โThe storm has had zero effect.โ
— DailyNoah.com (@DailyNoahNews) January 15, 2024
Looking good in that WHITE HAT sir!
๐ @DailyNoahNews pic.twitter.com/lfiVFwL1zn
I am definitely voting for President Trump!#TRUMP2024ToSaveAmerica #MAGA2024 pic.twitter.com/6TOHIshez0
— Mark UltraMaga 1A 2A (@c21markm) January 14, 2024
Apparently when we donโt have to wait for the Democrats to print more ballots, election results come in almost instantaneously.
— MAZE (@mazemoore) January 16, 2024
BREAKING: Donald Trump says Vivek Ramaswamy will be "working with us" after Vivek gave a fiery speech in New Hampshire.
— Collin Rugg (@CollinRugg) January 17, 2024
๐ฅ๐ฅ๐ฅ
During his speech, Vivek urged New Hampshire to vote for Trump.
"There is not a better choice left in this race than this man right here. And that isโฆ pic.twitter.com/IVr5gOxw3Y
Iowaโs over, and thereโs still only one person whoโs ever defeated Donald Trump. pic.twitter.com/uE1tylKuGf
— Joe Biden (@JoeBiden) January 16, 2024
Donald Trump Jr. did an interview with NewsMax on Thursday and was asked about the possibility of Tucker Carlson becoming Donald Trumpโs Vice President.
— RedWave Press (@RedWave_Press) January 19, 2024
Trump Jr. said the former Fox News host โ๐ฐ๐จ๐ฎ๐ฅ๐ ๐๐๐ซ๐ญ๐๐ข๐ง๐ฅ๐ฒ ๐๐ ๐ ๐๐จ๐ง๐ญ๐๐ง๐๐๐ซ.โ
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โ๐๐ก๐๐ญโฆ pic.twitter.com/3YHH1DvIJ9
Dictator behavior! pic.twitter.com/LshLfiCImm
— ๐บ๐ธSteve2A๐บ๐ธGod๐บ๐ธFamily๐บ๐ธCountry๐บ๐ธ (@lakemonstercl1) January 17, 2024
JUST IN - A couple chads just walked up to Nikki Haley and asked why she is wasting so much money on TV when there are homeless veterans in the US and she is going to lose to Trump anyway pic.twitter.com/AeBEez8X9j
— Jack Poso ๐บ๐ธ (@JackPosobiec) January 21, 2024
DrummerboyWolf said:
DeSantis suspends his campaign and endorses Trump. He also slams Nikki Haley.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/ron-desantis-ends-presidential-bid-201129134.html?.tsrc=fp_deeplink
Civ, I know you will never vote for a Republican and that's okโฆ. That said, people like Hokie are in the minority within the Republican Party.Civilized said:DrummerboyWolf said:
DeSantis suspends his campaign and endorses Trump. He also slams Nikki Haley.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/ron-desantis-ends-presidential-bid-201129134.html?.tsrc=fp_deeplink
According to Ron, Republicans "can't go back to the old Republican guard of yesteryear, a repackaged form of warmed-over corporatism that Nikki Haley represents."
"Warmed-over corporatism" is the worst thing you can say about Haley, and somehow that's worse for America than a President that attacks democracy itself?
Interesting analysis, Ron.
Smart move Ron to drop out and endorsed Trump. You are still a traitor. Your political career is over. Loyalty is very important to Trump. You betrayed Trump. You allowed RINOS to destroy your career!
— LeoTerrell (@TheLeoTerrell) January 21, 2024
๐จSouth Carolina Senator Tim Scott endorses Donald Trump for President
— Benny Johnson (@bennyjohnson) January 20, 2024
pic.twitter.com/P06bcOnB3a
Which is sad because I don't have the following ideals as my governing principles for selecting candidates:caryking said:Civ, I know you will never vote for a Republican and that's okโฆ. That said, people like Hokie are in the minority within the Republican Party.Civilized said:DrummerboyWolf said:
DeSantis suspends his campaign and endorses Trump. He also slams Nikki Haley.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/ron-desantis-ends-presidential-bid-201129134.html?.tsrc=fp_deeplink
According to Ron, Republicans "can't go back to the old Republican guard of yesteryear, a repackaged form of warmed-over corporatism that Nikki Haley represents."
"Warmed-over corporatism" is the worst thing you can say about Haley, and somehow that's worse for America than a President that attacks democracy itself?
Interesting analysis, Ron.
I've said it beforeโฆ no candidate is perfect! Trump isn't perfect! Trump represents a feeling, in this country, by many that are tired of the corporatists controlling things. Corporatists, Wall Street, International Organizations, want nothing less than maintaining control and keeping people hanging onโฆ
Don't believeโฆ I suggest trying different media. Mix it in with mainstream stuff, then you will understand the sentiment of many.
The Crook vs the Coot part II. The sequels are never as good as the original movie.packgrad said:
Wasn't Tim Scott hokie's horse before? He endorses Trump too.๐จSouth Carolina Senator Tim Scott endorses Donald Trump for President
— Benny Johnson (@bennyjohnson) January 20, 2024
pic.twitter.com/P06bcOnB3a
And lol at the faux outrage about a "President that attacks democracy" while casting a vote for Biden, or hell any Democrat in today's Democratic Party.
Here's a crazy thought, maybe Dems should spend more time holding their party accountable for putting a geriatric with dementia in office then worrying about TTTTTRRRRUUUMMMPPP!!!! These people try to say they don't have TDS, but their entire focus is keeping Trump from getting the nomination with frivolous lawsuits and party soldier *****s crying rape from 25-40 years ago instead of finding a candidate without dementia or even having a primary.
Hokie, where did you get that diatribe?hokiewolf said:Which is sad because I don't have the following ideals as my governing principles for selecting candidates:caryking said:Civ, I know you will never vote for a Republican and that's okโฆ. That said, people like Hokie are in the minority within the Republican Party.Civilized said:DrummerboyWolf said:
DeSantis suspends his campaign and endorses Trump. He also slams Nikki Haley.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/ron-desantis-ends-presidential-bid-201129134.html?.tsrc=fp_deeplink
According to Ron, Republicans "can't go back to the old Republican guard of yesteryear, a repackaged form of warmed-over corporatism that Nikki Haley represents."
"Warmed-over corporatism" is the worst thing you can say about Haley, and somehow that's worse for America than a President that attacks democracy itself?
Interesting analysis, Ron.
I've said it beforeโฆ no candidate is perfect! Trump isn't perfect! Trump represents a feeling, in this country, by many that are tired of the corporatists controlling things. Corporatists, Wall Street, International Organizations, want nothing less than maintaining control and keeping people hanging onโฆ
Don't believeโฆ I suggest trying different media. Mix it in with mainstream stuff, then you will understand the sentiment of many.
1. An apocalyptic world view - America is ending or is over and it's all going down. And if it's all going down, who are we to quarrel about James Madison's intent and the meaning of federalism? Given these "high stakes", we can't afford to have discussion and compromise. It's also funny to me that most of you hate the media, yet the media is what fuels this current apocalyptic view you have of America and you choose to dive right into it rather than reject this obvious driven narrative as absolute.
2. Negative partisanship demands very little of itself and it's very emotionally rewarding.
And these two concepts marry up very well. It can be summed up this way: "America is ending, it is THEIR fault, all we have to do is to try and stop them". And instead of taking the time to understand and develop a true conservative agenda and legislation - which also includes as the founding fathers intended - rigorous debate and COMPROMISE (oh no, that evil word!), instead of that stuff, it's just really easy to say if the other people win, the world will end, therefore the other people must not be allowed to stay.
What's the one thing I keep seeing here that you guys really like about Trump - and it's also backed up with polling is that Trump is STRONG! He's Virile! He smashes his enemies in front of him! That approach lines up very well with that apocalyptic negative partisanship.
What America has lost is our amazing strength of middle brow tendency, the expectation that elite ideas existed not just for the elite to turn into policies to scold the lower classes with and enjoy the benefits only for themselves while denying it to others, but, the reason why America is so different is that we have REJECTED this premise time and time again and held steady and proven these ideas are for everyone!
This middle brow was the "border wall" that protected America from popular uprisings, radicals on either side, and elite disdain for the common man. Over the history of the US, those ideals have challenged the American experiment and time and time again America has risen to get to a better place. I fear now that that has been lost, because the middle is far more receptive to the radicalized notions from what's coming beneath than respectful of anything that is coming from above.
That's because you feel like rubes! You've done the right thing, you've made a good living, paid your taxes, gone to church, if they were immigrants they came here legally and they want to be Americans. You followed all the rules. And you were generally able to stay out of politics.
But cultural war politics the last 20-30 years has it impossible for you not to play into the culture war. Your drafted constantly against your will. You're told things that what you believe and what you do should make you feel ashamed for being racist or sexist. So the easy answer is to burn it all down! It's no longer worth the consideration that the complete destruction of all temples and norms of the federalist experiment will make us all worse off then the current perception that those of you with an apocalyptic negative partisanship view have.
Your tribalism to rally around a most imperfect presidential candidate and to waive off any and all things that Trump has done in the last 7 years to clearly disqualify him from a public office, especially that of President of the United States makes me believe that you all are the ones fiddling while Rome is burning.
Your Presidential Candidate/Deity is going to fail you in the end, and it's going to lead to consequences for America that you probably didn't take the time to think through or understand. And that is why I hate populist movements. They are not based in careful thought and debate. They ingest the people who rally to the worst and ingest them like an out of control forest fire into illiberal thought and actions. You have become what you have mocked the far left for being and you don't see it.
A rapist refuses to give DNA.
— Joan Hussey Local Elections Matter ๐๐๐ (@Joanhussey1) January 21, 2024
A business fraud refuses to share his tax returns.
A traitor refuses to stop the Jan 6 coup.
Only traitors vote for a loser who he tried to steal our votes in 2020.#FRESH #DemVoice1 pic.twitter.com/VzenTkTu3S
caryking said:Hokie, where did you get that diatribe?hokiewolf said:Which is sad because I don't have the following ideals as my governing principles for selecting candidates:caryking said:Civ, I know you will never vote for a Republican and that's okโฆ. That said, people like Hokie are in the minority within the Republican Party.Civilized said:DrummerboyWolf said:
DeSantis suspends his campaign and endorses Trump. He also slams Nikki Haley.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/ron-desantis-ends-presidential-bid-201129134.html?.tsrc=fp_deeplink
According to Ron, Republicans "can't go back to the old Republican guard of yesteryear, a repackaged form of warmed-over corporatism that Nikki Haley represents."
"Warmed-over corporatism" is the worst thing you can say about Haley, and somehow that's worse for America than a President that attacks democracy itself?
Interesting analysis, Ron.
I've said it beforeโฆ no candidate is perfect! Trump isn't perfect! Trump represents a feeling, in this country, by many that are tired of the corporatists controlling things. Corporatists, Wall Street, International Organizations, want nothing less than maintaining control and keeping people hanging onโฆ
Don't believeโฆ I suggest trying different media. Mix it in with mainstream stuff, then you will understand the sentiment of many.
1. An apocalyptic world view - America is ending or is over and it's all going down. And if it's all going down, who are we to quarrel about James Madison's intent and the meaning of federalism? Given these "high stakes", we can't afford to have discussion and compromise. It's also funny to me that most of you hate the media, yet the media is what fuels this current apocalyptic view you have of America and you choose to dive right into it rather than reject this obvious driven narrative as absolute.
2. Negative partisanship demands very little of itself and it's very emotionally rewarding.
And these two concepts marry up very well. It can be summed up this way: "America is ending, it is THEIR fault, all we have to do is to try and stop them". And instead of taking the time to understand and develop a true conservative agenda and legislation - which also includes as the founding fathers intended - rigorous debate and COMPROMISE (oh no, that evil word!), instead of that stuff, it's just really easy to say if the other people win, the world will end, therefore the other people must not be allowed to stay.
What's the one thing I keep seeing here that you guys really like about Trump - and it's also backed up with polling is that Trump is STRONG! He's Virile! He smashes his enemies in front of him! That approach lines up very well with that apocalyptic negative partisanship.
What America has lost is our amazing strength of middle brow tendency, the expectation that elite ideas existed not just for the elite to turn into policies to scold the lower classes with and enjoy the benefits only for themselves while denying it to others, but, the reason why America is so different is that we have REJECTED this premise time and time again and held steady and proven these ideas are for everyone!
This middle brow was the "border wall" that protected America from popular uprisings, radicals on either side, and elite disdain for the common man. Over the history of the US, those ideals have challenged the American experiment and time and time again America has risen to get to a better place. I fear now that that has been lost, because the middle is far more receptive to the radicalized notions from what's coming beneath than respectful of anything that is coming from above.
That's because you feel like rubes! You've done the right thing, you've made a good living, paid your taxes, gone to church, if they were immigrants they came here legally and they want to be Americans. You followed all the rules. And you were generally able to stay out of politics.
But cultural war politics the last 20-30 years has it impossible for you not to play into the culture war. Your drafted constantly against your will. You're told things that what you believe and what you do should make you feel ashamed for being racist or sexist. So the easy answer is to burn it all down! It's no longer worth the consideration that the complete destruction of all temples and norms of the federalist experiment will make us all worse off then the current perception that those of you with an apocalyptic negative partisanship view have.
Your tribalism to rally around a most imperfect presidential candidate and to waive off any and all things that Trump has done in the last 7 years to clearly disqualify him from a public office, especially that of President of the United States makes me believe that you all are the ones fiddling while Rome is burning.
Your Presidential Candidate/Deity is going to fail you in the end, and it's going to lead to consequences for America that you probably didn't take the time to think through or understand. And that is why I hate populist movements. They are not based in careful thought and debate. They ingest the people who rally to the worst and ingest them like an out of control forest fire into illiberal thought and actions. You have become what you have mocked the far left for being and you don't see it.
Remember, it took a raucous crowd, in the 1700's, to make this federalist experiment! It's funny how these, supreme, all knowing writers, can refer to Trump as a Deity. When someone uses that as a description, of another individual, walking this earth, other than Jesus, that shows me they don't get itโฆ
Instead, maybe you should listen to the epitome of the corporatist, Jamie Dimonโฆ
CEO Jamie Dimon on Wednesday praised former President Donald Trump's record and admonished Democrats to be "more respectful" of Trump's supporters, or else risk hurting President Joe Biden's reelection bid.
"I wish the Democrats would think a little more carefully when they talk about MAGA," Dimon said on CNBC's "Squawk Box," referencing Trump's supporters by the acronym of his "Make America Great Again" campaign slogan.
Biden has warned that Trump and "MAGA Republicans" pose an existential threat to American democracy. But he has also tried to distinguish between Trump's most hardline supporters and "mainstream Republicans," who Biden says make up a majority of the party.
"I think this negative talk about MAGA is going to hurt Biden's election campaign," Dimon said from the World Economic Forum annual meeting in Davos, Switzerland.
Dimon argued that using the phrase "MAGA" incorrectly links Trump's supporters to the former president's personality and character. Democrats "are basically scapegoating them, [saying] that you are like him," Dimon said. "I don't think they're voting for Trump because of his family values," he said. The remarks by Dimon, who has donated to Democratic candidates but previously described himself as "barely a Democrat," came two days after the former president trounced his few remaining Republican rivals in the Iowa caucuses.
In November, Dimon heaped praise on one of Trump's challengers, former United Nations Ambassador Nikki Haley, who finished third in Iowa on Monday.
Dimon also gave Trump credit for his policy record.
"Take a step back, be honest. He was kind of right about NATO, kind of right on immigration. He grew the economy quite well. Trade tax reform worked. He was right about some of China." "He wasn't wrong about some of these critical issues, and that's why they voted for him," Dimon said. Asked which candidate would be better for his business, Dimon said, "I have to be prepared for both. I will be prepared for both. We will deal with both."
"And I hope whoever it is will be respectful of other people," he added.
The White House did not immediately respond to CNBC's request for comment on Dimon's remarks.
Civilized said:caryking said:Hokie, where did you get that diatribe?hokiewolf said:Which is sad because I don't have the following ideals as my governing principles for selecting candidates:caryking said:Civ, I know you will never vote for a Republican and that's okโฆ. That said, people like Hokie are in the minority within the Republican Party.Civilized said:DrummerboyWolf said:
DeSantis suspends his campaign and endorses Trump. He also slams Nikki Haley.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/ron-desantis-ends-presidential-bid-201129134.html?.tsrc=fp_deeplink
According to Ron, Republicans "can't go back to the old Republican guard of yesteryear, a repackaged form of warmed-over corporatism that Nikki Haley represents."
"Warmed-over corporatism" is the worst thing you can say about Haley, and somehow that's worse for America than a President that attacks democracy itself?
Interesting analysis, Ron.
I've said it beforeโฆ no candidate is perfect! Trump isn't perfect! Trump represents a feeling, in this country, by many that are tired of the corporatists controlling things. Corporatists, Wall Street, International Organizations, want nothing less than maintaining control and keeping people hanging onโฆ
Don't believeโฆ I suggest trying different media. Mix it in with mainstream stuff, then you will understand the sentiment of many.
1. An apocalyptic world view - America is ending or is over and it's all going down. And if it's all going down, who are we to quarrel about James Madison's intent and the meaning of federalism? Given these "high stakes", we can't afford to have discussion and compromise. It's also funny to me that most of you hate the media, yet the media is what fuels this current apocalyptic view you have of America and you choose to dive right into it rather than reject this obvious driven narrative as absolute.
2. Negative partisanship demands very little of itself and it's very emotionally rewarding.
And these two concepts marry up very well. It can be summed up this way: "America is ending, it is THEIR fault, all we have to do is to try and stop them". And instead of taking the time to understand and develop a true conservative agenda and legislation - which also includes as the founding fathers intended - rigorous debate and COMPROMISE (oh no, that evil word!), instead of that stuff, it's just really easy to say if the other people win, the world will end, therefore the other people must not be allowed to stay.
What's the one thing I keep seeing here that you guys really like about Trump - and it's also backed up with polling is that Trump is STRONG! He's Virile! He smashes his enemies in front of him! That approach lines up very well with that apocalyptic negative partisanship.
What America has lost is our amazing strength of middle brow tendency, the expectation that elite ideas existed not just for the elite to turn into policies to scold the lower classes with and enjoy the benefits only for themselves while denying it to others, but, the reason why America is so different is that we have REJECTED this premise time and time again and held steady and proven these ideas are for everyone!
This middle brow was the "border wall" that protected America from popular uprisings, radicals on either side, and elite disdain for the common man. Over the history of the US, those ideals have challenged the American experiment and time and time again America has risen to get to a better place. I fear now that that has been lost, because the middle is far more receptive to the radicalized notions from what's coming beneath than respectful of anything that is coming from above.
That's because you feel like rubes! You've done the right thing, you've made a good living, paid your taxes, gone to church, if they were immigrants they came here legally and they want to be Americans. You followed all the rules. And you were generally able to stay out of politics.
But cultural war politics the last 20-30 years has it impossible for you not to play into the culture war. Your drafted constantly against your will. You're told things that what you believe and what you do should make you feel ashamed for being racist or sexist. So the easy answer is to burn it all down! It's no longer worth the consideration that the complete destruction of all temples and norms of the federalist experiment will make us all worse off then the current perception that those of you with an apocalyptic negative partisanship view have.
Your tribalism to rally around a most imperfect presidential candidate and to waive off any and all things that Trump has done in the last 7 years to clearly disqualify him from a public office, especially that of President of the United States makes me believe that you all are the ones fiddling while Rome is burning.
Your Presidential Candidate/Deity is going to fail you in the end, and it's going to lead to consequences for America that you probably didn't take the time to think through or understand. And that is why I hate populist movements. They are not based in careful thought and debate. They ingest the people who rally to the worst and ingest them like an out of control forest fire into illiberal thought and actions. You have become what you have mocked the far left for being and you don't see it.
Remember, it took a raucous crowd, in the 1700's, to make this federalist experiment! It's funny how these, supreme, all knowing writers, can refer to Trump as a Deity. When someone uses that as a description, of another individual, walking this earth, other than Jesus, that shows me they don't get itโฆ
Instead, maybe you should listen to the epitome of the corporatist, Jamie Dimonโฆ
CEO Jamie Dimon on Wednesday praised former President Donald Trump's record and admonished Democrats to be "more respectful" of Trump's supporters, or else risk hurting President Joe Biden's reelection bid.
"I wish the Democrats would think a little more carefully when they talk about MAGA," Dimon said on CNBC's "Squawk Box," referencing Trump's supporters by the acronym of his "Make America Great Again" campaign slogan.
Biden has warned that Trump and "MAGA Republicans" pose an existential threat to American democracy. But he has also tried to distinguish between Trump's most hardline supporters and "mainstream Republicans," who Biden says make up a majority of the party.
"I think this negative talk about MAGA is going to hurt Biden's election campaign," Dimon said from the World Economic Forum annual meeting in Davos, Switzerland.
Dimon argued that using the phrase "MAGA" incorrectly links Trump's supporters to the former president's personality and character. Democrats "are basically scapegoating them, [saying] that you are like him," Dimon said. "I don't think they're voting for Trump because of his family values," he said. The remarks by Dimon, who has donated to Democratic candidates but previously described himself as "barely a Democrat," came two days after the former president trounced his few remaining Republican rivals in the Iowa caucuses.
In November, Dimon heaped praise on one of Trump's challengers, former United Nations Ambassador Nikki Haley, who finished third in Iowa on Monday.
Dimon also gave Trump credit for his policy record.
"Take a step back, be honest. He was kind of right about NATO, kind of right on immigration. He grew the economy quite well. Trade tax reform worked. He was right about some of China." "He wasn't wrong about some of these critical issues, and that's why they voted for him," Dimon said. Asked which candidate would be better for his business, Dimon said, "I have to be prepared for both. I will be prepared for both. We will deal with both."
"And I hope whoever it is will be respectful of other people," he added.
The White House did not immediately respond to CNBC's request for comment on Dimon's remarks.
I mean, isn't Dimon just saying Dem elites shouldn't think of MAGAs as deplorables?
He's clearly right about that, that was some elitist **** that never served any productive purpose. There's a way better way to say what Clinton may have been trying to say that didn't give Pubs talking points about how out of touch lots of Dem elites are (which is true).
But I completely disagree with Dimon downplaying Trump's personality as being a huge part of his gravity as a politician. Most people from either party couldn't name a single policy that their president championed; their vote is more based on personality, feel, general agenda, and most importantly partisanship.
Isn't that really the problem? Pubs dont need talking points based on Hillary's words; rather, it's damn near everything they say and/or do that's so condescending. Just look at Smapty for a local example.Civilized said:caryking said:Hokie, where did you get that diatribe?hokiewolf said:Which is sad because I don't have the following ideals as my governing principles for selecting candidates:caryking said:Civ, I know you will never vote for a Republican and that's okโฆ. That said, people like Hokie are in the minority within the Republican Party.Civilized said:DrummerboyWolf said:
DeSantis suspends his campaign and endorses Trump. He also slams Nikki Haley.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/ron-desantis-ends-presidential-bid-201129134.html?.tsrc=fp_deeplink
According to Ron, Republicans "can't go back to the old Republican guard of yesteryear, a repackaged form of warmed-over corporatism that Nikki Haley represents."
"Warmed-over corporatism" is the worst thing you can say about Haley, and somehow that's worse for America than a President that attacks democracy itself?
Interesting analysis, Ron.
I've said it beforeโฆ no candidate is perfect! Trump isn't perfect! Trump represents a feeling, in this country, by many that are tired of the corporatists controlling things. Corporatists, Wall Street, International Organizations, want nothing less than maintaining control and keeping people hanging onโฆ
Don't believeโฆ I suggest trying different media. Mix it in with mainstream stuff, then you will understand the sentiment of many.
1. An apocalyptic world view - America is ending or is over and it's all going down. And if it's all going down, who are we to quarrel about James Madison's intent and the meaning of federalism? Given these "high stakes", we can't afford to have discussion and compromise. It's also funny to me that most of you hate the media, yet the media is what fuels this current apocalyptic view you have of America and you choose to dive right into it rather than reject this obvious driven narrative as absolute.
2. Negative partisanship demands very little of itself and it's very emotionally rewarding.
And these two concepts marry up very well. It can be summed up this way: "America is ending, it is THEIR fault, all we have to do is to try and stop them". And instead of taking the time to understand and develop a true conservative agenda and legislation - which also includes as the founding fathers intended - rigorous debate and COMPROMISE (oh no, that evil word!), instead of that stuff, it's just really easy to say if the other people win, the world will end, therefore the other people must not be allowed to stay.
What's the one thing I keep seeing here that you guys really like about Trump - and it's also backed up with polling is that Trump is STRONG! He's Virile! He smashes his enemies in front of him! That approach lines up very well with that apocalyptic negative partisanship.
What America has lost is our amazing strength of middle brow tendency, the expectation that elite ideas existed not just for the elite to turn into policies to scold the lower classes with and enjoy the benefits only for themselves while denying it to others, but, the reason why America is so different is that we have REJECTED this premise time and time again and held steady and proven these ideas are for everyone!
This middle brow was the "border wall" that protected America from popular uprisings, radicals on either side, and elite disdain for the common man. Over the history of the US, those ideals have challenged the American experiment and time and time again America has risen to get to a better place. I fear now that that has been lost, because the middle is far more receptive to the radicalized notions from what's coming beneath than respectful of anything that is coming from above.
That's because you feel like rubes! You've done the right thing, you've made a good living, paid your taxes, gone to church, if they were immigrants they came here legally and they want to be Americans. You followed all the rules. And you were generally able to stay out of politics.
But cultural war politics the last 20-30 years has it impossible for you not to play into the culture war. Your drafted constantly against your will. You're told things that what you believe and what you do should make you feel ashamed for being racist or sexist. So the easy answer is to burn it all down! It's no longer worth the consideration that the complete destruction of all temples and norms of the federalist experiment will make us all worse off then the current perception that those of you with an apocalyptic negative partisanship view have.
Your tribalism to rally around a most imperfect presidential candidate and to waive off any and all things that Trump has done in the last 7 years to clearly disqualify him from a public office, especially that of President of the United States makes me believe that you all are the ones fiddling while Rome is burning.
Your Presidential Candidate/Deity is going to fail you in the end, and it's going to lead to consequences for America that you probably didn't take the time to think through or understand. And that is why I hate populist movements. They are not based in careful thought and debate. They ingest the people who rally to the worst and ingest them like an out of control forest fire into illiberal thought and actions. You have become what you have mocked the far left for being and you don't see it.
Remember, it took a raucous crowd, in the 1700's, to make this federalist experiment! It's funny how these, supreme, all knowing writers, can refer to Trump as a Deity. When someone uses that as a description, of another individual, walking this earth, other than Jesus, that shows me they don't get itโฆ
Instead, maybe you should listen to the epitome of the corporatist, Jamie Dimonโฆ
CEO Jamie Dimon on Wednesday praised former President Donald Trump's record and admonished Democrats to be "more respectful" of Trump's supporters, or else risk hurting President Joe Biden's reelection bid.
"I wish the Democrats would think a little more carefully when they talk about MAGA," Dimon said on CNBC's "Squawk Box," referencing Trump's supporters by the acronym of his "Make America Great Again" campaign slogan.
Biden has warned that Trump and "MAGA Republicans" pose an existential threat to American democracy. But he has also tried to distinguish between Trump's most hardline supporters and "mainstream Republicans," who Biden says make up a majority of the party.
"I think this negative talk about MAGA is going to hurt Biden's election campaign," Dimon said from the World Economic Forum annual meeting in Davos, Switzerland.
Dimon argued that using the phrase "MAGA" incorrectly links Trump's supporters to the former president's personality and character. Democrats "are basically scapegoating them, [saying] that you are like him," Dimon said. "I don't think they're voting for Trump because of his family values," he said. The remarks by Dimon, who has donated to Democratic candidates but previously described himself as "barely a Democrat," came two days after the former president trounced his few remaining Republican rivals in the Iowa caucuses.
In November, Dimon heaped praise on one of Trump's challengers, former United Nations Ambassador Nikki Haley, who finished third in Iowa on Monday.
Dimon also gave Trump credit for his policy record.
"Take a step back, be honest. He was kind of right about NATO, kind of right on immigration. He grew the economy quite well. Trade tax reform worked. He was right about some of China." "He wasn't wrong about some of these critical issues, and that's why they voted for him," Dimon said. Asked which candidate would be better for his business, Dimon said, "I have to be prepared for both. I will be prepared for both. We will deal with both."
"And I hope whoever it is will be respectful of other people," he added.
The White House did not immediately respond to CNBC's request for comment on Dimon's remarks.
I mean, isn't Dimon just saying Dem elites shouldn't think of MAGAs as deplorables?
He's clearly right about that, that was some elitist **** that never served any productive purpose. There's a way better way to say what Clinton may have been trying to say that didn't give Pubs talking points about how out of touch lots of Dem elites are (which is true).
But I completely disagree with Dimon downplaying Trump's personality as being a huge part of his gravity as a politician. Most people from either party couldn't name a single policy that their president championed; their vote is more based on personality, feel, general agenda, and most importantly partisanship.
Personally, I still wanted DeSantis... but I'm going to vote for whomever the GOP nominee is regardless of which one prevails from here.packgrad said:
Wasn't Tim Scott hokie's horse before? He endorses Trump too.๐จSouth Carolina Senator Tim Scott endorses Donald Trump for President
— Benny Johnson (@bennyjohnson) January 20, 2024
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And lol at the faux outrage about a "President that attacks democracy" while casting a vote for Biden, or hell any Democrat in today's Democratic Party.
Here's a crazy thought, maybe Dems should spend more time holding their party accountable for putting a geriatric with dementia in office then worrying about TTTTTRRRRUUUMMMPPP!!!! These people try to say they don't have TDS, but their entire focus is keeping Trump from getting the nomination with frivolous lawsuits and party soldier *****s crying rape from 25-40 years ago instead of finding a candidate without dementia or even having a primary.
caryking said:Isn't that really the problem? Pubs dont need talking points based on Hillary's words; rather, it's damn near everything they say and/or do that's so condescending. Just look at Smapty for a local example.Civilized said:caryking said:Hokie, where did you get that diatribe?hokiewolf said:Which is sad because I don't have the following ideals as my governing principles for selecting candidates:caryking said:Civ, I know you will never vote for a Republican and that's okโฆ. That said, people like Hokie are in the minority within the Republican Party.Civilized said:DrummerboyWolf said:
DeSantis suspends his campaign and endorses Trump. He also slams Nikki Haley.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/ron-desantis-ends-presidential-bid-201129134.html?.tsrc=fp_deeplink
According to Ron, Republicans "can't go back to the old Republican guard of yesteryear, a repackaged form of warmed-over corporatism that Nikki Haley represents."
"Warmed-over corporatism" is the worst thing you can say about Haley, and somehow that's worse for America than a President that attacks democracy itself?
Interesting analysis, Ron.
I've said it beforeโฆ no candidate is perfect! Trump isn't perfect! Trump represents a feeling, in this country, by many that are tired of the corporatists controlling things. Corporatists, Wall Street, International Organizations, want nothing less than maintaining control and keeping people hanging onโฆ
Don't believeโฆ I suggest trying different media. Mix it in with mainstream stuff, then you will understand the sentiment of many.
1. An apocalyptic world view - America is ending or is over and it's all going down. And if it's all going down, who are we to quarrel about James Madison's intent and the meaning of federalism? Given these "high stakes", we can't afford to have discussion and compromise. It's also funny to me that most of you hate the media, yet the media is what fuels this current apocalyptic view you have of America and you choose to dive right into it rather than reject this obvious driven narrative as absolute.
2. Negative partisanship demands very little of itself and it's very emotionally rewarding.
And these two concepts marry up very well. It can be summed up this way: "America is ending, it is THEIR fault, all we have to do is to try and stop them". And instead of taking the time to understand and develop a true conservative agenda and legislation - which also includes as the founding fathers intended - rigorous debate and COMPROMISE (oh no, that evil word!), instead of that stuff, it's just really easy to say if the other people win, the world will end, therefore the other people must not be allowed to stay.
What's the one thing I keep seeing here that you guys really like about Trump - and it's also backed up with polling is that Trump is STRONG! He's Virile! He smashes his enemies in front of him! That approach lines up very well with that apocalyptic negative partisanship.
What America has lost is our amazing strength of middle brow tendency, the expectation that elite ideas existed not just for the elite to turn into policies to scold the lower classes with and enjoy the benefits only for themselves while denying it to others, but, the reason why America is so different is that we have REJECTED this premise time and time again and held steady and proven these ideas are for everyone!
This middle brow was the "border wall" that protected America from popular uprisings, radicals on either side, and elite disdain for the common man. Over the history of the US, those ideals have challenged the American experiment and time and time again America has risen to get to a better place. I fear now that that has been lost, because the middle is far more receptive to the radicalized notions from what's coming beneath than respectful of anything that is coming from above.
That's because you feel like rubes! You've done the right thing, you've made a good living, paid your taxes, gone to church, if they were immigrants they came here legally and they want to be Americans. You followed all the rules. And you were generally able to stay out of politics.
But cultural war politics the last 20-30 years has it impossible for you not to play into the culture war. Your drafted constantly against your will. You're told things that what you believe and what you do should make you feel ashamed for being racist or sexist. So the easy answer is to burn it all down! It's no longer worth the consideration that the complete destruction of all temples and norms of the federalist experiment will make us all worse off then the current perception that those of you with an apocalyptic negative partisanship view have.
Your tribalism to rally around a most imperfect presidential candidate and to waive off any and all things that Trump has done in the last 7 years to clearly disqualify him from a public office, especially that of President of the United States makes me believe that you all are the ones fiddling while Rome is burning.
Your Presidential Candidate/Deity is going to fail you in the end, and it's going to lead to consequences for America that you probably didn't take the time to think through or understand. And that is why I hate populist movements. They are not based in careful thought and debate. They ingest the people who rally to the worst and ingest them like an out of control forest fire into illiberal thought and actions. You have become what you have mocked the far left for being and you don't see it.
Remember, it took a raucous crowd, in the 1700's, to make this federalist experiment! It's funny how these, supreme, all knowing writers, can refer to Trump as a Deity. When someone uses that as a description, of another individual, walking this earth, other than Jesus, that shows me they don't get itโฆ
Instead, maybe you should listen to the epitome of the corporatist, Jamie Dimonโฆ
CEO Jamie Dimon on Wednesday praised former President Donald Trump's record and admonished Democrats to be "more respectful" of Trump's supporters, or else risk hurting President Joe Biden's reelection bid.
"I wish the Democrats would think a little more carefully when they talk about MAGA," Dimon said on CNBC's "Squawk Box," referencing Trump's supporters by the acronym of his "Make America Great Again" campaign slogan.
Biden has warned that Trump and "MAGA Republicans" pose an existential threat to American democracy. But he has also tried to distinguish between Trump's most hardline supporters and "mainstream Republicans," who Biden says make up a majority of the party.
"I think this negative talk about MAGA is going to hurt Biden's election campaign," Dimon said from the World Economic Forum annual meeting in Davos, Switzerland.
Dimon argued that using the phrase "MAGA" incorrectly links Trump's supporters to the former president's personality and character. Democrats "are basically scapegoating them, [saying] that you are like him," Dimon said. "I don't think they're voting for Trump because of his family values," he said. The remarks by Dimon, who has donated to Democratic candidates but previously described himself as "barely a Democrat," came two days after the former president trounced his few remaining Republican rivals in the Iowa caucuses.
In November, Dimon heaped praise on one of Trump's challengers, former United Nations Ambassador Nikki Haley, who finished third in Iowa on Monday.
Dimon also gave Trump credit for his policy record.
"Take a step back, be honest. He was kind of right about NATO, kind of right on immigration. He grew the economy quite well. Trade tax reform worked. He was right about some of China." "He wasn't wrong about some of these critical issues, and that's why they voted for him," Dimon said. Asked which candidate would be better for his business, Dimon said, "I have to be prepared for both. I will be prepared for both. We will deal with both."
"And I hope whoever it is will be respectful of other people," he added.
The White House did not immediately respond to CNBC's request for comment on Dimon's remarks.
I mean, isn't Dimon just saying Dem elites shouldn't think of MAGAs as deplorables?
He's clearly right about that, that was some elitist **** that never served any productive purpose. There's a way better way to say what Clinton may have been trying to say that didn't give Pubs talking points about how out of touch lots of Dem elites are (which is true).
But I completely disagree with Dimon downplaying Trump's personality as being a huge part of his gravity as a politician. Most people from either party couldn't name a single policy that their president championed; their vote is more based on personality, feel, general agenda, and most importantly partisanship.
Trumps personality is part of the draw, no doubt. I think what Dems are missing is that his words give Pubs the feeling of being in the room. Civ, your world view (I know you don't like that) essentially prohibits you from seeing what the average Joe seesโฆ
That last statement is what is really driving this whole thing!!
hokiewolf said:
Ok, now re-read the above and pretend it's from Obama's Twitter account. You see nothing wrong with this argument?
packgrad said:hokiewolf said:
Ok, now re-read the above and pretend it's from Obama's Twitter account. You see nothing wrong with this argument?
If Obama had been incessantly misrepresented, harassed and prosecuted, I would see why he would think that, but disagree
packgrad said:
This is the same ridiculous TDS that encompasses every post you make in regards to any post involving Trump, Biden, or Obama. You have no objectivity. You cheerlead lawsuits against him no matter how frivolous. Your straw men are plentiful and without fact as per usual.
Zzz
he'll never do it because he knows it's wrong but he doesn't care to debate itCivilized said:packgrad said:
This is the same ridiculous TDS that encompasses every post you make in regards to any post involving Trump, Biden, or Obama. You have no objectivity. You cheerlead lawsuits against him no matter how frivolous. Your straw men are plentiful and without fact as per usual.
Zzz
You're proving my point. No complaint about Trump is valid. It's all just TDS.
Let's have a contest.
Name all the potentially or clearly criminal behavior by Biden, Obama, and Bush.
Let's compare to Trump.
