NCAA CWS #RoadtoOmaha Pack9 vs Kentucky Sat 1 PM (L5-4) Mon 1 PM CDT (L5-4)

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Dudan also had just gone pop out, strike out, pop out with both pop outs traveling a grand total of about 60 feet.

I just don't think hyperanalyzing that decision is worth it.


But is it hyper analyzing to say "use your season long closer to close G1 at WCS?"


He's not your season long closer. For the entire year in game 1s we have gone Highfill, SVD/Coop, Dudan.

Smith has traditionally thrown game 2s and 3s if necessary


Against Clem, UNC, and FSU three pretty big FRI night games, Smith pitched the 9th in all of them. Granted, against UNC, he got the hold and win since we got the walk off. Late in the season (VT in ACC, Bryant, and UGA, the G1s did it have save opportunities

All that said, I do agree pitching did not lose this game. Its college BB against a really good team, go score some runs
I don't think this game was viewed as a potentially high-scoring game given the way both of these teams profile in that ballpark, but definitely, score more runs.

Agree on Smith, he did go in all 3 of those series game #1.


I get it, but even in the 8th when we got the lead a clutch hit to get a second run would have been huge.
Oh, I agree; it was just one of those games where that extra hit wasn't coming from the bottom of the lineup.

Glad Pennington was able to score on the WP.


This comment literally makes no sense. "One of those games where the extra hit wasn't coming from the bottom of the lineup"? What's that even mean? Beyond the bottom of the line up winning multiple games for us this season… Heavner barreled multiple balls today just right at people. Soles i think had our best day at the plate for average til he was removed for precaution. Luke had a tough day but i think even he barreled one once but at someone. After the last 2 months i don't know how you watch one of our games and say…hits not coming out of this spot. I literally feel like every part of our lineup can contribute. Cause they all have.

Soles in particular is hot. Ledford represent


Soles was out of game at that point IIRC.

I took the comment as more of a generalization. For yesterday specifically it did work out that way with some missed opportunities
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It's not coaching or pitching. It's our inability to get hits with RISP. That has been a problem for us for a while, and it came back to bite us.

We move on.
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Wolfer79 said:

final from game 4
Texas A&M 3
Florida 2
Florida plays NC State Monday at 2pm (EDT) in elimination game


What is UFs pitching situation for tomorrow
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I would guess Caglione will start against us. They threw Peterson 64 pitches, Jameson 52 pitches, and brought in Neely (closer) late to throw 23.
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I wish we would start Whitaker but I bet they stick to the schedule and start Dom which he hasn't been as sharp lately
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CloudPack said:

James Henderson said:

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James Henderson said:

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Dudan also had just gone pop out, strike out, pop out with both pop outs traveling a grand total of about 60 feet.

I just don't think hyperanalyzing that decision is worth it.


But is it hyper analyzing to say "use your season long closer to close G1 at WCS?"


He's not your season long closer. For the entire year in game 1s we have gone Highfill, SVD/Coop, Dudan.

Smith has traditionally thrown game 2s and 3s if necessary


Against Clem, UNC, and FSU three pretty big FRI night games, Smith pitched the 9th in all of them. Granted, against UNC, he got the hold and win since we got the walk off. Late in the season (VT in ACC, Bryant, and UGA, the G1s did it have save opportunities

All that said, I do agree pitching did not lose this game. Its college BB against a really good team, go score some runs
I don't think this game was viewed as a potentially high-scoring game given the way both of these teams profile in that ballpark, but definitely, score more runs.

Agree on Smith, he did go in all 3 of those series game #1.


I get it, but even in the 8th when we got the lead a clutch hit to get a second run would have been huge.
Oh, I agree; it was just one of those games where that extra hit wasn't coming from the bottom of the lineup.

Glad Pennington was able to score on the WP.


This comment literally makes no sense. "One of those games where the extra hit wasn't coming from the bottom of the lineup"? What's that even mean? Beyond the bottom of the line up winning multiple games for us this season… Heavner barreled multiple balls today just right at people. Soles i think had our best day at the plate for average til he was removed for precaution. Luke had a tough day but i think even he barreled one once but at someone. After the last 2 months i don't know how you watch one of our games and say…hits not coming out of this spot. I literally feel like every part of our lineup can contribute. Cause they all have.

Soles in particular is hot. Ledford represent


Soles was out of game at that point IIRC.

I took the comment as more of a generalization. For yesterday specifically it did work out that way with some missed opportunities
Yes, definitely throughout the year the bottom came up with some timely hits, but yesterday it was top-heavy. I think bottom was 1-15 without Soles (Butterworth down).
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James Henderson said:

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Right all that small ball worked out well for UK in 8th.

Runner on 2nd no outs and bunted!


They failed to execute. That's very different from a strategic decision of why we could possibly want to put runners on 2nd and 3rd with one out.


Why would you want to waste one of your best hitters to try and put runners on 2nd and 3rd with an out when you are already down 2 runs in the 5th inning?

Cozart had States only RbI at that point as well. Loved Coachs decision to not bunt there.

You are right though execution is always a part of it. We assume Cozart would have executed the bunt there. Who knows? (See Kentucky example).


James you asked "why bunt?" Plenty of good reasons to bunt. I'm team almost never bunt and I'm fine with letting Cozart swing there but I can see where a bunt could have been beneficial especially in a game when you have been struggling at hitting with RISP and knowing now that he hit into a double play.

You can take the argument you're making here and apply it to the Dudan/Smith decision. Dudan has been really good this year and closed out multiple games. It's not like we had Jacob Halford (no offense of course) on the mound and left him in for the 9th. We assume Smith would have gotten 3 outs no problem there. Who knows?
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Slobbering_Wolf said:

I wish we would start Whitaker but I bet they stick to the schedule and start Dom which he hasn't been as sharp lately
Yup. I'd start Whitaker for sure the way the two are going lately.

Also, I'd feel so bad for Whit if we start Dom and lose and Whit never gets to pitch in Omaha.
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matracey said:

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Right all that small ball worked out well for UK in 8th.

Runner on 2nd no outs and bunted!


They failed to execute. That's very different from a strategic decision of why we could possibly want to put runners on 2nd and 3rd with one out.


Why would you want to waste one of your best hitters to try and put runners on 2nd and 3rd with an out when you are already down 2 runs in the 5th inning?

Cozart had States only RbI at that point as well. Loved Coachs decision to not bunt there.

You are right though execution is always a part of it. We assume Cozart would have executed the bunt there. Who knows? (See Kentucky example).


James you asked "why bunt?" Plenty of good reasons to bunt. I'm team almost never bunt and I'm fine with letting Cozart swing there but I can see where a bunt could have been beneficial especially in a game when you have been struggling at hitting with RISP and knowing now that he hit into a double play.

You can take the argument you're making here and apply it to the Dudan/Smith decision. Dudan has been really good this year and closed out multiple games. It's not like we had Jacob Halford (no offense of course) on the mound and left him in for the 9th. We assume Smith would have gotten 3 outs no problem there. Who knows?
Thta's why I don't care about the end result. I do what I'd do regardless of the result. It's why I don't look back on the Cozart double play and say "I can see bunting there." I still wouldn't see bunting there.

Smith has been better than Dudan. yes, Dudan has been really good, Smith has been better. If someone can find stats out there to suggest otherwise, please share them with me. So I'm going with my best guy, especially if that's already been his role, and I'll live with the result (even if Smith doesn't get the 3 outs).

I'm kind of surprised others don't view it that way, but yes, I agree, Dudan could have got 3 outs and he's done it before too.
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James Henderson said:

matracey said:

James Henderson said:

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Right all that small ball worked out well for UK in 8th.

Runner on 2nd no outs and bunted!


They failed to execute. That's very different from a strategic decision of why we could possibly want to put runners on 2nd and 3rd with one out.


Why would you want to waste one of your best hitters to try and put runners on 2nd and 3rd with an out when you are already down 2 runs in the 5th inning?

Cozart had States only RbI at that point as well. Loved Coachs decision to not bunt there.

You are right though execution is always a part of it. We assume Cozart would have executed the bunt there. Who knows? (See Kentucky example).


James you asked "why bunt?" Plenty of good reasons to bunt. I'm team almost never bunt and I'm fine with letting Cozart swing there but I can see where a bunt could have been beneficial especially in a game when you have been struggling at hitting with RISP and knowing now that he hit into a double play.

You can take the argument you're making here and apply it to the Dudan/Smith decision. Dudan has been really good this year and closed out multiple games. It's not like we had Jacob Halford (no offense of course) on the mound and left him in for the 9th. We assume Smith would have gotten 3 outs no problem there. Who knows?
Thta's why I don't care about the end result. I do what I'd do regardless of the result. It's why I don't look back on the Cozart double play and say "I can see bunting there." I still wouldn't see bunting there.

Smith has been better than Dudan. yes, Dudan has been really good, Smith has been better. If someone can find stats out there to suggest otherwise, please share them with me. So I'm going with my best guy, especially if that's already been his role, and I'll live with the result (even if Smith doesn't get the 3 outs).

I'm kind of surprised others don't view it that way, but yes, I agree, Dudan could have got 3 outs and he's done it before too.


I don't care about the end result either. That's why I'm fine with Cozart swinging there and letting Dudan go back out for the 9th. My choices in those situations would also be to let Cozart swing but also probably put Smith in while also being able to acknowledge that the alternate option may have also yielded a better result
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Staff has to work hard to keep Cozart (NIL) and it wasn't for him to lay down bunts with runners on, especially with Butterworth and company behind him.

Those guys in the back half of the lineup have had their moments and some huge hits, but we all know there is a drop after Cozart.
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Staff has to work hard to keep Cozart (NIL) and it wasn't for him to lay down bunts with runners on, especially with Butterworth and company behind him.

Those guys in the back half of the lineup have had their moments and some huge hits, but we all know there is a drop after Cozart.
Yep.

Hogue injury hurt, especially with Sosa bouncing back. Lineup a lot more formidable with Hogue in it IMO, but is what it is.
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matracey said:

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matracey said:

James Henderson said:

matracey said:

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Right all that small ball worked out well for UK in 8th.

Runner on 2nd no outs and bunted!


They failed to execute. That's very different from a strategic decision of why we could possibly want to put runners on 2nd and 3rd with one out.


Why would you want to waste one of your best hitters to try and put runners on 2nd and 3rd with an out when you are already down 2 runs in the 5th inning?

Cozart had States only RbI at that point as well. Loved Coachs decision to not bunt there.

You are right though execution is always a part of it. We assume Cozart would have executed the bunt there. Who knows? (See Kentucky example).


James you asked "why bunt?" Plenty of good reasons to bunt. I'm team almost never bunt and I'm fine with letting Cozart swing there but I can see where a bunt could have been beneficial especially in a game when you have been struggling at hitting with RISP and knowing now that he hit into a double play.

You can take the argument you're making here and apply it to the Dudan/Smith decision. Dudan has been really good this year and closed out multiple games. It's not like we had Jacob Halford (no offense of course) on the mound and left him in for the 9th. We assume Smith would have gotten 3 outs no problem there. Who knows?
Thta's why I don't care about the end result. I do what I'd do regardless of the result. It's why I don't look back on the Cozart double play and say "I can see bunting there." I still wouldn't see bunting there.

Smith has been better than Dudan. yes, Dudan has been really good, Smith has been better. If someone can find stats out there to suggest otherwise, please share them with me. So I'm going with my best guy, especially if that's already been his role, and I'll live with the result (even if Smith doesn't get the 3 outs).

I'm kind of surprised others don't view it that way, but yes, I agree, Dudan could have got 3 outs and he's done it before too.


I don't care about the end result either. That's why I'm fine with Cozart swinging there and letting Dudan go back out for the 9th. My choices in those situations would also be to let Cozart swing but also probably put Smith in while also being able to acknowledge that the alternate option may have also yielded a better result
Yep as a coach it's your job to make the best decision/call based on the info you have at the time, after that it's on the players to make plays.

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ThomasEvans said:

Staff has to work hard to keep Cozart (NIL) and it wasn't for him to lay down bunts with runners on, especially with Butterworth and company behind him.

Those guys in the back half of the lineup have had their moments and some huge hits, but we all know there is a drop after Cozart.
Keep Cozart how? Like come back next year?

Kid is about to be a top 2-3 rounds pick getting a signing bonus north of $700 depending on where he's selected. Probably closer to a mil.
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Never forget the last time we played the Gators. Gainesville Regional in 2012. Rodon on the mound. Long rain delay. Hot and muggy after the game resumed. Ump just seemed to want to go home. We lost 9-8 in 10 innings. IIRC, This was was strike 3 that ended the game.
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I think Thomas meant "had". Giglio said in his podcast that UVA (IIRC) came hard after him in the offseason and Avent had to call in the big gun to help keep him.
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James Henderson said:

CloudPack said:

James Henderson said:

CloudPack said:

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James Henderson said:

Packchem91 said:

James Henderson said:

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Alex Gee said:

Dudan also had just gone pop out, strike out, pop out with both pop outs traveling a grand total of about 60 feet.

I just don't think hyperanalyzing that decision is worth it.


But is it hyper analyzing to say "use your season long closer to close G1 at WCS?"


He's not your season long closer. For the entire year in game 1s we have gone Highfill, SVD/Coop, Dudan.

Smith has traditionally thrown game 2s and 3s if necessary


Against Clem, UNC, and FSU three pretty big FRI night games, Smith pitched the 9th in all of them. Granted, against UNC, he got the hold and win since we got the walk off. Late in the season (VT in ACC, Bryant, and UGA, the G1s did it have save opportunities

All that said, I do agree pitching did not lose this game. Its college BB against a really good team, go score some runs
I don't think this game was viewed as a potentially high-scoring game given the way both of these teams profile in that ballpark, but definitely, score more runs.

Agree on Smith, he did go in all 3 of those series game #1.


I get it, but even in the 8th when we got the lead a clutch hit to get a second run would have been huge.
Oh, I agree; it was just one of those games where that extra hit wasn't coming from the bottom of the lineup.

Glad Pennington was able to score on the WP.


This comment literally makes no sense. "One of those games where the extra hit wasn't coming from the bottom of the lineup"? What's that even mean? Beyond the bottom of the line up winning multiple games for us this season… Heavner barreled multiple balls today just right at people. Soles i think had our best day at the plate for average til he was removed for precaution. Luke had a tough day but i think even he barreled one once but at someone. After the last 2 months i don't know how you watch one of our games and say…hits not coming out of this spot. I literally feel like every part of our lineup can contribute. Cause they all have.

Soles in particular is hot. Ledford represent


Soles was out of game at that point IIRC.

I took the comment as more of a generalization. For yesterday specifically it did work out that way with some missed opportunities
Yes, definitely throughout the year the bottom came up with some timely hits, but yesterday it was top-heavy. I think bottom was 1-15 without Soles (Butterworth down).
3 hits. Heavener had one (hit first AB) and Noah had 2.

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metcalfmafia said:

I think Thomas meant "had". Giglio said in his podcast that UVA (IIRC) came hard after him in the offseason and Avent had to call in the big gun to help keep him.
ok, that makes much more sense. haha

my bad!
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CLTWolf said:

James Henderson said:

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James Henderson said:

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Alex Gee said:

Dudan also had just gone pop out, strike out, pop out with both pop outs traveling a grand total of about 60 feet.

I just don't think hyperanalyzing that decision is worth it.


But is it hyper analyzing to say "use your season long closer to close G1 at WCS?"


He's not your season long closer. For the entire year in game 1s we have gone Highfill, SVD/Coop, Dudan.

Smith has traditionally thrown game 2s and 3s if necessary


Against Clem, UNC, and FSU three pretty big FRI night games, Smith pitched the 9th in all of them. Granted, against UNC, he got the hold and win since we got the walk off. Late in the season (VT in ACC, Bryant, and UGA, the G1s did it have save opportunities

All that said, I do agree pitching did not lose this game. Its college BB against a really good team, go score some runs
I don't think this game was viewed as a potentially high-scoring game given the way both of these teams profile in that ballpark, but definitely, score more runs.

Agree on Smith, he did go in all 3 of those series game #1.


I get it, but even in the 8th when we got the lead a clutch hit to get a second run would have been huge.
Oh, I agree; it was just one of those games where that extra hit wasn't coming from the bottom of the lineup.

Glad Pennington was able to score on the WP.


This comment literally makes no sense. "One of those games where the extra hit wasn't coming from the bottom of the lineup"? What's that even mean? Beyond the bottom of the line up winning multiple games for us this season… Heavner barreled multiple balls today just right at people. Soles i think had our best day at the plate for average til he was removed for precaution. Luke had a tough day but i think even he barreled one once but at someone. After the last 2 months i don't know how you watch one of our games and say…hits not coming out of this spot. I literally feel like every part of our lineup can contribute. Cause they all have.

Soles in particular is hot. Ledford represent


Soles was out of game at that point IIRC.

I took the comment as more of a generalization. For yesterday specifically it did work out that way with some missed opportunities
Yes, definitely throughout the year the bottom came up with some timely hits, but yesterday it was top-heavy. I think bottom was 1-15 without Soles (Butterworth down).
3 hits. Heavener had one (hit first AB) and Noah had 2.


Right, I was saying 1-15 without Soles (scenario above I think he had already been pulled and Shaff was due up but they went with Nixon at plate).
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Werewolf said:

We can agree on that. Chow.
Time to eat?
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AM or Kentucky have to win 3 straight or 4 of 5 to move on.

We have to win 4 straight.

While it's an advantage, it's not insurmountable. Go handle business. If Kentucky is the second best team we are more than capable.
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James Henderson said:

FLWolf said:

For those that say we don't use Smith on Fridays, this is not a three day weekend. It is managed totally different. We are off today win or lose vs KY. How things were managed during the season really doesn't matter.

Personally, I think you bring Smith in to close in the 9th. Maybe EA preferred Duden vs that part of the line-up?? Who knows but how he managed a 3 game weekend should have no bearing on Friday's strategy.


Imo it's a simple question. You need 3 outs in ninth inning and you have your full bullpen available. Who is your best guy? The answer to that question should have been on the mound. Monday was irrelevant at that point bc anybody you threw would have still been good on Monday.

So you can answer that ? With whoever you want.


I don't think State necessarily thinks Smith is a better bullpen option than Dudan. I think that showed in staying with him there to start the 9th.
Dudan best pitch is his slider. Why are we going fb away in that situation to a LH. If anything bust 97 on his hands. Then with Smith in the 10th, can we at least show a fb up and then come back with the slider. The guy was sitting on slider get him off of it a little bit by showing a 93 fb and then come back to it.
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StateFan2001 said:

James Henderson said:

FLWolf said:

For those that say we don't use Smith on Fridays, this is not a three day weekend. It is managed totally different. We are off today win or lose vs KY. How things were managed during the season really doesn't matter.

Personally, I think you bring Smith in to close in the 9th. Maybe EA preferred Duden vs that part of the line-up?? Who knows but how he managed a 3 game weekend should have no bearing on Friday's strategy.


Imo it's a simple question. You need 3 outs in ninth inning and you have your full bullpen available. Who is your best guy? The answer to that question should have been on the mound. Monday was irrelevant at that point bc anybody you threw would have still been good on Monday.

So you can answer that ? With whoever you want.


I don't think State necessarily thinks Smith is a better bullpen option than Dudan. I think that showed in staying with him there to start the 9th.
Dudan best pitch is his slider. Why are we going fb away in that situation to a LH. If anything bust 97 on his hands. Then with Smith in the 10th, can we at least show a fb up and then come back with the slider. The guy was sitting on slider get him off of it a little bit by showing a 93 fb and then come back to it.
No I think at times this year they've stayed with guys probably longer than needed and for no real reason. Sometimes it works out, sometimes you eventually pull the guy and go with someone else.

I'm not a fan of bringing a bullpen arm in, in trouble, when you really don't need to.

When you factor in the #s (opp. BA, Ks, Walks, runs allowed, etc...) and view Dudan a better option than Smith, we'll just have to disagree.
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James Henderson said:

StateFan2001 said:

James Henderson said:

FLWolf said:

For those that say we don't use Smith on Fridays, this is not a three day weekend. It is managed totally different. We are off today win or lose vs KY. How things were managed during the season really doesn't matter.

Personally, I think you bring Smith in to close in the 9th. Maybe EA preferred Duden vs that part of the line-up?? Who knows but how he managed a 3 game weekend should have no bearing on Friday's strategy.


Imo it's a simple question. You need 3 outs in ninth inning and you have your full bullpen available. Who is your best guy? The answer to that question should have been on the mound. Monday was irrelevant at that point bc anybody you threw would have still been good on Monday.

So you can answer that ? With whoever you want.


I don't think State necessarily thinks Smith is a better bullpen option than Dudan. I think that showed in staying with him there to start the 9th.
Dudan best pitch is his slider. Why are we going fb away in that situation to a LH. If anything bust 97 on his hands. Then with Smith in the 10th, can we at least show a fb up and then come back with the slider. The guy was sitting on slider get him off of it a little bit by showing a 93 fb and then come back to it.
No I think at times this year they've stayed with guys probably longer than needed and for no real reason. Sometimes it works out, sometimes you eventually pull the guy and go with someone else.

I'm not a fan of bringing a bullpen arm in, in trouble, when you really don't need to.

When you factor in the #s (opp. BA, Ks, Walks, runs allowed, etc...) and view Dudan a better option than Smith, we'll just have to disagree.

I think they are both really good and both can close a game. Again my issue was pitch calling much more than who was in the game. Some questionable stuff down the stretch there with setting up hitters.
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StateFan2001 said:

James Henderson said:

FLWolf said:

For those that say we don't use Smith on Fridays, this is not a three day weekend. It is managed totally different. We are off today win or lose vs KY. How things were managed during the season really doesn't matter.

Personally, I think you bring Smith in to close in the 9th. Maybe EA preferred Duden vs that part of the line-up?? Who knows but how he managed a 3 game weekend should have no bearing on Friday's strategy.


Imo it's a simple question. You need 3 outs in ninth inning and you have your full bullpen available. Who is your best guy? The answer to that question should have been on the mound. Monday was irrelevant at that point bc anybody you threw would have still been good on Monday.

So you can answer that ? With whoever you want.


I don't think State necessarily thinks Smith is a better bullpen option than Dudan. I think that showed in staying with him there to start the 9th.
Dudan best pitch is his slider. Why are we going fb away in that situation to a LH. If anything bust 97 on his hands. Then with Smith in the 10th, can we at least show a fb up and then come back with the slider. The guy was sitting on slider get him off of it a little bit by showing a 93 fb and then come back to it.
Because that guy was hitting almost .500 on anything middle/in. Barely .100 on anything on the outer half. You pitch Nicholson away. That's been how you get him out all season. You probably knew that tho.
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UF played until 2 AM last night-I hope they come out sluggish on Mon
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CLTWolf said:

StateFan2001 said:

James Henderson said:

FLWolf said:

For those that say we don't use Smith on Fridays, this is not a three day weekend. It is managed totally different. We are off today win or lose vs KY. How things were managed during the season really doesn't matter.

Personally, I think you bring Smith in to close in the 9th. Maybe EA preferred Duden vs that part of the line-up?? Who knows but how he managed a 3 game weekend should have no bearing on Friday's strategy.


Imo it's a simple question. You need 3 outs in ninth inning and you have your full bullpen available. Who is your best guy? The answer to that question should have been on the mound. Monday was irrelevant at that point bc anybody you threw would have still been good on Monday.

So you can answer that ? With whoever you want.


I don't think State necessarily thinks Smith is a better bullpen option than Dudan. I think that showed in staying with him there to start the 9th.
Dudan best pitch is his slider. Why are we going fb away in that situation to a LH. If anything bust 97 on his hands. Then with Smith in the 10th, can we at least show a fb up and then come back with the slider. The guy was sitting on slider get him off of it a little bit by showing a 93 fb and then come back to it.
Because that guy was hitting almost .500 on anything middle/in. Barely .100 on anything on the outer half. You pitch Nicholson away. That's been how you get him out all season. You probably knew that tho.
We pitched him correctly. He just hit a pitch away over one of the shorter fences in the park.
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Glasswolf said:

CLTWolf said:

StateFan2001 said:

James Henderson said:

FLWolf said:

For those that say we don't use Smith on Fridays, this is not a three day weekend. It is managed totally different. We are off today win or lose vs KY. How things were managed during the season really doesn't matter.

Personally, I think you bring Smith in to close in the 9th. Maybe EA preferred Duden vs that part of the line-up?? Who knows but how he managed a 3 game weekend should have no bearing on Friday's strategy.


Imo it's a simple question. You need 3 outs in ninth inning and you have your full bullpen available. Who is your best guy? The answer to that question should have been on the mound. Monday was irrelevant at that point bc anybody you threw would have still been good on Monday.

So you can answer that ? With whoever you want.


I don't think State necessarily thinks Smith is a better bullpen option than Dudan. I think that showed in staying with him there to start the 9th.
Dudan best pitch is his slider. Why are we going fb away in that situation to a LH. If anything bust 97 on his hands. Then with Smith in the 10th, can we at least show a fb up and then come back with the slider. The guy was sitting on slider get him off of it a little bit by showing a 93 fb and then come back to it.
Because that guy was hitting almost .500 on anything middle/in. Barely .100 on anything on the outer half. You pitch Nicholson away. That's been how you get him out all season. You probably knew that tho.
We pitched him correctly. He just hit a pitch away over one of the shorter fences in the park.
No sht we did. Dude just made a great cut and put good wood on it to (as you said) the right part of the park at the right part of the day. Just tip your cap and move on, all we can do. Kid stepped up. It happens.
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Pausing vacation Alex to say - I don't think anyone is running through this thing 3-0. We are still really well built for this format. Win the next two and it's just a 3 game series starting from 0-1.
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Yea, I hope it's UK to advance. They're not scary.
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James Henderson said:

StateFan2001 said:

James Henderson said:

FLWolf said:

For those that say we don't use Smith on Fridays, this is not a three day weekend. It is managed totally different. We are off today win or lose vs KY. How things were managed during the season really doesn't matter.

Personally, I think you bring Smith in to close in the 9th. Maybe EA preferred Duden vs that part of the line-up?? Who knows but how he managed a 3 game weekend should have no bearing on Friday's strategy.


Imo it's a simple question. You need 3 outs in ninth inning and you have your full bullpen available. Who is your best guy? The answer to that question should have been on the mound. Monday was irrelevant at that point bc anybody you threw would have still been good on Monday.

So you can answer that ? With whoever you want.


I don't think State necessarily thinks Smith is a better bullpen option than Dudan. I think that showed in staying with him there to start the 9th.
Dudan best pitch is his slider. Why are we going fb away in that situation to a LH. If anything bust 97 on his hands. Then with Smith in the 10th, can we at least show a fb up and then come back with the slider. The guy was sitting on slider get him off of it a little bit by showing a 93 fb and then come back to it.
No I think at times this year they've stayed with guys probably longer than needed and for no real reason. Sometimes it works out, sometimes you eventually pull the guy and go with someone else.

I'm not a fan of bringing a bullpen arm in, in trouble, when you really don't need to.

When you factor in the #s (opp. BA, Ks, Walks, runs allowed, etc...) and view Dudan a better option than Smith, we'll just have to disagree.


In hindsight we should've gone with Smith. What I liked at the time about sticking with Dudan is it allows margin for error. If Dudan struggled with the first batter bring in Smith. If you start with Smith the margin for error gets thin. Also, Dudan's performance in the 8th was generally positive.
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Agree. A one loss team is going to advance to play the winners bracket team. We have as good a shot as anyone. Win tomorrow and eliminate UF.
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CLTWolf said:

Glasswolf said:

CLTWolf said:

StateFan2001 said:

James Henderson said:

FLWolf said:

For those that say we don't use Smith on Fridays, this is not a three day weekend. It is managed totally different. We are off today win or lose vs KY. How things were managed during the season really doesn't matter.

Personally, I think you bring Smith in to close in the 9th. Maybe EA preferred Duden vs that part of the line-up?? Who knows but how he managed a 3 game weekend should have no bearing on Friday's strategy.


Imo it's a simple question. You need 3 outs in ninth inning and you have your full bullpen available. Who is your best guy? The answer to that question should have been on the mound. Monday was irrelevant at that point bc anybody you threw would have still been good on Monday.

So you can answer that ? With whoever you want.


I don't think State necessarily thinks Smith is a better bullpen option than Dudan. I think that showed in staying with him there to start the 9th.
Dudan best pitch is his slider. Why are we going fb away in that situation to a LH. If anything bust 97 on his hands. Then with Smith in the 10th, can we at least show a fb up and then come back with the slider. The guy was sitting on slider get him off of it a little bit by showing a 93 fb and then come back to it.
Because that guy was hitting almost .500 on anything middle/in. Barely .100 on anything on the outer half. You pitch Nicholson away. That's been how you get him out all season. You probably knew that tho.
We pitched him correctly. He just hit a pitch away over one of the shorter fences in the park.
No sht we did. Dude just made a great cut and put good wood on it to (as you said) the right part of the park at the right part of the day. Just tip your cap and move on, all we can do. Kid stepped up. It happens.
Absolutely.
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Elliott Avent today said that either Dominic Fritton or Logan Whitaker would start on the mound for NC State on Monday against Florida. No decision has been made yet.
 
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