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In reply to Wlfpk81 • 10:12a
Wlfpk81 said:
few thoughts...

- Congrats to the Republicans. that was more than just a statement.

- i spent most of the night bouncing around between the 3 main networks and the energy shift in the studios were palpable. CNN actually did a decent job of holding together some neutrality but msnbc was like walking the green mile.

- trump could replace 2-4 justices in his next term which i think is a topic that dem's missed out on

- Polls and the MSM. were both cancelled last night?


The media should have been cancelled a decade ago . I think it's battered women syndrome, despite being lied to over and over again democrats keep returning to the same sources - MSNBC, CNN, NYT, WAPO.

Republicans and moderates learned to find valuable alternatives at substack , twitter , podcasts etc and left traditional media behind . Dems seem to enjoy being lied to and told what they want to hear .

I will give an olive branch to Civ and Smarty . Having debates is a good thing . It's why freedom of speech is so important .

God speed
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10:20a
If CNN got rid of Jake Tapper, I might honestly believe they are mostly bi-partisan.

Tapper belongs on MSNBC alongside Joy Reid.
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In reply to El Lobo Loco • 10:23a
El Lobo Loco said:
Civilized said:
Wufpack17 said:
Civilized said:
packgrad said:
Civilized said:
packgrad said:
Democrats wanted Trump. They ran ads for him in the primary. They thought they could run their weekend at Bernie's candidate out there and their minions would vote for him again. Their minions would have , but they realized after the debate that wouldn't be enough. So then they usurped their elected candidate and installed their weekend at Bernie's 2 candidate. They tried hiding her. They kept her to a script. Few but only friendly interviews. They dug in on their antisemitic position by not choosing Shapiro.

An absolute disaster all the way around that is reflective of their poor leadership, decision making, and how much they value the American voter.

Republicans lost three straight elections because they kept running losing MAGA candidates out there.

So obviously you must think that was reflective of the Republicans' poor leadership and decision-making and how little Republicans value the American voter?


Isn't that what you said over and over and over? Hahaha. Shoe is on the other foot now. Take your medicine.

Just kidding. I know you won't. You're pretty consistent in your hypocrisy.

Losing three straight elections, all for similar reasons, is a fairly large and consistent sample.

This election was mostly a repudiation of the Biden economy. Harris started 3.5 months ago deeply underwater in approval, and somehow got it back to almost a coin flip.

Trump winning this election was the easy part, now he's got to actually govern.

Get back to me at mid-terms, or after Vance wins in 2028, and let's assess party leadership and decision-making and valuing voters.

The good news for us all, as always, is either Trump and Vance kill it, in which case we're all winning, or they don't, and voters can go a different direction in 4 years.


The fact that Republicans are likely to control the government, is a damming statement on the current status of the democrat party. It has gone so far left that moderate dems are voting republican.

Dems need to rid themselves of the radicals that have taken control.

Really?

Which radicals have taken control?
This could be like that crazy relative question. Every family has one and if you can't identify them then it's probably you.
I said it numerous times before. Dems will never win an election running on abortion alone. They had nothing to run on this time, so they went all in on "women's rights" as if every woman in this country thinks the same.

People are surprised that Trump did well with Latinos. Why? Latino's are deeply catholic, church going people. Kamala is blasting TV screens with abortion scare tactics. How does that resonate with deeply religious people?
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In reply to Oldsouljer • 10:27a
Oldsouljer said:
FlossyDFlynt said:
Im not surprised Trump won. However I am very surprised that (at least as of now) hes going to take the popular vote as well.
Some people call that a mandate.
I think its more of a referendum on the current administration. There gonna be a lot of think pieces on why Trump won, but I think it boils down to the old adage:

"Its the economy, stupid"
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In reply to Wufpack17 • 10:28a
Wufpack17 said:
El Lobo Loco said:
Civilized said:
Wufpack17 said:
Civilized said:
packgrad said:
Civilized said:
packgrad said:
Democrats wanted Trump. They ran ads for him in the primary. They thought they could run their weekend at Bernie's candidate out there and their minions would vote for him again. Their minions would have , but they realized after the debate that wouldn't be enough. So then they usurped their elected candidate and installed their weekend at Bernie's 2 candidate. They tried hiding her. They kept her to a script. Few but only friendly interviews. They dug in on their antisemitic position by not choosing Shapiro.

An absolute disaster all the way around that is reflective of their poor leadership, decision making, and how much they value the American voter.

Republicans lost three straight elections because they kept running losing MAGA candidates out there.

So obviously you must think that was reflective of the Republicans' poor leadership and decision-making and how little Republicans value the American voter?


Isn't that what you said over and over and over? Hahaha. Shoe is on the other foot now. Take your medicine.

Just kidding. I know you won't. You're pretty consistent in your hypocrisy.

Losing three straight elections, all for similar reasons, is a fairly large and consistent sample.

This election was mostly a repudiation of the Biden economy. Harris started 3.5 months ago deeply underwater in approval, and somehow got it back to almost a coin flip.

Trump winning this election was the easy part, now he's got to actually govern.

Get back to me at mid-terms, or after Vance wins in 2028, and let's assess party leadership and decision-making and valuing voters.

The good news for us all, as always, is either Trump and Vance kill it, in which case we're all winning, or they don't, and voters can go a different direction in 4 years.


The fact that Republicans are likely to control the government, is a damming statement on the current status of the democrat party. It has gone so far left that moderate dems are voting republican.

Dems need to rid themselves of the radicals that have taken control.

Really?

Which radicals have taken control?
This could be like that crazy relative question. Every family has one and if you can't identify them then it's probably you.
I said it numerous times before. Dems will never win an election running on abortion alone. They had nothing to run on this time, so they went all in on "women's rights" as if every woman in this country thinks the same.


Do you mean "We know you're having a hard time feeding your children but we think it's more important that your daughters are able to abort their future children. And other countries have inflation too." isn't a good platform to win the presidency?
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In reply to FlossyDFlynt • 10:30a
FlossyDFlynt said:
Oldsouljer said:
FlossyDFlynt said:
Im not surprised Trump won. However I am very surprised that (at least as of now) hes going to take the popular vote as well.
Some people call that a mandate.
I think its more of a referendum on the current administration. There gonna be a lot of think pieces on why Trump won, but I think it boils down to the old adage:

"Its the economy, stupid"
Minority co-worker of mine who voted Trump (surprisingly). His comment to me? "I'm a minority in the tech industry, and I'm struggling to find another job".

Between this and people seeing the price at the register, you can't convince people the economy is doing well. It isn't. No matter what lipstick they have tried to put on the pig, people have seen through it.

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In reply to Wufpack17 • 10:30a
Wufpack17 said:
Civilized said:
Wufpack17 said:
Civilized said:
packgrad said:
Civilized said:
packgrad said:
Democrats wanted Trump. They ran ads for him in the primary. They thought they could run their weekend at Bernie's candidate out there and their minions would vote for him again. Their minions would have , but they realized after the debate that wouldn't be enough. So then they usurped their elected candidate and installed their weekend at Bernie's 2 candidate. They tried hiding her. They kept her to a script. Few but only friendly interviews. They dug in on their antisemitic position by not choosing Shapiro.

An absolute disaster all the way around that is reflective of their poor leadership, decision making, and how much they value the American voter.

Republicans lost three straight elections because they kept running losing MAGA candidates out there.

So obviously you must think that was reflective of the Republicans' poor leadership and decision-making and how little Republicans value the American voter?


Isn't that what you said over and over and over? Hahaha. Shoe is on the other foot now. Take your medicine.

Just kidding. I know you won't. You're pretty consistent in your hypocrisy.

Losing three straight elections, all for similar reasons, is a fairly large and consistent sample.

This election was mostly a repudiation of the Biden economy. Harris started 3.5 months ago deeply underwater in approval, and somehow got it back to almost a coin flip.

Trump winning this election was the easy part, now he's got to actually govern.

Get back to me at mid-terms, or after Vance wins in 2028, and let's assess party leadership and decision-making and valuing voters.

The good news for us all, as always, is either Trump and Vance kill it, in which case we're all winning, or they don't, and voters can go a different direction in 4 years.


The fact that Republicans are likely to control the government, is a damming statement on the current status of the democrat party. It has gone so far left that moderate dems are voting republican.

Dems need to rid themselves of the radicals that have taken control.

Really?

Which radicals have taken control?
They literally just ran Kamala Harris.

Which policies was she promoting that were radical?

I'm talking specific policies, not anecdotal fantasies.
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In reply to Civilized • 10:36a
Civilized said:
Wufpack17 said:
Civilized said:
Wufpack17 said:
Civilized said:
packgrad said:
Civilized said:
packgrad said:
Democrats wanted Trump. They ran ads for him in the primary. They thought they could run their weekend at Bernie's candidate out there and their minions would vote for him again. Their minions would have , but they realized after the debate that wouldn't be enough. So then they usurped their elected candidate and installed their weekend at Bernie's 2 candidate. They tried hiding her. They kept her to a script. Few but only friendly interviews. They dug in on their antisemitic position by not choosing Shapiro.

An absolute disaster all the way around that is reflective of their poor leadership, decision making, and how much they value the American voter.

Republicans lost three straight elections because they kept running losing MAGA candidates out there.

So obviously you must think that was reflective of the Republicans' poor leadership and decision-making and how little Republicans value the American voter?


Isn't that what you said over and over and over? Hahaha. Shoe is on the other foot now. Take your medicine.

Just kidding. I know you won't. You're pretty consistent in your hypocrisy.

Losing three straight elections, all for similar reasons, is a fairly large and consistent sample.

This election was mostly a repudiation of the Biden economy. Harris started 3.5 months ago deeply underwater in approval, and somehow got it back to almost a coin flip.

Trump winning this election was the easy part, now he's got to actually govern.

Get back to me at mid-terms, or after Vance wins in 2028, and let's assess party leadership and decision-making and valuing voters.

The good news for us all, as always, is either Trump and Vance kill it, in which case we're all winning, or they don't, and voters can go a different direction in 4 years.


The fact that Republicans are likely to control the government, is a damming statement on the current status of the democrat party. It has gone so far left that moderate dems are voting republican.

Dems need to rid themselves of the radicals that have taken control.

Really?

Which radicals have taken control?
They literally just ran Kamala Harris.

Which policies was she promoting that were radical?

I'm talking specific policies, not anecdotal fantasies.
-Inflation "reduction" act, along with other massive spending that is directly tied to our inflation issues

-Co-led with Radical AOC - New Green Deal

-Co -Led with Bernie Sanders - Medicare for All

-Voting record has been anti-Israel

- Border

Do I need to continue?
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In reply to FlossyDFlynt • 10:39a
FlossyDFlynt said:
Oldsouljer said:
FlossyDFlynt said:
Im not surprised Trump won. However I am very surprised that (at least as of now) hes going to take the popular vote as well.
Some people call that a mandate.
I think its more of a referendum on the current administration. There gonna be a lot of think pieces on why Trump won, but I think it boils down to the old adage:

"Its the economy, stupid"

Agree.

This is principally a referendum on the economy. It was an unrecoverable issue for Biden/Harris evidently.

Most of these other breathless hot takes are just resulting, and filling in the blank with Mad Libs indictments of the left.

Most everyone in the country wants and needs affordable health care.

Most of the country still agrees with sensible, legal abortion.

Most of the country still wants to actively support Ukraine and Israel and our other allies.

Most of the country cares about democracy.

This was a vote for change. A lot of people were frustrated.

The country is tired of the left and Biden/Harris.

When Trump's successor is running as a defacto incumbent in 2028, then they'll likely be tired of him and whatever his flaws are too.

That's why change candidates around the globe have had such success running against incumbent leaders and their parties in recent years.
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In reply to Wufpack17 • 10:41a
Wufpack17 said:
Civilized said:
Wufpack17 said:
Civilized said:
Wufpack17 said:
Civilized said:
packgrad said:
Civilized said:
packgrad said:
Democrats wanted Trump. They ran ads for him in the primary. They thought they could run their weekend at Bernie's candidate out there and their minions would vote for him again. Their minions would have , but they realized after the debate that wouldn't be enough. So then they usurped their elected candidate and installed their weekend at Bernie's 2 candidate. They tried hiding her. They kept her to a script. Few but only friendly interviews. They dug in on their antisemitic position by not choosing Shapiro.

An absolute disaster all the way around that is reflective of their poor leadership, decision making, and how much they value the American voter.

Republicans lost three straight elections because they kept running losing MAGA candidates out there.

So obviously you must think that was reflective of the Republicans' poor leadership and decision-making and how little Republicans value the American voter?


Isn't that what you said over and over and over? Hahaha. Shoe is on the other foot now. Take your medicine.

Just kidding. I know you won't. You're pretty consistent in your hypocrisy.

Losing three straight elections, all for similar reasons, is a fairly large and consistent sample.

This election was mostly a repudiation of the Biden economy. Harris started 3.5 months ago deeply underwater in approval, and somehow got it back to almost a coin flip.

Trump winning this election was the easy part, now he's got to actually govern.

Get back to me at mid-terms, or after Vance wins in 2028, and let's assess party leadership and decision-making and valuing voters.

The good news for us all, as always, is either Trump and Vance kill it, in which case we're all winning, or they don't, and voters can go a different direction in 4 years.


The fact that Republicans are likely to control the government, is a damming statement on the current status of the democrat party. It has gone so far left that moderate dems are voting republican.

Dems need to rid themselves of the radicals that have taken control.

Really?

Which radicals have taken control?
They literally just ran Kamala Harris.

Which policies was she promoting that were radical?

I'm talking specific policies, not anecdotal fantasies.
-Inflation "reduction" act, along with other massive spending that is directly tied to our inflation issues

-Co-led with Radical AOC - New Green Deal

-Co -Led with Bernie Sanders - Medicare for All

-Voting record has been anti-Israel

- Border

Do I need to continue?

Yes you need to continue. None of this stuff is stuff she was promoting as the 2024 candidate.

Biden's policies weren't radical and Harris' wouldn't have been either.
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In reply to Civilized • 10:45a
Civilized said:
FlossyDFlynt said:
Oldsouljer said:
FlossyDFlynt said:
Im not surprised Trump won. However I am very surprised that (at least as of now) hes going to take the popular vote as well.
Some people call that a mandate.
I think its more of a referendum on the current administration. There gonna be a lot of think pieces on why Trump won, but I think it boils down to the old adage:

"Its the economy, stupid"

Agree.

This is principally a referendum on the economy. It was an unrecoverable issue for Biden/Harris evidently.

Most of these other breathless hot takes are just resulting, and filling in the blank with Mad Libs indictments of the left.

Most everyone in the country wants and needs affordable health care.

Most of the country still agrees with sensible, legal abortion.

Most of the country still wants to actively support Ukraine and Israel and our other allies.

Most of the country cares about democracy.

This was a vote for change. A lot of people were frustrated.

The country is tired of the left and Biden/Harris.

When Trump's successor is running as a defacto incumbent in 2028, then they'll likely be tired of him and whatever his flaws are too.

That's why change candidates around the globe have had such success running against incumbent leaders and their parties in recent years.
Ukraine needs to find another cash cow. Most of the country does not support sending more money to Ukraine. I prefer a President who negotiates peace instead of funding proxy wars with nuclear armed nations.

One party also completely spit in the face of their entire party by installing the candidate they wanted. Someone running for the US Presidency that literally never received a single primary vote is not "caring about democracy". It's caring about staying in power regardless of the collateral damage.
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In reply to Wufpack17 • 10:45a
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If CNN got rid of Jake Tapper, I might honestly believe they are mostly bi-partisan.

Tapper belongs on MSNBC alongside Joy Reid.


I never liked him, but didn't think he was terrible last night, but to be fair, only thing I really saw on CNN was John king and his map, and Tapper was basically a side show for him

I only saw about 5 'minutes of CNN panel, and that was Van Jones lamenting how poor WOC had been told they were not of value again because their candidate had been rejected. Best part was the GOP guy next to him (Monday of an amen) chimed in that some of those people were the ones who rejected her,
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In reply to Civilized • 10:47a
Civilized said:
Wufpack17 said:
Civilized said:
Wufpack17 said:
Civilized said:
Wufpack17 said:
Civilized said:
packgrad said:
Civilized said:
packgrad said:
Democrats wanted Trump. They ran ads for him in the primary. They thought they could run their weekend at Bernie's candidate out there and their minions would vote for him again. Their minions would have , but they realized after the debate that wouldn't be enough. So then they usurped their elected candidate and installed their weekend at Bernie's 2 candidate. They tried hiding her. They kept her to a script. Few but only friendly interviews. They dug in on their antisemitic position by not choosing Shapiro.

An absolute disaster all the way around that is reflective of their poor leadership, decision making, and how much they value the American voter.

Republicans lost three straight elections because they kept running losing MAGA candidates out there.

So obviously you must think that was reflective of the Republicans' poor leadership and decision-making and how little Republicans value the American voter?


Isn't that what you said over and over and over? Hahaha. Shoe is on the other foot now. Take your medicine.

Just kidding. I know you won't. You're pretty consistent in your hypocrisy.

Losing three straight elections, all for similar reasons, is a fairly large and consistent sample.

This election was mostly a repudiation of the Biden economy. Harris started 3.5 months ago deeply underwater in approval, and somehow got it back to almost a coin flip.

Trump winning this election was the easy part, now he's got to actually govern.

Get back to me at mid-terms, or after Vance wins in 2028, and let's assess party leadership and decision-making and valuing voters.

The good news for us all, as always, is either Trump and Vance kill it, in which case we're all winning, or they don't, and voters can go a different direction in 4 years.


The fact that Republicans are likely to control the government, is a damming statement on the current status of the democrat party. It has gone so far left that moderate dems are voting republican.

Dems need to rid themselves of the radicals that have taken control.

Really?

Which radicals have taken control?
They literally just ran Kamala Harris.

Which policies was she promoting that were radical?

I'm talking specific policies, not anecdotal fantasies.
-Inflation "reduction" act, along with other massive spending that is directly tied to our inflation issues

-Co-led with Radical AOC - New Green Deal

-Co -Led with Bernie Sanders - Medicare for All

-Voting record has been anti-Israel

- Border

Do I need to continue?

Yes you need to continue. None of this stuff is stuff she was promoting as the 2024 candidate.

Biden's policies weren't radical and Harris' wouldn't have been either.
Biden literally let millions upon millions of illegal immigrants into the country with the purpose of making them legal to become blue voters. Harris was in charge of that effort for the last 3.5 years. That's as radical as you can possibly get as that would change the course of elections forever in this country if allowed.
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Tax payer funded sex change surgeries for prisoners and illegals is "radical" in my book but maybe im just the crazy one lol
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In reply to Civilized • 10:50a
Civilized said:
Wufpack17 said:
Civilized said:
Wufpack17 said:
Civilized said:
Wufpack17 said:
Civilized said:
packgrad said:
Civilized said:
packgrad said:
Democrats wanted Trump. They ran ads for him in the primary. They thought they could run their weekend at Bernie's candidate out there and their minions would vote for him again. Their minions would have , but they realized after the debate that wouldn't be enough. So then they usurped their elected candidate and installed their weekend at Bernie's 2 candidate. They tried hiding her. They kept her to a script. Few but only friendly interviews. They dug in on their antisemitic position by not choosing Shapiro.

An absolute disaster all the way around that is reflective of their poor leadership, decision making, and how much they value the American voter.

Republicans lost three straight elections because they kept running losing MAGA candidates out there.

So obviously you must think that was reflective of the Republicans' poor leadership and decision-making and how little Republicans value the American voter?


Isn't that what you said over and over and over? Hahaha. Shoe is on the other foot now. Take your medicine.

Just kidding. I know you won't. You're pretty consistent in your hypocrisy.

Losing three straight elections, all for similar reasons, is a fairly large and consistent sample.

This election was mostly a repudiation of the Biden economy. Harris started 3.5 months ago deeply underwater in approval, and somehow got it back to almost a coin flip.

Trump winning this election was the easy part, now he's got to actually govern.

Get back to me at mid-terms, or after Vance wins in 2028, and let's assess party leadership and decision-making and valuing voters.

The good news for us all, as always, is either Trump and Vance kill it, in which case we're all winning, or they don't, and voters can go a different direction in 4 years.


The fact that Republicans are likely to control the government, is a damming statement on the current status of the democrat party. It has gone so far left that moderate dems are voting republican.

Dems need to rid themselves of the radicals that have taken control.

Really?

Which radicals have taken control?
They literally just ran Kamala Harris.

Which policies was she promoting that were radical?

I'm talking specific policies, not anecdotal fantasies.
-Inflation "reduction" act, along with other massive spending that is directly tied to our inflation issues

-Co-led with Radical AOC - New Green Deal

-Co -Led with Bernie Sanders - Medicare for All

-Voting record has been anti-Israel

- Border

Do I need to continue?

Yes you need to continue. None of this stuff is stuff she was promoting as the 2024 candidate.

Biden's policies weren't radical and Harris' wouldn't have been either.

How about mandatory firearm buyback and taxing unrealized gains? Taxpayer funded sex change for inmates? What do you consider radical??
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In reply to FlossyDFlynt • 10:55a
FlossyDFlynt said:
Oldsouljer said:
FlossyDFlynt said:
Im not surprised Trump won. However I am very surprised that (at least as of now) hes going to take the popular vote as well.
Some people call that a mandate.
I think its more of a referendum on the current administration. There gonna be a lot of think pieces on why Trump won, but I think it boils down to the old adage:

"Its the economy, stupid"
Some people call that a mandate.
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In reply to Civilized • 10:56a
Civilized said:
Wufpack17 said:
Civilized said:
Wufpack17 said:
Civilized said:
packgrad said:
Civilized said:
packgrad said:
Democrats wanted Trump. They ran ads for him in the primary. They thought they could run their weekend at Bernie's candidate out there and their minions would vote for him again. Their minions would have , but they realized after the debate that wouldn't be enough. So then they usurped their elected candidate and installed their weekend at Bernie's 2 candidate. They tried hiding her. They kept her to a script. Few but only friendly interviews. They dug in on their antisemitic position by not choosing Shapiro.

An absolute disaster all the way around that is reflective of their poor leadership, decision making, and how much they value the American voter.

Republicans lost three straight elections because they kept running losing MAGA candidates out there.

So obviously you must think that was reflective of the Republicans' poor leadership and decision-making and how little Republicans value the American voter?


Isn't that what you said over and over and over? Hahaha. Shoe is on the other foot now. Take your medicine.

Just kidding. I know you won't. You're pretty consistent in your hypocrisy.

Losing three straight elections, all for similar reasons, is a fairly large and consistent sample.

This election was mostly a repudiation of the Biden economy. Harris started 3.5 months ago deeply underwater in approval, and somehow got it back to almost a coin flip.

Trump winning this election was the easy part, now he's got to actually govern.

Get back to me at mid-terms, or after Vance wins in 2028, and let's assess party leadership and decision-making and valuing voters.

The good news for us all, as always, is either Trump and Vance kill it, in which case we're all winning, or they don't, and voters can go a different direction in 4 years.


The fact that Republicans are likely to control the government, is a damming statement on the current status of the democrat party. It has gone so far left that moderate dems are voting republican.

Dems need to rid themselves of the radicals that have taken control.

Really?

Which radicals have taken control?
They literally just ran Kamala Harris.

Which policies was she promoting that were radical?

I'm talking specific policies, not anecdotal fantasies.
Hard to say, she wouldn't talk about policies.
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In reply to Civilized • 10:57a
Civilized said:
Wufpack17 said:
Civilized said:
Wufpack17 said:
Civilized said:
Wufpack17 said:
Civilized said:
packgrad said:
Civilized said:
packgrad said:
Democrats wanted Trump. They ran ads for him in the primary. They thought they could run their weekend at Bernie's candidate out there and their minions would vote for him again. Their minions would have , but they realized after the debate that wouldn't be enough. So then they usurped their elected candidate and installed their weekend at Bernie's 2 candidate. They tried hiding her. They kept her to a script. Few but only friendly interviews. They dug in on their antisemitic position by not choosing Shapiro.

An absolute disaster all the way around that is reflective of their poor leadership, decision making, and how much they value the American voter.

Republicans lost three straight elections because they kept running losing MAGA candidates out there.

So obviously you must think that was reflective of the Republicans' poor leadership and decision-making and how little Republicans value the American voter?


Isn't that what you said over and over and over? Hahaha. Shoe is on the other foot now. Take your medicine.

Just kidding. I know you won't. You're pretty consistent in your hypocrisy.

Losing three straight elections, all for similar reasons, is a fairly large and consistent sample.

This election was mostly a repudiation of the Biden economy. Harris started 3.5 months ago deeply underwater in approval, and somehow got it back to almost a coin flip.

Trump winning this election was the easy part, now he's got to actually govern.

Get back to me at mid-terms, or after Vance wins in 2028, and let's assess party leadership and decision-making and valuing voters.

The good news for us all, as always, is either Trump and Vance kill it, in which case we're all winning, or they don't, and voters can go a different direction in 4 years.


The fact that Republicans are likely to control the government, is a damming statement on the current status of the democrat party. It has gone so far left that moderate dems are voting republican.

Dems need to rid themselves of the radicals that have taken control.

Really?

Which radicals have taken control?
They literally just ran Kamala Harris.

Which policies was she promoting that were radical?

I'm talking specific policies, not anecdotal fantasies.
-Inflation "reduction" act, along with other massive spending that is directly tied to our inflation issues

-Co-led with Radical AOC - New Green Deal

-Co -Led with Bernie Sanders - Medicare for All

-Voting record has been anti-Israel

- Border

Do I need to continue?

Yes you need to continue. None of this stuff is stuff she was promoting as the 2024 candidate.

Biden's policies weren't radical and Harris' wouldn't have been either.
Her actions as a US Senator and VP don't matter?
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Civ wants you to ignore Kamala's career over several years and only listen to the things she "said" she would do over these last 3 months since she was installed as the candidate.... and it took a month to decide what her policies would be. So basically, only listen to the things she pretends she would do as president for the last 2 months. Ignore the rest of her career.

And that is why civ is called a mindless minion.
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In reply to wolf howl • 10:58a
wolf howl said:
Civilized said:
FlossyDFlynt said:
Oldsouljer said:
FlossyDFlynt said:
Im not surprised Trump won. However I am very surprised that (at least as of now) hes going to take the popular vote as well.
Some people call that a mandate.
I think its more of a referendum on the current administration. There gonna be a lot of think pieces on why Trump won, but I think it boils down to the old adage:

"Its the economy, stupid"

Agree.

This is principally a referendum on the economy. It was an unrecoverable issue for Biden/Harris evidently.

Most of these other breathless hot takes are just resulting, and filling in the blank with Mad Libs indictments of the left.

Most everyone in the country wants and needs affordable health care.

Most of the country still agrees with sensible, legal abortion.

Most of the country still wants to actively support Ukraine and Israel and our other allies.

Most of the country cares about democracy.

This was a vote for change. A lot of people were frustrated.

The country is tired of the left and Biden/Harris.

When Trump's successor is running as a defacto incumbent in 2028, then they'll likely be tired of him and whatever his flaws are too.

That's why change candidates around the globe have had such success running against incumbent leaders and their parties in recent years.
Ukraine needs to find another cash cow. Most of the country does not support sending more money to Ukraine. I prefer a President who negotiates peace instead of funding proxy wars with nuclear armed nations.

One party also completely spit in the face of their entire party by installing the candidate they wanted. Someone running for the US Presidency that literally never received a single primary vote is not "caring about democracy". It's caring about staying in power regardless of the collateral damage.
We guaranteed Ukraine's security if they'd turn over their nukes. Give 'em back their nukes and let Putin deal with it.
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In reply to wolf howl • 10:58a
wolf howl said:
Civilized said:
FlossyDFlynt said:
Oldsouljer said:
FlossyDFlynt said:
Im not surprised Trump won. However I am very surprised that (at least as of now) hes going to take the popular vote as well.
Some people call that a mandate.
I think its more of a referendum on the current administration. There gonna be a lot of think pieces on why Trump won, but I think it boils down to the old adage:

"Its the economy, stupid"

Agree.

This is principally a referendum on the economy. It was an unrecoverable issue for Biden/Harris evidently.

Most of these other breathless hot takes are just resulting, and filling in the blank with Mad Libs indictments of the left.

Most everyone in the country wants and needs affordable health care.

Most of the country still agrees with sensible, legal abortion.

Most of the country still wants to actively support Ukraine and Israel and our other allies.

Most of the country cares about democracy.

This was a vote for change. A lot of people were frustrated.

The country is tired of the left and Biden/Harris.

When Trump's successor is running as a defacto incumbent in 2028, then they'll likely be tired of him and whatever his flaws are too.

That's why change candidates around the globe have had such success running against incumbent leaders and their parties in recent years.
Ukraine needs to find another cash cow. Most of the country does not support sending more money to Ukraine. I prefer a President who negotiates peace instead of funding proxy wars with nuclear armed nations.

One party also completely spit in the face of their entire party by installing the candidate they wanted. Someone running for the US Presidency that literally never received a single primary vote is not "caring about democracy". It's caring about staying in power regardless of the collateral damage.

Sweet, hope Trump can negotiate peace with his buddy Putin.

That would be win-win-win for us and Ukraine and Russia.
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In reply to Wufpack17 • 10:59a
Wufpack17 said:
Civilized said:
Wufpack17 said:
Civilized said:
Wufpack17 said:
Civilized said:
Wufpack17 said:
Civilized said:
packgrad said:
Civilized said:
packgrad said:
Democrats wanted Trump. They ran ads for him in the primary. They thought they could run their weekend at Bernie's candidate out there and their minions would vote for him again. Their minions would have , but they realized after the debate that wouldn't be enough. So then they usurped their elected candidate and installed their weekend at Bernie's 2 candidate. They tried hiding her. They kept her to a script. Few but only friendly interviews. They dug in on their antisemitic position by not choosing Shapiro.

An absolute disaster all the way around that is reflective of their poor leadership, decision making, and how much they value the American voter.

Republicans lost three straight elections because they kept running losing MAGA candidates out there.

So obviously you must think that was reflective of the Republicans' poor leadership and decision-making and how little Republicans value the American voter?


Isn't that what you said over and over and over? Hahaha. Shoe is on the other foot now. Take your medicine.

Just kidding. I know you won't. You're pretty consistent in your hypocrisy.

Losing three straight elections, all for similar reasons, is a fairly large and consistent sample.

This election was mostly a repudiation of the Biden economy. Harris started 3.5 months ago deeply underwater in approval, and somehow got it back to almost a coin flip.

Trump winning this election was the easy part, now he's got to actually govern.

Get back to me at mid-terms, or after Vance wins in 2028, and let's assess party leadership and decision-making and valuing voters.

The good news for us all, as always, is either Trump and Vance kill it, in which case we're all winning, or they don't, and voters can go a different direction in 4 years.


The fact that Republicans are likely to control the government, is a damming statement on the current status of the democrat party. It has gone so far left that moderate dems are voting republican.

Dems need to rid themselves of the radicals that have taken control.

Really?

Which radicals have taken control?
They literally just ran Kamala Harris.

Which policies was she promoting that were radical?

I'm talking specific policies, not anecdotal fantasies.
-Inflation "reduction" act, along with other massive spending that is directly tied to our inflation issues

-Co-led with Radical AOC - New Green Deal

-Co -Led with Bernie Sanders - Medicare for All

-Voting record has been anti-Israel

- Border

Do I need to continue?

Yes you need to continue. None of this stuff is stuff she was promoting as the 2024 candidate.

Biden's policies weren't radical and Harris' wouldn't have been either.
Her actions as a US Senator and VP don't matter?


Hahaha. Exactly. Just these last two months are all that matter.

Makes total sense.
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In reply to CloudPack • 11:00a
CloudPack said:
Civilized said:
Wufpack17 said:
Civilized said:
Wufpack17 said:
Civilized said:
Wufpack17 said:
Civilized said:
packgrad said:
Civilized said:
packgrad said:
Democrats wanted Trump. They ran ads for him in the primary. They thought they could run their weekend at Bernie's candidate out there and their minions would vote for him again. Their minions would have , but they realized after the debate that wouldn't be enough. So then they usurped their elected candidate and installed their weekend at Bernie's 2 candidate. They tried hiding her. They kept her to a script. Few but only friendly interviews. They dug in on their antisemitic position by not choosing Shapiro.

An absolute disaster all the way around that is reflective of their poor leadership, decision making, and how much they value the American voter.

Republicans lost three straight elections because they kept running losing MAGA candidates out there.

So obviously you must think that was reflective of the Republicans' poor leadership and decision-making and how little Republicans value the American voter?


Isn't that what you said over and over and over? Hahaha. Shoe is on the other foot now. Take your medicine.

Just kidding. I know you won't. You're pretty consistent in your hypocrisy.

Losing three straight elections, all for similar reasons, is a fairly large and consistent sample.

This election was mostly a repudiation of the Biden economy. Harris started 3.5 months ago deeply underwater in approval, and somehow got it back to almost a coin flip.

Trump winning this election was the easy part, now he's got to actually govern.

Get back to me at mid-terms, or after Vance wins in 2028, and let's assess party leadership and decision-making and valuing voters.

The good news for us all, as always, is either Trump and Vance kill it, in which case we're all winning, or they don't, and voters can go a different direction in 4 years.


The fact that Republicans are likely to control the government, is a damming statement on the current status of the democrat party. It has gone so far left that moderate dems are voting republican.

Dems need to rid themselves of the radicals that have taken control.

Really?

Which radicals have taken control?
They literally just ran Kamala Harris.

Which policies was she promoting that were radical?

I'm talking specific policies, not anecdotal fantasies.
-Inflation "reduction" act, along with other massive spending that is directly tied to our inflation issues

-Co-led with Radical AOC - New Green Deal

-Co -Led with Bernie Sanders - Medicare for All

-Voting record has been anti-Israel

- Border

Do I need to continue?

Yes you need to continue. None of this stuff is stuff she was promoting as the 2024 candidate.

Biden's policies weren't radical and Harris' wouldn't have been either.

How about mandatory firearm buyback and taxing unrealized gains? Taxpayer funded sex change for inmates? What do you consider radical??


It's like Civ hasn't been paying attention to the political threads the past year. Radical agenda has been called out over and over. If he hasn't acknowledged it over the past year, he won't now.
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In reply to packgrad • 11:02a
packgrad said:
Wufpack17 said:
Civilized said:
Wufpack17 said:
Civilized said:
Wufpack17 said:
Civilized said:
Wufpack17 said:
Civilized said:
packgrad said:
Civilized said:
packgrad said:
Democrats wanted Trump. They ran ads for him in the primary. They thought they could run their weekend at Bernie's candidate out there and their minions would vote for him again. Their minions would have , but they realized after the debate that wouldn't be enough. So then they usurped their elected candidate and installed their weekend at Bernie's 2 candidate. They tried hiding her. They kept her to a script. Few but only friendly interviews. They dug in on their antisemitic position by not choosing Shapiro.

An absolute disaster all the way around that is reflective of their poor leadership, decision making, and how much they value the American voter.

Republicans lost three straight elections because they kept running losing MAGA candidates out there.

So obviously you must think that was reflective of the Republicans' poor leadership and decision-making and how little Republicans value the American voter?


Isn't that what you said over and over and over? Hahaha. Shoe is on the other foot now. Take your medicine.

Just kidding. I know you won't. You're pretty consistent in your hypocrisy.

Losing three straight elections, all for similar reasons, is a fairly large and consistent sample.

This election was mostly a repudiation of the Biden economy. Harris started 3.5 months ago deeply underwater in approval, and somehow got it back to almost a coin flip.

Trump winning this election was the easy part, now he's got to actually govern.

Get back to me at mid-terms, or after Vance wins in 2028, and let's assess party leadership and decision-making and valuing voters.

The good news for us all, as always, is either Trump and Vance kill it, in which case we're all winning, or they don't, and voters can go a different direction in 4 years.


The fact that Republicans are likely to control the government, is a damming statement on the current status of the democrat party. It has gone so far left that moderate dems are voting republican.

Dems need to rid themselves of the radicals that have taken control.

Really?

Which radicals have taken control?
They literally just ran Kamala Harris.

Which policies was she promoting that were radical?

I'm talking specific policies, not anecdotal fantasies.
-Inflation "reduction" act, along with other massive spending that is directly tied to our inflation issues

-Co-led with Radical AOC - New Green Deal

-Co -Led with Bernie Sanders - Medicare for All

-Voting record has been anti-Israel

- Border

Do I need to continue?

Yes you need to continue. None of this stuff is stuff she was promoting as the 2024 candidate.

Biden's policies weren't radical and Harris' wouldn't have been either.
Her actions as a US Senator and VP don't matter?


Hahaha. Exactly. Just these last two months are all that matter.

Makes total sense.
The nicest thing about this election to me personally, is that I am no longer burdened by things that have been.
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Good one!
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The View ratings will be through the roof today.
You couldn't force me to watch that sht, even if my life depended on it...
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I'm posting this one again... What stands out as a big deviation?

59,028,444 - 62,040,610
69,498,516 - 59,948,323
65,915,795 - 60,933,504
65,853,514 - 62,984,828
81,283,501 - 74,223,975
66,367,690 - 71,290,770 (So Far)
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But RACISMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM.
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But RACISMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM.
Oooh, good talking points! Let's try that, next election cycle.
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But RACISMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM.
I saw a montage of Leftist breakdowns this morning.

Joe Scarborough is STILL repeating the lie that "Trump called for Liz Cheney's assassination"!!! He explicitly said that last night after Trump was declared the winner.

Are you freaking kidding me??!!!!

These Leftists have ZERO integrity, ZERO honesty whatsoever. They shamelessly lie about EVERYTHING.

EVERYTHING

And they just keep lying, knowing they are lying. They are the TRUE enemy of democracy. They are the enemy of the people of the United States. They will stoop to any level to attempt to obtain raw power.
"Ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you." - John 15:19
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In reply to packgrad • 11:38a
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Civ wants you to ignore Kamala's career over several years and only listen to the things she "said" she would do over these last 3 months since she was installed as the candidate.... and it took a month to decide what her policies would be. So basically, only listen to the things she pretends she would do as president for the last 2 months. Ignore the rest of her career.

And that is why civ is called a mindless minion.
I wonder how our old friend rainbowwolf is holding up today? Or the other 91 who got his 1, 3 & 5 year old's vaccinated so he could start going to the movie theatre again?

Man, we've had to read some really f'd up sht on here over the last 4 years.

I had faith that Chem would eventually come around and thankfully he did... deep down inside I hope hokie did as well.
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In reply to TheStorm • 11:48a
What am I coming around to? I'm a little confused and just need clarification and I'd be happy to answer.
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What am I coming around to? I'm a little confused and just need clarification and I'd be happy to answer.
Not necessary. I'm not looking to start anything with anybody here today... too nice of a day to ruin it as far as I'm concerned. Hope you have a good one as well.
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Didnt think you are.

However, if you're asking me if I came around to Trump, the answer is still no. I still think he shouldn't be President, but he is and he gets my support. Now, repeal the Jones Act
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