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In reply to Civilized • 5:48p, 5/15/24
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Not true. As per usual. The below link shows what Ohio requires to vote. Hilarious that civ thinks a utility bill is an ID.

https://www.ohiosos.gov/elections/voters/id-requirements/

Voter suppression lol. The party that cries wolf.

What was wrong with the old system? The one that worked fine for decades?


What was wrong with telling the truth about their requirements? Why lie?

LOL @ "lie."

What percentage of out of state college students in Ohio are going to have veterans affairs cards, military ID's, national guard ID's, non-driver's State of Ohio ID's, etc.? 1%? Less? It's a dumb distinction. Virtually no students are going to have these. That's the point, you're making them jump through unnecessary hoops.

None of you guys can or will answer the simple question.

Why make it harder for people to vote, when there wasn't fraud before?


100% a lie. What's so hard about telling the truth? Why are you trying to drive a false narrative? It doesn't make it harder for them. Why do you make everyone a victim?
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In reply to packgrad • 5:51p, 5/15/24
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It doesn't make it harder to vote. There's plenty of time to get this done, if they don't already have what is necessary.... which is remarkably unlikely. Why do you find minorities so incompetent?

It has nothing to do with competence and you know it. It has to do with time and money.

In Texas many residents are 100 miles or more from issuing agencies for photo ID.

Not finding it easy to hitch a ride for long distance to go get an ID to vote, when there was nothing about the old system that was broken, is not about competence, it's about resources.

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In reply to Civilized • 5:56p, 5/15/24
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packgrad said:
It doesn't make it harder to vote. There's plenty of time to get this done, if they don't already have what is necessary.... which is remarkably unlikely. Why do you find minorities so incompetent?

It has nothing to do with competence and you know it. It has to do with time and money.

In Texas many residents are 100 miles or more from issuing agencies for photo ID.

Not finding it easy to hitch a ride for long distance to go get an ID to vote, when there was nothing about the old system that was broken, is not about competence, it's about resources.



Are we changing states now? How many residents without IDs are 100 or more miles away from issuing agencies for photo ID? What percentage of the Texas population doesn't have an ID and is hundred plus miles away from issuing agencies for photo ID?

In Texas they allow for your utility bill.
https://www.votetexas.gov/mobile/id-faqs.htm

It is 100% about competence. Resources have nothing to do with it. Why do you think minorities are incompetent?
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In reply to SmaptyWolf • 5:57p, 5/15/24
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You gotta admit it's kinda funny how the Constitution crowd is so eager to require an ID to exercise a Constitutional right. Maybe we should keep that in mind next time we're regulating guns.
Actually, the constitution doesn't explicitly say, every man or woman has a right to vote, until (one can argue) the 26th amendment. Then, you don't get that right until 18. Prior to that, and I still contend, this is left to the States. Now, doing your comparison , to guns, shows your lack of knowledge on constitutional subjects.

Please, try again…
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In reply to packgrad • 5:58p, 5/15/24
packgrad said:
Civilized said:
packgrad said:
It doesn't make it harder to vote. There's plenty of time to get this done, if they don't already have what is necessary.... which is remarkably unlikely. Why do you find minorities so incompetent?

It has nothing to do with competence and you know it. It has to do with time and money.

In Texas many residents are 100 miles or more from issuing agencies for photo ID.

Not finding it easy to hitch a ride for long distance to go get an ID to vote, when there was nothing about the old system that was broken, is not about competence, it's about resources.



Are we changing states now? How many residents without IDs are 100 or more miles away from issuing agencies for photo ID? What percentage of the Texas population doesn't have an ID and is hundred plus miles away from issuing agencies for photo ID?

In Texas they allow for your utility bill.
https://www.votetexas.gov/mobile/id-faqs.htm

It is 100% about competence. Resources have nothing to do with it. Why do you think minorities are incompetent?
Your last sentence keeps getting ignored.
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In reply to Civilized • 5:58p, 5/15/24
Civilized said:
packgrad said:
Civilized said:
packgrad said:
Not true. As per usual. The below link shows what Ohio requires to vote. Hilarious that civ thinks a utility bill is an ID.

https://www.ohiosos.gov/elections/voters/id-requirements/

Voter suppression lol. The party that cries wolf.

What was wrong with the old system? The one that worked fine for decades?


What was wrong with telling the truth about their requirements? Why lie?

LOL @ "lie."

What percentage of out of state college students in Ohio are going to have veterans affairs cards, military ID's, national guard ID's, non-driver's State of Ohio ID's, etc.? 1%? Less? It's a dumb distinction. Virtually no students are going to have these. That's the point, you're making them jump through unnecessary hoops.

None of you guys can or will answer the simple question.

Why make it harder for people to vote, when there wasn't fraud before?


They can vote in their home state without jumping through any hoops. Their choice. You make it sound so difficult for students, but it isn't.
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In reply to packgrad • 6:00p, 5/15/24
packgrad said:
Civilized said:
packgrad said:
It doesn't make it harder to vote. There's plenty of time to get this done, if they don't already have what is necessary.... which is remarkably unlikely. Why do you find minorities so incompetent?

It has nothing to do with competence and you know it. It has to do with time and money.

In Texas many residents are 100 miles or more from issuing agencies for photo ID.

Not finding it easy to hitch a ride for long distance to go get an ID to vote, when there was nothing about the old system that was broken, is not about competence, it's about resources.



Are we changing states now? How many residents without IDs are 100 or more miles away from issuing agencies for photo ID? What percentage of the Texas population doesn't have an ID and is hundred plus miles away from issuing agencies for photo ID?

In Texas they allow for your utility bill.
https://www.votetexas.gov/mobile/id-faqs.htm

It is 100% about competence. Resources have nothing to do with it. Why do you think minorities are incompetent?
God forbid they they need renew their license…. 100 miles away!
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6:20p, 5/15/24
Y'all can do all these gymnastics to try to make it make sense, but nobody can explain how we are better off making it harder for people to vote.

You also can't explain what problem voter ID laws fix. Because, obviously, there is no problem.

The only reason to do it is so y'all will stop drinking the Trump fake voter fraud Kool-Aid and whining about fraud that never existed in the first place.
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In reply to packgrad • 6:29p, 5/15/24
packgrad said:
Civilized said:
packgrad said:
It doesn't make it harder to vote. There's plenty of time to get this done, if they don't already have what is necessary.... which is remarkably unlikely. Why do you find minorities so incompetent?

It has nothing to do with competence and you know it. It has to do with time and money.

In Texas many residents are 100 miles or more from issuing agencies for photo ID.

Not finding it easy to hitch a ride for long distance to go get an ID to vote, when there was nothing about the old system that was broken, is not about competence, it's about resources.



Are we changing states now? How many residents without IDs are 100 or more miles away from issuing agencies for photo ID? What percentage of the Texas population doesn't have an ID and is hundred plus miles away from issuing agencies for photo ID?

In Texas they allow for your utility bill.
https://www.votetexas.gov/mobile/id-faqs.htm

It is 100% about competence. Resources have nothing to do with it. Why do you think minorities are incompetent?

LOLOLOLOL

Nice self-own.

They only allow a utility bill now becuase they got succesfully sued for having undue discriminatory hurdles to voting and were forced by the courts to make a change to their overly rigid voting laws.

Ohio should do the same for students and others. All states should. And they shouldn't need to be taken to federal court to be made to have reasonable access to the polls for their residents.

Avoidance of undue hurdles should be the goal, not creating inneffectual hurdles in the name of fake "election security" practices that don't actually increase security, they just make it harder to vote.
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6:30p, 5/15/24
I mean, if you're not smart enough to figure out a way to get a photo ID in 4 years time should you really be allowed to vote?

If you're not smart enough to do the first how are you smart enough to pick a President?

The ones not wanting voter ID are the one doing the mental gymnastics trying to find reasons not to have it.

If ID is required then it's a rule, right? Follow the rules. Ain't that hard. Mommy and Daddy should have taught you that by age 5.
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In reply to Civilized • 6:31p, 5/15/24
Civilized said:
Y'all can do all these gymnastics to try to make it make sense, but nobody can explain how we are better off making it harder for people to vote.

You also can't explain what problem voter ID laws fix. Because, obviously, there is no problem.

The only reason to do it is so y'all will stop drinking the Trump fake voter fraud Kool-Aid and whining about fraud that never existed in the first place.


Literally nobody is doing gymnastics other than you. It does not make it harder for anyone to vote. Because you are incapable of independent thought, you are unable to see that.

Your Texas argument was even worse than your Ohio argument.
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In reply to Civilized • 6:34p, 5/15/24
Civilized said:
packgrad said:
Civilized said:
packgrad said:
It doesn't make it harder to vote. There's plenty of time to get this done, if they don't already have what is necessary.... which is remarkably unlikely. Why do you find minorities so incompetent?

It has nothing to do with competence and you know it. It has to do with time and money.

In Texas many residents are 100 miles or more from issuing agencies for photo ID.

Not finding it easy to hitch a ride for long distance to go get an ID to vote, when there was nothing about the old system that was broken, is not about competence, it's about resources.



Are we changing states now? How many residents without IDs are 100 or more miles away from issuing agencies for photo ID? What percentage of the Texas population doesn't have an ID and is hundred plus miles away from issuing agencies for photo ID?

In Texas they allow for your utility bill.
https://www.votetexas.gov/mobile/id-faqs.htm

It is 100% about competence. Resources have nothing to do with it. Why do you think minorities are incompetent?

LOLOLOLOL

Nice self-own.

They only allow a utility bill now becuase they got succesfully sued for having undue discriminatory hurdles to voting and were forced by the courts to make a change to their overly rigid voting laws.

Ohio should do the same for students and others. All states should. And they shouldn't need to be taken to federal court to be made to have reasonable access to the polls for their residents.

Avoidance of undue hurdles should be the goal, not creating inneffectual hurdles in the name of fake "election security" practices that don't actually increase security, they just make it harder to vote.


Self own???? lol. My god you are pathetic.

They allow what you were crying about in Ohio and it's still not enough for you.

A utility bill shouldn't be allowed anywhere but Texas does and you're still crying about them.

It does not make it harder for them to vote. Why do you feel minorities are so incompetent? Justify your racism.
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In reply to packgrad • 6:35p, 5/15/24
packgrad said:
Civilized said:
Y'all can do all these gymnastics to try to make it make sense, but nobody can explain how we are better off making it harder for people to vote.

You also can't explain what problem voter ID laws fix. Because, obviously, there is no problem.

The only reason to do it is so y'all will stop drinking the Trump fake voter fraud Kool-Aid and whining about fraud that never existed in the first place.


Literally nobody is doing gymnastics other than you. It does not make it harder for anyone to vote. Because you are incapable of independent thought, you are unable to see that.

Your Texas argument was even worse than your Ohio argument.

The courts clearly disagreed with you since Texas got succesfully sued.

Nice try though!
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In reply to Civilized • 6:39p, 5/15/24
Civilized said:
packgrad said:
Civilized said:
Y'all can do all these gymnastics to try to make it make sense, but nobody can explain how we are better off making it harder for people to vote.

You also can't explain what problem voter ID laws fix. Because, obviously, there is no problem.

The only reason to do it is so y'all will stop drinking the Trump fake voter fraud Kool-Aid and whining about fraud that never existed in the first place.


Literally nobody is doing gymnastics other than you. It does not make it harder for anyone to vote. Because you are incapable of independent thought, you are unable to see that.

Your Texas argument was even worse than your Ohio argument.

The courts clearly disagreed with you since Texas got succesfully sued.

Nice try though!


I've linked what's accepted in both states. Unlike you, I've dealt in fact. Why do you need to lie about what is accepted and the make believe hurdles minorities have to vote? Why do you feel minorities are so incompetent? Do you realize you are racist?
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In reply to Civilized • 6:42p, 5/15/24
Civilized said:
Y'all can do all these gymnastics to try to make it make sense, but nobody can explain how we are better off making it harder for people to vote.

You also can't explain what problem voter ID laws fix. Because, obviously, there is no problem.

The only reason to do it is so y'all will stop drinking the Trump fake voter fraud Kool-Aid and whining about fraud that never existed in the first place.


I have been pro voter id for a very long time. Although they didn't ask for it, I have always brought my id.

There is fraud in every election. We don't really know to what degree, but people have been charged.
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In reply to packofwolves • 6:52p, 5/15/24
packofwolves said:
Civilized said:
Y'all can do all these gymnastics to try to make it make sense, but nobody can explain how we are better off making it harder for people to vote.

You also can't explain what problem voter ID laws fix. Because, obviously, there is no problem.

The only reason to do it is so y'all will stop drinking the Trump fake voter fraud Kool-Aid and whining about fraud that never existed in the first place.


I have been pro voter id for a very long time. Although they didn't ask for it, I have always brought my id.

There is fraud in every election. We don't really know to what degree, but people have been charged.

We do know, because it's been studied a bunch and because no one has ever been able to demonstrate a way to defraud the system on any sort of scale.

Brennan Center: Debunking the Voter Fraud Myth

Look at the litany of studies, papers, and examinations of the issue, and the infinitesimally small amount of voter fraud they all found over decades.
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In reply to packgrad • 6:53p, 5/15/24
packgrad said:
Civilized said:
packgrad said:
Civilized said:
Y'all can do all these gymnastics to try to make it make sense, but nobody can explain how we are better off making it harder for people to vote.

You also can't explain what problem voter ID laws fix. Because, obviously, there is no problem.

The only reason to do it is so y'all will stop drinking the Trump fake voter fraud Kool-Aid and whining about fraud that never existed in the first place.


Literally nobody is doing gymnastics other than you. It does not make it harder for anyone to vote. Because you are incapable of independent thought, you are unable to see that.

Your Texas argument was even worse than your Ohio argument.

The courts clearly disagreed with you since Texas got succesfully sued.

Nice try though!


I've linked what's accepted in both states. Unlike you, I've dealt in fact. Why do you need to lie about what is accepted and the make believe hurdles minorities have to vote? Why do you feel minorities are so incompetent? Do you realize you are racist?

Tell that to the courts that found Texas law restricted voter access!
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6:59p, 5/15/24
The government could issue everyone a social security card with a picture ID on it, I believe slick Willy wanted this when he was in office. It will cost money but it's doable.
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In reply to Civilized • 7:04p, 5/15/24
Civilized said:
packgrad said:
Civilized said:
packgrad said:
Civilized said:
Y'all can do all these gymnastics to try to make it make sense, but nobody can explain how we are better off making it harder for people to vote.

You also can't explain what problem voter ID laws fix. Because, obviously, there is no problem.

The only reason to do it is so y'all will stop drinking the Trump fake voter fraud Kool-Aid and whining about fraud that never existed in the first place.


Literally nobody is doing gymnastics other than you. It does not make it harder for anyone to vote. Because you are incapable of independent thought, you are unable to see that.

Your Texas argument was even worse than your Ohio argument.

The courts clearly disagreed with you since Texas got succesfully sued.

Nice try though!


I've linked what's accepted in both states. Unlike you, I've dealt in fact. Why do you need to lie about what is accepted and the make believe hurdles minorities have to vote? Why do you feel minorities are so incompetent? Do you realize you are racist?

Tell that to the courts that found Texas law restricted voter access!


Tell us why you think minorities are incompetent!
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In reply to packgrad • 7:25p, 5/15/24
Again…crickets
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In reply to ncsupack1 • 7:40p, 5/15/24
ncsupack1 said:
Again…crickets

Lol, it cracks me up when packgrad, BBW and others strut around like they dropped some sort of "gotcha" after their unbelievably dumb arguments cause sane people to just drop the conversation.

This is what happens when the Fuquay-Varina Debate Club hands out too many participation trophies. You should get used to crickets.
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In reply to ncsupack1 • 7:41p, 5/15/24
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Again…crickets

Students aren't "minorities."

Elderly aren't "minorities."

The poor aren't "minorities."

And the issue has nothing to do with "competence" it has to do with ease of access.

It's a bad-faith reframing that's not worthy of a response.

Courts correctly held that Texas voting laws were overly restrictive. You didn't see the court ruling mention anything about "minorities being incompetent," did you?

The issue is strictly about unnecessary impediments to voting access.

Ohio and other states that lack a low-threshold workaround for lack of photo ID would be well-served to implement a similar standard as the courts forced Texas to have.

Given how the amount of fraud approaches zero, it's hard to argue there are many necessary impediments to voting access.

It isn't hard to argue that the right's current fixation on fake voter fraud is grossly disproportionate to the amount of actual voter fraud.
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In reply to Civilized • 7:51p, 5/15/24
Civilized said:
Y'all can do all these gymnastics to try to make it make sense, but nobody can explain how we are better off making it harder for people to vote.

You also can't explain what problem voter ID laws fix. Because, obviously, there is no problem.

The only reason to do it is so y'all will stop drinking the Trump fake voter fraud Kool-Aid and whining about fraud that never existed in the first place.
I can! If we can keep people like Smapty from voting, that will be a win!!
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In reply to caryking • 7:55p, 5/15/24
caryking said:
Civilized said:
Y'all can do all these gymnastics to try to make it make sense, but nobody can explain how we are better off making it harder for people to vote.

You also can't explain what problem voter ID laws fix. Because, obviously, there is no problem.

The only reason to do it is so y'all will stop drinking the Trump fake voter fraud Kool-Aid and whining about fraud that never existed in the first place.
I can! If we can keep people like Smapty from voting, that will be a win!!

Man we need more people that actually think about stuff voting. Hell, we need more people voting period.

We can disagree all we want but people need to think about issues and get out there and vote to try to put good-faith reps in place for all of our sakes.
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In reply to Civilized • 8:00p, 5/15/24
Civilized said:
ncsupack1 said:
Again…crickets

Students aren't "minorities."

Elderly aren't "minorities."

The poor aren't "minorities."

And the issue has nothing to do with "competence" it has to do with ease of access.

It's a bad-faith reframing that's not worthy of a response.

Courts correctly held that Texas voting laws were overly restrictive. You didn't see the court ruling mention anything about "minorities being incompetent," did you?

The issue is strictly about unnecessary impediments to voting access.

Ohio and other states that lack a low-threshold workaround for lack of photo ID would be well-served to implement a similar standard as the courts forced Texas to have.

Given how the amount of fraud approaches zero, it's hard to argue there are many necessary impediments to voting access.

It isn't hard to argue that the right's current fixation on fake voter fraud is grossly disproportionate to the amount of actual voter fraud.



Damn. I'd hate to own tobacco or alcohol shops in those areas since apparently so many people don't have ids
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In reply to Ncsufist • 8:05p, 5/15/24
Ncsufist said:
Civilized said:
ncsupack1 said:
Again…crickets

Students aren't "minorities."

Elderly aren't "minorities."

The poor aren't "minorities."

And the issue has nothing to do with "competence" it has to do with ease of access.

It's a bad-faith reframing that's not worthy of a response.

Courts correctly held that Texas voting laws were overly restrictive. You didn't see the court ruling mention anything about "minorities being incompetent," did you?

The issue is strictly about unnecessary impediments to voting access.

Ohio and other states that lack a low-threshold workaround for lack of photo ID would be well-served to implement a similar standard as the courts forced Texas to have.

Given how the amount of fraud approaches zero, it's hard to argue there are many necessary impediments to voting access.

It isn't hard to argue that the right's current fixation on fake voter fraud is grossly disproportionate to the amount of actual voter fraud.



Damn. I'd hate to own tobacco or alcohol shops in those areas since apparently so many people don't have ids


Fortunately the poor, minorities, and students don't drink or smoke.
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8:12p, 5/15/24
It's hard to argue that ID is an impediment to access. The left depends on victimhood.
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8:22p, 5/15/24
Joe Biden opens 150 new campaign offices in Blue States.

#Devolution #Expand Your Thinking #Eye of The Storm #TheGreatAwakening
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In reply to Civilized • 9:27p, 5/15/24
Civilized said:
packofwolves said:
Civilized said:
Y'all can do all these gymnastics to try to make it make sense, but nobody can explain how we are better off making it harder for people to vote.

You also can't explain what problem voter ID laws fix. Because, obviously, there is no problem.

The only reason to do it is so y'all will stop drinking the Trump fake voter fraud Kool-Aid and whining about fraud that never existed in the first place.


I have been pro voter id for a very long time. Although they didn't ask for it, I have always brought my id.

There is fraud in every election. We don't really know to what degree, but people have been charged.

We do know, because it's been studied a bunch and because no one has ever been able to demonstrate a way to defraud the system on any sort of scale.

Brennan Center: Debunking the Voter Fraud Myth

Look at the litany of studies, papers, and examinations of the issue, and the infinitesimally small amount of voter fraud they all found over decades.


I have read articles on voter fraud and ballot harvesting, but it hasn't changed my opinion on voter id requirements. IDs are already required for so many basic needs. Its a ridiculous argument that it burdens citizens.
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In reply to packofwolves • 9:58p, 5/15/24
packofwolves said:
Civilized said:
packofwolves said:
Civilized said:
Y'all can do all these gymnastics to try to make it make sense, but nobody can explain how we are better off making it harder for people to vote.

You also can't explain what problem voter ID laws fix. Because, obviously, there is no problem.

The only reason to do it is so y'all will stop drinking the Trump fake voter fraud Kool-Aid and whining about fraud that never existed in the first place.


I have been pro voter id for a very long time. Although they didn't ask for it, I have always brought my id.

There is fraud in every election. We don't really know to what degree, but people have been charged.

We do know, because it's been studied a bunch and because no one has ever been able to demonstrate a way to defraud the system on any sort of scale.

Brennan Center: Debunking the Voter Fraud Myth

Look at the litany of studies, papers, and examinations of the issue, and the infinitesimally small amount of voter fraud they all found over decades.


I have read articles on voter fraud and ballot harvesting, but it hasn't changed my opinion on voter id requirements. IDs are already required for so many basic needs. Its a ridiculous argument that it burdens citizens.

If it's not a burden and it's simply required to live life, why do so many eligible voter Americans not have valid photo ID?

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  • Nearly 29 million voting-age U.S. citizens lacked a valid driver's license and over 7 million had no other form of non-expired government-issued photo identification.
  • In states with strict photo identification laws in 2020, over 3 million voting-age U.S. citizens did not have a current driver's license, and over 1 million did not have a non-expired government-issued photo identification.
  • More than 11 million people ages 18-29 did not have a current driver's license, and more than 3 million did not have any unexpired government issued photo ID.
  • Members of underrepresented racial and ethnic groups were less likely to have a current driver's license or other government-issued photo ID. An estimated 1.86 million Black non-Hispanic Americans (6.2%) and 1.86 million Hispanic Americans (6.1%) lack a photo ID, as do 4.5% of those who identify as Native American, Native Alaskan or another race. This compares to just 2.3% of White non-Hispanic Americans and 1.6% of Asian, Native Hawaiian or other Pacific Islander Americans.
  • Individuals with a high school degree or less were the least likely of people of all educational levels to have a current driver's license or any photo ID. Over 18.5 million people who did not complete high school or whose highest level of education is a high school degree did not have a driver's license.
  • The analysis found a strong relationship between income and lack of a driver's license, with adult Americans who earn less than $30,000 lacking a driver's license at a rate about five times greater than the highest income category of $100,000 or more.
  • Those who were not registered and those who did not vote in 2020 were far more likely to lack a current driver's license and any photo ID. Adult Americans who were not registered to vote were three times more likely to lack a driver's license (30%) than those who were registered (11%). The results were similar when comparing 2020 non-voters to 2020 voters, demonstrating the disproportionate barrier that voter ID laws may create for non-voters or infrequent voters, as well as new or first-time voters.

UMD Analysis: Millions of Americans Don't Have ID Required to Vote

It's obvious many millions of Americans don't have photo ID. Whether you think they should or not is immaterial. They don't have them and they've gotten by for decades without them. The fact that so many millions don't have them should tell you it's not as easy or necessary as you think it is.

It's obvious Voter ID requirements keep people from voting. And the people they prevent from voting are more likely to be PoC, especially young and old, and less-educated, or lower income Americans.

Finally, it's obvious we've never had a problem with voter fraud in this country. The issue has been studied exhaustively.

So it doesn't track that we need to make it harder for Americans to vote in order to prevent a problem (consequential voter fraud) that's competely fake - it doesn't exist - and for which there are already many safeguards and disincentives in place.

But flawed as the logic is for Voter ID laws, at least with them it's one less fake problem for people to whine about!

If you want to require photo ID's, figure out how to get them in all Americans' hands without undue barriers, and this issue becomes moot.
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10:41p, 5/15/24
Here's a link to those that conducted Civ's propaganda study.

https://www.voteriders.org/


Literally the top of the page.
"Protect the Right to Vote
Voter ID laws silence millions of Americans"

lol.

A bogus study. Liberals like to flood the web with propaganda. Remember Covid? They did the same thing there. I tend to think people are wisening up to their propaganda. I don't think any non cultist person believes a government id is more difficult to acquire for black people than white people. It's truly shocking how comfortable posters are to continuously double down triple down quadruple down on that. Only radical democrats think that way has been my experience.

Why do millions of people not have a government ID? Their own free will or because they're too challenged in getting an ID? Or, for democrats, because they're a minority? How many of them that want to vote don't or can't get an id? I doubt it is more than a very, very few. And to those I'd just say "life lesson. Figure it out next time."

Dems confuse people having an expired ID as in they are unable to get a new one, as opposed to them not giving a **** if they have a new one. Hell, how did they get the first one? They need them to be victims because people on the left have no serious ideas or solutions in life. They only have victims and people to blame.

It's a tired game that fortunately people are waking up to.

On another note, I see that Peru is now off civ's and fellow democrats travel lists. Science.


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In reply to Civilized • 6:26a, 5/16/24
Sounds to me that we have way too many people illegally get government services. How would I know? I don't! Because they don't have an ID.
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In reply to caryking • 6:47a, 5/16/24
caryking said:
Sounds to me that we have way too many people illegally get government services. How would I know? I don't! Because they don't have an ID.

What does this even mean?
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In reply to Civilized • 8:18a, 5/16/24
Civilized said:
caryking said:
Sounds to me that we have way too many people illegally get government services. How would I know? I don't! Because they don't have an ID.

What does this even mean?
I'll simplify it for you…

People don't have ID's, right?
Most likely, these same people get government services, welfare, Medicaid, or whatever, right?
If they don't have ID's, how do we know if they aren't cheating, getting these services?

So, I say, we have a ton of fraud, because, no one has an ID…

Civ, you should be seriously concerned about all the fraud, within the Government services, people without ID's receive. You know, this type of fraud is costing all of us money! We have to clean it up, immediately! I don't how, you, or anyone can sit by and watch all this fraud happen!
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11:31a, 5/16/24
Has college kids smarts really declined that much. That they are incapable of obtaining a driver's license or special ID from the state in order to vote. I'd almost argue if they were that stupid what are they doing in college.

Why doesn't the Dem party arrange for a mobile DMV truck go around to all of the campuses so these unfortunate students who aren't smart enough to know how to get an ID on their own can apply for a special ID, sure don't want them driving, and register to vote.

I don't know about other states but NC has special mobile trucks to serve under served areas. I would suspect most states have something similar.

As to the statement that the poor are minorities, Biden disagrees with you. He said poor kids are just as smart as white kids.
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