This is what I was referring to earlier. There is all kinds of shady / stupid going on. Running out of tests, moving locations, not adjusting for said relocation.
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It seems that the prevailing sentiment of those that feel the blame falls on the unvaccinated players is that none of this would have happened if all the players had been vaccinated.
Is that really true?
Are you saying that if Jarrett catches a bug or cold with covid like symptoms that the NCAA wouldn't have tested him because he and the entire traveling party had been vaccinated? Perhaps, I don't know.
Assuming they would've tested him and even though he's vaccinated it pops positive for covid. Contact tracing ensues and despite the team being vaccinated enough false positives materialize and the team is eventually considered to have an outbreak.
I know this scenario seems far fetched, but it could happen. The question for me is whether the NCAA rules for testing would have kicked in for a covid like symptom player to include contact tracing and further testing even for a fully vaccinated traveling party.
If so, then that would add a gray area to the black and white opinion that if the players had all been vaccinated then none of this would have happened.
Does anyone know if the NCAA rules for testing would have been triggered with a covid like symptom player despite the team being vaccinated?
Is that really true?
Are you saying that if Jarrett catches a bug or cold with covid like symptoms that the NCAA wouldn't have tested him because he and the entire traveling party had been vaccinated? Perhaps, I don't know.
Assuming they would've tested him and even though he's vaccinated it pops positive for covid. Contact tracing ensues and despite the team being vaccinated enough false positives materialize and the team is eventually considered to have an outbreak.
I know this scenario seems far fetched, but it could happen. The question for me is whether the NCAA rules for testing would have kicked in for a covid like symptom player to include contact tracing and further testing even for a fully vaccinated traveling party.
If so, then that would add a gray area to the black and white opinion that if the players had all been vaccinated then none of this would have happened.
Does anyone know if the NCAA rules for testing would have been triggered with a covid like symptom player despite the team being vaccinated?
NCAA broke their own protocols several times .
Lawsuits are coming .
And I'm not a fire _____anybody kind of guy . I want our coaches to be supported and our administration that works hard to be supported . But I am dissatisfied with Boo on this . He has several areas to attack and make a case and he's just not stepping up . Being passive is not a good look right now.
Lawsuits are coming .
And I'm not a fire _____anybody kind of guy . I want our coaches to be supported and our administration that works hard to be supported . But I am dissatisfied with Boo on this . He has several areas to attack and make a case and he's just not stepping up . Being passive is not a good look right now.
Lawsuits need to be quick if we want to get back in the mix for a national title
Personally, I don't blame the players for not being vaccinated. I agree with Avent that it is something that cannot be forced.Wolfblood said:
It seems that the prevailing sentiment of those that feel the blame falls on the unvaccinated players is that none of this would have happened if all the players had been vaccinated.
Is that really true?
Are you saying that if Jarrett catches a bug or cold with covid like symptoms that the NCAA wouldn't have tested him because he and the entire traveling party had been vaccinated? Perhaps, I don't know.
Assuming they would've tested him and even though he's vaccinated it pops positive for covid. Contact tracing ensues and despite the team being vaccinated enough false positives materialize and the team is eventually considered to have an outbreak.
I know this scenario seems far fetched, but it could happen. The question for me is whether the NCAA rules for testing would have kicked in for a covid like symptom player to include contact tracing and further testing even for a fully vaccinated traveling party.
If so, then that would add a gray area to the black and white opinion that if the players had all been vaccinated then none of this would have happened.
Does anyone know if the NCAA rules for testing would have been triggered with a covid like symptom player despite the team being vaccinated?
I'd like to know:
1. Did the NCAA follow the testing and disqualification procedure that was outlined prior to the CWS?
2. What did NC State, as a program, do to mitigate the risk that our unvaccinated players would become infected and thus expose themselves and their teammates to additional testing and disqualifications.
I would love to see it, but there is 0.0% chance this happensKing Leary said:
Lawsuits need to be quick if we want to get back in the mix for a national title
I don't think Murr is protected by HIPAA here. Hell I admit it...I don't think anyone is protected by HIPAA anymore.
" You should discuss the situation with an attorney first. Your case may not be a wiretapping violation, but it could violate privacy laws or a criminal statute. You may have a strong lawsuit on your hands if:"
" The recording occurred in a private space, such as a locker room or doctor's office"
https://www.findlaw.com/civilrights/enforcing-your-civil-rights/can-i-sue-someone-for-recording-me-.html
" The recording occurred in a private space, such as a locker room or doctor's office"
https://www.findlaw.com/civilrights/enforcing-your-civil-rights/can-i-sue-someone-for-recording-me-.html
It might not protected by HIPAA. But it's just weird for a grown man to be recording student athletes while they get tested. Either way Murr and the players deserve answers from Holman
Man I've tried to learn but it's way complicated and way over my head. I'll let others pound the HIPAA drum b/c I have no clue what is or isn't allowed.metcalfmafia said:
I don't think Murr is protected by HIPAA here. Hell I admit it...I don't think anyone is protected by HIPAA anymore.
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I wonder what one would find if they dug into the background of Anthony Holman. I'm assuming he was the man who pulled the plug on all of this .
Guessing you will find him to be an over the top Coronabro.
Guessing you will find him to be an over the top Coronabro.
Bas2020 said:
I wonder what one would find if they dug into the background of Anthony Holman. I'm assuming he was the man who pulled the plug on all of this .
Been with the NCAA since 2009. Went to Augustana college. Worked for the Sacramento Kings at one point.
This all coming from LinkedIn
Was he giving this info to Corbin?
As I posted in an earlier comment, HIPAA rules were suspended for Covid, at the start of the pandemic.metcalfmafia said:
I don't think Murr is protected by HIPAA here. Hell I admit it...I don't think anyone is protected by HIPAA anymore.
That may be true but there are rules around PII (Personally Identifiable information) and I am sure that the information that was allegedly recorded should not have been recorded.Daviewolf83 said:As I posted in an earlier comment, HIPAA rules were suspended for Covid, at the start of the pandemic.metcalfmafia said:
I don't think Murr is protected by HIPAA here. Hell I admit it...I don't think anyone is protected by HIPAA anymore.
It falls under the Privacy Act.
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This is accurate. HIPAA is not involved here, but other rules are involved. Not sure people remember the Stanley Cup playoffs from last Fall, but there was a big issue where players were videoed by a television crew while they were being Covid tested. I also know there was no video allowed of my son and his teammates being Covid tested over 60 times last year. This likely applied to all student athletes.Wolfpacker1385 said:That may be true but there are rules around PII (Personally Identifiable information) and I am sure that the information that was allegedly recorded should not have been recorded.Daviewolf83 said:As I posted in an earlier comment, HIPAA rules were suspended for Covid, at the start of the pandemic.metcalfmafia said:
I don't think Murr is protected by HIPAA here. Hell I admit it...I don't think anyone is protected by HIPAA anymore.
It falls under the Privacy Act.
Don’t know about HIPAA but @aholman32 may have broken Nebraska’s recording laws since you were expecting a certain level of privacy during medical testing. https://t.co/ZDHhTcHScT
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To me, we have two possibilities here and I think State players and fans have a right to their pound of flesh.
1. NCAA didn't follow the protocol Boo readily admits has been in place since April. If so, lawsuits need to be filed and the NCAA needs to be held accountable.
2. NC State was negligent in protecting their student athletes by not placing them in a self-imposed bubble.
So, Boo needs to decide if that pound of flesh comes out of his ass or the NCAAs. If everyone agrees to #2 then he needs to find new employment. If everyone agrees to #1, we need to see some lawsuits filed asap.
1. NCAA didn't follow the protocol Boo readily admits has been in place since April. If so, lawsuits need to be filed and the NCAA needs to be held accountable.
2. NC State was negligent in protecting their student athletes by not placing them in a self-imposed bubble.
So, Boo needs to decide if that pound of flesh comes out of his ass or the NCAAs. If everyone agrees to #2 then he needs to find new employment. If everyone agrees to #1, we need to see some lawsuits filed asap.
By the way, just asked my wife about this recording event and her jaw dropped. She is a former HIPAA privacy officer and is responsible for writing the privacy procedures for her current company. In addition to this, she develops all the privacy training for her company's staff. This is why have been very sure about HIPAA and what I have posted.King Leary said:Don’t know about HIPAA but @aholman32 may have broken Nebraska’s recording laws since you were expecting a certain level of privacy during medical testing. https://t.co/ZDHhTcHScT
— Kala🐗 (@KRoftheAR) June 28, 2021
She was dumbstruck as to why anyone would think this is allowed and is very certain it broke some laws. At this point, the NCAA official needs to be issued a "do not destroy" order for the data on his phone and any other written communications he may posses. If he does delete the videos after receiving such an order, things could go badly for him and the NCAA.
I have been under these types of orders in the past with previous employers (at one time I worked for a very, very large company that people liked to sue a lot) and we took them very seriously. When receiving the orders, we had to preserve all records (emails, development documents, testing plans, etc) and we always acted in compliance with the orders - given the immense exposure the company would have to monetary loss if it was found we did not act in good faith. We once filled an entire conference room (10' x 30') from the floor to the ceiling with boxes filled with records in answer to a records request.
Here's a question that I don't think has even been mentioned (unless I missed it along the way) but is a very important part of this entire sh*t show.
Our program basically shut down for two weeks earlier in the year (late March I believe) because of a COVID outbreak. No one has even discussed the previous exposure of our players to COVID. So, not only were they testing vaccinated players with a PCR testing method that has been shown to likely show false positives, but they also very well could have been testing unvaccinated players that had already been previously exposed to COVID and already contained COVID antibodies.
Our program basically shut down for two weeks earlier in the year (late March I believe) because of a COVID outbreak. No one has even discussed the previous exposure of our players to COVID. So, not only were they testing vaccinated players with a PCR testing method that has been shown to likely show false positives, but they also very well could have been testing unvaccinated players that had already been previously exposed to COVID and already contained COVID antibodies.
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It has been mentioned as one of the reasons why someone would not have worried about being vaccinated, if they had antibodies (and more importantly) T-Cells from prior infection. It does depend on when the infection occurred, but if within 90 days, people previously infected with Covid do not need to be tested. They do test if infection was beyond 90 days, but it is likely these people are still protected from past infection.BigLefty24 said:
Here's a question that I don't think has even been mentioned (unless I missed it along the way) but is a very important part of this entire sh*t show.
Our program basically shut down for two weeks earlier in the year (late March I believe) because of a COVID outbreak. No one has even discussed the previous exposure of our players to COVID. So, not only were they testing vaccinated players with a PCR testing method that has been shown to likely show false positives, but they also very well could have been testing unvaccinated players that had already been previously exposed to COVID and already contained COVID antibodies.
According to the letter of the law, the NCAA removed the Pack.
According to the spirit of a national championship and its integrity there should have been another outcome. The science shows that there are false positives and those testing positive, especially the vaccinated, among 20 year-olds may never show symptoms, (I am aware a couple did.) At the same time that the NCAA is touting a sold-out stadiums (I was there for the early games) with no concern for COVID, it makes no rational sense to enforce the letter of the law. Because these are 18-22 year-old healthy kids playing in an outdoor, once-in-a-lifetime opportunity, the vaccinated (even those that tested positive), and those who tested negative should have been allowed to play. Surely some scientific arguments and common judgment would have resulted in a different outcome.
I am vaccinated and believe in them (I am a 71 year-old 2 time cancer survivor), but that is beside the point. Rational clear-thinking adults in the room would have found a way for NC State to continue to play. Kicking them out cheapens the entire CWS.
According to the spirit of a national championship and its integrity there should have been another outcome. The science shows that there are false positives and those testing positive, especially the vaccinated, among 20 year-olds may never show symptoms, (I am aware a couple did.) At the same time that the NCAA is touting a sold-out stadiums (I was there for the early games) with no concern for COVID, it makes no rational sense to enforce the letter of the law. Because these are 18-22 year-old healthy kids playing in an outdoor, once-in-a-lifetime opportunity, the vaccinated (even those that tested positive), and those who tested negative should have been allowed to play. Surely some scientific arguments and common judgment would have resulted in a different outcome.
I am vaccinated and believe in them (I am a 71 year-old 2 time cancer survivor), but that is beside the point. Rational clear-thinking adults in the room would have found a way for NC State to continue to play. Kicking them out cheapens the entire CWS.
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All this said, if we had won the game on Friday would Vanderbilt still be playing tonight or do they just name MS State the winner?
Miss State would be the champs.Lagniappe said:
All this said, if we had won the game on Friday would Vanderbilt still be playing tonight or do they just name MS State the winner?
Well, IMO, Co-Champs with us
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Shouldn't we actually be rooting for Vandy?
That would make the entire country call them "illegitimate" champ and that NC State deserves it.
It would further make a mockery out of the NCAA.
That would make the entire country call them "illegitimate" champ and that NC State deserves it.
It would further make a mockery out of the NCAA.
Hell no are you insane? They need to lose and lose worse than a Friday Super Regional game in Fayetteville, AR.Bas2020 said:
Shouldn't we actually be rooting for Vandy?
That would make the entire country call them "illegitimate" champ and that NC State deserves it.
It would further make a mockery out of the NCAA.
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Bas2020 said:
Shouldn't we actually be rooting for Vandy?
That would make the entire country call them "illegitimate" champ and that NC State deserves it.
It would further make a mockery out of the NCAA.
After the love MissSt fans showed us, I hope Vandy doesn't score a single run and gets absolutely boat raced out of every game.
I just talked with a customer of mine and he has a supplier or customer(I forget which) who is a big Mississippi State Alum. They were talking today and had been through out the tournament. My customer, who I trust implicitly, said the MSU guy said if they win, they have already decided to buy our guys rings. Maybe far fetched and just passing along what I was told, but if that happened, that would be very special to our players. SEC money can buy a lot of things.
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Anyone see the insanely biased article that popped up on ESPN regarding all of this? All from the perspective of Corbin? It's really something.
https://www.espn.com/college-sports/baseball/story/_/id/31719370/college-world-series-2021-no-contest-vs-nc-state-sent-vanderbilt-finals
https://www.espn.com/college-sports/baseball/story/_/id/31719370/college-world-series-2021-no-contest-vs-nc-state-sent-vanderbilt-finals
CLTWolf said:Hell no are you insane? They need to lose and lose worse than a Friday Super Regional game in Fayetteville, AR.Bas2020 said:
Shouldn't we actually be rooting for Vandy?
That would make the entire country call them "illegitimate" champ and that NC State deserves it.
It would further make a mockery out of the NCAA.
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How do you know lawsuits are coming?Bas2020 said:
NCAA broke their own protocols several times .
Lawsuits are coming .
And I'm not a fire _____anybody kind of guy . I want our coaches to be supported and our administration that works hard to be supported . But I am dissatisfied with Boo on this . He has several areas to attack and make a case and he's just not stepping up . Being passive is not a good look right now.
The CDC has no contact tracing or quarantine requirement for vaccinated individuals who have been exposed to a COVID positive individual so the vaccinated guys shouldn't have been ruled ineligible eitherBas2020 said:
Sounds like some lawsuits coming by reading the twitter tea leaves ... not from the school but from the players and parents . Discrimination case.
If my son posted 7 straight negative tests and did not fall within exposure to be in contact tracing I would sue also. The NCAA placed players in contact tracing just because they are unvaxxed not because they were in close contact or exposed. Those weren't even the rules during football .
Agreed. I ran into a couple MSU fans in the lobby today with NC State hats on and MSU shirts. They planned to wear them to the game in protest of what happened to usgriff17matt said:Bas2020 said:
Shouldn't we actually be rooting for Vandy?
That would make the entire country call them "illegitimate" champ and that NC State deserves it.
It would further make a mockery out of the NCAA.
After the love MissSt fans showed us, I hope Vandy doesn't score a single run and gets absolutely boat raced out of every game.
I can't imagine cheering for Vanderbilt in anything prior to this CWS, and that hasn't changed lol.
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