James Henderson said:

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Cthepack said:

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James Henderson said:

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Cthepack said:

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James Henderson said:

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Rob McLamb said:

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StateFan2001 said:

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James Henderson said:

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GoPack7623 said:

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Can someone point to the post where someone said a regular season conference title is more prestigious than a trip to Omaha?

Why is it so hard for people to understand that two things can be true? Obviously, Omaha is a bigger accomplishment, doesn't mean winning a regular season or conference tournament are unimportant.

Here is a thought. Win em all! Oh and don't tell everyone in an interview that you don't care about a conference title.

Doing so very much seems like a coping mechanism because your team choked away yet another chance at your first championship in nearly 30 years of coaching.

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Correct, as as competitor, strive to win every single title you can.

You can't compete for Omaha in March/April/May.

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I think what you are saying is true. I just think the discussion turned to how things are prioritized in baseball. For me, I would go
CWS title
Super Regional win
Regional Win
ACC Tournament champ
Reg season champ

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I agree with this. Others do not have to, but I do.

If I am NC State, or any other school, I take a Super Regionals appearance (no guarantee of a win there) over both types of conference titles. If my team is in Supers, it has a 50 percent chance of getting to Omaha. Sign me up for that every time.

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I would put winning the yearly series against UNC and Wake when we play them, above having the best record in the ACC. Especially with not every team playing each other.

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That's wild to me, but to each his own.

Do you feel the same way in basketball?

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Basketball may be worse. Not sure when a baseball power 5 conference best record team did not make the tourney. It has happened in basketball.

I can not remember ever seeing a conference regular season champion t shirt for baseball or basketball. See lots of t shirts for tournament champions.

I just do not view the regular season team with the best record as a champion. I feel this is something new and for arenas to put things on walls. Especially since we do not have a balanced schedule.

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Sure but I was more talking the comparison of the series vs. UNC/Wake and the bball conf. titles, not just the conf. titles.

I get why they don't recognize it that way because then all tourneys would be meaningless but I've always thought success over 3 months should outweigh whatever happens over 3 days.

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If you played everyone (and I could argue home and away) then maybe you have something. But thinking having the best regular season record is a real championship when you do not play every team is odd to me. The UNC and Wake series is about emotions, winning those series means much more to me than having the best record in an unbalanced regular season.

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Do you play every team in the ACC Tournament? What about the NCAA Tournament or CWS?

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That's a disingenuous take. A tournament is a tournament and who you match up with is based on how you fared during the season. There are inherent advantages based on your in season performance which are earned. Random scheduling of the regular season where Team A doesn't play any of the Top 3 or 4 teams in the league is just that random and creates an imbalance that is based on nothing earned but obviously impacts wins and losses.

You can tell this is a slow sports news cycle time of year.

I highly doubt anyone would complain about the season if we won the regular season title and then lost in the regional. I don't understand why anyone would try to downplay WINNING THE ACC. It's absurd. Is it equal to Omaha? No. But why downplay one like it doesn't matter at all? Makes no sense to me.

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I highly doubt anyone would complain about the season if we won the regular season title and then lost in the regional. I don't understand why anyone would try to downplay WINNING THE ACC. It's absurd. Is it equal to Omaha? No. But why downplay one like it doesn't matter at all? Makes no sense to me.

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Because the fans are constantly moving the goalposts. How can you win the acc then lose in the regional?

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griff17matt said:

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I highly doubt anyone would complain about the season if we won the regular season title and then lost in the regional. I don't understand why anyone would try to downplay WINNING THE ACC. It's absurd. Is it equal to Omaha? No. But why downplay one like it doesn't matter at all? Makes no sense to me.

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Because the fans are constantly moving the goalposts. How can you win the acc then lose in the regional?

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Immediately afterwards? Probably so. 5 years down the road we're talking about the job Elliot did with this group that he won the freaking ACC title.

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This is a tremendous amount of discussion off of a statement from the coach that I took as just coachspeak "take em one game at a time" thing. I don't think any of us, nor anyone associated with NC State baseball would not be thrilled at winning a conference title, regular season or tournament. I personally think making Omaha is a bigger accomplishment, but I would be very happy to have an ACC title.

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Agreed, this is a complete mountain out of a molehill.

I don't expect coaches are sitting around calculating and updating odds of various paths of winning the regular season during the stretch run. That stuff IS for the fans. Coaches know though, they aren't in a bubble. And we can all be damn sure Avent and the rest of the staff knew, and wanted to finish first too.

We all wanted to win the regular season and it was quite possible right up until the last inning of the last game. That alone tells you how competitive this team has been.

Winning the regular season over a large sample size of games is in many ways more impressive than getting hot over three days and winning the tourney. But this team falling one game short of that goal in the regular season is effectively the exact same team as the one in the alternate universe that beat Stanford 6-3 in the final game to come in first in the regular season. It's a scrappy, quite good, somewhat streaky top-15/20 team that is totally competitive enough to win a title if we get some luck.

But I think it's also fair to acknowledge "winning the regular season" probably just isn't very high on the rank-ordered list of goals entering the season. "Stacking wins," "getting a high seed," "playing our best baseball at the end of the season," "making a postseason run," "winning the ACC tourney," "hosting," "winning a regional," "going to Omaha..." are all goals I'd expect to be listed by players and fans before "winning the regular season" escaped their lips.

James Henderson said:

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StateFan2001 said:

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James Henderson said:

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Cthepack said:

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James Henderson said:

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Cthepack said:

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James Henderson said:

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Cthepack said:

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Rob McLamb said:

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StateFan2001 said:

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James Henderson said:

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GoPack7623 said:

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Can someone point to the post where someone said a regular season conference title is more prestigious than a trip to Omaha?

Why is it so hard for people to understand that two things can be true? Obviously, Omaha is a bigger accomplishment, doesn't mean winning a regular season or conference tournament are unimportant.

Here is a thought. Win em all! Oh and don't tell everyone in an interview that you don't care about a conference title.

Doing so very much seems like a coping mechanism because your team choked away yet another chance at your first championship in nearly 30 years of coaching.

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Correct, as as competitor, strive to win every single title you can.

You can't compete for Omaha in March/April/May.

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I think what you are saying is true. I just think the discussion turned to how things are prioritized in baseball. For me, I would go
CWS title
Super Regional win
Regional Win
ACC Tournament champ
Reg season champ

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I agree with this. Others do not have to, but I do.

If I am NC State, or any other school, I take a Super Regionals appearance (no guarantee of a win there) over both types of conference titles. If my team is in Supers, it has a 50 percent chance of getting to Omaha. Sign me up for that every time.

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I would put winning the yearly series against UNC and Wake when we play them, above having the best record in the ACC. Especially with not every team playing each other.

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That's wild to me, but to each his own.

Do you feel the same way in basketball?

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Basketball may be worse. Not sure when a baseball power 5 conference best record team did not make the tourney. It has happened in basketball.

I can not remember ever seeing a conference regular season champion t shirt for baseball or basketball. See lots of t shirts for tournament champions.

I just do not view the regular season team with the best record as a champion. I feel this is something new and for arenas to put things on walls. Especially since we do not have a balanced schedule.

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Sure but I was more talking the comparison of the series vs. UNC/Wake and the bball conf. titles, not just the conf. titles.

I get why they don't recognize it that way because then all tourneys would be meaningless but I've always thought success over 3 months should outweigh whatever happens over 3 days.

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If you played everyone (and I could argue home and away) then maybe you have something. But thinking having the best regular season record is a real championship when you do not play every team is odd to me. The UNC and Wake series is about emotions, winning those series means much more to me than having the best record in an unbalanced regular season.

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Do you play every team in the ACC Tournament? What about the NCAA Tournament or CWS?

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That's a disingenuous take. A tournament is a tournament and who you match up with is based on how you fared during the season. There are inherent advantages based on your in season performance which are earned. Random scheduling of the regular season where Team A doesn't play any of the Top 3 or 4 teams in the league is just that random and creates an imbalance that is based on nothing earned but obviously impacts wins and losses.

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Not really. You just don't play everyone in a tournament setting and also rely often on other teams knocking out potentially better teams to help you out.

Again, I think all titles should count and be valued. Like I said above, if you don't make the tourney champ the tourney champ then no one would give a **** about the conf. tourney, I get it.

But to think what happens over a weekend should outweigh 3 months is wild.

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If it is so important, why not play everyone in the conference, home and away in the regular season? That leaves the basic arguments out.

James it is my opinion. And was not driven based on what EA said. I have said it numerous times in basketball. The better regular season you have the better seeding in tournaments you get. So it is important but to me it is new. I cannot remember ever making a big deal of having the best record in the league.

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griff17matt said:

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I highly doubt anyone would complain about the season if we won the regular season title and then lost in the regional. I don't understand why anyone would try to downplay WINNING THE ACC. It's absurd. Is it equal to Omaha? No. But why downplay one like it doesn't matter at all? Makes no sense to me.

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Brother, you've been around here long enough to know there is a 100% chance people would complain about that scenario. Postseason choke, how do you win the regular season and flame out in the regional, Avent can't get over the hump even with his best regular season finish...it would be nonstop from some folks around here.

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We were just in Omaha last year and I think everyone knows this is not a dominant team. If we were loaded with all guns firing and had DSmith and Dudan locking things down all season that would be one thing. Taking a team that is like 50-8 and then losing in the Regional yeah people would call that a choke...a pretty normal good team that squeaked out the ACC Title in the last weekend no

Like look the reality is with Avent's runs the last few years and the state of our finances and college baseball being what it is he was going to have to **** up pretty bad to not go out on his own terms.

Talking like Sendek is how you start to **** up pretty bad. If he goes out with a whimper like Sendek would then you might be on the path to thin ice. I mean he's lost in the Regional way more times than he's advanced - if he does that again, what do you have then? Nothing. Maybe try do something "for the fans" because if you have no fans then you have no ****ing job