ANC Govt of South Africa votes to confiscate white-owned land without compensation

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So this happened about a month ago. But the Establishment media in the United States essentially ignored it and swept it under the rug. What a shocker, I know. I wonder why they are doing that? Hmmmm

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As stated in the article above, the man who pushed this land confiscation measure stated in 2016 that he was "not calling for the slaughter of white people, at least for now".

By the way, the African National Congress (ANC) that rules South Africa is a Marxist party.



CaliforniaWolf
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wow.

Do two wrongs make a right?
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If I was living there I would get out now.
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CaliforniaWolf said:

wow.

Do two wrongs make a right?
As I understand, white South Africans make the argument that no "wrong" was made, in regards to land ownership in the nation. Apparently, prior to Dutch colonization in the 1600s of the land that makes up South Africa, the vast majority of that land was essentially uninhabited. Maybe there was a very small population consisting of a few nomadic tribes here and there, I don't know for sure. It was not until after the Dutch and British established the colony that black Africans moved into the area in mass.

The same is true of the land in the United States. European settlers did not just "steal all the land". The vast majority of the land was uninhabited. Many indian tribes were nomadic and did not even believe that land could be owned, and did not claim ownership of the land. And much of the land was purchased from indian tribes -- such as the Dutch buying the island of Manhattan in New York. Yes, some land was "taken", but most often that was after wars which were most often started by war-like indian tribes initiating a conflict with the Europeans.
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GuerrillaPack said:

CaliforniaWolf said:

wow.

Do two wrongs make a right?
As I understand, white South Africans make the argument that no "wrong" was made, in regards to land ownership in the nation. Apparently, prior to Dutch colonization in the 1600s of the land that makes up South Africa, the vast majority of that land was essentially uninhabited. Maybe there was a very small population consisting of a few nomadic tribes here and there, I don't know for sure. It was not until after the Dutch and British established the colony that black Africans moved into the area in mass.

The same is true of the land in the United States. European settlers did not just "steal all the land". The vast majority of the land was uninhabited. Many indian tribes were nomadic and did not even believe that land could be owned, and did not claim ownership of the land. And much of the land was purchased from indian tribes -- such as the Dutch buying the island of Manhattan in New York. Yes, some land was "taken", but most often that was after wars which were most often started by war-like indian tribes initiating a conflict with the Europeans.


Not sure I should even respond to your threads but I will here. You are totally wrong about the Indian tribes and then having someone buy their land. Your threads are somewhat strange to me but that is my opinion and you're entitled to your opinions and thoughts. Very, very little of the land that made the USA what it is was bought from Indians. It was bought from the French, etc but was, for the huge majority, taken from the Indian tribes. That was one of the reasons why the tribes joined and tried to stop the take away but were unsuccessful and failed, which resulted in even more land taken from them and led to the trail of tears.
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RunsWithWolves26 said:





Not sure I should even respond to your threads but I will here. You are totally wrong about the Indian tribes and then having someone buy their land. Your threads are somewhat strange to me but that is my opinion and you're entitled to your opinions and thoughts. Very, very little of the land that made the USA what it is was bought from Indians. It was bought from the French, etc but was, for the huge majority, taken from the Indian tribes. That was one of the reasons why the tribes joined and tried to stop the take away but were unsuccessful and failed, which resulted in even more land taken from them and led to the trail of tears.
I didn't say that all of the land was purchased from indians. But it is a fact that much of it was, including the example I cited of the purchase of the island of Manhattan by the Dutch. With just a quick 2 minute search, I also found this example: land in Oregon purchased from indians.

It's a mix of a lot of things -- much of the land uninhabited and not claimed by indians, some of it purchased, and some of it taken (in wars, etc). It's not as simple as saying "the evil European settlers stole all the land". That's a false narrative by Leftists who seek to demonize the United States as a nation and its founders.

Also, the various indian tribes were fighting against each other over land long before Europeans came. So even those tribes that "owned" some land had taken it from other people. The history of mankind on earth is of groups of people conquering others and taking their land. The "rightful" owners are usually just those groups who are most powerful and successful at conquest. So the question is, why should only white/European peoples be demonized for this? Why not vilify the Apaches for taking land from the Peublo tribe (a hypothetical), or whatever? But then you go back further, and find out that those Pueblos took the land from some other tribe.
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South Africa begins seizing white-owned farms
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GuerrillaPack said:




Also, the various indian tribes were fighting against each other over land long before Europeans came. So even those tribes that "owned" some land had taken it from other people. The history of mankind on earth is of groups of people conquering others and taking their land. The "rightful" owners are usually just those groups who are most powerful and successful at conquest. So the question is, why should only white/European peoples be demonized for this? Why not vilify the Apaches for taking land from the Peublo tribe (a hypothetical), or whatever? But then you go back further, and find out that those Pueblos took the land from some other tribe.
I echo RWW sentiments about responding but at that risk, couldn't the above be used against your own conclusions? ANC = "most powerful and successful at conquest?" You just said "the history of mankind on earth is of groups of people conquering others and taking their land." If that is the standard, then that is what the ANC is doing here (and they are paying for the land as well, although not to market value, but you did fail to mention this), whether you or I feel it is right or wrong.
Y'all means ALL.
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PackBacker07 said:

GuerrillaPack said:




Also, the various indian tribes were fighting against each other over land long before Europeans came. So even those tribes that "owned" some land had taken it from other people. The history of mankind on earth is of groups of people conquering others and taking their land. The "rightful" owners are usually just those groups who are most powerful and successful at conquest. So the question is, why should only white/European peoples be demonized for this? Why not vilify the Apaches for taking land from the Peublo tribe (a hypothetical), or whatever? But then you go back further, and find out that those Pueblos took the land from some other tribe.
I echo RWW sentiments about responding but at that risk, couldn't the above be used against your own conclusions? ANC = "most powerful and successful at conquest?" You just said "the history of mankind on earth is of groups of people conquering others and taking their land." If that is the standard, then that is what the ANC is doing here (and they are paying for the land as well, although not to market value, but you did fail to mention this), whether you or I feel it is right or wrong.

My statement about the general history of conquest on earth was not meant to be normative, but rather descriptive. The reality is that, throughout history, humans have behaved in a "tribalistic" manner, conquering other tribes/races. That's just the way it is, regardless of whether anyone thinks it should be that way or not.

And the perceived "hypocrisy" cuts both ways. For instance, many "liberals" seem to have no problem with Mexicans taking over the American southwest and engaging in a "reconquista" for Mexico. And most seem to support black South Africans confiscating land from whites. Also, most leftists apparently have no objection to muslims invading and taking over European countries right now. Yet, liberals scream "racism" and call it "evil" when Europeans colonized Africa, or when Europeans settled in the Americas.

So on this issue of group conquest of land area, most people act in a "racialist" or "tribalist" manner. In general, it seems that racial identity is the most important factor in explaining a whole range of human behavior and beliefs.

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SJW moron with the HuffPost who covers "hate and extremism" would have us believe that the persecution of whites in South Africa is "non-existent":

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Leftist Buzzfeed hack smears those who object to the persecution of whites in South Africa are as "white supremacists", effectively:





If "white supremacy" is now defined as objecting to racism and persecution of white people, then perhaps "racial nationalism" and this "white supremacy" is not the "evil" that the Leftist Lamestream media and Establishment would have us believe it is.
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And you can verify that those Twitter posters actually live in South Africa? Even if they are not just trolls and actually do live in South Africa, they are playing word games to try to deny what is happening.

They could "technically" say that the confiscation of white-owned land has "not occurred" because it has just begun. The government of South Africa just recently began the process of enacting it by law. NOW it is starting.

These are the facts: the communist government of South Africa is moving to confiscate white-owned land. This has been reported by major newspapers. Top government officials are on video saying that they want to confiscate white-owned land, and that they are moving to do it. Nelson Mandela and other communist government officials are on video years ago chanting "kill the Boer" (and "Boer" is a South African term referring to white farmers).

And it is a fact that there is large-scale murders of white farmers, that has been occurring for many years. And those murders are fueled by the statements of top communist government officials who call for the killing of whites. Now, whether you want to call it a "genocide" or not is semantics.

This is certainly the beginnings of what could be rightly classified as a "genocide"....when you have a black-controlled communist government officials openly calling for killing whites, then that government enacts by law the confiscation of white-owned land, and there are large-scale mass murders of white farmers.

This is the reality. But people are so entrenched in their ideology that they want to deny facts and reality that does not fit their view of the world. So they live in denial of reality and invent a fantasy-world that is the opposite of reality.

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If I was afraid and weak-minded, I would kowtow to whatever the powers-that-be in the government, Establishment, and Lamestream media force feed me to believe. I would submit to these supposed "all-knowing" and "ever-benevolent" self-proclaimed "authorities" that we have in our society...and parrot their communist/Leftist belief system.

Now, I realize how "brave" and "intelligent" one must be to just go along with whatever the Establishment and Fakestream commie media spoon feeds us and tells us to believe.

So yes....I'm so "afraid" of the Establishment and their Leftist political correctness that I dare to question them, and openly call them liars. Forgive me for being so afraid of them.
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Oppose suffering and injustice?

Like communist government officials openly calling for the killing of white farmers, and then moving by law to confiscate white-owned land?
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GuerrillaPack said:

Oppose suffering and injustice?

Like communist government officials openly calling for the killing of white farmers, and then moving by law to confiscate white-owned land?


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Wolfer79 said:

GuerrillaPack said:

Oppose suffering and injustice?

Like communist government officials openly calling for the killing of white farmers, and then moving by law to confiscate white-owned land?



I can repost stuff too...

And you can verify that those Twitter posters actually live in South Africa? Even if they are not just trolls and actually do live in South Africa, they are playing word games to try to deny what is happening.

They could "technically" say that the confiscation of white-owned land has "not occurred" because it has just begun. The government of South Africa just recently began the process of enacting it by law. NOW it is starting.

These are the facts: the communist government of South Africa is moving to confiscate white-owned land. This has been reported by major newspapers. Top government officials are on video saying that they want to confiscate white-owned land, and that they are moving to do it. Nelson Mandela and other communist government officials are on video years ago chanting "kill the Boer" (and "Boer" is a South African term referring to white farmers).

And it is a fact that there is large-scale murders of white farmers, that has been occurring for many years. And those murders are fueled by the statements of top communist government officials who call for the killing of whites. Now, whether you want to call it a "genocide" or not is semantics.

This is certainly the beginnings of what could be rightly classified as a "genocide"....when you have a black-controlled communist government officials openly calling for killing whites, then that government enacts by law the confiscation of white-owned land, and there are large-scale mass murders of white farmers.

This is the reality. But people are so entrenched in their ideology that they want to deny facts and reality that does not fit their view of the world. So they live in denial of reality and invent a fantasy-world that is the opposite of reality.
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GuerrillaPack said:

Oppose suffering and injustice?

Like communist government officials openly calling for the killing of white farmers, and then moving by law to confiscate white-owned land?


Does it bother you that the nation of Israel has illegally taken land of Palestinian Christians?
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Wolfer79 said:

GuerrillaPack said:

Oppose suffering and injustice?

Like communist government officials openly calling for the killing of white farmers, and then moving by law to confiscate white-owned land?


Does it bother you that the nation of Israel has illegally taken land of Palestinian Christians?
I don't believe that the Israelis or the Palestinians are the rightful owners of that land.

In general, though, I staunchly oppose the jewish nation of Israel.
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The ADL???

lmfao
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GuerrillaPack said:

The ADL???

lmfao


Glad I made you laugh.

White genocide in South Africa still is a political myth.
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Wolfer79 said:

GuerrillaPack said:

The ADL???

lmfao


Glad I made you laugh.

White genocide in South Africa still is a political myth.
You are playing semantics with the word "genocide". The reality is that there are murders of white farmers taking place on a large scale. Whether it "technically" is a "genocide" (according to the accepted definition of that term) is playing word games.

Is it a "myth" that the communist government of South Africa is moving to confiscate white-owned land??
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GuerrillaPack said:

Wolfer79 said:

GuerrillaPack said:

The ADL???

lmfao


Glad I made you laugh.

White genocide in South Africa still is a political myth.
You are playing semantics with the word "genocide". The reality is that there are murders of white farmers taking place on a large scale. Whether it "technically" is a "genocide" (according to the accepted definition of that term) is playing word games.

Is it a "myth" that the communist government of South Africa is moving to confiscate white-owned land??


Since the South African government is not comminist, yes it is a myth.

However, South Africa is undergoing land reform due to land taken from blacks under apartheid is not a myth, but from the majority of articles I can this is being done in accordance with South Africa Constitution.
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Wolfer79 said:

GuerrillaPack said:

Wolfer79 said:

GuerrillaPack said:

The ADL???

lmfao


Glad I made you laugh.

White genocide in South Africa still is a political myth.
You are playing semantics with the word "genocide". The reality is that there are murders of white farmers taking place on a large scale. Whether it "technically" is a "genocide" (according to the accepted definition of that term) is playing word games.

Is it a "myth" that the communist government of South Africa is moving to confiscate white-owned land??


Since the South African government is not comminist, yes it is a myth.

However, South Africa is undergoing land reform due to land taken from blacks under apartheid is not a myth, but from the majority of articles I can this is being done in accordance with South Africa Constitution.



Talk about denial of reality. The ANC is openly and blatantly communist.

And whites FOUNDED South Africa. 400 years ago, there were hardly any blacks living in the area that is now South Africa. Dutch settlers founded the country, and then black Africans immigrated to the area after that looking for jobs, etc.
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GuerrillaPack said:

Wolfer79 said:

GuerrillaPack said:

Wolfer79 said:

GuerrillaPack said:

The ADL???

lmfao


Glad I made you laugh.

White genocide in South Africa still is a political myth.
You are playing semantics with the word "genocide". The reality is that there are murders of white farmers taking place on a large scale. Whether it "technically" is a "genocide" (according to the accepted definition of that term) is playing word games.

Is it a "myth" that the communist government of South Africa is moving to confiscate white-owned land??


Since the South African government is not comminist, yes it is a myth.

However, South Africa is undergoing land reform due to land taken from blacks under apartheid is not a myth, but from the majority of articles I can this is being done in accordance with South Africa Constitution.



Talk about denial of reality. The ANC is openly and blatantly communist.

And whites FOUNDED South Africa. 400 years ago, there were hardly any blacks living in the area that is now South Africa. Dutch settlers founded the country, and then black Africans immigrated to the area after that looking for jobs, etc.


Twice I made you laugh today.

It will be a good weekend.
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This is Julius Malema, the leader of the EFF Party, and the man who proposed the law to confiscate white-owned land in the South African Parliament.

In this video, he says they are "cutting the throat of whiteness".





The EFF Party is the 3rd largest party in the South African Parliament.

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Nelson Mandela singing a song saying "kill the whites" with his communist comrades:




Nelson Mandela is not some "saint", as our communist-run Western Lamestream media would have you believe. Want to know the truth about Nelson Mandela? He was a communist terrorist who was responsible for murdering dozens of people in terrorist acts, including a car bomb that killed 19 people. He literally created an militant wing of the ANC party, devoted to commiting acts of violence. That's why he was sent to prison.

"The dark side of Nelson Mandela"
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/opinion/the-dark-side-of-nelson-mandela/news-story/68f4acdbf2b0b4e6c799e458a55e6cb2
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