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12:31p, 8/3/26
As I have stated, I am not all that into politics, but does anyone have fun with the names of the twitter accounts that are linked on here?

They seem to be purported as absolute truth, but do people realize that literally anyone can make a twitter account and say anything they want.

I should do an experiment:

I'll start an account with a name like "QTheTruthDeepStateKnower" and I bet within a month it gets quoted on here lol.
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2:35p, 8/3/26
From MTG's lips to God's ears.

Like I said yesterday, good luck fear-mongering over DSA candidates maybe wanting to spend money on actually helping Americans, when Trump's second term has been an unabated disaster.
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In reply to Civilized • 5:29p, 8/3/26
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Is President AOC defying Congress and letting a foreign leader pull her by the nose into a war in which she has no clear plan, no clear goal, which harms the country economically on a daily basis, and in which she has zero leverage to get out? And which all the while emboldens the enemy she impulsively invaded?

What an utter and total embarrassment.

What would President AOC do with Iran?
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In reply to caryking • 5:40p, 8/3/26
What exactly is Trump doing with Iran??
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In reply to caryking • 6:06p, 8/3/26
caryking said:
Civilized said:
Is President AOC defying Congress and letting a foreign leader pull her by the nose into a war in which she has no clear plan, no clear goal, which harms the country economically on a daily basis, and in which she has zero leverage to get out? And which all the while emboldens the enemy she impulsively invaded?

What an utter and total embarrassment.

What would President AOC do with Iran?
I strongly suspect, not invade it in the first place which oddly is exactly the way Trump said he'd handle it too until he reversed course and started taking orders from Bibi for some reason.
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In reply to Civilized • 6:08p, 8/3/26
Civilized said:
caryking said:
Civilized said:
Is President AOC defying Congress and letting a foreign leader pull her by the nose into a war in which she has no clear plan, no clear goal, which harms the country economically on a daily basis, and in which she has zero leverage to get out? And which all the while emboldens the enemy she impulsively invaded?

What an utter and total embarrassment.

What would President AOC do with Iran?
I strongly suspect, not invade it in the first place which oddly is exactly the way Trump said he'd handle it too until he reversed course and started taking orders from Bibi for some reason.


Do you have any proof your President Trump is "taking order from Bibi"?
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6:09p, 8/3/26
Exactly. Letting the pendulum swing back from corporations to labor some isn't communism, it's common sense.

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In reply to caryking • 6:09p, 8/3/26
caryking said:
Civilized said:
Is President AOC defying Congress and letting a foreign leader pull her by the nose into a war in which she has no clear plan, no clear goal, which harms the country economically on a daily basis, and in which she has zero leverage to get out? And which all the while emboldens the enemy she impulsively invaded?

What an utter and total embarrassment.

What would President AOC do with Iran?


My guess is she would send them a pallet of cash in the middle of the night then look the other way as they [wink] don't build a nuclear weapon.
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In reply to Civilized • 6:11p, 8/3/26
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Exactly. Letting the pendulum swing back from corporations to labor some isn't communism, it's common sense.



You are free to pay anyone's medical bills you wish. Post the receipts here for us to see.
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In reply to Gulfstream4 • 6:13p, 8/3/26
Gulfstream4 said:
Civilized said:
caryking said:
Civilized said:
Is President AOC defying Congress and letting a foreign leader pull her by the nose into a war in which she has no clear plan, no clear goal, which harms the country economically on a daily basis, and in which she has zero leverage to get out? And which all the while emboldens the enemy she impulsively invaded?

What an utter and total embarrassment.

What would President AOC do with Iran?
I strongly suspect, not invade it in the first place which oddly is exactly the way Trump said he'd handle it too until he reversed course and started taking orders from Bibi for some reason.


Do you have any proof your President Trump is "taking order from Bibi"?

The burden is on Trump to explain what the **** he's doing in Iran, not on the rest of us to intuit it in a total information vacuum.

He's explained nothing. He's sought no approval from Congress. He's articulated no clear strategy. He's got no clear way out.

All that's 100% on him.
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In reply to Gulfstream4 • 6:16p, 8/3/26
Gulfstream4 said:
Civilized said:
caryking said:
Civilized said:
Is President AOC defying Congress and letting a foreign leader pull her by the nose into a war in which she has no clear plan, no clear goal, which harms the country economically on a daily basis, and in which she has zero leverage to get out? And which all the while emboldens the enemy she impulsively invaded?

What an utter and total embarrassment.

What would President AOC do with Iran?
I strongly suspect, not invade it in the first place which oddly is exactly the way Trump said he'd handle it too until he reversed course and started taking orders from Bibi for some reason.


Do you have any proof your President Trump is "taking order from Bibi"?
he no taking orders from anyone. He just has no strategy

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In reply to Civilized • 6:17p, 8/3/26
Civilized said:
Gulfstream4 said:
Civilized said:
caryking said:
Civilized said:
Is President AOC defying Congress and letting a foreign leader pull her by the nose into a war in which she has no clear plan, no clear goal, which harms the country economically on a daily basis, and in which she has zero leverage to get out? And which all the while emboldens the enemy she impulsively invaded?

What an utter and total embarrassment.

What would President AOC do with Iran?
I strongly suspect, not invade it in the first place which oddly is exactly the way Trump said he'd handle it too until he reversed course and started taking orders from Bibi for some reason.


Do you have any proof your President Trump is "taking order from Bibi"?

The burden is on Trump to explain what the **** he's doing in Iran, not on the rest of us to intuit it in a total information vacuum.

He's explained nothing. He's sought no approval from Congress. He's articulated no clear strategy. He's got no clear way out.

All that's 100% on him.


So…no, you don't. You're just talking out of your * again. Got it.
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In reply to Gulfstream4 • 6:18p, 8/3/26
Gulfstream4 said:
Civilized said:
Exactly. Letting the pendulum swing back from corporations to labor some isn't communism, it's common sense.



You are free to pay anyone's medical bills you wish. Post the receipts here for us to see.

Yet another weird stance.

You're perfectly fine with the federal government giving trillions in handouts to corporations, but have no desire to see the federal government participate in supporting Americans' health care the way that every other developed nation does?

Let's at least agree corporations need to get taxed at a fair rate that more resembles historical corporate tax rates, and not the current joke of a corporate tax rate. We can still argue about what to do with revenue generated, but there is zero reason corporations should have such an easy tax ride.
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In reply to hokiewolf • 6:19p, 8/3/26
hokiewolf said:
Gulfstream4 said:
Civilized said:
caryking said:
Civilized said:
Is President AOC defying Congress and letting a foreign leader pull her by the nose into a war in which she has no clear plan, no clear goal, which harms the country economically on a daily basis, and in which she has zero leverage to get out? And which all the while emboldens the enemy she impulsively invaded?

What an utter and total embarrassment.

What would President AOC do with Iran?
I strongly suspect, not invade it in the first place which oddly is exactly the way Trump said he'd handle it too until he reversed course and started taking orders from Bibi for some reason.


Do you have any proof your President Trump is "taking order from Bibi"?
he no taking orders from anyone. He just has no strategy



He's probably just waiting on your expertise in foreign policy. Email him ASAP.
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In reply to Civilized • 6:22p, 8/3/26
Civilized said:
Gulfstream4 said:
Civilized said:
Exactly. Letting the pendulum swing back from corporations to labor some isn't communism, it's common sense.



You are free to pay anyone's medical bills you wish. Post the receipts here for us to see.

Yet another weird stance.

You're perfectly fine with the federal government giving trillions in handouts to corporations, but have no desire to see the federal government participate in supporting Americans' health care the way that every other developed nation does?

Let's at least agree corporations need to get taxed at a fair rate that more resembles historical corporate tax rates, and not the current joke of a corporate tax rate. We can still argue about what to do with revenue generated, but there is zero reason corporations should have such an easy tax ride.


Does this you are not going to pay for someone else's medical bills? Dog gone it…

Sure Civ, how much is enough? In 5 years are you going to ask for more?

When your corporation lays off people and ask others to pick up the slack, are you going to complain about that too?
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In reply to Gulfstream4 • 6:25p, 8/3/26
Gulfstream4 said:
Civilized said:
Gulfstream4 said:
Civilized said:
caryking said:
Civilized said:
Is President AOC defying Congress and letting a foreign leader pull her by the nose into a war in which she has no clear plan, no clear goal, which harms the country economically on a daily basis, and in which she has zero leverage to get out? And which all the while emboldens the enemy she impulsively invaded?

What an utter and total embarrassment.

What would President AOC do with Iran?
I strongly suspect, not invade it in the first place which oddly is exactly the way Trump said he'd handle it too until he reversed course and started taking orders from Bibi for some reason.


Do you have any proof your President Trump is "taking order from Bibi"?

The burden is on Trump to explain what the **** he's doing in Iran, not on the rest of us to intuit it in a total information vacuum.

He's explained nothing. He's sought no approval from Congress. He's articulated no clear strategy. He's got no clear way out.

All that's 100% on him.


So…no, you don't. You're just talking out of your * again. Got it.

Fine. Since we're playing semantic games, we'll call it "doing favors for Bibi" rather than "taking orders from Bibi." Does that distinction really make any of us feel any better?

Hillary Clinton and others have said that Bibi has been asking the US to do exactly this for years, but nobody was stupid enough to do it until Trump was in office.

Bibi asked, and Trump thought it would be fun, or thought it would help his legacy somehow, or something.

None of us know exactly why he was dumb enough to do it, but it's totally clear at this point that there was no sound reason, and that he has no good way out.
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In reply to Civilized • 6:27p, 8/3/26
Civilized said:
Gulfstream4 said:
Civilized said:
Gulfstream4 said:
Civilized said:
caryking said:
Civilized said:
Is President AOC defying Congress and letting a foreign leader pull her by the nose into a war in which she has no clear plan, no clear goal, which harms the country economically on a daily basis, and in which she has zero leverage to get out? And which all the while emboldens the enemy she impulsively invaded?

What an utter and total embarrassment.

What would President AOC do with Iran?
I strongly suspect, not invade it in the first place which oddly is exactly the way Trump said he'd handle it too until he reversed course and started taking orders from Bibi for some reason.


Do you have any proof your President Trump is "taking order from Bibi"?

The burden is on Trump to explain what the **** he's doing in Iran, not on the rest of us to intuit it in a total information vacuum.

He's explained nothing. He's sought no approval from Congress. He's articulated no clear strategy. He's got no clear way out.

All that's 100% on him.


So…no, you don't. You're just talking out of your * again. Got it.

Fine. Since we're playing semantic games, we'll call it "doing favors for Bibi" rather than "taking orders from Bibi." Does that distinction really make any of us feel any better?

Hillary Clinton and others have said that Bibi has been asking the US to do exactly this for years, but nobody was stupid enough to do it until Trump was in office.

Bibi asked, and Trump thought it would be fun, or thought it would help his legacy somehow, or something.

None of us know exactly why he was dumb enough to do it, but it's totally clear at this point that there was no sound reason, and that he has no good way out.



Hillary?! Haha, come on man.


How has your life changed from when Biden was President to now? Seems pretty similar to me?
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In reply to Gulfstream4 • 6:57p, 8/3/26
Gulfstream4 said:
hokiewolf said:
Gulfstream4 said:
Civilized said:
caryking said:
Civilized said:
Is President AOC defying Congress and letting a foreign leader pull her by the nose into a war in which she has no clear plan, no clear goal, which harms the country economically on a daily basis, and in which she has zero leverage to get out? And which all the while emboldens the enemy she impulsively invaded?

What an utter and total embarrassment.

What would President AOC do with Iran?
I strongly suspect, not invade it in the first place which oddly is exactly the way Trump said he'd handle it too until he reversed course and started taking orders from Bibi for some reason.


Do you have any proof your President Trump is "taking order from Bibi"?
he no taking orders from anyone. He just has no strategy



He's probably just waiting on your expertise in foreign policy. Email him ASAP.
he wouldn't like my plan, it would involve winning
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In reply to Gulfstream4 • 7:01p, 8/3/26
Gulfstream4 said:
caryking said:
Civilized said:
Is President AOC defying Congress and letting a foreign leader pull her by the nose into a war in which she has no clear plan, no clear goal, which harms the country economically on a daily basis, and in which she has zero leverage to get out? And which all the while emboldens the enemy she impulsively invaded?

What an utter and total embarrassment.

What would President AOC do with Iran?


My guess is she would send them a pallet of cash in the middle of the night then look the other way as they [wink] don't build a nuclear weapon.

So Trump's exact peace plan? Expect Trump wanted to send 500 pallets of cash for the same result.
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In reply to SmaptyWolf • 7:10p, 8/3/26
SmaptyWolf said:
Gulfstream4 said:
caryking said:
Civilized said:
Is President AOC defying Congress and letting a foreign leader pull her by the nose into a war in which she has no clear plan, no clear goal, which harms the country economically on a daily basis, and in which she has zero leverage to get out? And which all the while emboldens the enemy she impulsively invaded?

What an utter and total embarrassment.

What would President AOC do with Iran?


My guess is she would send them a pallet of cash in the middle of the night then look the other way as they [wink] don't build a nuclear weapon.

So Trump's exact peace plan? Expect Trump wanted to send 500 pallets of cash for the same result.


What exactly are you talking about?
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In reply to hokiewolf • 7:13p, 8/3/26
hokiewolf said:
Gulfstream4 said:
hokiewolf said:
Gulfstream4 said:
Civilized said:
caryking said:
Civilized said:
Is President AOC defying Congress and letting a foreign leader pull her by the nose into a war in which she has no clear plan, no clear goal, which harms the country economically on a daily basis, and in which she has zero leverage to get out? And which all the while emboldens the enemy she impulsively invaded?

What an utter and total embarrassment.

What would President AOC do with Iran?
I strongly suspect, not invade it in the first place which oddly is exactly the way Trump said he'd handle it too until he reversed course and started taking orders from Bibi for some reason.


Do you have any proof your President Trump is "taking order from Bibi"?
he no taking orders from anyone. He just has no strategy



He's probably just waiting on your expertise in foreign policy. Email him ASAP.
he wouldn't like my plan, it would involve winning


Are we not winning now? If we left today it would take Iran a decade to become the menace they were just a couple months ago.
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In reply to Gulfstream4 • 7:22p, 8/3/26
Gulfstream4 said:
Civilized said:
Gulfstream4 said:
Civilized said:
Gulfstream4 said:
Civilized said:
caryking said:
Civilized said:
Is President AOC defying Congress and letting a foreign leader pull her by the nose into a war in which she has no clear plan, no clear goal, which harms the country economically on a daily basis, and in which she has zero leverage to get out? And which all the while emboldens the enemy she impulsively invaded?

What an utter and total embarrassment.

What would President AOC do with Iran?
I strongly suspect, not invade it in the first place which oddly is exactly the way Trump said he'd handle it too until he reversed course and started taking orders from Bibi for some reason.


Do you have any proof your President Trump is "taking order from Bibi"?

The burden is on Trump to explain what the **** he's doing in Iran, not on the rest of us to intuit it in a total information vacuum.

He's explained nothing. He's sought no approval from Congress. He's articulated no clear strategy. He's got no clear way out.

All that's 100% on him.


So…no, you don't. You're just talking out of your * again. Got it.

Fine. Since we're playing semantic games, we'll call it "doing favors for Bibi" rather than "taking orders from Bibi." Does that distinction really make any of us feel any better?

Hillary Clinton and others have said that Bibi has been asking the US to do exactly this for years, but nobody was stupid enough to do it until Trump was in office.

Bibi asked, and Trump thought it would be fun, or thought it would help his legacy somehow, or something.

None of us know exactly why he was dumb enough to do it, but it's totally clear at this point that there was no sound reason, and that he has no good way out.



Hillary?! Haha, come on man.

How has your life changed from when Biden was President to now? Seems pretty similar to me?

LOL

That's weak sauce and you know it.

Unfortunately for you and Republicans in the midterms, Presidents are judged on macro and national outcomes, not on one American's anecdotal daily routine.

Economic growth
GDP
Employment
Wage growth
Debt/deficit
Foreign policy outcomes
National reputation and security

And there's also the counterfactual problem. It's not "how has my life changed" it's "how would any or all of us be in a better position with more serious, competent leadership and policies in place?"

But you know this already and are just deflecting for fun.
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In reply to Gulfstream4 • 7:23p, 8/3/26
Gulfstream4 said:
hokiewolf said:
Gulfstream4 said:
hokiewolf said:
Gulfstream4 said:
Civilized said:
caryking said:
Civilized said:
Is President AOC defying Congress and letting a foreign leader pull her by the nose into a war in which she has no clear plan, no clear goal, which harms the country economically on a daily basis, and in which she has zero leverage to get out? And which all the while emboldens the enemy she impulsively invaded?

What an utter and total embarrassment.

What would President AOC do with Iran?
I strongly suspect, not invade it in the first place which oddly is exactly the way Trump said he'd handle it too until he reversed course and started taking orders from Bibi for some reason.


Do you have any proof your President Trump is "taking order from Bibi"?
he no taking orders from anyone. He just has no strategy



He's probably just waiting on your expertise in foreign policy. Email him ASAP.
he wouldn't like my plan, it would involve winning


Are we not winning now? If we left today it would take Iran a decade to become the menace they were just a couple months ago.
we are in fact not winning at the moment. Wish we were but we aren't committed. Can't win if you're not committed to winning.
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In reply to Civilized • 7:26p, 8/3/26
Civilized said:
Gulfstream4 said:
Civilized said:
Gulfstream4 said:
Civilized said:
Gulfstream4 said:
Civilized said:
caryking said:
Civilized said:
Is President AOC defying Congress and letting a foreign leader pull her by the nose into a war in which she has no clear plan, no clear goal, which harms the country economically on a daily basis, and in which she has zero leverage to get out? And which all the while emboldens the enemy she impulsively invaded?

What an utter and total embarrassment.

What would President AOC do with Iran?
I strongly suspect, not invade it in the first place which oddly is exactly the way Trump said he'd handle it too until he reversed course and started taking orders from Bibi for some reason.


Do you have any proof your President Trump is "taking order from Bibi"?

The burden is on Trump to explain what the **** he's doing in Iran, not on the rest of us to intuit it in a total information vacuum.

He's explained nothing. He's sought no approval from Congress. He's articulated no clear strategy. He's got no clear way out.

All that's 100% on him.


So…no, you don't. You're just talking out of your * again. Got it.

Fine. Since we're playing semantic games, we'll call it "doing favors for Bibi" rather than "taking orders from Bibi." Does that distinction really make any of us feel any better?

Hillary Clinton and others have said that Bibi has been asking the US to do exactly this for years, but nobody was stupid enough to do it until Trump was in office.

Bibi asked, and Trump thought it would be fun, or thought it would help his legacy somehow, or something.

None of us know exactly why he was dumb enough to do it, but it's totally clear at this point that there was no sound reason, and that he has no good way out.



Hillary?! Haha, come on man.

How has your life changed from when Biden was President to now? Seems pretty similar to me?

LOL

That's weak sauce and you know it.

Unfortunately for you and Republicans in the midterms, Presidents are judged on macro and national outcomes, not on one American's anecdotal daily routine.

Economic growth
GDP
Employment
Wage growth
Debt/deficit
Foreign policy outcomes
National reputation and security

And there's also the counterfactual problem. It's not "how has my life changed" it's "how would any or all of us be in a better position with more serious, competent leadership and policies in place?"

But you know this already and are just deflecting for fun.


My life hasn't really changed and it sounds like your hasn't either.

Maybe I just chose to be happy and you chose to be unhappy?
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In reply to hokiewolf • 7:27p, 8/3/26
hokiewolf said:
Gulfstream4 said:
hokiewolf said:
Gulfstream4 said:
hokiewolf said:
Gulfstream4 said:
Civilized said:
caryking said:
Civilized said:
Is President AOC defying Congress and letting a foreign leader pull her by the nose into a war in which she has no clear plan, no clear goal, which harms the country economically on a daily basis, and in which she has zero leverage to get out? And which all the while emboldens the enemy she impulsively invaded?

What an utter and total embarrassment.

What would President AOC do with Iran?
I strongly suspect, not invade it in the first place which oddly is exactly the way Trump said he'd handle it too until he reversed course and started taking orders from Bibi for some reason.


Do you have any proof your President Trump is "taking order from Bibi"?
he no taking orders from anyone. He just has no strategy



He's probably just waiting on your expertise in foreign policy. Email him ASAP.
he wouldn't like my plan, it would involve winning


Are we not winning now? If we left today it would take Iran a decade to become the menace they were just a couple months ago.
we are in fact not winning at the moment. Wish we were but we aren't committed. Can't win if you're not committed to winning.


With your vast knowledge of warfare and tactics, where are we losing on the battlefield?
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In reply to Gulfstream4 • 8:02p, 8/3/26
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With your vast knowledge of warfare and tactics, where are we losing on the battlefield?

None of them can answer that. The msmedia just tells them that Trump is bad and he is losing so we have to believe everything they say.

Trump is squeezing them economically and militarily and has been for a while. When he says were close to a deal, Iran fires missiles and drones and probably exposes where they are coming from and they get taken out. There is no command and control pretty much anywhere in the country of Iran, but the U. S. is losing? Yea right.

Obviously we have not done the right thing for 47 years, but Trump is doing things differently than anybody thinks he should. Including the Generals on Fox News and others. When this is over, we will know. Trump will decide when it's over and that will on his own timeline. Could we destroy all their infrastructure? Absolutely. When the Iranian revolution starts we want the Persian and Iranian people to be able to live their lives. Patience is needed, but some just cannot see the light.

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In reply to DrummerboyWolf • 8:10p, 8/3/26
DrummerboyWolf said:
Gulfstream4 said:

With your vast knowledge of warfare and tactics, where are we losing on the battlefield?

None of them can answer that. The msmedia just tells them that Trump is bad and he is losing so we have to believe everything they say.

Trump is squeezing them economically and militarily and has been for a while. When he says were close to a deal, Iran fires missiles and drones and probably exposes where they are coming from and they get taken out. There is no command and control pretty much anywhere in the country of Iran, but the U. S. is losing? Yea right.

Obviously we have not done the right thing for 47 years, but Trump is doing things differently than anybody thinks he should. Including the Generals on Fox News and others. When this is over, we will know. Trump will decide when it's over and that will on his own timeline. Could we destroy all their infrastructure? Absolutely. When the Iranian revolution starts we want the Persian and Iranian people to be able to live their lives. Patience is needed, but some just cannot see the light.



They rather see Trump fail than see America succeed. [not pointing fingers at hokie]
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In reply to Gulfstream4 • 8:12p, 8/3/26
Gulfstream4 said:
hokiewolf said:
Gulfstream4 said:
hokiewolf said:
Gulfstream4 said:
hokiewolf said:
Gulfstream4 said:
Civilized said:
caryking said:
Civilized said:
Is President AOC defying Congress and letting a foreign leader pull her by the nose into a war in which she has no clear plan, no clear goal, which harms the country economically on a daily basis, and in which she has zero leverage to get out? And which all the while emboldens the enemy she impulsively invaded?

What an utter and total embarrassment.

What would President AOC do with Iran?
I strongly suspect, not invade it in the first place which oddly is exactly the way Trump said he'd handle it too until he reversed course and started taking orders from Bibi for some reason.


Do you have any proof your President Trump is "taking order from Bibi"?
he no taking orders from anyone. He just has no strategy



He's probably just waiting on your expertise in foreign policy. Email him ASAP.
he wouldn't like my plan, it would involve winning


Are we not winning now? If we left today it would take Iran a decade to become the menace they were just a couple months ago.
we are in fact not winning at the moment. Wish we were but we aren't committed. Can't win if you're not committed to winning.


With your vast knowledge of warfare and tactics, where are we losing on the battlefield?
we are allowing Iran to attack military bases and tankers in the strait, why?
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In reply to Civilized • 8:14p, 8/3/26
Civilized said:
Gulfstream4 said:
Civilized said:
Gulfstream4 said:
Civilized said:
caryking said:
Civilized said:
Is President AOC defying Congress and letting a foreign leader pull her by the nose into a war in which she has no clear plan, no clear goal, which harms the country economically on a daily basis, and in which she has zero leverage to get out? And which all the while emboldens the enemy she impulsively invaded?

What an utter and total embarrassment.

What would President AOC do with Iran?

I strongly suspect, not invade it in the first place which oddly is exactly the way Trump said he'd handle it too until he reversed course and started taking orders from Bibi for some reason.


Do you have any proof your President Trump is "taking order from Bibi"?

The burden is on Trump to explain what the **** he's doing in Iran, not on the rest of us to intuit it in a total information vacuum.

He's explained nothing. He's sought no approval from Congress. He's articulated no clear strategy. He's got no clear way out.

All that's 100% on him.


So…no, you don't. You're just talking out of your * again. Got it.

Fine. Since we're playing semantic games, we'll call it "doing favors for Bibi" rather than "taking orders from Bibi." Does that distinction really make any of us feel any better?

Hillary Clinton and others have said that Bibi has been asking the US to do exactly this for years, but nobody was stupid enough to do it until Trump was in office.

Bibi asked, and Trump thought it would be fun, or thought it would help his legacy somehow, or something.

None of us know exactly why he was dumb enough to do it, but it's totally clear at this point that there was no sound reason, and that he has no good way out.

Hillary Clinton said….case dismissed on that point alone. Sure, Trump has probably done stuff that Bibi wanted and he has been criticized for it. And with the same intensity of some parties, particularly isolationists but others too, who said the same things about Roosevelt supporting Mr. Churchill's war. There's always someone who carps about how much we're helping out an ally. In her case, she likely has no idea that Israel is an ally.
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In reply to Gulfstream4 • 8:25p, 8/3/26
Gulfstream4 said:
Civilized said:
Gulfstream4 said:
Civilized said:
Gulfstream4 said:
Civilized said:
Gulfstream4 said:
Civilized said:
caryking said:
Civilized said:
Is President AOC defying Congress and letting a foreign leader pull her by the nose into a war in which she has no clear plan, no clear goal, which harms the country economically on a daily basis, and in which she has zero leverage to get out? And which all the while emboldens the enemy she impulsively invaded?

What an utter and total embarrassment.

What would President AOC do with Iran?
I strongly suspect, not invade it in the first place which oddly is exactly the way Trump said he'd handle it too until he reversed course and started taking orders from Bibi for some reason.


Do you have any proof your President Trump is "taking order from Bibi"?

The burden is on Trump to explain what the **** he's doing in Iran, not on the rest of us to intuit it in a total information vacuum.

He's explained nothing. He's sought no approval from Congress. He's articulated no clear strategy. He's got no clear way out.

All that's 100% on him.


So…no, you don't. You're just talking out of your * again. Got it.

Fine. Since we're playing semantic games, we'll call it "doing favors for Bibi" rather than "taking orders from Bibi." Does that distinction really make any of us feel any better?

Hillary Clinton and others have said that Bibi has been asking the US to do exactly this for years, but nobody was stupid enough to do it until Trump was in office.

Bibi asked, and Trump thought it would be fun, or thought it would help his legacy somehow, or something.

None of us know exactly why he was dumb enough to do it, but it's totally clear at this point that there was no sound reason, and that he has no good way out.



Hillary?! Haha, come on man.

How has your life changed from when Biden was President to now? Seems pretty similar to me?

LOL

That's weak sauce and you know it.

Unfortunately for you and Republicans in the midterms, Presidents are judged on macro and national outcomes, not on one American's anecdotal daily routine.

Economic growth
GDP
Employment
Wage growth
Debt/deficit
Foreign policy outcomes
National reputation and security

And there's also the counterfactual problem. It's not "how has my life changed" it's "how would any or all of us be in a better position with more serious, competent leadership and policies in place?"

But you know this already and are just deflecting for fun.


My life hasn't really changed and it sounds like your hasn't either.

Maybe I just chose to be happy and you chose to be unhappy?

LOLOL

Your gaslighting is sublime.

When you object to your President AOC starting new wars, grifting at unprecedented levels, covering for pedophiles, trying to overthrow a free and fair and secure election, talking like a senile lunatic, imposing illegal tariffs that stall the economy, getting flagged for money laundering, overseeing gestapo police squads roaming our streets and violating our constitutional rights, or any of the other illegal, unethical, or ridiculous **** Trump does on the daily, I'm going to remind you that if you were just happier, you'd have no issue at all with the mountain of malfeasance that you're watching transpire.

"Just choose happiness, Gulf!"

LOLOLOL
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In reply to Civilized • 8:56p, 8/3/26
Civilized said:
Gulfstream4 said:
Civilized said:
Gulfstream4 said:
Civilized said:
caryking said:
Civilized said:
Is President AOC defying Congress and letting a foreign leader pull her by the nose into a war in which she has no clear plan, no clear goal, which harms the country economically on a daily basis, and in which she has zero leverage to get out? And which all the while emboldens the enemy she impulsively invaded?

What an utter and total embarrassment.

What would President AOC do with Iran?
I strongly suspect, not invade it in the first place which oddly is exactly the way Trump said he'd handle it too until he reversed course and started taking orders from Bibi for some reason.


Do you have any proof your President Trump is "taking order from Bibi"?

The burden is on Trump to explain what the **** he's doing in Iran, not on the rest of us to intuit it in a total information vacuum.

He's explained nothing. He's sought no approval from Congress. He's articulated no clear strategy. He's got no clear way out.

All that's 100% on him.


So…no, you don't. You're just talking out of your * again. Got it.

Fine. Since we're playing semantic games, we'll call it "doing favors for Bibi" rather than "taking orders from Bibi." Does that distinction really make any of us feel any better?

Hillary Clinton and others have said that Bibi has been asking the US to do exactly this for years, but nobody was stupid enough to do it until Trump was in office.

Bibi asked, and Trump thought it would be fun, or thought it would help his legacy somehow, or something.

None of us know exactly why he was dumb enough to do it, but it's totally clear at this point that there was no sound reason, and that he has no good way out.


We still haven't seen or talked much about the Epstein files lately so that certainly seems to be helping him out…
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In reply to Gulfstream4 • 8:58p, 8/3/26
Gulfstream4 said:
hokiewolf said:
Gulfstream4 said:
hokiewolf said:
Gulfstream4 said:
Civilized said:
caryking said:
Civilized said:
Is President AOC defying Congress and letting a foreign leader pull her by the nose into a war in which she has no clear plan, no clear goal, which harms the country economically on a daily basis, and in which she has zero leverage to get out? And which all the while emboldens the enemy she impulsively invaded?

What an utter and total embarrassment.

What would President AOC do with Iran?
I strongly suspect, not invade it in the first place which oddly is exactly the way Trump said he'd handle it too until he reversed course and started taking orders from Bibi for some reason.


Do you have any proof your President Trump is "taking order from Bibi"?
he no taking orders from anyone. He just has no strategy



He's probably just waiting on your expertise in foreign policy. Email him ASAP.
he wouldn't like my plan, it would involve winning


Are we not winning now? If we left today it would take Iran a decade to become the menace they were just a couple months ago.


You're very keen on asking for proof. Didn't Trump obliterate Iran for decades a year ago? Why haven't we won the war yet?? Show me proof!

And don't kick the can down the road again. I want to know how we're winning right now. Not "we're still bleeding them dry! They're running out of those cheap attack drones that our expensive defense missiles are being wasted on! Just wait, another two weeks and they'll be begging for a deal " gaslighting.
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In reply to Gulfstream4 • 9:05p, 8/3/26
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DrummerboyWolf said:
Gulfstream4 said:

With your vast knowledge of warfare and tactics, where are we losing on the battlefield?

None of them can answer that. The msmedia just tells them that Trump is bad and he is losing so we have to believe everything they say.

Trump is squeezing them economically and militarily and has been for a while. When he says were close to a deal, Iran fires missiles and drones and probably exposes where they are coming from and they get taken out. There is no command and control pretty much anywhere in the country of Iran, but the U. S. is losing? Yea right.

Obviously we have not done the right thing for 47 years, but Trump is doing things differently than anybody thinks he should. Including the Generals on Fox News and others. When this is over, we will know. Trump will decide when it's over and that will on his own timeline. Could we destroy all their infrastructure? Absolutely. When the Iranian revolution starts we want the Persian and Iranian people to be able to live their lives. Patience is needed, but some just cannot see the light.



They rather see Trump fail than see America succeed. [not pointing fingers at hokie]


Again, quit this BS. By your logic, every "Let's Go Brandon" flag was cheering on the demise of America.
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In reply to Gulfstream4 • 10:30p, 8/3/26
Gulfstream4 said:
SmaptyWolf said:
Gulfstream4 said:
caryking said:
Civilized said:
Is President AOC defying Congress and letting a foreign leader pull her by the nose into a war in which she has no clear plan, no clear goal, which harms the country economically on a daily basis, and in which she has zero leverage to get out? And which all the while emboldens the enemy she impulsively invaded?

What an utter and total embarrassment.

What would President AOC do with Iran?


My guess is she would send them a pallet of cash in the middle of the night then look the other way as they [wink] don't build a nuclear weapon.

So Trump's exact peace plan? Expect Trump wanted to send 500 pallets of cash for the same result.


What exactly are you talking about?

I'm sure it's confusing given how many times Trump has already declared victory.

You really don't remember the big "deal" announcement a while back where Iran's leaders were suddenly "very smart" and would be handed ALL of their frozen assets and Trump really didn't care about going after the nuclear material after all? Pretty sure the deal was called the You Can Have Whatever You Want I Don't Care Just Make This Go Away Before The Midterms Accords.

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Tariffs, the wonder drug!

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