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TheStorm
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Gulfstream4 said:

At least 5 people arrested in alleged tampering with Reflecting Pool

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/least-five-people-arrested-allegedly-tampering-reflecting-pool-officia-rcna351154
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Democrats have lost their minds. Can you imagine being this consumed with Trump Derangement Syndrome?

Some here (including Dave) would have sworn it was just being made up like Spectrum anchors were doing until this morning...
hokiewolf
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TheStorm said:

Gulfstream4 said:

At least 5 people arrested in alleged tampering with Reflecting Pool

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/least-five-people-arrested-allegedly-tampering-reflecting-pool-officia-rcna351154
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Democrats have lost their minds. Can you imagine being this consumed with Trump Derangement Syndrome?

Some here (including Dave) would have sworn it was just being made up like Spectrum anchors were doing until this morning...
i am more inclined to believe the coating failed and not some conspiracy of vandalism.

But good to know y'all care about vandalism again. I have been unsure since 2020, since smearing **** on the Capitol walls was not vandalism
Gulfstream4
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hokiewolf said:

TheStorm said:

Gulfstream4 said:

At least 5 people arrested in alleged tampering with Reflecting Pool

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/least-five-people-arrested-allegedly-tampering-reflecting-pool-officia-rcna351154
- - -

Democrats have lost their minds. Can you imagine being this consumed with Trump Derangement Syndrome?

Some here (including Dave) would have sworn it was just being made up like Spectrum anchors were doing until this morning...
i am more inclined to believe the coating failed and not some conspiracy of vandalism.

But good to know y'all care about vandalism again. I have been unsure since 2020, since smearing **** on the Capitol walls was not vandalism


So you think at least 5 people were arrested for conspiracy theory? Come on man, just admit you were wrong and move on.



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Gulfstream4 said:

hokiewolf said:

TheStorm said:

Gulfstream4 said:

At least 5 people arrested in alleged tampering with Reflecting Pool

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/least-five-people-arrested-allegedly-tampering-reflecting-pool-officia-rcna351154
- - -

Democrats have lost their minds. Can you imagine being this consumed with Trump Derangement Syndrome?

Some here (including Dave) would have sworn it was just being made up like Spectrum anchors were doing until this morning...
i am more inclined to believe the coating failed and not some conspiracy of vandalism.

But good to know y'all care about vandalism again. I have been unsure since 2020, since smearing **** on the Capitol walls was not vandalism


So you think at least 5 people were arrested for conspiracy theory? Come on man, just admit you were wrong and move on.


No, 5 people were arrested because Trump is desperate to not look incompetent. This whole thing is the perfect metaphor for Project 2025, and he knows it.

The Olympic guy was arrested for picking up a paint chip. They have cameras running there 24/7. Why haven't we seen footage splashed all over the news? The only "evidence" of an "algae conspiracy" is coming from Trump's ass, again.

Man, you literally will believe anything. Werewolf's excuse is that he's an unmedicated slobbering lunatic. What's yours?
Werewolf
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Gulfstream4 said:

At least 5 people arrested in alleged tampering with Reflecting Pool

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/least-five-people-arrested-allegedly-tampering-reflecting-pool-officia-rcna351154
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Democrats have lost their minds. Can you imagine being this consumed with Trump Derangement Syndrome?


It may reveal the whereabouts of #dave. He seems to be missing the last day or so.
hokiewolf
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Gulfstream4 said:

hokiewolf said:

TheStorm said:

Gulfstream4 said:

At least 5 people arrested in alleged tampering with Reflecting Pool

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/least-five-people-arrested-allegedly-tampering-reflecting-pool-officia-rcna351154
- - -

Democrats have lost their minds. Can you imagine being this consumed with Trump Derangement Syndrome?

Some here (including Dave) would have sworn it was just being made up like Spectrum anchors were doing until this morning...
i am more inclined to believe the coating failed and not some conspiracy of vandalism.

But good to know y'all care about vandalism again. I have been unsure since 2020, since smearing **** on the Capitol walls was not vandalism


So you think at least 5 people were arrested for conspiracy theory? Come on man, just admit you were wrong and move on.




that's a couple thousand less than Jan 6th and you think that was a conspiracy, so....
Werewolf
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#Sieve, #Sieve, #Sieve.....ya just can't make this stuff up! Right?
Werewolf
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When the truth is fully told re connection of Haiti to Clinton to Epstein to Bush to numerous deliveries of children overseas to places like Cambodia etc.....it will bring down two presidential regimes and 3 European monarchies.....if I heard Juan's interview correctly last night.
Civilized
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Gulfstream4 said:

Civilized said:

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hokiewolf said:

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I40Wolf said:

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I40Wolf said:

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hokiewolf said:

Gulfstream4 said:

SmaptyWolf said:

"The meda can't be trusted, so I'll just keep the Iran "deal" a secret and tell you what's in it myself!"

Man, if only this bulls**t had worked on my parents when I was a kid.


It's my opinion YOUR great President Trump is getting Israel on board and working out the last details. That's why he's keeping it low key for now.

You are never going to get the truth with the media. Most of us know this by now. That is not their job. Their job is to tell you what their management tells them to say.

here is the unvarnished MOU for you to read directly this despicable surrender.



Please enlighten us on how this is victory for the US


Iran doesn't get a nuclear weapon?

ISOs of cash.


What exactly are you talking about?


We've gone from pallets to ISOs


Not one red cent comes from the American tax payer.

I'm skeptical Iran will meet the stipulations required for the release of frozen Iranian funds, but we will see.

it doesn't matter where the money comes from. They got $1.7B and look how much damage that did. Now we're giving them potentially $100+B of their money and a $300B rebuilding fund.

If we destroyed only military targets, why are we promising $300B to fix them?

This is an utter disaster that no one other than crazy people are celebrating. It's outright disgraceful. Trying to defend this crap deal shows a lot about a he populist right. They have no conviction or backbone. It's on to the next thing.

It's constant deflection and nihilism.

Literally nothing matters. Not laws, not norms, not allies, not corruption, not self-dealing, not professional conduct, not serious governance, not caring for the poor or weak or oppressed, not the Constitution, nothing.

The sooner this cynical and unethical and totally unserious crowd gets replaced, the better off America will be.

Actually, I take that back. One thing matters, and that's pissing off the left. If the left is unhappy, we must be heading in the proper direction!


The left is ALWAYS pissed off. You hated Bush, called him all kinds of disgusting names. You hated McCain, called him all kinds of disgusting names….then you liked him for disagreeing with Trump. You hate Trump and call him all kinds of disgusting names. You'll hate the next person with an (R) behind their name and you'll call them all kinds of disgusting names too. Maybe it just you and your democrat party that's the problem?


I didn't do those things so you can quit the 'you' stuff.

I didn't hate Bush or call him names. I always said he'd make a great next-door neighbor and seemed like a good dude, I just had some simple policy disagreements with him. I disagreed with him leaning into the religious right so much and being on the wrong side of LGBTQ rights. I disagreed with him on tax cuts and abortion rights. I agreed with him on immigration and sensible paths to citizenship. I agreed with him on health care and his support of global health initiatives. He did a great job uniting and leading the country through 9/11. He approached the office with the requisite seriousness and professionalism.

I definitely didn't hate McCain, I liked him a lot. Romney too. What was there to dislike? Those were two professional, kind, considerate, competent guys. I liked Obama as president more, but those were two fine choices for President.

We don't even need to discuss Trump. It's obvious to 70% of America and the entirety of the world how poor a person and President he is. He earns and deserves the criticism he receives and the era of his Presidency will go down as a stain on our country's history.


Poppycock good sir. You'll hate the next (R) too. It's today's Democrat party.


Yeah there's a really good chance of that given how (R)'s now value unserious, grifting, conspiratorial loons obsessed with culture war issues, instead of true leaders.

Nominate serious, likeable candidates if you want people to like them.
Civilized
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Gulfstream4 said:

Civilized said:

Oldsouljer said:

Werewolf said:

#Sieve, please stay with us here in the WC......looking forward to it!


And how does that square with the USSC finding that Trump has an executive privilege shield? The same should apply to Obama, and it scorches my tongue to say that.

It obviously doesn't square. And that doesn't matter.

The goal is to distract from Trump's colossal failure in Iran, and the massive hole he's dug for Republicans in the midterms, not an actually sound prosecutorial strategy.


If you really believed what you said, shouldn't you be happy about this "massive hole he dug for Republicans in the midterm"?

Why are you so concerned?


Who said I was concerned?

I'm only pointing out the obvious, that the latest Obama witch hunt is an obvious attempted distraction from otherworldly Trump Administration ineptitude.
Werewolf
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#Sieve insists likeability and eloquence are the primary characteristics necessary for the executive executing the administration of a $1T+ budget. Yep, that's essential, NOT.

Now, let's rid ourselves of some of this unnecessary excessive infiltration of un-American values. Controlled immigration and we continue to stand, Massive uncontrolled immigration and we fall.
Werewolf
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#Sieve, how many of these will be required to get to 14 million?
Werewolf
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#dave, go easy on the butter, my friend.
Werewolf
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#Cary, my friend, did you catch any of the White House's Q posts? ;-)
Werewolf
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LOL, never ever doubt ole Were, NEVER EVER, #SIeve.
Civilized
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SmaptyWolf said:

Gulfstream4 said:

hokiewolf said:

TheStorm said:

Gulfstream4 said:

At least 5 people arrested in alleged tampering with Reflecting Pool

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/least-five-people-arrested-allegedly-tampering-reflecting-pool-officia-rcna351154
- - -

Democrats have lost their minds. Can you imagine being this consumed with Trump Derangement Syndrome?

Some here (including Dave) would have sworn it was just being made up like Spectrum anchors were doing until this morning...

i am more inclined to believe the coating failed and not some conspiracy of vandalism.

But good to know y'all care about vandalism again. I have been unsure since 2020, since smearing **** on the Capitol walls was not vandalism


So you think at least 5 people were arrested for conspiracy theory? Come on man, just admit you were wrong and move on.


No, 5 people were arrested because Trump is desperate to not look incompetent. This whole thing is the perfect metaphor for Project 2025, and he knows it.

The Olympic guy was arrested for picking up a paint chip. They have cameras running there 24/7. Why haven't we seen footage splashed all over the news? The only "evidence" of an "algae conspiracy" is coming from Trump's ass, again.

Man, you literally will believe anything. Werewolf's excuse is that he's an unmedicated slobbering lunatic. What's yours?


It is impossible to quantify how stupid Trump thinks his base, and his defenders, are, to believe this BS.
Werewolf
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#SIeve, you're sounding a little desperate, maybe unglued. You're sounding like #Nappy.
Werewolf
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Werewolf said:

#dave, go easy on the butter, my friend.


Making sure all the #sheeple and #Q naysayers see this. Look carefully.
Of course, you haven't looked very carefully for the last 10 years, why should I ask for a miracle here. LOL
Werewolf
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Did we all see this White House post? Don't ever EVER doubt ole Were. U got it, #dave?
hokiewolf
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Here's why I don't believe the Reflecting Pool was significantly vandalized. Not saying someone didn't try something stupid, but this is a bonding failure and not sabotage.

1. The Reflecting Pool renovations Obama did included a chemical sealer that was dusted on the concrete as it was finished after placement.

2. General rule - you can't bond waterproofing directly to waterproofing.

3. 2 above is important, because I don't believe the concrete substrate was prepared properly.

4. The product used is Rhino Linings Pipeliner 5000, which is similar to the pickup truck spray bed liner.

It is used to coat the interior of pipes to extend their life and in water treatment plant tanks and pools.

In all the literature and technical data I've looked at, I can't find anywhere where this product has been used in the manner similar to the Reflecting Pool, in that it's applied to a substrate that has previously been waterproofed.

5. Have you tried to cut Rhinoliner with a razor blade? 1, it's pretty difficult and 2, because of the adhesion bond, you can just pull it up.

6. I've done a bunch of waterproofing coatings in my time, and the best ones were at the beginning of my career because they would adhere to everything. But then they realized all that cool stuff that really makes it stick causes cancer, so it is important to monitor your substrate, your weather, and application to make sure it sticks.

7. So here's where and why I think the liner failed:

- no design documents due to the desire to complete the project on an accelerated timeline

- improper selection of product - it doesn't have a proven track record for this type of application

- substrate not prepared properly. They didn't scarify the substrate to eliminate the layer of concrete that was penetrated by the previous sealer

- no monitoring of temperature or humidity during application.

- no testing of the concrete for moisture to make sure the concrete was within the moisture tolerances within the technical data of the product

- not properly following the application instructions, particularly the time in which the edge stays "wet" ie uncured as you apply coats.

- mil thickness not meeting the recommended thickness for the product, nor a specified mil thickness because there wasn't any design oversight.

- driving a convoy of heavy vehicles over uncured product.

So, which do you think is more likely:

a) Sabotage by evil left leftwingers?

Or

b) A rush job by a non qualified contractor who was given no guidelines and applied an incorrect product incorrectly?

I'm going with b) being most likely.

But hey, I'm sure the contract that was signed has liquidated damages and 1 year workmanship warranty and a product warranty, right??

TheStorm
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I think it's hilarious that someone here actually thinks that a government bid (or otherwise) job doesn't have a set of specs involved? I mean this is Contractor 101 stuff, but someone here only thinks their own company is capable of these Contractor 101 jobs that are performed all across this country?

Don't you understand how ridiculous you sound?

But yeah... I don't know anything for sure - just like you don't, but thanks for telling a story from an expert level that normal people learn when they even tackle a garage epoxy job with a kit they bought at Lowes.

Yes, you have to etch the concrete to remove any previous sealants that may have been applied if it's a smooth surface - and if a previous coating is already in place then its surface must be broken up to allow a proper adherence of a new coating. I forget the name of the piece of equipment that you use for this, but rest assured I have personally used it before and know exactly why it gets used in the specialty floor coating trade.

Maybe if we could have just used a contractor that has illegals working for it - maybe, just maybe mind you - this wouldn't have been a problem... or at least that's the only real take I can come away with from this ridiculous stance that is being exhibited here.

Civilized
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hokiewolf said:

Here's why I don't believe the Reflecting Pool was significantly vandalized. Not saying someone didn't try something stupid, but this is a bonding failure and not sabotage.

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So, which do you think is more likely:

a) Sabotage by evil left leftwingers?

Or

b) A rush job by a non qualified contractor who was given no guidelines and applied an incorrect product incorrectly?

I'm going with b) being most likely.

But hey, I'm sure the contract that was signed has liquidated damages and 1 year workmanship warranty and a product warranty, right??




Hokie's on the case!

And, b). Obviously.

"People" vandalized the pool just like "people" committed widespread election fraud in 2020.

It's totally and transparently bull*****

How Trump's water-carriers aren't insulted by being thought of as idiots by their dear leader, I'll never understand.

TheStorm
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TheStorm said:

I think it's hilarious that someone here actually thinks that a government bid (or otherwise) job doesn't have a set of specs involved? I mean this is Contractor 101 stuff, but someone here only thinks their own company is capable of these Contractor 101 jobs that are performed all across this country?

Don't you understand how ridiculous you sound?

But yeah... I don't know anything for sure - just like you don't, but thanks for telling a story from an expert level that normal people learn when they even tackle a garage epoxy job with a kit they bought at Lowes.

Yes, you have to etch the concrete to remove any previous sealants that may have been applied if it's a smooth surface - and if a previous coating is already in place then its surface must be broken up to allow a proper adherence of a new coating. I forget the name of the piece of equipment that you use for this, but rest assured I have personally used it before and know exactly why it gets used in the specialty floor coating trade.

Maybe if we could have just used a contractor that has illegals working for it - maybe, just maybe mind you - this wouldn't have been a problem... or at least that's the only real take I can come away with from this ridiculous stance that is being exhibited here.



Now x 2.
TheStorm
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TheStorm said:

TheStorm said:

I think it's hilarious that someone here actually thinks that a government bid (or otherwise) job doesn't have a set of specs involved? I mean this is Contractor 101 stuff, but someone here only thinks their own company is capable of these Contractor 101 jobs that are performed all across this country?

Don't you understand how ridiculous you sound?

But yeah... I don't know anything for sure - just like you don't, but thanks for telling a story from an expert level that normal people learn when they even tackle a garage epoxy job with a kit they bought at Lowes.

Yes, you have to etch the concrete to remove any previous sealants that may have been applied if it's a smooth surface - and if a previous coating is already in place then its surface must be broken up to allow a proper adherence of a new coating. I forget the name of the piece of equipment that you use for this, but rest assured I have personally used it before and know exactly why it gets used in the specialty floor coating trade.

Maybe if we could have just used a contractor that has illegals working for it - maybe, just maybe mind you - this wouldn't have been a problem... or at least that's the only real take I can come away with from this ridiculous stance that is being exhibited here.



Now x 2.

The only two contractors within the entire length of the Atlantic Seaboard that know how to do this job correctly also just so happen to post on this message board... just think how lucky we are!
hokiewolf
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You seem offended by a plausible explanation.

This was an emergency no bid repair contract that was awarded to a company that's never done this work who then subbed it out to a legit company that's does a good job lining pipes and wastewater tanks.

It's a shame they are going to be dragged through the mud because the project wasn't properly designed.

And how do I know this? Well, the timeline leads me to question whether there was a design, because this was all done in like 90 days.

For the full procurement process, from design to bid to start of construction would have been longer than 90 days.

Further, looking at how the project wasn't properly managed, it looked like these guys who were way over their head cowboyed it like they can get away with in a storm structure or a water treatment plant. But this is the Reflecting Pool, I would expect more professionalism.

Things I didn't see:

They didn't set a grid so that they could tie the application section to the weather during which the product was applied

They did zero test squares at various thicknesses to make sure there was proper adherence. They just started painting. No quality control.

The application looked haphazard, and the pictures of the stuff floating up had visible thickness differences.

In any of the thousands of videos and photos, I don't see any monitoring equipment, I don't see any machines to scarify the concrete (I.e blast ball bearings at the concrete, not etching).

I also wouldn't have allowed the President to drive his motorcade through uncured application

But hey you put in a garage epoxy kit from Lowe's so your right.

Just accept the fact that I'm excellent at my job, and I'm excellent because I've made a ton of mistakes and I know how to do it right.

If you need my bonafides, ask were to shoot you a link to my LinkedIn, since he's now stalking me outside of this forum.

hokiewolf
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I'll give Clark / AECOM their props, they're doing the ball room on cost plus fixed fee. Good for them! No risk!
Gulfstream4
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hokiewolf said:

Gulfstream4 said:

hokiewolf said:

TheStorm said:

Gulfstream4 said:

At least 5 people arrested in alleged tampering with Reflecting Pool

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/least-five-people-arrested-allegedly-tampering-reflecting-pool-officia-rcna351154
- - -

Democrats have lost their minds. Can you imagine being this consumed with Trump Derangement Syndrome?

Some here (including Dave) would have sworn it was just being made up like Spectrum anchors were doing until this morning...
i am more inclined to believe the coating failed and not some conspiracy of vandalism.

But good to know y'all care about vandalism again. I have been unsure since 2020, since smearing **** on the Capitol walls was not vandalism


So you think at least 5 people were arrested for conspiracy theory? Come on man, just admit you were wrong and move on.




that's a couple thousand less than Jan 6th and you think that was a conspiracy, so....


So when these people are convicted you are going to say the same?

Yes or no? I'm trying to collect receipts….so yes or no?
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