Oh what could've been...

nryanh94 said:

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WolfpackSI said:

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MarOdoxPhoenician7 said:

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He reminds me of one of those tall white deadly three point shooters that would go to Iowa

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I think you spelled Duke wrong

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When is the last time you watched duke lol

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Admittely, I don't watch much Duke nowadays but Hurts and Baker both look like they good shooters(and tall and white)

WolfpackSI said:

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nryanh94 said:

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WolfpackSI said:

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MarOdoxPhoenician7 said:

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He reminds me of one of those tall white deadly three point shooters that would go to Iowa

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I think you spelled Duke wrong

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When is the last time you watched duke lol

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Admittely, I don't watch much Duke nowadays but Hurts and Baker both look like they good shooters(and tall and white)

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They're definitely good, just not the duke of old

Need those 8 new players to come in and bring new life to this team. Hopefully hall makes it to Raleigh

Packfan8 said:

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Oh what could've been...

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Maybe...he is not storming the G-League. He is not even in the top 75 in either points, assists, rebounds or steals. He has terrible shooting% - FG, 3FG, FT...he has a LONG road to make it to the NBA. Right now he is a lifetime G-League guy.

1985 NCSU Grad said:

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Packfan8 said:

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Oh what could've been...

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Maybe...he is not storming the G-League. He is not even in the top 75 in either points, assists, rebounds or steals. He has terrible shooting% - FG, 3FG, FT...he has a LONG road to make it to the NBA. Right now he is a lifetime G-League guy.

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Well he would be another body to actually play. He's averaging 13 3 and 3 in 25 minutes. We could use some of that

Dunlow66 said:

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Frankcal20 said:

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I don't follow college basketball recruiting. What's the thoughts on the kid Carter Whitt? He basically did almost everything for Leesville (I think) except hit some much needed free throws in OT. But, from a ball handling standpoint, dribble penetration, etc, he seems to be pretty good. Again, this is coming from someone who doesn't follow this at all so excuse me if he's considered an average guy or already committed elsewhere.

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Latest rumor has him looking elsewhere.

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well damn. We need bodies, badly. Shooters, IQ guys...anything. Our current roster structure is rough.

ClePack said:

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Dunlow66 said:

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Frankcal20 said:

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I don't follow college basketball recruiting. What's the thoughts on the kid Carter Whitt? He basically did almost everything for Leesville (I think) except hit some much needed free throws in OT. But, from a ball handling standpoint, dribble penetration, etc, he seems to be pretty good. Again, this is coming from someone who doesn't follow this at all so excuse me if he's considered an average guy or already committed elsewhere.

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Latest rumor has him looking elsewhere.

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well damn. We need bodies, badly. Shooters, IQ guys...anything. Our current roster structure is rough.

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We'll have plenty of body's next year lol, as long as the roster isn't decimated again.

Seniors: DJ, Devon, Braxton
Juniors: Thomas Allen, Jericole,
Soph: Manny, Aj Taylor
Freshman: Seabron, Hall, Hayes, Moore, Farrar, Dowuona

nryanh94 said:

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ClePack said:

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Dunlow66 said:

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Frankcal20 said:

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I don't follow college basketball recruiting. What's the thoughts on the kid Carter Whitt? He basically did almost everything for Leesville (I think) except hit some much needed free throws in OT. But, from a ball handling standpoint, dribble penetration, etc, he seems to be pretty good. Again, this is coming from someone who doesn't follow this at all so excuse me if he's considered an average guy or already committed elsewhere.

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Latest rumor has him looking elsewhere.

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well damn. We need bodies, badly. Shooters, IQ guys...anything. Our current roster structure is rough.

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We'll have plenty of body's next year lol, as long as the roster isn't decimated again.

Seniors: DJ, Devon, Braxton
Juniors: Thomas Allen, Jericole,
Soph: Manny, Aj Taylor
Freshman: Seabron, Hall, Hayes, Moore, Farrar, Dowuona

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Don't be surprised when five of these guys aren't here next year.

curmudgeon.zen said:

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nryanh94 said:

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ClePack said:

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Dunlow66 said:

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Frankcal20 said:

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I don't follow college basketball recruiting. What's the thoughts on the kid Carter Whitt? He basically did almost everything for Leesville (I think) except hit some much needed free throws in OT. But, from a ball handling standpoint, dribble penetration, etc, he seems to be pretty good. Again, this is coming from someone who doesn't follow this at all so excuse me if he's considered an average guy or already committed elsewhere.

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Latest rumor has him looking elsewhere.

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well damn. We need bodies, badly. Shooters, IQ guys...anything. Our current roster structure is rough.

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We'll have plenty of body's next year lol, as long as the roster isn't decimated again.

Seniors: DJ, Devon, Braxton
Juniors: Thomas Allen, Jericole,
Soph: Manny, Aj Taylor
Freshman: Seabron, Hall, Hayes, Moore, Farrar, Dowuona

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Don't be surprised when five of these guys aren't here next year.

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5?!? Hahahahaha

cmball3 said:

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curmudgeon.zen said:

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nryanh94 said:

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ClePack said:

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Dunlow66 said:

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Frankcal20 said:

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I don't follow college basketball recruiting. What's the thoughts on the kid Carter Whitt? He basically did almost everything for Leesville (I think) except hit some much needed free throws in OT. But, from a ball handling standpoint, dribble penetration, etc, he seems to be pretty good. Again, this is coming from someone who doesn't follow this at all so excuse me if he's considered an average guy or already committed elsewhere.

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Latest rumor has him looking elsewhere.

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well damn. We need bodies, badly. Shooters, IQ guys...anything. Our current roster structure is rough.

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We'll have plenty of body's next year lol, as long as the roster isn't decimated again.

Seniors: DJ, Devon, Braxton
Juniors: Thomas Allen, Jericole,
Soph: Manny, Aj Taylor
Freshman: Seabron, Hall, Hayes, Moore, Farrar, Dowuona

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Don't be surprised when five of these guys aren't here next year.

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5?!? Hahahahaha

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3 are highly possible.

AJ, Seabron, DJ. All have been rumored for different reasons.

I saw a lot of people on twitter/Facebook saying that we are bringing in a top 10 class but it doesn't have talent. Just going off of rivals we will have potential 5 freshman ranked in the top 150 including seabron. That's pretty solid. Rivals views hall as a top 25 talent. Seems like a big talent upgrade to me

Seabron has been rumored only because he's an academic redshirt just like Nolley was. There's minutes for him there.

I think dj goes to make money and AJ realizes that he won't be seeing any court time. Maybe a third but it ain't gonna be 5 unless he was counting the seniors.

Right. At least 3 of those guys aren't going to make it to campus (based off past history alone), I just don't believe we are in position where we can be "picky" If a guy is interested in us and in the top 100, take him

ClePack said:

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Right. At least 3 of those guys aren't going to make it to campus (based off past history alone), I just don't believe we are in position where we can be "picky" If a guy is interested in us and in the top 100, take him

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I feel like "based on past history alone" is sort of a gamblers fallacy. Sure there is always a possibility but each player is different and has their own reasons for staying or going.

DJ is leaving to go pro. Yea I can buy that.

AJ is leaving because of a chronic injury. Yea I can buy that.

Seabron is leaving for grades. Yea I can buy that.

Hall is never coming because he can go pro. Yea I can buy that.

We are gonna lose people because I mean thats just what happens. Thats not a reason and we shouldn't just accept that at face value. Sorry thats just starting to become a pet peeve of mine lol.

WolfpackSI said:

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ClePack said:

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Right. At least 3 of those guys aren't going to make it to campus (based off past history alone), I just don't believe we are in position where we can be "picky" If a guy is interested in us and in the top 100, take him

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I feel like "based on past history alone" is sort of a gamblers fallacy. Sure there is always a possibility but each player is different and has their own reasons for staying or going.

DJ is leaving to go pro. Yea I can buy that.

AJ is leaving because of a chronic injury. Yea I can buy that.

Seabron is leaving for grades. Yea I can buy that.

Hall is never coming because he can go pro. Yea I can buy that.

We are gonna lose people because I mean thats just what happens. Thats not a reason and we shouldn't just accept that at face value. Sorry thats just starting to become a pet peeve of mine lol.

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I completely understand your frustration with that mindset. I wish it didn't keep happening to us, but until it changes, I have no reason to believe it will be different this offseason. Others have hinted at it, as well. Attrition is a theme under Keatts until it isn't.

Putting blame on Keatts for transfers is silly. 998 players transferred in D1 last year. That's about 3 per school. UVA is the most stable school in the league, it's safe to say. They had 3 guys transfer out after the 2017 season, then won the NC 2 years later. And then had a guy transfer out right after winning the NC. Attrition is going to happen everywhere, and a lot of people want to make it even easier by making all transfers immediately eligible. It sucks, but I don't think there's anything coaches can do to stop it.

You make good points, the only thing I'd say is that uva had ample depth to survive the transfers. We are struggling mightily with our lack of depth, which is a direct effect of our transfers and poor recruiting. This is why I want us to keep offering kids and don't just assume we'll keep our current roster or even recruits through the offseason. Prepare for once.

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You make good points, the only thing I'd say is that uva had ample depth to survive the transfers. We are struggling mightily with our lack of depth, which is a direct effect of our transfers and poor recruiting. This is why I want us to keep offering kids and don't just assume we'll keep our current roster or even recruits through the offseason. Prepare for once.

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And Bennett was in his 8th year. Not his 3rd.

cmball3 said:

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ClePack said:

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You make good points, the only thing I'd say is that uva had ample depth to survive the transfers. We are struggling mightily with our lack of depth, which is a direct effect of our transfers and poor recruiting. This is why I want us to keep offering kids and don't just assume we'll keep our current roster or even recruits through the offseason. Prepare for once.

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And Bennett was in his 8th year. Not his 3rd.

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Took Hamilton a while to get going at FSU as well. We know we've got a good coach here in Kevin Keatts, let's give him the time he needs to build his program.

That being said, our fanbase is full of people who act like entitled children so I'm sure people will complain endlessly if he doesn't win now.

Roosevelt Wheeler has picked up an offer from Louisville

Hear Roy and the baby blues are going to see Styles tomorrow night. KK get ready for a battle.

nryanh94 said:

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ClePack said:

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Dunlow66 said:

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Frankcal20 said:

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I don't follow college basketball recruiting. What's the thoughts on the kid Carter Whitt? He basically did almost everything for Leesville (I think) except hit some much needed free throws in OT. But, from a ball handling standpoint, dribble penetration, etc, he seems to be pretty good. Again, this is coming from someone who doesn't follow this at all so excuse me if he's considered an average guy or already committed elsewhere.

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Latest rumor has him looking elsewhere.

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well damn. We need bodies, badly. Shooters, IQ guys...anything. Our current roster structure is rough.

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.They will probably all know each other's names by February.............

We'll have plenty of body's next year lol, as long as the roster isn't decimated again.

Seniors: DJ, Devon, Braxton
Juniors: Thomas Allen, Jericole,
Soph: Manny, Aj Taylor
Freshman: Seabron, Hall, Hayes, Moore, Farrar, Dowuona

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I think KK is a great coach and he gets 5 years to build his program before I start saying that we should look at other options.

That being said, I am still supremely pissed about the UNC loss. I think the reason I was pissed was because I felt like I was watching a Mark Gottfried coached team again. The thing I loved most about KK's team at UNCW and his first year at NC State is that they played HARD. Particularly in year 1, we were never the best team our guys gave a ton of effort and caused lots of deflections that led to fast breaks. Guys like Torin, Nard, Al Freeman, Kell, Bev played with a certain intensity and fire. Our guys were superiorly conditioned and outran and caused deflections left and right. Then somewhere around ACC play last season there was a shift and I just havent seen a true Kevin Keatts product on the floor since. Is it a talent issue? Is it a depth issue? Is it a conditioning/injury issue? Is it an entitlement issue? I'm really not sure. Is it just me or are you guys seeing the same thing?

WolfpackSI said:

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I think KK is a great coach and he gets 5 years to build his program before I start saying that we should look at other options.

That being said, I am still supremely pissed about the UNC loss. I think the reason I was pissed was because I felt like I was watching a Mark Gottfried coached team again. The thing I loved most about KK's team at UNCW and his first year at NC State is that they played HARD. Particularly in year 1, we were never the best team our guys gave a ton of effort and caused lots of deflections that led to fast breaks. Guys like Torin, Nard, Al Freeman, Kell, Bev played with a certain intensity and fire. Our guys were superiorly conditioned and outran and caused deflections left and right. Then somewhere around ACC play last season there was a shift and I just havent seen a true Kevin Keatts product on the floor since. Is it a talent issue? Is it a depth issue? Is it a conditioning/injury issue? Is it an entitlement issue? I'm really not sure. Is it just me or are you guys seeing the same thing?

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Absolutely, and who knows, it could be a coaching issue, also. Not saying it is, but I don't think we're holding everyone accountable here.

Anyway, Stylez looks to be gone from our grasp now, I wonder where the staff turns their attention to now...

If Styles goes to UNC, offer Van der Heijden and lock in on him, kid has great size, length and athleticism, is an unbelievable shooter and a solid and willing passer. Not saying he'll be as good, but the kid reminds me of Sam Dekker from Wisconsin

It's weird to see Shaq's kid draining 3's and making free throws.

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"NC State. The Wolfpack are the team to beat for four-star junior Roosevelt Wheeler. They have invested the most into his recruitment and is the only program to have already hosted him on an official visit. Just two weeks ago, we reported the news that Kevin Keatts was on hand for one of Wheeler's games and I would expect for Wheeler to remain their top big man priority in the 2021 class. Will that lead to an early commitment?

I am not sure but I am fairly certain that the Wolfpack have already laid the groundwork that might lead to the John Marshall High product playing for Keatts in Raleigh. Georgetown, Kansas, Miami, Providence and Virginia Tech sit among the others that have offered."
Corey Evans on wheeler

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This is awesome, also if we land wheeler, would we also take quincy allen if he wanted to come?

Packfan8 said:

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"NC State. The Wolfpack are the team to beat for four-star junior Roosevelt Wheeler. They have invested the most into his recruitment and is the only program to have already hosted him on an official visit. Just two weeks ago, we reported the news that Kevin Keatts was on hand for one of Wheeler's games and I would expect for Wheeler to remain their top big man priority in the 2021 class. Will that lead to an early commitment?

I am not sure but I am fairly certain that the Wolfpack have already laid the groundwork that might lead to the John Marshall High product playing for Keatts in Raleigh. Georgetown, Kansas, Miami, Providence and Virginia Tech sit among the others that have offered."
Corey Evans on wheeler

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Dont be surprised if Wheeler ends up at Louisville or another program.

I love his game and hope we land him. Just not sure we get this one.

so for 2021, we are looking at Pass (football and basketball), have Smith (SG), recruiting Styles (SF) and Wheeler (C). Based on current roster, we have 2 to give (BB, DJF, DD) since we self-imposed a reduction of 1 scholarship? ASsuming another opening at least, I would suspect we will sign four. Any thoughts on others? I know UNC is starting to like Styles.

oceanclub said:

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so for 2021, we are looking at Pass (football and basketball), have Smith (SG), recruiting Styles (SF) and Wheeler (C). Based on current roster, we have 2 to give (BB, DJF, DD) since we self-imposed a reduction of 1 scholarship? ASsuming another opening at least, I would suspect we will sign four. Any thoughts on others? I know UNC is starting to like Styles.

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Are we still on quincy allen?

oceanclub said:

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so for 2021, we are looking at Pass (football and basketball), have Smith (SG), recruiting Styles (SF) and Wheeler (C). Based on current roster, we have 2 to give (BB, DJF, DD) since we self-imposed a reduction of 1 scholarship? ASsuming another opening at least, I would suspect we will sign four. Any thoughts on others? I know UNC is starting to like Styles.

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We will currently have 2 scholarships available (subject to change) because of the self imposed reduction, and 1 is taken by Smith

^ what about McDonald?.........is his game too similiar to Smith?