that way because then all tourneys would be meaningless but I've always thought success over 3 months should outweigh whatever happens over 3 days.

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Cthepack said:

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James Henderson said:

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Cthepack said:

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James Henderson said:

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Cthepack said:

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Rob McLamb said:

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StateFan2001 said:

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James Henderson said:

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GoPack7623 said:

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Can someone point to the post where someone said a regular season conference title is more prestigious than a trip to Omaha?

Why is it so hard for people to understand that two things can be true? Obviously, Omaha is a bigger accomplishment, doesn't mean winning a regular season or conference tournament are unimportant.

Here is a thought. Win em all! Oh and don't tell everyone in an interview that you don't care about a conference title.

Doing so very much seems like a coping mechanism because your team choked away yet another chance at your first championship in nearly 30 years of coaching.

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Correct, as as competitor, strive to win every single title you can.

You can't compete for Omaha in March/April/May.

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I think what you are saying is true. I just think the discussion turned to how things are prioritized in baseball. For me, I would go
CWS title
Super Regional win
Regional Win
ACC Tournament champ
Reg season champ

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I agree with this. Others do not have to, but I do.

If I am NC State, or any other school, I take a Super Regionals appearance (no guarantee of a win there) over both types of conference titles. If my team is in Supers, it has a 50 percent chance of getting to Omaha. Sign me up for that every time.

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I would put winning the yearly series against UNC and Wake when we play them, above having the best record in the ACC. Especially with not every team playing each other.

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That's wild to me, but to each his own.

Do you feel the same way in basketball?

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Basketball may be worse. Not sure when a baseball power 5 conference best record team did not make the tourney. It has happened in basketball.

I can not remember ever seeing a conference regular season champion t shirt for baseball or basketball. See lots of t shirts for tournament champions.

I just do not view the regular season team with the best record as a champion. I feel this is something new and for arenas to put things on walls. Especially since we do not have a balanced schedule.

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Sure but I was more talking the comparison of the series vs. UNC/Wake and the bball conf. titles, not just the conf. titles.

I get why they don't recognize it that way because then all tourneys would be meaningless but I've always thought success over 3 months should outweigh whatever happens over 3 days.

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If you played everyone (and I could argue home and away) then maybe you have something. But thinking having the best regular season record is a real championship when you do not play every team is odd to me. The UNC and Wake series is about emotions, winning those series means much more to me than having the best record in an unbalanced regular season.

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pack2010 said:

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James Henderson said:

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pack2010 said:

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James Henderson said:

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pack2010 said:

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James Henderson said:

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SportManagementEngineer said:

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James Henderson said:

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kmb717 said:

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StateFan2001 said:

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There is no reason to go into a hatchet job on EA. EA has largely done a very nice job in his career at State. Are there some things where I feel he falls short - yes for sure. But all in all EA has had a very nice career at State. And I agree with the poster above, outside of pitching, this isn't a championship level roster this year.

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Very nice is a massive understatement. EA is an NC State legend and what he's done with this program the past 20+ years is nothing short of remarkable given the lack of investment he's received.

These last 2 games were all time clunkers no doubt. And the fact he hasn't won an ACC title, regular season or tourney, is nothing short of just a baseball fluke.

The EA slander from posters who watch 5 games a year is beyond comical. Ranked in the top 25 every year, make the postseason every year, 3 times to Omaha, and straight up robbed of a national title in one of the biggest injustices in sports history.

We should name the field after him whenever he decides to retire.

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I often wonder how we determine who watches 5 games a year.

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In this case, the baseball board has pretty much the same few posters every week whether its a game thread for a Tuesday against UNCW or a weekend conference series. As we get into May, a bunch of new faces show up to complain after State loses (usually in the ACC Tournament, but they came out a few days early this season).

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I think some just choose to post more in the threads when the games get even bigger.

I watch or listen to every single game that's available to listen to or watch, but I don't post in every in-game thread throughout the course of the season.

It's a forum, folks want to give their opinions on topics whether they posted earlier in the year or not. I just don't understand why how many games a person watches should matter. I bet there's a lot of fans/media watching a lot of games across sports who don't have a real clue about what they're watching.

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That's a weird take to me. Most of the fans complaining on X, here, there, anywhere, can't name 10 players on the team and it's because they don't watch. It's fair weather fandom. And yeah, personally, it is hard to listen to someone complain who didn't know who the Friday night pitcher was until 3 weeks ago.

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But a lot of fans "complain" who do watch almost every game. I find it funny though it's complaining when simply it's thinking you can do things differently to be even better.

I guess I just can't figure out which poster didn't know who the Friday night pitcher was until 3 weeks ago like others seem to be able to.

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i am not talking about particular posters, I mean people who complain in general and why it should matter how many games they watch (or even listen to).

The best way I can put it is this: I am not a hockey fan (don't come at me, playoff hockey is great). I will watch 4-5 Canes a season, mostly being in the postseason. Imagine after every loss I went on forums/X/etc and said "Wow why didn't coach leave #12 in?" "Dang I can't believe #10 lost that game for us!" "Sheesh the line changes for coach was horrible, that isn't okay!". IMO I would be in no right to go and complain if I have no idea the roster, or how they have played the entire season. THAT is why it matters how many games a season the fan watches.

If you want to be casual and enjoy the ride (like me and the Canes), do it. But don't become critical and complain when you don't know the basics of what you are watching.

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But can't you know the basics AND casually watch this team? I bet there are a lot of folks who know the game of baseball but maybe can't watch every single NC State baseball game.

To me it just comes off as "you disagree with me? Well, you don't know what you're talking about because I think you haven't watched as much as I have (whether it's true or not we really don't know)."

TBH, I'm like you with the Canes though. I don't watch or post.

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I have zero idea how you arrived at some of your points, because it is basically nothing about what I said. Yes, casual fans can and should engage in conversations about this team, and whatever other teams they choose. That is what makes forums/social media/etc great. I said that. Anyone who knows anything about baseball can question Heath Andrews throwing 92 down the middle on an 0-2 count, that is common sense.

What I said, and again I have no idea how you misconstrued it so badly, was if you are a casual NC State fan, you should keep the MOST of the criticism to yourself, especially when it comes to coaching decisions. Imagine if a casual fan watched Dudan throw the first couple games of the season? I am saying if you don't know the roster, you shouldn't criticize as openly and freely as many do.

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