Don't forget that Vandy also uses the private school advantage of extra schollies for athletes. They don't have to follow the 11.9 split across the team required by Title IX. Yet another ncaa rule that isn't enforced fairly across all programs.
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They're understandably POed at the NCAA, who handed Vandy a shorter route to the championship which screwed Miss State too.wolfpack1437 said:Agreed. I ran into a couple MSU fans in the lobby today with NC State hats on and MSU shirts. They planned to wear them to the game in protest of what happened to usgriff17matt said:Bas2020 said:
Shouldn't we actually be rooting for Vandy?
That would make the entire country call them "illegitimate" champ and that NC State deserves it.
It would further make a mockery out of the NCAA.
After the love MissSt fans showed us, I hope Vandy doesn't score a single run and gets absolutely boat raced out of every game.
They are not going to let a known positive participate in an athletic event, vaccinated or not.wolfpack1437 said:The CDC has no contact tracing or quarantine requirement for vaccinated individuals who have been exposed to a COVID positive individual so the vaccinated guys shouldn't have been ruled ineligible eitherBas2020 said:
Sounds like some lawsuits coming by reading the twitter tea leaves ... not from the school but from the players and parents . Discrimination case.
If my son posted 7 straight negative tests and did not fall within exposure to be in contact tracing I would sue also. The NCAA placed players in contact tracing just because they are unvaxxed not because they were in close contact or exposed. Those weren't even the rules during football .
https://www.espn.com/college-sports/baseball/story/_/id/31719370/college-world-series-2021-no-contest-vs-nc-state-sent-vanderbilt-finals
Here is the ESPN article referenced earlier with more info.
Here is the ESPN article referenced earlier with more info.
According to Chancellor Woodson, in an interview with Jeff Gravely. The players tested positive for the Delta variant. Given this information, I am very surprised the game is continuing with fans in the stands and all players (unvaccinated and vaccinated) are not being tested.
James Henderson said:They are not going to let a known positive participate in an athletic event, vaccinated or not.wolfpack1437 said:The CDC has no contact tracing or quarantine requirement for vaccinated individuals who have been exposed to a COVID positive individual so the vaccinated guys shouldn't have been ruled ineligible eitherBas2020 said:
Sounds like some lawsuits coming by reading the twitter tea leaves ... not from the school but from the players and parents . Discrimination case.
If my son posted 7 straight negative tests and did not fall within exposure to be in contact tracing I would sue also. The NCAA placed players in contact tracing just because they are unvaxxed not because they were in close contact or exposed. Those weren't even the rules during football .
But according to the rules the NCAA put forth, our vaccinated players should've never been tested
Jtbridges317 said:James Henderson said:They are not going to let a known positive participate in an athletic event, vaccinated or not.wolfpack1437 said:The CDC has no contact tracing or quarantine requirement for vaccinated individuals who have been exposed to a COVID positive individual so the vaccinated guys shouldn't have been ruled ineligible eitherBas2020 said:
Sounds like some lawsuits coming by reading the twitter tea leaves ... not from the school but from the players and parents . Discrimination case.
If my son posted 7 straight negative tests and did not fall within exposure to be in contact tracing I would sue also. The NCAA placed players in contact tracing just because they are unvaxxed not because they were in close contact or exposed. Those weren't even the rules during football .
But according to the rules the NCAA put forth, our vaccinated players should've never been tested
this is just simply not true. the "outbreak" clause in their covid testing procedure triggered the move to test the entire team. it's all clearly laid out in writing.
That's a somewhat serious revelation, no? I was speaking with a neighbor (She's an internist) at my kid's bday party yesterday and she seemed extremely concerned about the delta variant and how it affected the unvaccinated. I had an appointment with my Orthopedist this AM and he was concerned as well in speaking with him about it. He's a hand surgeon and not a virologist but I trust these Dr's opinions.Daviewolf83 said:
According to Chancellor Woodson, in an interview with Jeff Gravely. The players tested positive for the Delta variant. Given this information, I am very surprised the game is continuing with fans in the stands and all players (unvaccinated and vaccinated) are not being tested.
Man, I hope these kids are good.
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Rumor that the NCAA also tested us as having a positive Covid test in Ruston at the LaTech regional . One player.
We asked for a re-test and it was shown that it was a false positive .
No re-tests were awarded in Omaha for whatever reason.
The 4 positive tests of vaccinated players is nearly impossible and should have piqued the interest of medical professionals to see A) were the tests bad or false positives B) was there a variant that the J&J vaccine was useless against .
Instead of packing kids up and shipping them out how about some adults do some actual investigating of the unusual circumstances????
We asked for a re-test and it was shown that it was a false positive .
No re-tests were awarded in Omaha for whatever reason.
The 4 positive tests of vaccinated players is nearly impossible and should have piqued the interest of medical professionals to see A) were the tests bad or false positives B) was there a variant that the J&J vaccine was useless against .
Instead of packing kids up and shipping them out how about some adults do some actual investigating of the unusual circumstances????
The current vaccines we have work against all known variants, including the Delta variant No vaccine is 100%, so there will always be break-through cases. Vaccines protect you against serious illness and hospitalizations and are quite effective in doing so.Bas2020 said:
Rumor that the NCAA also tested us as having a positive Covid test in Ruston at the LaTech regional . One player.
We asked for a re-test and it was shown that it was a false positive .
No re-tests were awarded in Omaha for whatever reason.
The 4 positive tests of vaccinated players is nearly impossible and should have piqued the interest of medical professionals to see A) were the tests bad or false positives B) was there a variant that the J&J vaccine was useless against .
Instead of packing kids up and shipping them out how about some adults do some actual investigating of the unusual circumstances????
Both stories I read stated positives were tested multiple times. From the ESPN story:Bas2020 said:
Rumor that the NCAA also tested us as having a positive Covid test in Ruston at the LaTech regional . One player.
We asked for a re-test and it was shown that it was a false positive .
No re-tests were awarded in Omaha for whatever reason.
The 4 positive tests of vaccinated players is nearly impossible and should have piqued the interest of medical professionals to see A) were the tests bad or false positives B) was there a variant that the J&J vaccine was useless against .
Instead of packing kids up and shipping them out how about some adults do some actual investigating of the unusual circumstances????
"And NC State reported that two other players were showing symptoms. They were administered antigen tests, which came back positive. PCR tests were conducted. The results were the same. It was less than two hours before the game."
James Henderson said:Both stories I read stated positives were tested multiple times. From the ESPN story:Bas2020 said:
Rumor that the NCAA also tested us as having a positive Covid test in Ruston at the LaTech regional . One player.
We asked for a re-test and it was shown that it was a false positive .
No re-tests were awarded in Omaha for whatever reason.
The 4 positive tests of vaccinated players is nearly impossible and should have piqued the interest of medical professionals to see A) were the tests bad or false positives B) was there a variant that the J&J vaccine was useless against .
Instead of packing kids up and shipping them out how about some adults do some actual investigating of the unusual circumstances????
"And NC State reported that two other players were showing symptoms. They were administered antigen tests, which came back positive. PCR tests were conducted. The results were the same. It was less than two hours before the game."
I'm referring to the asymptotic vaxxed guys that were tested Friday after the game They were never retested according to their parents. This was supposedly the 'straw that broke the back ' albeit a statistical anomaly.
Sit the 2 positive guys and the 2 in support /manager roles . Let the rest play .
If things are that serious then test all vaxxed players in the CWS to see if a strange variant is at play . Maybe don't allow fans ?
They did none of that .
https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/booster-may-be-needed-jj-shot-delta-variant-spreads-some-experts-already-taking-2021-06-25/
Interesting timing of these stories now coming out about J&J vs the Delta variant. Just within the past 3-4 days. Also interesting that health experts are not sure about the safety of following J&J with Pfizer or Moderna at this time. So kind of a perfect storm.
Reasonable to say that if had we had 100% vax rate, we still could have had 8-10 Delta infections. The ncaa declared 8 to be an outbreak.
Interesting timing of these stories now coming out about J&J vs the Delta variant. Just within the past 3-4 days. Also interesting that health experts are not sure about the safety of following J&J with Pfizer or Moderna at this time. So kind of a perfect storm.
Reasonable to say that if had we had 100% vax rate, we still could have had 8-10 Delta infections. The ncaa declared 8 to be an outbreak.
Couple of things :
Larry Gallo - UNC compliance personnel during the AFAM scam abd the agent - john Blake scandal is somehow on the NCAA executive committee for college baseball .
Also Anthony Holman , the head of the CWS previously was a part of a lawsuit vs the NCAA. The NCAA then turned around and hired him . This is the guy Muir said was video taping medical details without consent .
Larry Gallo - UNC compliance personnel during the AFAM scam abd the agent - john Blake scandal is somehow on the NCAA executive committee for college baseball .
Also Anthony Holman , the head of the CWS previously was a part of a lawsuit vs the NCAA. The NCAA then turned around and hired him . This is the guy Muir said was video taping medical details without consent .
good read, thx for posting.MaxPack said:
https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/booster-may-be-needed-jj-shot-delta-variant-spreads-some-experts-already-taking-2021-06-25/
Interesting timing of these stories now coming out about J&J vs the Delta variant. Just within the past 3-4 days. Also interesting that health experts are not sure about the safety of following J&J with Pfizer or Moderna at this time. So kind of a perfect storm.
Reasonable to say that if had we had 100% vax rate, we still could have had 8-10 Delta infections. The ncaa declared 8 to be an outbreak.
my colleagues and i had bets on how long before the J&J recipients would be recommended for mRNA boosters
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Hmmmm, the NCAA is the new Washington DC cesspool.Bas2020 said:
Couple of things :
Larry Gallo - UNC compliance personnel during the AFAM scam abd the agent - john Blake scandal is somehow on the NCAA executive committee for college baseball .
Also Anthony Holman , the head of the CWS previously was a part of a lawsuit vs the NCAA. The NCAA then turned around and hired him . This is the guy Muir said was video taping medical details without consent .
D1 is full of it
But the JJ was never as good as Moderna/Pfizer at preventing symptomatic COVID right? Initial clinical trials only like 66% effectiveness compared to 90%+ for Moderna/Pfizer. And all the vaccines are a little bit worse vs delta. So JJ not that great at keeping you from getting COVID symptoms.Daviewolf83 said:The current vaccines we have work against all known variants, including the Delta variant No vaccine is 100%, so there will always be break-through cases. Vaccines protect you against serious illness and hospitalizations and are quite effective in doing so.Bas2020 said:
Rumor that the NCAA also tested us as having a positive Covid test in Ruston at the LaTech regional . One player.
We asked for a re-test and it was shown that it was a false positive .
No re-tests were awarded in Omaha for whatever reason.
The 4 positive tests of vaccinated players is nearly impossible and should have piqued the interest of medical professionals to see A) were the tests bad or false positives B) was there a variant that the J&J vaccine was useless against .
Instead of packing kids up and shipping them out how about some adults do some actual investigating of the unusual circumstances????
True that it does a better job of keeping you from hospitalization or death, but for NCAA purposes its really symptomatic covid or even just testing positive that matters.
I get why they preferred the one shot, but had it been me knowing how the clinical trial went I would have encouraged guys to get the Moderna/Pfizer to make it more likely they did not have to sit out for COVID reasons.
Yeah - have to wonder what Doeren is telling the football team about vaccinations.
I've seen several articles lately casting doubt on whether the single shot J&J vaccine is effective against Delta. Here's one example:
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021/06/will-the-j-and-j-vaccine-need-a-boost-against-delta.html.
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021/06/will-the-j-and-j-vaccine-need-a-boost-against-delta.html.
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Be equally interesting to know what Dabo and Saban are telling their FB teams about them.statefan91 said:
Yeah - have to wonder what Doeren is telling the football team about vaccinations.
Were either of our first two cases vaccinated? I've heard one was and the other wasn't. I'm just curious if we know if any of our vaccinated positive tests were symptomatic.
I'd bet money they're putting politics aside and telling them to get the damn shot.Packchem91 said:Be equally interesting to know what Dabo and Saban are telling their FB teams about them.statefan91 said:
Yeah - have to wonder what Doeren is telling the football team about vaccinations.
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Hungrywolf1259 said:I'd bet money they're putting politics aside and telling them to get the damn shot.Packchem91 said:Be equally interesting to know what Dabo and Saban are telling their FB teams about them.statefan91 said:
Yeah - have to wonder what Doeren is telling the football team about vaccinations.
I am a proponent of the vaccine but I hope all coaches are leaving the choice to the players
I got J&J as did many in my family and I am not worried. My son's university was only offering J&J at the time he was vaccinated and the students were also encouraged to get vaccinated with J&J at the locations setup by the local health department. J&J's trial profile as it relates to the efficacy was different than the Moderna and Pfizer trials. Also, saw a report today out of the UK that people vaccinated with Pfizer are seeing the same infection level as those vaccinated with the AZ vaccine (a vaccine very similar to J&J).eccdogg said:But the JJ was never as good as Moderna/Pfizer at preventing symptomatic COVID right? Initial clinical trials only like 66% effectiveness compared to 90%+ for Moderna/Pfizer. And all the vaccines are a little bit worse vs delta. So JJ not that great at keeping you from getting COVID symptoms.Daviewolf83 said:The current vaccines we have work against all known variants, including the Delta variant No vaccine is 100%, so there will always be break-through cases. Vaccines protect you against serious illness and hospitalizations and are quite effective in doing so.Bas2020 said:
Rumor that the NCAA also tested us as having a positive Covid test in Ruston at the LaTech regional . One player.
We asked for a re-test and it was shown that it was a false positive .
No re-tests were awarded in Omaha for whatever reason.
The 4 positive tests of vaccinated players is nearly impossible and should have piqued the interest of medical professionals to see A) were the tests bad or false positives B) was there a variant that the J&J vaccine was useless against .
Instead of packing kids up and shipping them out how about some adults do some actual investigating of the unusual circumstances????
True that it does a better job of keeping you from hospitalization or death, but for NCAA purposes its really symptomatic covid or even just testing positive that matters.
I get why they preferred the one shot, but had it been me knowing how the clinical trial went I would have encouraged guys to get the Moderna/Pfizer to make it more likely they did not have to sit out for COVID reasons.
I have not seen anywhere that suggests the four vaccinated players that tested positive actually showed symptoms. All of State's vaccinated players were tested - it had nothing to do with them showing symptoms. If you can find a published report that shows this, then I will stand corrected.
Despite the growth in Delta variant cases in Israel, it is reported that the vast majority of those who are vaccinated who have tested positive were asymptomatic. This is exactly how a vaccine is supposed to work. You get the virus, your body's antibodies and T-Cells help to fight it off and your case is not severe enough for you to have symptoms or be hospitalized.
I agree.Hungrywolf1259 said:I'd bet money they're putting politics aside and telling them to get the damn shot.Packchem91 said:Be equally interesting to know what Dabo and Saban are telling their FB teams about them.statefan91 said:
Yeah - have to wonder what Doeren is telling the football team about vaccinations.
JC what's up with D 1?
Its not clear whether the first two cases that showed symptoms were vaccinated or not. The article mentions the second two were not. I assume the 4 cases among vaccinated players discovered after the whole team was tested were asymptomatic.Daviewolf83 said:I got J&J as did many in my family and I am not worried. My son's university was only offering J&J at the time he was vaccinated and the students were also encouraged to get vaccinated with J&J at the locations setup by the local health department. J&J's trial profile as it relates to the efficacy was different than the Moderna and Pfizer trials. Also, saw a report today out of the UK that people vaccinated with Pfizer are seeing the same infection level as those vaccinated with the AZ vaccine (a vaccine very similar to J&J).eccdogg said:But the JJ was never as good as Moderna/Pfizer at preventing symptomatic COVID right? Initial clinical trials only like 66% effectiveness compared to 90%+ for Moderna/Pfizer. And all the vaccines are a little bit worse vs delta. So JJ not that great at keeping you from getting COVID symptoms.Daviewolf83 said:The current vaccines we have work against all known variants, including the Delta variant No vaccine is 100%, so there will always be break-through cases. Vaccines protect you against serious illness and hospitalizations and are quite effective in doing so.Bas2020 said:
Rumor that the NCAA also tested us as having a positive Covid test in Ruston at the LaTech regional . One player.
We asked for a re-test and it was shown that it was a false positive .
No re-tests were awarded in Omaha for whatever reason.
The 4 positive tests of vaccinated players is nearly impossible and should have piqued the interest of medical professionals to see A) were the tests bad or false positives B) was there a variant that the J&J vaccine was useless against .
Instead of packing kids up and shipping them out how about some adults do some actual investigating of the unusual circumstances????
True that it does a better job of keeping you from hospitalization or death, but for NCAA purposes its really symptomatic covid or even just testing positive that matters.
I get why they preferred the one shot, but had it been me knowing how the clinical trial went I would have encouraged guys to get the Moderna/Pfizer to make it more likely they did not have to sit out for COVID reasons.
I have not seen anywhere that suggests the four vaccinated players that tested positive actually showed symptoms. All of State's vaccinated players were tested - it had nothing to do with them showing symptoms. If you can find a published report that shows this, then I will stand corrected.
Despite the growth in Delta variant cases in Israel, it is reported that the vast majority of those who are vaccinated who have tested positive were asymptomatic. This is exactly how a vaccine is supposed to work. You get the virus, your body's antibodies and T-Cells help to fight it off and your case is not severe enough for you to have symptoms or be hospitalized.
I don't think anyone should be worried because J&J did a really good job of preventing severe COVID, but if your goal is not to have any symptomatic COVID (like what might force you to sit out of a baseball game) it really did quite a bit worse.
https://www.fda.gov/media/146217/download
see table 15 on page 31.
In the vaccine group 117 people got symptomatic COVID vs 351 in the placebo group (66% effective).
This was not nearly as good as for say Moderna where 11 people in the vaccinated group got symptomatic COVID vs 185 in the placebo group (94% effective).
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmoa2035389
Packchem91 said:I agree.Hungrywolf1259 said:I'd bet money they're putting politics aside and telling them to get the damn shot.Packchem91 said:Be equally interesting to know what Dabo and Saban are telling their FB teams about them.statefan91 said:
Yeah - have to wonder what Doeren is telling the football team about vaccinations.
Coaches & schools are opening themselves up to major lawsuits for demanding players get the shot so NO none of them are going to do that .
It's only "political" if someone doesn't get the shot. Lol.
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There are ways a coach can let it be known what is expected of a player without demanding. They want to win. Period.
Champions don't lose attention to detail.
Champions don't lose attention to detail.
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A coach can also let a player choose which is that player's God given right. I prefer a coach that believes in freedom and I think Avent does. Everybody wants to win, but liberty is more important than winning especially when you are talking about one's possible long term health.Hungrywolf1259 said:
There are ways a coach can let it be known what is expected of a player without demanding. They want to win. Period.
Champions don't lose attention to detail.
Being an N. C. State fan builds great character!
I believe the first positive was not vaccinated b/c reports suggest it was triggered in the normal Tuesday testing. The only players tested at that time were the unvaccinated players.
Sure. We can all rail against the loss of our freedoms but at the end of the day you can play for a freedom guy or you can play for a coach like Saban.
Look I don't know what Dani and Saban are telling their guys. I just said I'd bet money they want them vaccinated.
Look I don't know what Dani and Saban are telling their guys. I just said I'd bet money they want them vaccinated.
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