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@FoxTV got a 1.55 rating and 3.08 million viewers for Sunday's @CookOut Clash, up from last year at L.A. Coliseum that was moved to a Saturday on FS1, but off from the first two runnings there in '22 and '23.

The race was the No. 2 sports event of the week after @PGATour.


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Not bad, considering that FOX practically didn't promote it.
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Winston-Salem city manager Patrick Pate: "Winston-Salem was mentioned on national TV so many times [during the @CookOut Clash last weekend]. We can't count how much that would cost if we were trying to put those ads out there ourselves."

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ncsupack1 said:

Not bad, considering that FOX practically didn't promote it.
Man, if it doesn't eventually go back to Daytona - I'd love to see them do Rockingham next...
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TheStorm said:

ncsupack1 said:

Not bad, considering that FOX practically didn't promote it.
Man, if it doesn't eventually go back to Daytona - I'd love to see them do Rockingham next...


Now that would be cool.
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ncsupack1 said:

TheStorm said:

ncsupack1 said:

Not bad, considering that FOX practically didn't promote it.
Man, if it doesn't eventually go back to Daytona - I'd love to see them do Rockingham next...


Now that would be cool.
Or even the All-Star Race given its proximity to Charlotte.
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TheStorm said:

ncsupack1 said:

TheStorm said:

ncsupack1 said:

Not bad, considering that FOX practically didn't promote it.
Man, if it doesn't eventually go back to Daytona - I'd love to see them do Rockingham next...


Now that would be cool.
Or even the All-Star Race given its proximity to Charlotte.


I like the rotation thing. I've heard and read that Brazil could host the Clash next year. I'm not a fan.
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I do like how they have reintroduced North Wilkesboro, but maybe have the Clash at NW and the All-Star race at Rockingham....get them both involved going fwd.
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ge_traveler said:

I do like how they have reintroduced North Wilkesboro, but maybe have the Clash at NW and the All-Star race at Rockingham....get them both involved going fwd.


I like that idea.
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ncsupack1 said:

ge_traveler said:

I do like how they have reintroduced North Wilkesboro, but maybe have the Clash at NW and the All-Star race at Rockingham....get them both involved going fwd.


I like that idea.
At least maybe switch them back and forth. Both would be competitive races IMHO.
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Glasswolf said:

ncsupack1 said:

ge_traveler said:

I do like how they have reintroduced North Wilkesboro, but maybe have the Clash at NW and the All-Star race at Rockingham....get them both involved going fwd.


I like that idea.
At least maybe switch them back and forth. Both would be competitive races IMHO.


I believe so too.
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I think as many races as they can return to the area of roots that NASCAR came from the better. People will come, and not just local race fans.
Originator of the Tony Adams Scale
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hokiewolf said:

I think as many races as they can return to the area of roots that NASCAR came from the better. People will come, and not just local race fans.
One would hope. My fear though is that once the new is gone folks won't show up. The Rock tried this a few years ago, and fans stopped going after year 3. Yes, this wasn't CUP, but the fear is there. I know SMI, has discussed this about NWS, fan attendance was down this past All Star race.
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ncsupack1 said:

hokiewolf said:

I think as many races as they can return to the area of roots that NASCAR came from the better. People will come, and not just local race fans.
One would hope. My fear though is that once the new is gone folks won't show up. The Rock tried this a few years ago, and fans stopped going after year 3. Yes, this wasn't CUP, but the fear is there. I know SMI, has discussed this about NWS, fan attendance was down this past All Star race.
got to shorten the races.
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hokiewolf said:

ncsupack1 said:

hokiewolf said:

I think as many races as they can return to the area of roots that NASCAR came from the better. People will come, and not just local race fans.
One would hope. My fear though is that once the new is gone folks won't show up. The Rock tried this a few years ago, and fans stopped going after year 3. Yes, this wasn't CUP, but the fear is there. I know SMI, has discussed this about NWS, fan attendance was down this past All Star race.
got to shorten the races.
They have for a lot of races. I don't know how you keep fans coming back for years on end. We are season ticket holders at Charlotte, and this is brought up a lot. Year 1 and 2 great, then the drop off. Heck, NWS had brought in extra seating year one for the All Star race, this year, campers were there. BTW, I'm all for shortening the races.
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The main problem with Rockingham years ago was the placement of the "spring" race in the schedule. The fall race was usually in November and that race was always good. But, in the early 2000's, NASCAR was trying to expand into other states and Texas got one of the Rockingham slots.....the fall race. That was pretty much the dagger for The Rock. Had they taken the February race instead of the November race, there may have been a chance for survival. But, they were after the money and went after the fall race first, knowing the spring race was already tough on fans.

The "spring" race was tough because it was always the weekend after the Daytona 500. Following Daytona was tough, as a lot of fans had gone to Daytona for speedweek and blown through their money already. The second reason it didn't do well was because it was usually so damn cold. There were some races where we froze our butts off. With the attendance dwindling, it was just a matter of time. The powers-to-be (Bruton Smith) knew this and used it as leverage to move the races to other tracks that he owned and could get better attendance. Like everything, it's always about the money.

The races at The Rock were always good......the fans loved it and so did the drivers. I miss those races! We always camped across the road from the track for both races each year. Good times!
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The spring date didn't help. Kinda like just not that long ago and Atlanta. They have moved that date to later and attendance has been pretty good.
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ncsupack1 said:

The spring date didn't help. Kinda like just not that long ago and Atlanta. They have moved that date to later and attendance has been pretty good.


Exactly, where it falls within the season makes a huge difference.

It could be wishful thinking but I do feel like they are paying attention to the grassroots movement and maybe there is a possibility that the Cup series returns to Rockingham at some point. Attendance at the Xfinity and Truck races this year will determine a lot.
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ge_traveler said:

ncsupack1 said:

The spring date didn't help. Kinda like just not that long ago and Atlanta. They have moved that date to later and attendance has been pretty good.


Exactly, where it falls within the season makes a huge difference.

It could be wishful thinking but I do feel like they are paying attention to the grassroots movement and maybe there is a possibility that the Cup series returns to Rockingham at some point. Attendance at the Xfinity and Truck races this year will determine a lot.


You make good points, the only problem is that for a CUP points race, either NASCAR or SMI will have to give up a date of their own. I've heard that neither is open to that at the moment.
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ge_traveler said:

The main problem with Rockingham years ago was the placement of the "spring" race in the schedule. The fall race was usually in November and that race was always good. But, in the early 2000's, NASCAR was trying to expand into other states and Texas got one of the Rockingham slots.....the fall race. That was pretty much the dagger for The Rock. Had they taken the February race instead of the November race, there may have been a chance for survival. But, they were after the money and went after the fall race first, knowing the spring race was already tough on fans.

The "spring" race was tough because it was always the weekend after the Daytona 500. Following Daytona was tough, as a lot of fans had gone to Daytona for speedweek and blown through their money already. The second reason it didn't do well was because it was usually so damn cold. There were some races where we froze our butts off. With the attendance dwindling, it was just a matter of time. The powers-to-be (Bruton Smith) knew this and used it as leverage to move the races to other tracks that he owned and could get better attendance. Like everything, it's always about the money.

The races at The Rock were always good......the fans loved it and so did the drivers. I miss those races! We always camped across the road from the track for both races each year. Good times!
The order use to be Riverside, California, Daytona, Rockingham, Richmond. I have sat with my Dad at both Rockingham and Richmond while it was either sleeting or freezing rain begging for them to postpone the race lol.
I asked a ref if he could give me a technical foul for thinking bad things about him. He said, of course not. I said, well, I think you stink. And he gave me a technical. You can't trust em.


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Dang.

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Glasswolf said:

ge_traveler said:

The main problem with Rockingham years ago was the placement of the "spring" race in the schedule. The fall race was usually in November and that race was always good. But, in the early 2000's, NASCAR was trying to expand into other states and Texas got one of the Rockingham slots.....the fall race. That was pretty much the dagger for The Rock. Had they taken the February race instead of the November race, there may have been a chance for survival. But, they were after the money and went after the fall race first, knowing the spring race was already tough on fans.

The "spring" race was tough because it was always the weekend after the Daytona 500. Following Daytona was tough, as a lot of fans had gone to Daytona for speedweek and blown through their money already. The second reason it didn't do well was because it was usually so damn cold. There were some races where we froze our butts off. With the attendance dwindling, it was just a matter of time. The powers-to-be (Bruton Smith) knew this and used it as leverage to move the races to other tracks that he owned and could get better attendance. Like everything, it's always about the money.

The races at The Rock were always good......the fans loved it and so did the drivers. I miss those races! We always camped across the road from the track for both races each year. Good times!
The order use to be Riverside, California, Daytona, Rockingham, Richmond. I have sat with my Dad at both Rockingham and Richmond while it was either sleeting or freezing rain begging for them to postpone the race lol.
For whatever reason, I used to love watching a race in person at Rockingham... I don't know if my ass just loved those concrete bleachers or if it was because you could watch two cars battle side by side around the entire length of the track (probably the latter, lol)... I saw Rusty and Earnhardt go around that track side-by-side somewhere close to 20 straight laps in probably the 1988 Fall Race...
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TheStorm said:

Glasswolf said:

ge_traveler said:

The main problem with Rockingham years ago was the placement of the "spring" race in the schedule. The fall race was usually in November and that race was always good. But, in the early 2000's, NASCAR was trying to expand into other states and Texas got one of the Rockingham slots.....the fall race. That was pretty much the dagger for The Rock. Had they taken the February race instead of the November race, there may have been a chance for survival. But, they were after the money and went after the fall race first, knowing the spring race was already tough on fans.

The "spring" race was tough because it was always the weekend after the Daytona 500. Following Daytona was tough, as a lot of fans had gone to Daytona for speedweek and blown through their money already. The second reason it didn't do well was because it was usually so damn cold. There were some races where we froze our butts off. With the attendance dwindling, it was just a matter of time. The powers-to-be (Bruton Smith) knew this and used it as leverage to move the races to other tracks that he owned and could get better attendance. Like everything, it's always about the money.

The races at The Rock were always good......the fans loved it and so did the drivers. I miss those races! We always camped across the road from the track for both races each year. Good times!
The order use to be Riverside, California, Daytona, Rockingham, Richmond. I have sat with my Dad at both Rockingham and Richmond while it was either sleeting or freezing rain begging for them to postpone the race lol.
For whatever reason, I used to love watching a race in person at Rockingham... I don't know if my ass just loved those concrete bleachers or if it was because you could watch two cars battle side by side around the entire length of the track (probably the latter, lol)... I saw Rusty and Earnhardt go around that track side-by-side somewhere close to 20 straight laps in probably the 1988 Fall Race...
I literally would fall asleep at the Rockingham race.
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caryking said:

TheStorm said:

Glasswolf said:

ge_traveler said:

The main problem with Rockingham years ago was the placement of the "spring" race in the schedule. The fall race was usually in November and that race was always good. But, in the early 2000's, NASCAR was trying to expand into other states and Texas got one of the Rockingham slots.....the fall race. That was pretty much the dagger for The Rock. Had they taken the February race instead of the November race, there may have been a chance for survival. But, they were after the money and went after the fall race first, knowing the spring race was already tough on fans.

The "spring" race was tough because it was always the weekend after the Daytona 500. Following Daytona was tough, as a lot of fans had gone to Daytona for speedweek and blown through their money already. The second reason it didn't do well was because it was usually so damn cold. There were some races where we froze our butts off. With the attendance dwindling, it was just a matter of time. The powers-to-be (Bruton Smith) knew this and used it as leverage to move the races to other tracks that he owned and could get better attendance. Like everything, it's always about the money.

The races at The Rock were always good......the fans loved it and so did the drivers. I miss those races! We always camped across the road from the track for both races each year. Good times!
The order use to be Riverside, California, Daytona, Rockingham, Richmond. I have sat with my Dad at both Rockingham and Richmond while it was either sleeting or freezing rain begging for them to postpone the race lol.
For whatever reason, I used to love watching a race in person at Rockingham... I don't know if my ass just loved those concrete bleachers or if it was because you could watch two cars battle side by side around the entire length of the track (probably the latter, lol)... I saw Rusty and Earnhardt go around that track side-by-side somewhere close to 20 straight laps in probably the 1988 Fall Race...
I literally would fall asleep at the Rockingham race.
Rockingham will always have a special place for me. That's where I saw my first NASCAR race on my birthday in March of 1967. And of course my favorite driver, Richard Petty won!
I asked a ref if he could give me a technical foul for thinking bad things about him. He said, of course not. I said, well, I think you stink. And he gave me a technical. You can't trust em.


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Glasswolf said:

caryking said:

TheStorm said:

Glasswolf said:

ge_traveler said:

The main problem with Rockingham years ago was the placement of the "spring" race in the schedule. The fall race was usually in November and that race was always good. But, in the early 2000's, NASCAR was trying to expand into other states and Texas got one of the Rockingham slots.....the fall race. That was pretty much the dagger for The Rock. Had they taken the February race instead of the November race, there may have been a chance for survival. But, they were after the money and went after the fall race first, knowing the spring race was already tough on fans.

The "spring" race was tough because it was always the weekend after the Daytona 500. Following Daytona was tough, as a lot of fans had gone to Daytona for speedweek and blown through their money already. The second reason it didn't do well was because it was usually so damn cold. There were some races where we froze our butts off. With the attendance dwindling, it was just a matter of time. The powers-to-be (Bruton Smith) knew this and used it as leverage to move the races to other tracks that he owned and could get better attendance. Like everything, it's always about the money.

The races at The Rock were always good......the fans loved it and so did the drivers. I miss those races! We always camped across the road from the track for both races each year. Good times!
The order use to be Riverside, California, Daytona, Rockingham, Richmond. I have sat with my Dad at both Rockingham and Richmond while it was either sleeting or freezing rain begging for them to postpone the race lol.
For whatever reason, I used to love watching a race in person at Rockingham... I don't know if my ass just loved those concrete bleachers or if it was because you could watch two cars battle side by side around the entire length of the track (probably the latter, lol)... I saw Rusty and Earnhardt go around that track side-by-side somewhere close to 20 straight laps in probably the 1988 Fall Race...
I literally would fall asleep at the Rockingham race.
Rockingham will always have a special place for me. That's where I saw my first NASCAR race on my birthday in March of 1967. And of course my favorite driver, Richard Petty won!
That is a cool story. The King.
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caryking said:

TheStorm said:

Glasswolf said:

ge_traveler said:

The main problem with Rockingham years ago was the placement of the "spring" race in the schedule. The fall race was usually in November and that race was always good. But, in the early 2000's, NASCAR was trying to expand into other states and Texas got one of the Rockingham slots.....the fall race. That was pretty much the dagger for The Rock. Had they taken the February race instead of the November race, there may have been a chance for survival. But, they were after the money and went after the fall race first, knowing the spring race was already tough on fans.

The "spring" race was tough because it was always the weekend after the Daytona 500. Following Daytona was tough, as a lot of fans had gone to Daytona for speedweek and blown through their money already. The second reason it didn't do well was because it was usually so damn cold. There were some races where we froze our butts off. With the attendance dwindling, it was just a matter of time. The powers-to-be (Bruton Smith) knew this and used it as leverage to move the races to other tracks that he owned and could get better attendance. Like everything, it's always about the money.

The races at The Rock were always good......the fans loved it and so did the drivers. I miss those races! We always camped across the road from the track for both races each year. Good times!
The order use to be Riverside, California, Daytona, Rockingham, Richmond. I have sat with my Dad at both Rockingham and Richmond while it was either sleeting or freezing rain begging for them to postpone the race lol.
For whatever reason, I used to love watching a race in person at Rockingham... I don't know if my ass just loved those concrete bleachers or if it was because you could watch two cars battle side by side around the entire length of the track (probably the latter, lol)... I saw Rusty and Earnhardt go around that track side-by-side somewhere close to 20 straight laps in probably the 1988 Fall Race...
I literally would fall asleep at the Rockingham race.
I've never been, not a fan?
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Ed Hinton, an ESPN senior writer who specialized in motorsports before retiring in 2014, died Thursday at Brookwood Hospital in Birmingham, Alabama. He was 76.

Hinton, who graduated from the University of Southern Mississippi with a degree in journalism, also wrote for Sports Illustrated during a celebrated 47-year career.

Before joining ESPN in 2008, he signed on with the Tribune Company newspaper chain, writing motorsports for the flagship Chicago Tribune, as well as member newspapers such as the Los Angeles Times, Newsday, Baltimore Sun, Orlando Sentinel and South Florida Sun-Sentinel. He was also an editor for a short time in Orlando.

Hinton covered multiple sports and teams throughout his career, but found his sweet spot at the nation's racetracks, where he relived the glory days of his youth. In his farewell entry at ESPN on Dec. 31, 2014, he noted that "most sports writers have grown up on baseball, football, basketball, maybe hockey, and so they cover what they know -- what they played and watched in youth. I had one more in my background: auto racing. I'd started going to dirt tracks at age 10."

"Ed wasn't just a fine writer, he was a trusted friend. His wife, Snow, was the beacon that drove him to be the best he could be, and his son Tyler was the light of his life," former ESPN.com motorsports editor K. Lee Davis said Saturday. "He was great under pressure, and in racing, there is always immense pressure. Most sports writers don't encounter death all that often in their professional lives, but Ed did, and often. He handled it with grace, tenderness, but always a determination to answer the question of 'why.'

"He wasn't always liked, but he was always respected. He was the best of his generation, and a credit to ESPN."

Associated Press National Auto Racing Writer Jenna Fryer concurred.

"Ed Hinton would not approve any obituary, nothing would meet his standards. He certainly wouldn't stand for one that didn't include sweating, swearing and smoking. Those are facts, and Ed believed in journalism," Fryer said Saturday. "He was the stereotypical sports writer, but he commanded the subjects he covered. He wasn't looking for friends. He was demanding the facts. And he should be remembered for how tough he was on motorsports, particularly surrounding the death of Dale Earnhardt."

As he walked away from the industry at 66 years old, he looked back fondly, in that last story, about covering Bo Jackson, Bear Bryant, Mickey Mantle and Muhammad Ali, but he was never too far from auto racing, and he called his final outlet, ESPN, "more devoted to the subject than any media organization ever."

"It was a hell of a ride being Ed's teammate at ESPN. I had always admired his writing," ESPN senior writer Ryan McGee said Saturday. "I am still flabbergasted at his fearlessness. His work made a lot of people in the close-quarters world of the motorsports paddock uncomfortable because he was always much more worried about writing what he believed than he was worried about hurting feelings. That takes guts. Hinton was made of guts. Even those who disagreed with him can't argue with that."

Hinton, like many career sportswriters, delved into the literary world as well, penning "Daytona: From the Birth of Speed to the Death of the Man in Black," which was released in November 2002.

https://www.espn.com/racing/story/_/id/43755452/former-espn-motorsports-writer-ed-hinton-dies-76
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RIP
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ncsupack1 said:

caryking said:

TheStorm said:

Glasswolf said:

ge_traveler said:

The main problem with Rockingham years ago was the placement of the "spring" race in the schedule. The fall race was usually in November and that race was always good. But, in the early 2000's, NASCAR was trying to expand into other states and Texas got one of the Rockingham slots.....the fall race. That was pretty much the dagger for The Rock. Had they taken the February race instead of the November race, there may have been a chance for survival. But, they were after the money and went after the fall race first, knowing the spring race was already tough on fans.

The "spring" race was tough because it was always the weekend after the Daytona 500. Following Daytona was tough, as a lot of fans had gone to Daytona for speedweek and blown through their money already. The second reason it didn't do well was because it was usually so damn cold. There were some races where we froze our butts off. With the attendance dwindling, it was just a matter of time. The powers-to-be (Bruton Smith) knew this and used it as leverage to move the races to other tracks that he owned and could get better attendance. Like everything, it's always about the money.

The races at The Rock were always good......the fans loved it and so did the drivers. I miss those races! We always camped across the road from the track for both races each year. Good times!
The order use to be Riverside, California, Daytona, Rockingham, Richmond. I have sat with my Dad at both Rockingham and Richmond while it was either sleeting or freezing rain begging for them to postpone the race lol.
For whatever reason, I used to love watching a race in person at Rockingham... I don't know if my ass just loved those concrete bleachers or if it was because you could watch two cars battle side by side around the entire length of the track (probably the latter, lol)... I saw Rusty and Earnhardt go around that track side-by-side somewhere close to 20 straight laps in probably the 1988 Fall Race...
I literally would fall asleep at the Rockingham race.
I've never been, not a fan?
Honestly, I don't even remember the racing at Rockingham any longer. All I remember is falling asleep..
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caryking said:

ncsupack1 said:

caryking said:

TheStorm said:

Glasswolf said:

ge_traveler said:

The main problem with Rockingham years ago was the placement of the "spring" race in the schedule. The fall race was usually in November and that race was always good. But, in the early 2000's, NASCAR was trying to expand into other states and Texas got one of the Rockingham slots.....the fall race. That was pretty much the dagger for The Rock. Had they taken the February race instead of the November race, there may have been a chance for survival. But, they were after the money and went after the fall race first, knowing the spring race was already tough on fans.

The "spring" race was tough because it was always the weekend after the Daytona 500. Following Daytona was tough, as a lot of fans had gone to Daytona for speedweek and blown through their money already. The second reason it didn't do well was because it was usually so damn cold. There were some races where we froze our butts off. With the attendance dwindling, it was just a matter of time. The powers-to-be (Bruton Smith) knew this and used it as leverage to move the races to other tracks that he owned and could get better attendance. Like everything, it's always about the money.

The races at The Rock were always good......the fans loved it and so did the drivers. I miss those races! We always camped across the road from the track for both races each year. Good times!
The order use to be Riverside, California, Daytona, Rockingham, Richmond. I have sat with my Dad at both Rockingham and Richmond while it was either sleeting or freezing rain begging for them to postpone the race lol.
For whatever reason, I used to love watching a race in person at Rockingham... I don't know if my ass just loved those concrete bleachers or if it was because you could watch two cars battle side by side around the entire length of the track (probably the latter, lol)... I saw Rusty and Earnhardt go around that track side-by-side somewhere close to 20 straight laps in probably the 1988 Fall Race...
I literally would fall asleep at the Rockingham race.
I've never been, not a fan?
Honestly, I don't even remember the racing at Rockingham any longer. All I remember is falling asleep..


Fair. I've had some of those at Richmond, I do think that some beer was involved. Lol
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Wolfer79 said:

Ed Hinton, an ESPN senior writer who specialized in motorsports before retiring in 2014, died Thursday at Brookwood Hospital in Birmingham, Alabama. He was 76.

Hinton, who graduated from the University of Southern Mississippi with a degree in journalism, also wrote for Sports Illustrated during a celebrated 47-year career.

Before joining ESPN in 2008, he signed on with the Tribune Company newspaper chain, writing motorsports for the flagship Chicago Tribune, as well as member newspapers such as the Los Angeles Times, Newsday, Baltimore Sun, Orlando Sentinel and South Florida Sun-Sentinel. He was also an editor for a short time in Orlando.

Hinton covered multiple sports and teams throughout his career, but found his sweet spot at the nation's racetracks, where he relived the glory days of his youth. In his farewell entry at ESPN on Dec. 31, 2014, he noted that "most sports writers have grown up on baseball, football, basketball, maybe hockey, and so they cover what they know -- what they played and watched in youth. I had one more in my background: auto racing. I'd started going to dirt tracks at age 10."

"Ed wasn't just a fine writer, he was a trusted friend. His wife, Snow, was the beacon that drove him to be the best he could be, and his son Tyler was the light of his life," former ESPN.com motorsports editor K. Lee Davis said Saturday. "He was great under pressure, and in racing, there is always immense pressure. Most sports writers don't encounter death all that often in their professional lives, but Ed did, and often. He handled it with grace, tenderness, but always a determination to answer the question of 'why.'

"He wasn't always liked, but he was always respected. He was the best of his generation, and a credit to ESPN."

Associated Press National Auto Racing Writer Jenna Fryer concurred.

"Ed Hinton would not approve any obituary, nothing would meet his standards. He certainly wouldn't stand for one that didn't include sweating, swearing and smoking. Those are facts, and Ed believed in journalism," Fryer said Saturday. "He was the stereotypical sports writer, but he commanded the subjects he covered. He wasn't looking for friends. He was demanding the facts. And he should be remembered for how tough he was on motorsports, particularly surrounding the death of Dale Earnhardt."

As he walked away from the industry at 66 years old, he looked back fondly, in that last story, about covering Bo Jackson, Bear Bryant, Mickey Mantle and Muhammad Ali, but he was never too far from auto racing, and he called his final outlet, ESPN, "more devoted to the subject than any media organization ever."

"It was a hell of a ride being Ed's teammate at ESPN. I had always admired his writing," ESPN senior writer Ryan McGee said Saturday. "I am still flabbergasted at his fearlessness. His work made a lot of people in the close-quarters world of the motorsports paddock uncomfortable because he was always much more worried about writing what he believed than he was worried about hurting feelings. That takes guts. Hinton was made of guts. Even those who disagreed with him can't argue with that."

Hinton, like many career sportswriters, delved into the literary world as well, penning "Daytona: From the Birth of Speed to the Death of the Man in Black," which was released in November 2002.

https://www.espn.com/racing/story/_/id/43755452/former-espn-motorsports-writer-ed-hinton-dies-76
Another one of the best to ever do it.
I asked a ref if he could give me a technical foul for thinking bad things about him. He said, of course not. I said, well, I think you stink. And he gave me a technical. You can't trust em.


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Glasswolf said:

Wolfer79 said:

Ed Hinton, an ESPN senior writer who specialized in motorsports before retiring in 2014, died Thursday at Brookwood Hospital in Birmingham, Alabama. He was 76.

Hinton, who graduated from the University of Southern Mississippi with a degree in journalism, also wrote for Sports Illustrated during a celebrated 47-year career.

Before joining ESPN in 2008, he signed on with the Tribune Company newspaper chain, writing motorsports for the flagship Chicago Tribune, as well as member newspapers such as the Los Angeles Times, Newsday, Baltimore Sun, Orlando Sentinel and South Florida Sun-Sentinel. He was also an editor for a short time in Orlando.

Hinton covered multiple sports and teams throughout his career, but found his sweet spot at the nation's racetracks, where he relived the glory days of his youth. In his farewell entry at ESPN on Dec. 31, 2014, he noted that "most sports writers have grown up on baseball, football, basketball, maybe hockey, and so they cover what they know -- what they played and watched in youth. I had one more in my background: auto racing. I'd started going to dirt tracks at age 10."

"Ed wasn't just a fine writer, he was a trusted friend. His wife, Snow, was the beacon that drove him to be the best he could be, and his son Tyler was the light of his life," former ESPN.com motorsports editor K. Lee Davis said Saturday. "He was great under pressure, and in racing, there is always immense pressure. Most sports writers don't encounter death all that often in their professional lives, but Ed did, and often. He handled it with grace, tenderness, but always a determination to answer the question of 'why.'

"He wasn't always liked, but he was always respected. He was the best of his generation, and a credit to ESPN."

Associated Press National Auto Racing Writer Jenna Fryer concurred.

"Ed Hinton would not approve any obituary, nothing would meet his standards. He certainly wouldn't stand for one that didn't include sweating, swearing and smoking. Those are facts, and Ed believed in journalism," Fryer said Saturday. "He was the stereotypical sports writer, but he commanded the subjects he covered. He wasn't looking for friends. He was demanding the facts. And he should be remembered for how tough he was on motorsports, particularly surrounding the death of Dale Earnhardt."

As he walked away from the industry at 66 years old, he looked back fondly, in that last story, about covering Bo Jackson, Bear Bryant, Mickey Mantle and Muhammad Ali, but he was never too far from auto racing, and he called his final outlet, ESPN, "more devoted to the subject than any media organization ever."

"It was a hell of a ride being Ed's teammate at ESPN. I had always admired his writing," ESPN senior writer Ryan McGee said Saturday. "I am still flabbergasted at his fearlessness. His work made a lot of people in the close-quarters world of the motorsports paddock uncomfortable because he was always much more worried about writing what he believed than he was worried about hurting feelings. That takes guts. Hinton was made of guts. Even those who disagreed with him can't argue with that."

Hinton, like many career sportswriters, delved into the literary world as well, penning "Daytona: From the Birth of Speed to the Death of the Man in Black," which was released in November 2002.

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Another one of the best to ever do it.


Agree.
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.@GoBowlingDotCom is joining @SpireMotorsport this NASCAR season and will sponsor @Mc_Driver in this weekend's Daytona 500 and Truck Series race, plus the August Cup event @WGI where the brand serves as title sponsor.
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Finally the start of the real season... looking forward to Sunday!
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caryking said:

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The main problem with Rockingham years ago was the placement of the "spring" race in the schedule. The fall race was usually in November and that race was always good. But, in the early 2000's, NASCAR was trying to expand into other states and Texas got one of the Rockingham slots.....the fall race. That was pretty much the dagger for The Rock. Had they taken the February race instead of the November race, there may have been a chance for survival. But, they were after the money and went after the fall race first, knowing the spring race was already tough on fans.

The "spring" race was tough because it was always the weekend after the Daytona 500. Following Daytona was tough, as a lot of fans had gone to Daytona for speedweek and blown through their money already. The second reason it didn't do well was because it was usually so damn cold. There were some races where we froze our butts off. With the attendance dwindling, it was just a matter of time. The powers-to-be (Bruton Smith) knew this and used it as leverage to move the races to other tracks that he owned and could get better attendance. Like everything, it's always about the money.

The races at The Rock were always good......the fans loved it and so did the drivers. I miss those races! We always camped across the road from the track for both races each year. Good times!
The order use to be Riverside, California, Daytona, Rockingham, Richmond. I have sat with my Dad at both Rockingham and Richmond while it was either sleeting or freezing rain begging for them to postpone the race lol.
For whatever reason, I used to love watching a race in person at Rockingham... I don't know if my ass just loved those concrete bleachers or if it was because you could watch two cars battle side by side around the entire length of the track (probably the latter, lol)... I saw Rusty and Earnhardt go around that track side-by-side somewhere close to 20 straight laps in probably the 1988 Fall Race...
I literally would fall asleep at the Rockingham race.
I've never been, not a fan?
Honestly, I don't even remember the racing at Rockingham any longer. All I remember is falling asleep..
Must have been one of the two races that Kyle had it dialed in and ran away from everybody...

Checked myself: Kyle on the pole 5 out of 6 consecutive races and won 3 of them...
 
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