Pack 9 32-16 (16-9) at UNC-CH 37-11 (16-10) GM 1 L 8-1, GM 2 W 8-5 GM 3 Cancelled

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matracey
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Mandras said:

I understand that point. I think it's reasonable to think our rpi drops to 28 to 30 with 2 of 3 vs Stanford, but I acknowledge anything can happen...

Bet we weren't expecting to lose 2 Q1 wins tonight since Ville lost 80 rpi points tonight


Stanford is 55 in the RPI. Not great but not some RPI killer either. I don't see where you're getting winning the series 2/3 drops us potentially 5 spots? That's just not consistent with other RPI moves we've seen against similar competition

2/3 will likely keep us in the 24-26 range depending on what other teams do and a sweep will move us up a couple spots.
Mandras
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Two reasons; partially because we're at home and each win will only be +20 rpi points, while each loss will be closer to -40 to -45 points.

The other (main reason) is because 25 to 32 is separated by only 43 RPI points, while 25 to 21 is separated by 94 rpi points.

It's tight in there between 25 to 32, and other teams have much more opportunity to gain ground if they're on the road (like Wake) or playing Q1 teams (Duke), for example.

Even with a sweep, we can't even catch DBU (in a vacuum, of course) who is 90+ points ahead of us. (In reality, we may get there to 21 or 22, just wouldn't favor it.)
matracey
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Mandras said:

Two reasons; partially because we're at home and each win will only be +20 rpi points, while each loss will be closer to -40 to -45 points.

The other (main reason) is because 25 to 32 is separated by only 43 RPI points, while 25 to 21 is separated by 94 rpi points.

It's tight in there between 25 to 32, and other teams have much more opportunity to gain ground if they're on the road (like Wake) or playing Q1 teams (Duke), for example.

Even with a sweep, we can't even catch DBU (in a vacuum, of course) who is 90+ points ahead of us. (In reality, we may get there to 21 or 22, just wouldn't favor it.)


Where do you see the +20 win/-45 loss? Don't think we know that yet.

Besides even using that math worst case winning 2/3 would be net -5 points. That doesn't even move us down one spot currently.
Mandras
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I'm just using the ECU game (when they were 74 in the rpi and weather canceled) as reference. That was +17/-54 when we were near 40.. So I'm just assuming it'll be +20/-45 this time for #55 rpi, when we are #25. Think it's reasonable.

To your second point, that's where warrennolan.com and I guess other teams will move up (since its all so close and other teams have much higher rpi ceilings for the weekend).
matracey
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Mandras said:

I'm just using the ECU game (when they were 74 in the rpi and weather canceled) as reference. That was +17/-54 when we were near 40.. So I'm just assuming it'll be +20/-45 this time for #55 rpi, when we are #25. Think it's reasonable.

To your second point, that's where warrennolan.com and I guess other teams will move up (since its all so close and other teams have much higher rpi ceilings for the weekend).


Having a higher RPI ceiling doesn't mean anything if you don't win the games. Sure if all the teams that are 26-32 sweep their series and we only win 2/3 then I could see us dropping a couple spots.

It's been said before Warren Nolan predictions are not reliable. It predicts Wake to lose 2/3 vs Louisville and move up 6 spots. It predicts Southern Miss to lose 2/3 vs Troy and move up 3 spots. It predicts Miami to get swept at home vs Notre Dame. It predicts Kansas to lose 2/3 vs WVU and move up 5 spots. It predicts Cincy to lose 2/3 vs Kansas State at home and move up a spot and Kansas State to drop 4 spots. It's predicting us to sweep Stanford and drop one spot. Math ain't mathing on those.

Regardless I don't think the RPI is going to matter if we win 2/3 vs Stanford because at that point the rest of the resume will be hard to ignore. We could potentially win the ACC regular season with 2/3 which will be no question a host. If we win 2/3 but don't win the ACC we will still finish 2nd or 3rd with only two series losses on the year both on the road to a top 25 team and another top 30 RPI team plus a sweep and series split vs (at the time) two top 5 teams

Edited: Since I wrote the original post 30 minutes ago now Warren Nolan predicts us to only 2/3 vs Stanford and drop 3 spots lol. Just another example you can't use the predictions because it's literally changing by the minute with no new data.
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You have a really good chance to win the ACC regular season. Focus on that and hosting will take care of itself.

Hard to imagine the ACC regular season champ not hosting.
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Way too much gnashing of teeth over a flawed metric like RPI.

Win games. Win series.
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Mandras
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matracey said:


Having a higher RPI ceiling doesn't mean anything if you don't win the games. Sure if all the teams that are 26-32 sweep their series and we only win 2/3 then I could see us dropping a couple spots.

It's been said before Warren Nolan predictions are not reliable. It predicts Wake to lose 2/3 vs Louisville and move up 6 spots.

Edited: Since I wrote the original post 30 minutes ago now Warren Nolan predicts us to only 2/3 vs Stanford and drop 3 spots lol. Just another example you can't use the predictions because it's literally changing by the minute with no new data.


To your larger point about going 7-2-1 in acc series, finishing 2nd in the acc at 18-10, with 2 great series wins, i hope you are correct.

It's very plausible that RPI is still king in the traditional committee mindset (i.e. look at 11point7 latest field projections, very rpi- leaning). If it's not, and the hosts look more like D1s latest projection, I will be elated.

Re: the portions I quoted above, a lot of it doesn't make sense, as you said (no way Miami is losing 3 to nd). However wake only winning 1 AT Louisville and moving up 6 spots isn't far fetched (I'm not saying it will DEFINITELY happen or anything). It's just that the math works out if the prediction actually comes true.

e.g. we got +43 points for beating unc once last week, and losing to them was -4. Wake might get +33 for winning at ville, and then -6 points each time they lose to them. That's still a net of +21 (all just estimates). Considering they are only 37 points behind us, they could move up 3 or 4 spots with the +21 weekend (maybe 6 is a little(?) outlandish.)

Anyway ill digress on this topic. I just find Warrennolan useful for speculating how our metrics may look IF things come to fruition, because i am a math nerd.

Let's win the first 2 versus Stanford and dare the committee leave the acc 2nd place team in the short end of the stick in favor of an archaic metric like RPI...
Alex Gee
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Plenty of respect to anyone that spends their time trying to grow college baseball, but at this point last year those guys had us as the 2 seed at #6 nationally seeded ECU.

Clemson won't host over us. I think 3 ACC teams makes sense and we have the clear edge over Clemson. Now if GT sweeps Duke and runs to the ACC title game while we stumble, different story, I think.

I just think the math is so simple. Score 8 runs each game this weekend and win comfortably because these cats can't pitch. Regular season title - undeniable. That then gives you the opportunity to stack up 3 more Q1 wins in Durham and I'm taking us against just about anybody in that scenario. State will face no teams number 1 starter
Mandras
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Haha fair point on 11point7!

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So all 4 field of 64 projections (d1, BA, 11point7, on3) agree on 13 of the 16 hosts.

7 SEC, 2 ACC, Oregon state, Oregon, UCLA, coastal

The hosts chosen that are not unanimous:

D1: TCU (13) NC State (15) WVU (16)
BA: Clemson (14) TCU (15) Tennessee (16)
11point7: Clemson (13) WVU (15) Florida (16)
On3: Clemson (14) Tennessee (15) Irvine (16)

Us only being listed on 1 of the 4 projections is a bit concerning (albeit d1 is the "best")....

Let's sweep and win the acc and i agreewith everyone that is enough (otherwise we may need to get to the final in Durham?).
Mandras
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I 100% agree that Clemson SHOULDN'T host over us btw...

Just annoying 3 of the 4 "reputable" sites have that.
JCooke93
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Did I tell you how much I love UNC this weekend
Alex Gee
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Yeah, I just really think there is one reputable site lol.
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Yep
Mandras
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Careful what you wish for...
matracey
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Mandras said:

Haha fair point on 11point7!

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So all 4 field of 64 projections (d1, BA, 11point7, on3) agree on 13 of the 16 hosts.

7 SEC, 2 ACC, Oregon state, Oregon, UCLA, coastal

The hosts chosen that are not unanimous:

D1: TCU (13) NC State (15) WVU (16)
BA: Clemson (14) TCU (15) Tennessee (16)
11point7: Clemson (13) WVU (15) Florida (16)
On3: Clemson (14) Tennessee (15) Irvine (16)

Us only being listed on 1 of the 4 projections is a bit concerning (albeit d1 is the "best")....

Let's sweep and win the acc and i agreewith everyone that is enough (otherwise we may need to get to the final in Durham?).
I don't see Tennessee as a host right now unless they win their last series at Arkansas which is unlikely. 4-5 in SEC series (likely to be 4-6) and they haven't won a series in over a month. Best series win is either Florida or Alabama who are both fringe host teams as well. They played no one in the non-conference. 216 NCSOS

Florida vs Alabama series winner this weekend likely gets the 7th SEC host spot. Maybe Tennessee (at Arkansas) or Ole Miss (vs Auburn) gets an 8th SEC host if either pull off upsets this weekend.
Mandras
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Mandras said:

Any loss to Stanford will result in the net rpi effect being cumulatively negative for nc state next weekend.

Expect our Warren Nolan impact game score to look something like:

+18 with a win
-45 with a loss

(Just an estimate. We were +17 vs. -54 for that ecu home game which ended up canceled).

That means if we go 2-1 this week, rpi will be ~28 to 30... not great


It is worse than I even guesstimated...

RPI can't take a loss this weekend. Let's sweep!




matracey
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Sheesh that's crazy. Stanford is not on the level of these mid major midweek games.

This evening looks iffy with thunderstorms. Wouldn't be the worst thing in the world to only play 2 games

Alex Gee
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We jump Northeastern by showing up to the stadium.

I know it's something to talk about, but just let the games happen lol. There's so much tied into it that it legitimately is impossible to predict. Someone is going to lose something crazy, someone is going to win, someone is going to cancel.
 
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