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Does anyone believe Greenlanders are Americans or should be? Where do we stand on the subject of colonization?


Are Alaskans Americans? Are Hawaiians American? Heck, are Somali's Americans?


You'll cry about immigration today but nothing you can do after colonizing different places in the world. Look no further than the UK. Most their "immigration problems" are from UK born people. It's a pretty tight rope to walk if you want immigration enforcement and expansionist policy


I'll ask again, are Alaskans and Hawaiians Americans?


They are, yep. Do you want Greenland to be Americans, share your tax paying money with them rather than fix things within our borders?

I asked the first question and you're yet to answer it. But you keep asking your questions



Great. Then the people of Greenland can be Americans too? I would rather share my tax money with Greenland than Somalia. You?

What is your exact question again?


My question is whether or not you think America should take over Greenland against their will. It sounds like you think the answer is yes. I was just curious of the common sentiment around here. I got it now

I personally don't see a world where doing that and decreasing the national debt / small government influence on individual lives (something I'm passionate about) can coexist.


"Take over" is a disingenuous question. Next you'll drop the "stolen land" catch phrase?

Do I think America should acquire Greenland for national security and to keep Russia/China out of the Western Hemisphere, yes I do.

Would you rather China/Russia be to the west, south (Venezuela) and to the east in Greenland?


I'm fundamentally small government. I don't believe the government in any form is competent enough to protect the right of individual people. It's just that


So, what would you do? Allow America to get boxed in?

How are they going to get boxed in exactly?


We have China/Russia to the west. Nothing we can do about that. We get boxed in if they get a toehold in South America, which they were doing in Venezuela and in the East if they get a toehold in Greenland.

I'd rather play offense now than defense in 20 years.

Brother, that's what Article 5 of NATO is for…

Exactly.

Greenland ain't the moon or Mars. It's not finders keepers.

Russia and China aren't starting WWIII by invading at NATO nation's territory, and if you think that's actually a concern, we and our NATO allies can load it up with troops. We can do that at any point unilaterally if we want to.

This obviously isn't about Russia and China because if it was we'd engage with our allies on it.

It's some combo of Trump being demented and thinking this is real-life Monopoly and him wanting to bogart Greenland's natural resources.
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Gulfstream4 said:

Civilized said:

Gulfstream4 said:

wolfme said:

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wolfme said:

Gulfstream4 said:

wolfme said:

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wolfme said:

Gulfstream4 said:

wolfme said:

Does anyone believe Greenlanders are Americans or should be? Where do we stand on the subject of colonization?


Are Alaskans Americans? Are Hawaiians American? Heck, are Somali's Americans?


You'll cry about immigration today but nothing you can do after colonizing different places in the world. Look no further than the UK. Most their "immigration problems" are from UK born people. It's a pretty tight rope to walk if you want immigration enforcement and expansionist policy


I'll ask again, are Alaskans and Hawaiians Americans?


They are, yep. Do you want Greenland to be Americans, share your tax paying money with them rather than fix things within our borders?

I asked the first question and you're yet to answer it. But you keep asking your questions



Great. Then the people of Greenland can be Americans too? I would rather share my tax money with Greenland than Somalia. You?

What is your exact question again?


My question is whether or not you think America should take over Greenland against their will. It sounds like you think the answer is yes. I was just curious of the common sentiment around here. I got it now

I personally don't see a world where doing that and decreasing the national debt / small government influence on individual lives (something I'm passionate about) can coexist.


"Take over" is a disingenuous question. Next you'll drop the "stolen land" catch phrase?

Do I think America should acquire Greenland for national security and to keep Russia/China out of the Western Hemisphere, yes I do.

Would you rather China/Russia be to the west, south (Venezuela) and to the east in Greenland?


I'm fundamentally small government. I don't believe the government in any form is competent enough to protect the right of individual people. It's just that


So, what would you do? Allow America to get boxed in?

How are they going to get boxed in exactly?


We have China/Russia to the west. Nothing we can do about that. We get boxed in if they get a toehold in South America, which they were doing in Venezuela and in the East if they get a toehold in Greenland.

I'd rather play offense now than defense in 20 years.

They're invading a NATO nation to "get a toehold?"

And NATO is just going to sit on their hands and watch?

Really?

Russia and China aren't starting WWIII over Greenland.
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Civilized
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Shocking. Another grossly unpopular brain fart.

Name one major action or stance by this administration that enjoys majority support in the US right now.

Big fat nope on:
Economy
Health care
ICE enforcement
Epstein
Venezuela
Drug boat "war"
Fed
Greenland

Maybe Iran?
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"LOLOLOL"

jkpackfan
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Just another example of democrats being absolute scum.

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Civilized said:

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Civilized said:

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When people like civ are crying, you know America is winning.




I'm just curious because this is an interesting point. What is America "winning" at?


Wow, curious, you don't know what Americas winning at? Sad what a man has done to millions of people in this country. Can't see the forest for the trees.

Grok provides an easy cut and paste summary. I hope it gives you some perspective on what an amazing country this is.

Economy
Trade Wins: The U.S. trade deficit just hit a five-year low (down 35% year-over-year), exports are up 6% to near all-time highs, and the gap with China is at its second-smallest since 2009. Trump's tariffs are reshaping global trade in America's favorproving protectionism works for U.S. workers.
Growth & Housing: GDP growth hit 4.3%, stocks are rising, inflation is low, and Trump just announced a $200 billion mortgage bond purchase to slash rates immediately. The American Dream (homeownership) is back big time.
Overall Power: Largest economy in the world (by far), leading producer of oil and natural gas, and the biggest coal reserves. Global stocks are up 30% worldwide, but America's focused policies are pulling ahead.
Military & Global Influence
Military Spending: #1 by a massive marginno one else comes close.
Defense Industry: Top 5 arms companies are all American, generating nearly $189 billion in revenue (China's top 3 combined: $62 billion).
Alliances & Competition: Biden's last speech claimed America is "winning the worldwide competition" with stronger NATO and weaker adversaries. Trump's team is building on that with isolationist "America First" wins, like skepticism on endless foreign aid.
Innovation & Culture
Top Universities: 11 of the world's top 15 are in the U.S.
Entertainment & Soft Power: Hollywood, music, and pop culture dominate globally (e.g., Harry Styles dropping surprise content, Grammy winners everywhere).
Tech & Jobs: Best jobs in 2026 are in U.S.-heavy fields like nurse practitioner, financial manager, IT, and AI. CES 2026 awards are going to American innovations left and right.
Sports (Because Freedom)
Basketball: Team USA just won its fifth straight Olympic gold in men's basketball (and dominates track & field medals).
Hockey: U.S. men won the World Championship gold for the first time since 1933ending a 92-year drought!
Upcoming: Hosting the 2026 FIFA World Cup across North Americamassive global spotlight.
Sure, not everything's perfect (e.g., debates on wars, tariffs raising some prices short-term, or slipping in certain university research rankings to China). But the momentum is undeniable: secure borders, booming exports, lower deficits, and a president focused on making America rich again. As one viral sentiment puts it, "America is backenjoy winning!"
2026 is the year of America's 250th birthday, Route 66's 100th, and events like the World Cup. We're not just participatingwe're leading.



That's crazy you got so defensive and spit out an AI summary to answer such a basic question. We all want America to win. I was just asking what you personally think America is winning at from your view as a citizen. Not an AI circle jerk. America has been winning like that for decades, not just recently

Brother most Americans share your question, and are dissatisfied with the answers these days even if packgrad and others on here refuse to engage in good faith on topic.

It's completely possible to have a reasonable discussion about how Biden and Dems didn't do enough to secure the border, but that masked ICE goons unconstitutionally abusing their power ain't the solution.

Or about how we all want a strong economy with inflation in check and reasonable interest rates, but attacking the independence of the Fed and tariffing the world in most cases punitively and not protectively ain't the solution.

But if you're hoping for good-faith conversations about the nuances of these and other topics, you won't often find them here unfortunately.



Democrats set the world on fire then complain when someone else must clean it up.

We would not be in such a mess if you didn't elect a crazy old man who didn't know which planet he was on. Now 10-20 MILLION illegals (no one knows who these people are) must be deported and now you want due process? Where was the due process the last four years?

I've said before it's not a perfect system. There will be mistakes made given the sheer number of ILLEGALS your guy allowed into the country.

But we have deported way more criminals and illegals than American citizens who have been inconvenienced. If sanctuary city would work with ICE these arrests could be made in jails or detention centers where we know exactly who these people are and not on the streets where we have to search for the person (which inconveniences citizens) Again, democrats eff everything up then complain about the clean up.



I like how you and jk and packgrad and others on here reflexively blame Biden and Dems for literally every problem in the world but unfortunately for you it ain't quite that simple.

No, Biden didn't let in 10 million illegals, not even in the wildest of semi-reputable estimates. The actual number is likely less than half that.

The number of illegals quadrupled from 1990-2010 and has risen around 40% since then.

Yeah, ~3 million likely came in under Biden, which ballooned the number from 11 to 14 million.

We've had between 10 and 15 million illegals in the country for 20 or 25 years, including during Trump's first term. So it's clear it got worse under Biden but it's a problem that's been decades in the making.

Why is it all of a sudden an emergency, where the only apparent solution (to you) is unconstitutional?

Why all of a sudden is the solution to deport millions of law-abiding immigrants? That definitely wasn't what Trump said he'd do when he got elected.

What happened to focusing on deporting criminals? That has broad bipartisan support. How did we instead get here, where we have poorly trained masked ICE mall cops illegally stopping and in some cases detaining and arresting and shooting people with no PC, illegally violating the 4th Amendment?

That's obviously not the only feasible solution here. George Bush proposed healthier, legal, and far more sensible solutions than this 20 years ago, and this was post-9/11 and with him having deep history in on the the states most heavily impacted by illegal immigration.

It's definitely not legal, popular, or even necessary.

It is definitely Stephen Miller's wet dream though, and it is definitely unpopular as hell and going to be an albatross for Pubs in 2026.


Why all of a sudden is it an emergency? Have you been living under a rock? Housing, jobs, crime, schools, hospitals just to name a few.

Law abiding immigrants….you mean law abiding ILLEGALS? So we should open the doors to everyone in the world just so they are law abiding? How many would you let in. 10 million? 20 million? 100 million? Give me a number of law abiding people Civ would let freely into the country?

Your President Trumps said he would start with the worst and that's what they are trying to do with no help from the democrats. None.

I've said it's not going to be a perfect system given the size of the mess this administration is trying to clean up. There will be mistakes made. But there have been way more criminals and illegals deported than mistakes made. Do you disagree with that? Your party could help but you choose to resist and then complain about it all to GET TRUMP.

GB was HATED by the left. It's just you now hate Trump so you'll pretend like GB was great. You think democrats would ever have gone along with GB? I don't, no way.

No due process in but due process out? It's only in your information bubble where it's not popular. Not necessary? Lol-okay.

Something-something Stephen Miller [yawn]

What did Trump say he was going to do when he got elected?

What changed?

Harassing people on the street and asking for papers from brown people with accents is not "going after the worst of the worst."

Y'all are going to be very surprised later this year when you'll have no choice but to reckon with it not being just Democrats that disagree with this Administration's dishonesty, incompetence, and lunacy.


ICE is "harassing people on the street" because democrats, in sanctuary cities won't detain known criminals….so ICE has to look for people (investigate)

I think the party not in the WH always does better than the party in the WH. It's not the flex you keep pretending it is.
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Gulfstream4 said:

Civilized said:

Gulfstream4 said:

Civilized said:

Gulfstream4 said:

Civilized said:

wolfme said:

packgrad said:

wolfme said:

packgrad said:

When people like civ are crying, you know America is winning.




I'm just curious because this is an interesting point. What is America "winning" at?


Wow, curious, you don't know what Americas winning at? Sad what a man has done to millions of people in this country. Can't see the forest for the trees.

Grok provides an easy cut and paste summary. I hope it gives you some perspective on what an amazing country this is.

Economy
Trade Wins: The U.S. trade deficit just hit a five-year low (down 35% year-over-year), exports are up 6% to near all-time highs, and the gap with China is at its second-smallest since 2009. Trump's tariffs are reshaping global trade in America's favorproving protectionism works for U.S. workers.
Growth & Housing: GDP growth hit 4.3%, stocks are rising, inflation is low, and Trump just announced a $200 billion mortgage bond purchase to slash rates immediately. The American Dream (homeownership) is back big time.
Overall Power: Largest economy in the world (by far), leading producer of oil and natural gas, and the biggest coal reserves. Global stocks are up 30% worldwide, but America's focused policies are pulling ahead.
Military & Global Influence
Military Spending: #1 by a massive marginno one else comes close.
Defense Industry: Top 5 arms companies are all American, generating nearly $189 billion in revenue (China's top 3 combined: $62 billion).
Alliances & Competition: Biden's last speech claimed America is "winning the worldwide competition" with stronger NATO and weaker adversaries. Trump's team is building on that with isolationist "America First" wins, like skepticism on endless foreign aid.
Innovation & Culture
Top Universities: 11 of the world's top 15 are in the U.S.
Entertainment & Soft Power: Hollywood, music, and pop culture dominate globally (e.g., Harry Styles dropping surprise content, Grammy winners everywhere).
Tech & Jobs: Best jobs in 2026 are in U.S.-heavy fields like nurse practitioner, financial manager, IT, and AI. CES 2026 awards are going to American innovations left and right.
Sports (Because Freedom)
Basketball: Team USA just won its fifth straight Olympic gold in men's basketball (and dominates track & field medals).
Hockey: U.S. men won the World Championship gold for the first time since 1933ending a 92-year drought!
Upcoming: Hosting the 2026 FIFA World Cup across North Americamassive global spotlight.
Sure, not everything's perfect (e.g., debates on wars, tariffs raising some prices short-term, or slipping in certain university research rankings to China). But the momentum is undeniable: secure borders, booming exports, lower deficits, and a president focused on making America rich again. As one viral sentiment puts it, "America is backenjoy winning!"
2026 is the year of America's 250th birthday, Route 66's 100th, and events like the World Cup. We're not just participatingwe're leading.



That's crazy you got so defensive and spit out an AI summary to answer such a basic question. We all want America to win. I was just asking what you personally think America is winning at from your view as a citizen. Not an AI circle jerk. America has been winning like that for decades, not just recently

Brother most Americans share your question, and are dissatisfied with the answers these days even if packgrad and others on here refuse to engage in good faith on topic.

It's completely possible to have a reasonable discussion about how Biden and Dems didn't do enough to secure the border, but that masked ICE goons unconstitutionally abusing their power ain't the solution.

Or about how we all want a strong economy with inflation in check and reasonable interest rates, but attacking the independence of the Fed and tariffing the world in most cases punitively and not protectively ain't the solution.

But if you're hoping for good-faith conversations about the nuances of these and other topics, you won't often find them here unfortunately.



Democrats set the world on fire then complain when someone else must clean it up.

We would not be in such a mess if you didn't elect a crazy old man who didn't know which planet he was on. Now 10-20 MILLION illegals (no one knows who these people are) must be deported and now you want due process? Where was the due process the last four years?

I've said before it's not a perfect system. There will be mistakes made given the sheer number of ILLEGALS your guy allowed into the country.

But we have deported way more criminals and illegals than American citizens who have been inconvenienced. If sanctuary city would work with ICE these arrests could be made in jails or detention centers where we know exactly who these people are and not on the streets where we have to search for the person (which inconveniences citizens) Again, democrats eff everything up then complain about the clean up.



I like how you and jk and packgrad and others on here reflexively blame Biden and Dems for literally every problem in the world but unfortunately for you it ain't quite that simple.

No, Biden didn't let in 10 million illegals, not even in the wildest of semi-reputable estimates. The actual number is likely less than half that.

The number of illegals quadrupled from 1990-2010 and has risen around 40% since then.

Yeah, ~3 million likely came in under Biden, which ballooned the number from 11 to 14 million.

We've had between 10 and 15 million illegals in the country for 20 or 25 years, including during Trump's first term. So it's clear it got worse under Biden but it's a problem that's been decades in the making.

Why is it all of a sudden an emergency, where the only apparent solution (to you) is unconstitutional?

Why all of a sudden is the solution to deport millions of law-abiding immigrants? That definitely wasn't what Trump said he'd do when he got elected.

What happened to focusing on deporting criminals? That has broad bipartisan support. How did we instead get here, where we have poorly trained masked ICE mall cops illegally stopping and in some cases detaining and arresting and shooting people with no PC, illegally violating the 4th Amendment?

That's obviously not the only feasible solution here. George Bush proposed healthier, legal, and far more sensible solutions than this 20 years ago, and this was post-9/11 and with him having deep history in on the the states most heavily impacted by illegal immigration.

It's definitely not legal, popular, or even necessary.

It is definitely Stephen Miller's wet dream though, and it is definitely unpopular as hell and going to be an albatross for Pubs in 2026.


Why all of a sudden is it an emergency? Have you been living under a rock? Housing, jobs, crime, schools, hospitals just to name a few.

Law abiding immigrants….you mean law abiding ILLEGALS? So we should open the doors to everyone in the world just so they are law abiding? How many would you let in. 10 million? 20 million? 100 million? Give me a number of law abiding people Civ would let freely into the country?

Your President Trumps said he would start with the worst and that's what they are trying to do with no help from the democrats. None.

I've said it's not going to be a perfect system given the size of the mess this administration is trying to clean up. There will be mistakes made. But there have been way more criminals and illegals deported than mistakes made. Do you disagree with that? Your party could help but you choose to resist and then complain about it all to GET TRUMP.

GB was HATED by the left. It's just you now hate Trump so you'll pretend like GB was great. You think democrats would ever have gone along with GB? I don't, no way.

No due process in but due process out? It's only in your information bubble where it's not popular. Not necessary? Lol-okay.

Something-something Stephen Miller [yawn]

What did Trump say he was going to do when he got elected?

What changed?

Harassing people on the street and asking for papers from brown people with accents is not "going after the worst of the worst."

Y'all are going to be very surprised later this year when you'll have no choice but to reckon with it not being just Democrats that disagree with this Administration's dishonesty, incompetence, and lunacy.


ICE is "harassing people on the street" because democrats, in sanctuary cities won't detain known criminals….so ICE has to look for people (investigate)

I think the party not in the WH always does better than the party in the WH. It's not the flex you keep pretending it is.

Yeah but we keep being told America voted for this.

If that's true then 26 will look rosy for Republicans.

Can't have it both ways.
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Gulfstream4 said:

Civilized said:

Gulfstream4 said:

Civilized said:

Gulfstream4 said:

Civilized said:

wolfme said:

packgrad said:

wolfme said:

packgrad said:

When people like civ are crying, you know America is winning.




I'm just curious because this is an interesting point. What is America "winning" at?


Wow, curious, you don't know what Americas winning at? Sad what a man has done to millions of people in this country. Can't see the forest for the trees.

Grok provides an easy cut and paste summary. I hope it gives you some perspective on what an amazing country this is.

Economy
Trade Wins: The U.S. trade deficit just hit a five-year low (down 35% year-over-year), exports are up 6% to near all-time highs, and the gap with China is at its second-smallest since 2009. Trump's tariffs are reshaping global trade in America's favorproving protectionism works for U.S. workers.
Growth & Housing: GDP growth hit 4.3%, stocks are rising, inflation is low, and Trump just announced a $200 billion mortgage bond purchase to slash rates immediately. The American Dream (homeownership) is back big time.
Overall Power: Largest economy in the world (by far), leading producer of oil and natural gas, and the biggest coal reserves. Global stocks are up 30% worldwide, but America's focused policies are pulling ahead.
Military & Global Influence
Military Spending: #1 by a massive marginno one else comes close.
Defense Industry: Top 5 arms companies are all American, generating nearly $189 billion in revenue (China's top 3 combined: $62 billion).
Alliances & Competition: Biden's last speech claimed America is "winning the worldwide competition" with stronger NATO and weaker adversaries. Trump's team is building on that with isolationist "America First" wins, like skepticism on endless foreign aid.
Innovation & Culture
Top Universities: 11 of the world's top 15 are in the U.S.
Entertainment & Soft Power: Hollywood, music, and pop culture dominate globally (e.g., Harry Styles dropping surprise content, Grammy winners everywhere).
Tech & Jobs: Best jobs in 2026 are in U.S.-heavy fields like nurse practitioner, financial manager, IT, and AI. CES 2026 awards are going to American innovations left and right.
Sports (Because Freedom)
Basketball: Team USA just won its fifth straight Olympic gold in men's basketball (and dominates track & field medals).
Hockey: U.S. men won the World Championship gold for the first time since 1933ending a 92-year drought!
Upcoming: Hosting the 2026 FIFA World Cup across North Americamassive global spotlight.
Sure, not everything's perfect (e.g., debates on wars, tariffs raising some prices short-term, or slipping in certain university research rankings to China). But the momentum is undeniable: secure borders, booming exports, lower deficits, and a president focused on making America rich again. As one viral sentiment puts it, "America is backenjoy winning!"
2026 is the year of America's 250th birthday, Route 66's 100th, and events like the World Cup. We're not just participatingwe're leading.



That's crazy you got so defensive and spit out an AI summary to answer such a basic question. We all want America to win. I was just asking what you personally think America is winning at from your view as a citizen. Not an AI circle jerk. America has been winning like that for decades, not just recently

Brother most Americans share your question, and are dissatisfied with the answers these days even if packgrad and others on here refuse to engage in good faith on topic.

It's completely possible to have a reasonable discussion about how Biden and Dems didn't do enough to secure the border, but that masked ICE goons unconstitutionally abusing their power ain't the solution.

Or about how we all want a strong economy with inflation in check and reasonable interest rates, but attacking the independence of the Fed and tariffing the world in most cases punitively and not protectively ain't the solution.

But if you're hoping for good-faith conversations about the nuances of these and other topics, you won't often find them here unfortunately.



Democrats set the world on fire then complain when someone else must clean it up.

We would not be in such a mess if you didn't elect a crazy old man who didn't know which planet he was on. Now 10-20 MILLION illegals (no one knows who these people are) must be deported and now you want due process? Where was the due process the last four years?

I've said before it's not a perfect system. There will be mistakes made given the sheer number of ILLEGALS your guy allowed into the country.

But we have deported way more criminals and illegals than American citizens who have been inconvenienced. If sanctuary city would work with ICE these arrests could be made in jails or detention centers where we know exactly who these people are and not on the streets where we have to search for the person (which inconveniences citizens) Again, democrats eff everything up then complain about the clean up.



I like how you and jk and packgrad and others on here reflexively blame Biden and Dems for literally every problem in the world but unfortunately for you it ain't quite that simple.

No, Biden didn't let in 10 million illegals, not even in the wildest of semi-reputable estimates. The actual number is likely less than half that.

The number of illegals quadrupled from 1990-2010 and has risen around 40% since then.

Yeah, ~3 million likely came in under Biden, which ballooned the number from 11 to 14 million.

We've had between 10 and 15 million illegals in the country for 20 or 25 years, including during Trump's first term. So it's clear it got worse under Biden but it's a problem that's been decades in the making.

Why is it all of a sudden an emergency, where the only apparent solution (to you) is unconstitutional?

Why all of a sudden is the solution to deport millions of law-abiding immigrants? That definitely wasn't what Trump said he'd do when he got elected.

What happened to focusing on deporting criminals? That has broad bipartisan support. How did we instead get here, where we have poorly trained masked ICE mall cops illegally stopping and in some cases detaining and arresting and shooting people with no PC, illegally violating the 4th Amendment?

That's obviously not the only feasible solution here. George Bush proposed healthier, legal, and far more sensible solutions than this 20 years ago, and this was post-9/11 and with him having deep history in on the the states most heavily impacted by illegal immigration.

It's definitely not legal, popular, or even necessary.

It is definitely Stephen Miller's wet dream though, and it is definitely unpopular as hell and going to be an albatross for Pubs in 2026.


Why all of a sudden is it an emergency? Have you been living under a rock? Housing, jobs, crime, schools, hospitals just to name a few.

Law abiding immigrants….you mean law abiding ILLEGALS? So we should open the doors to everyone in the world just so they are law abiding? How many would you let in. 10 million? 20 million? 100 million? Give me a number of law abiding people Civ would let freely into the country?

Your President Trumps said he would start with the worst and that's what they are trying to do with no help from the democrats. None.

I've said it's not going to be a perfect system given the size of the mess this administration is trying to clean up. There will be mistakes made. But there have been way more criminals and illegals deported than mistakes made. Do you disagree with that? Your party could help but you choose to resist and then complain about it all to GET TRUMP.

GB was HATED by the left. It's just you now hate Trump so you'll pretend like GB was great. You think democrats would ever have gone along with GB? I don't, no way.

No due process in but due process out? It's only in your information bubble where it's not popular. Not necessary? Lol-okay.

Something-something Stephen Miller [yawn]

What did Trump say he was going to do when he got elected?

What changed?

Harassing people on the street and asking for papers from brown people with accents is not "going after the worst of the worst."

Y'all are going to be very surprised later this year when you'll have no choice but to reckon with it not being just Democrats that disagree with this Administration's dishonesty, incompetence, and lunacy.


ICE is "harassing people on the street" because democrats, in sanctuary cities won't detain known criminals….so ICE has to look for people (investigate)

I think the party not in the WH always does better than the party in the WH. It's not the flex you keep pretending it is.

Yes the party in power normally loses the mid terms but I guess we shall see just how bad it is. If I were a betting man I'd say the dems take the house but pubs might hang onto the senate. Long way to go and the economy will be the ultimate decider.
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Ice is not harassing citizens but going after illegals. Being harassed by idiot democrat citizens !
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Gulfstream4 said:

Civilized said:

Gulfstream4 said:

Civilized said:

Gulfstream4 said:

Civilized said:

wolfme said:

packgrad said:

wolfme said:

packgrad said:

When people like civ are crying, you know America is winning.




I'm just curious because this is an interesting point. What is America "winning" at?


Wow, curious, you don't know what Americas winning at? Sad what a man has done to millions of people in this country. Can't see the forest for the trees.

Grok provides an easy cut and paste summary. I hope it gives you some perspective on what an amazing country this is.

Economy
Trade Wins: The U.S. trade deficit just hit a five-year low (down 35% year-over-year), exports are up 6% to near all-time highs, and the gap with China is at its second-smallest since 2009. Trump's tariffs are reshaping global trade in America's favorproving protectionism works for U.S. workers.
Growth & Housing: GDP growth hit 4.3%, stocks are rising, inflation is low, and Trump just announced a $200 billion mortgage bond purchase to slash rates immediately. The American Dream (homeownership) is back big time.
Overall Power: Largest economy in the world (by far), leading producer of oil and natural gas, and the biggest coal reserves. Global stocks are up 30% worldwide, but America's focused policies are pulling ahead.
Military & Global Influence
Military Spending: #1 by a massive marginno one else comes close.
Defense Industry: Top 5 arms companies are all American, generating nearly $189 billion in revenue (China's top 3 combined: $62 billion).
Alliances & Competition: Biden's last speech claimed America is "winning the worldwide competition" with stronger NATO and weaker adversaries. Trump's team is building on that with isolationist "America First" wins, like skepticism on endless foreign aid.
Innovation & Culture
Top Universities: 11 of the world's top 15 are in the U.S.
Entertainment & Soft Power: Hollywood, music, and pop culture dominate globally (e.g., Harry Styles dropping surprise content, Grammy winners everywhere).
Tech & Jobs: Best jobs in 2026 are in U.S.-heavy fields like nurse practitioner, financial manager, IT, and AI. CES 2026 awards are going to American innovations left and right.
Sports (Because Freedom)
Basketball: Team USA just won its fifth straight Olympic gold in men's basketball (and dominates track & field medals).
Hockey: U.S. men won the World Championship gold for the first time since 1933ending a 92-year drought!
Upcoming: Hosting the 2026 FIFA World Cup across North Americamassive global spotlight.
Sure, not everything's perfect (e.g., debates on wars, tariffs raising some prices short-term, or slipping in certain university research rankings to China). But the momentum is undeniable: secure borders, booming exports, lower deficits, and a president focused on making America rich again. As one viral sentiment puts it, "America is backenjoy winning!"
2026 is the year of America's 250th birthday, Route 66's 100th, and events like the World Cup. We're not just participatingwe're leading.



That's crazy you got so defensive and spit out an AI summary to answer such a basic question. We all want America to win. I was just asking what you personally think America is winning at from your view as a citizen. Not an AI circle jerk. America has been winning like that for decades, not just recently

Brother most Americans share your question, and are dissatisfied with the answers these days even if packgrad and others on here refuse to engage in good faith on topic.

It's completely possible to have a reasonable discussion about how Biden and Dems didn't do enough to secure the border, but that masked ICE goons unconstitutionally abusing their power ain't the solution.

Or about how we all want a strong economy with inflation in check and reasonable interest rates, but attacking the independence of the Fed and tariffing the world in most cases punitively and not protectively ain't the solution.

But if you're hoping for good-faith conversations about the nuances of these and other topics, you won't often find them here unfortunately.



Democrats set the world on fire then complain when someone else must clean it up.

We would not be in such a mess if you didn't elect a crazy old man who didn't know which planet he was on. Now 10-20 MILLION illegals (no one knows who these people are) must be deported and now you want due process? Where was the due process the last four years?

I've said before it's not a perfect system. There will be mistakes made given the sheer number of ILLEGALS your guy allowed into the country.

But we have deported way more criminals and illegals than American citizens who have been inconvenienced. If sanctuary city would work with ICE these arrests could be made in jails or detention centers where we know exactly who these people are and not on the streets where we have to search for the person (which inconveniences citizens) Again, democrats eff everything up then complain about the clean up.



I like how you and jk and packgrad and others on here reflexively blame Biden and Dems for literally every problem in the world but unfortunately for you it ain't quite that simple.

No, Biden didn't let in 10 million illegals, not even in the wildest of semi-reputable estimates. The actual number is likely less than half that.

The number of illegals quadrupled from 1990-2010 and has risen around 40% since then.

Yeah, ~3 million likely came in under Biden, which ballooned the number from 11 to 14 million.

We've had between 10 and 15 million illegals in the country for 20 or 25 years, including during Trump's first term. So it's clear it got worse under Biden but it's a problem that's been decades in the making.

Why is it all of a sudden an emergency, where the only apparent solution (to you) is unconstitutional?

Why all of a sudden is the solution to deport millions of law-abiding immigrants? That definitely wasn't what Trump said he'd do when he got elected.

What happened to focusing on deporting criminals? That has broad bipartisan support. How did we instead get here, where we have poorly trained masked ICE mall cops illegally stopping and in some cases detaining and arresting and shooting people with no PC, illegally violating the 4th Amendment?

That's obviously not the only feasible solution here. George Bush proposed healthier, legal, and far more sensible solutions than this 20 years ago, and this was post-9/11 and with him having deep history in on the the states most heavily impacted by illegal immigration.

It's definitely not legal, popular, or even necessary.

It is definitely Stephen Miller's wet dream though, and it is definitely unpopular as hell and going to be an albatross for Pubs in 2026.


Why all of a sudden is it an emergency? Have you been living under a rock? Housing, jobs, crime, schools, hospitals just to name a few.

Law abiding immigrants….you mean law abiding ILLEGALS? So we should open the doors to everyone in the world just so they are law abiding? How many would you let in. 10 million? 20 million? 100 million? Give me a number of law abiding people Civ would let freely into the country?

Your President Trumps said he would start with the worst and that's what they are trying to do with no help from the democrats. None.

I've said it's not going to be a perfect system given the size of the mess this administration is trying to clean up. There will be mistakes made. But there have been way more criminals and illegals deported than mistakes made. Do you disagree with that? Your party could help but you choose to resist and then complain about it all to GET TRUMP.

GB was HATED by the left. It's just you now hate Trump so you'll pretend like GB was great. You think democrats would ever have gone along with GB? I don't, no way.

No due process in but due process out? It's only in your information bubble where it's not popular. Not necessary? Lol-okay.

Something-something Stephen Miller [yawn]

What did Trump say he was going to do when he got elected?

What changed?

Harassing people on the street and asking for papers from brown people with accents is not "going after the worst of the worst."

Y'all are going to be very surprised later this year when you'll have no choice but to reckon with it not being just Democrats that disagree with this Administration's dishonesty, incompetence, and lunacy.


ICE is "harassing people on the street" because democrats, in sanctuary cities won't detain known criminals….so ICE has to look for people (investigate)

I think the party not in the WH always does better than the party in the WH. It's not the flex you keep pretending it is.

"DUUUUUH HEY! We're looking for murderers! You're brown, are yoooooooou a murderer? What about you? You over there, brown guy, pull over! Are yoooooooou a murderer? I'm totally shoving your face in the dirt and investigating!"
Gulfstream4
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SmaptyWolf said:

Gulfstream4 said:

Civilized said:

Gulfstream4 said:

Civilized said:

Gulfstream4 said:

Civilized said:

wolfme said:

packgrad said:

wolfme said:

packgrad said:

When people like civ are crying, you know America is winning.




I'm just curious because this is an interesting point. What is America "winning" at?


Wow, curious, you don't know what Americas winning at? Sad what a man has done to millions of people in this country. Can't see the forest for the trees.

Grok provides an easy cut and paste summary. I hope it gives you some perspective on what an amazing country this is.

Economy
Trade Wins: The U.S. trade deficit just hit a five-year low (down 35% year-over-year), exports are up 6% to near all-time highs, and the gap with China is at its second-smallest since 2009. Trump's tariffs are reshaping global trade in America's favorproving protectionism works for U.S. workers.
Growth & Housing: GDP growth hit 4.3%, stocks are rising, inflation is low, and Trump just announced a $200 billion mortgage bond purchase to slash rates immediately. The American Dream (homeownership) is back big time.
Overall Power: Largest economy in the world (by far), leading producer of oil and natural gas, and the biggest coal reserves. Global stocks are up 30% worldwide, but America's focused policies are pulling ahead.
Military & Global Influence
Military Spending: #1 by a massive marginno one else comes close.
Defense Industry: Top 5 arms companies are all American, generating nearly $189 billion in revenue (China's top 3 combined: $62 billion).
Alliances & Competition: Biden's last speech claimed America is "winning the worldwide competition" with stronger NATO and weaker adversaries. Trump's team is building on that with isolationist "America First" wins, like skepticism on endless foreign aid.
Innovation & Culture
Top Universities: 11 of the world's top 15 are in the U.S.
Entertainment & Soft Power: Hollywood, music, and pop culture dominate globally (e.g., Harry Styles dropping surprise content, Grammy winners everywhere).
Tech & Jobs: Best jobs in 2026 are in U.S.-heavy fields like nurse practitioner, financial manager, IT, and AI. CES 2026 awards are going to American innovations left and right.
Sports (Because Freedom)
Basketball: Team USA just won its fifth straight Olympic gold in men's basketball (and dominates track & field medals).
Hockey: U.S. men won the World Championship gold for the first time since 1933ending a 92-year drought!
Upcoming: Hosting the 2026 FIFA World Cup across North Americamassive global spotlight.
Sure, not everything's perfect (e.g., debates on wars, tariffs raising some prices short-term, or slipping in certain university research rankings to China). But the momentum is undeniable: secure borders, booming exports, lower deficits, and a president focused on making America rich again. As one viral sentiment puts it, "America is backenjoy winning!"
2026 is the year of America's 250th birthday, Route 66's 100th, and events like the World Cup. We're not just participatingwe're leading.



That's crazy you got so defensive and spit out an AI summary to answer such a basic question. We all want America to win. I was just asking what you personally think America is winning at from your view as a citizen. Not an AI circle jerk. America has been winning like that for decades, not just recently

Brother most Americans share your question, and are dissatisfied with the answers these days even if packgrad and others on here refuse to engage in good faith on topic.

It's completely possible to have a reasonable discussion about how Biden and Dems didn't do enough to secure the border, but that masked ICE goons unconstitutionally abusing their power ain't the solution.

Or about how we all want a strong economy with inflation in check and reasonable interest rates, but attacking the independence of the Fed and tariffing the world in most cases punitively and not protectively ain't the solution.

But if you're hoping for good-faith conversations about the nuances of these and other topics, you won't often find them here unfortunately.



Democrats set the world on fire then complain when someone else must clean it up.

We would not be in such a mess if you didn't elect a crazy old man who didn't know which planet he was on. Now 10-20 MILLION illegals (no one knows who these people are) must be deported and now you want due process? Where was the due process the last four years?

I've said before it's not a perfect system. There will be mistakes made given the sheer number of ILLEGALS your guy allowed into the country.

But we have deported way more criminals and illegals than American citizens who have been inconvenienced. If sanctuary city would work with ICE these arrests could be made in jails or detention centers where we know exactly who these people are and not on the streets where we have to search for the person (which inconveniences citizens) Again, democrats eff everything up then complain about the clean up.



I like how you and jk and packgrad and others on here reflexively blame Biden and Dems for literally every problem in the world but unfortunately for you it ain't quite that simple.

No, Biden didn't let in 10 million illegals, not even in the wildest of semi-reputable estimates. The actual number is likely less than half that.

The number of illegals quadrupled from 1990-2010 and has risen around 40% since then.

Yeah, ~3 million likely came in under Biden, which ballooned the number from 11 to 14 million.

We've had between 10 and 15 million illegals in the country for 20 or 25 years, including during Trump's first term. So it's clear it got worse under Biden but it's a problem that's been decades in the making.

Why is it all of a sudden an emergency, where the only apparent solution (to you) is unconstitutional?

Why all of a sudden is the solution to deport millions of law-abiding immigrants? That definitely wasn't what Trump said he'd do when he got elected.

What happened to focusing on deporting criminals? That has broad bipartisan support. How did we instead get here, where we have poorly trained masked ICE mall cops illegally stopping and in some cases detaining and arresting and shooting people with no PC, illegally violating the 4th Amendment?

That's obviously not the only feasible solution here. George Bush proposed healthier, legal, and far more sensible solutions than this 20 years ago, and this was post-9/11 and with him having deep history in on the the states most heavily impacted by illegal immigration.

It's definitely not legal, popular, or even necessary.

It is definitely Stephen Miller's wet dream though, and it is definitely unpopular as hell and going to be an albatross for Pubs in 2026.


Why all of a sudden is it an emergency? Have you been living under a rock? Housing, jobs, crime, schools, hospitals just to name a few.

Law abiding immigrants….you mean law abiding ILLEGALS? So we should open the doors to everyone in the world just so they are law abiding? How many would you let in. 10 million? 20 million? 100 million? Give me a number of law abiding people Civ would let freely into the country?

Your President Trumps said he would start with the worst and that's what they are trying to do with no help from the democrats. None.

I've said it's not going to be a perfect system given the size of the mess this administration is trying to clean up. There will be mistakes made. But there have been way more criminals and illegals deported than mistakes made. Do you disagree with that? Your party could help but you choose to resist and then complain about it all to GET TRUMP.

GB was HATED by the left. It's just you now hate Trump so you'll pretend like GB was great. You think democrats would ever have gone along with GB? I don't, no way.

No due process in but due process out? It's only in your information bubble where it's not popular. Not necessary? Lol-okay.

Something-something Stephen Miller [yawn]

What did Trump say he was going to do when he got elected?

What changed?

Harassing people on the street and asking for papers from brown people with accents is not "going after the worst of the worst."

Y'all are going to be very surprised later this year when you'll have no choice but to reckon with it not being just Democrats that disagree with this Administration's dishonesty, incompetence, and lunacy.


ICE is "harassing people on the street" because democrats, in sanctuary cities won't detain known criminals….so ICE has to look for people (investigate)

I think the party not in the WH always does better than the party in the WH. It's not the flex you keep pretending it is.

"DUUUUUH HEY! We're looking for murderers! You're brown, are yoooooooou a murderer? What about you? You over there, brown guy, pull over! Are yoooooooou a murderer? I'm totally shoving your face in the dirt and investigating!"


Take your meds and make sure your wife does too
Gulfstream4
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Civilized said:

Gulfstream4 said:

Civilized said:

Gulfstream4 said:

Civilized said:

Gulfstream4 said:

Civilized said:

wolfme said:

packgrad said:

wolfme said:

packgrad said:

When people like civ are crying, you know America is winning.




I'm just curious because this is an interesting point. What is America "winning" at?


Wow, curious, you don't know what Americas winning at? Sad what a man has done to millions of people in this country. Can't see the forest for the trees.

Grok provides an easy cut and paste summary. I hope it gives you some perspective on what an amazing country this is.

Economy
Trade Wins: The U.S. trade deficit just hit a five-year low (down 35% year-over-year), exports are up 6% to near all-time highs, and the gap with China is at its second-smallest since 2009. Trump's tariffs are reshaping global trade in America's favorproving protectionism works for U.S. workers.
Growth & Housing: GDP growth hit 4.3%, stocks are rising, inflation is low, and Trump just announced a $200 billion mortgage bond purchase to slash rates immediately. The American Dream (homeownership) is back big time.
Overall Power: Largest economy in the world (by far), leading producer of oil and natural gas, and the biggest coal reserves. Global stocks are up 30% worldwide, but America's focused policies are pulling ahead.
Military & Global Influence
Military Spending: #1 by a massive marginno one else comes close.
Defense Industry: Top 5 arms companies are all American, generating nearly $189 billion in revenue (China's top 3 combined: $62 billion).
Alliances & Competition: Biden's last speech claimed America is "winning the worldwide competition" with stronger NATO and weaker adversaries. Trump's team is building on that with isolationist "America First" wins, like skepticism on endless foreign aid.
Innovation & Culture
Top Universities: 11 of the world's top 15 are in the U.S.
Entertainment & Soft Power: Hollywood, music, and pop culture dominate globally (e.g., Harry Styles dropping surprise content, Grammy winners everywhere).
Tech & Jobs: Best jobs in 2026 are in U.S.-heavy fields like nurse practitioner, financial manager, IT, and AI. CES 2026 awards are going to American innovations left and right.
Sports (Because Freedom)
Basketball: Team USA just won its fifth straight Olympic gold in men's basketball (and dominates track & field medals).
Hockey: U.S. men won the World Championship gold for the first time since 1933ending a 92-year drought!
Upcoming: Hosting the 2026 FIFA World Cup across North Americamassive global spotlight.
Sure, not everything's perfect (e.g., debates on wars, tariffs raising some prices short-term, or slipping in certain university research rankings to China). But the momentum is undeniable: secure borders, booming exports, lower deficits, and a president focused on making America rich again. As one viral sentiment puts it, "America is backenjoy winning!"
2026 is the year of America's 250th birthday, Route 66's 100th, and events like the World Cup. We're not just participatingwe're leading.



That's crazy you got so defensive and spit out an AI summary to answer such a basic question. We all want America to win. I was just asking what you personally think America is winning at from your view as a citizen. Not an AI circle jerk. America has been winning like that for decades, not just recently

Brother most Americans share your question, and are dissatisfied with the answers these days even if packgrad and others on here refuse to engage in good faith on topic.

It's completely possible to have a reasonable discussion about how Biden and Dems didn't do enough to secure the border, but that masked ICE goons unconstitutionally abusing their power ain't the solution.

Or about how we all want a strong economy with inflation in check and reasonable interest rates, but attacking the independence of the Fed and tariffing the world in most cases punitively and not protectively ain't the solution.

But if you're hoping for good-faith conversations about the nuances of these and other topics, you won't often find them here unfortunately.



Democrats set the world on fire then complain when someone else must clean it up.

We would not be in such a mess if you didn't elect a crazy old man who didn't know which planet he was on. Now 10-20 MILLION illegals (no one knows who these people are) must be deported and now you want due process? Where was the due process the last four years?

I've said before it's not a perfect system. There will be mistakes made given the sheer number of ILLEGALS your guy allowed into the country.

But we have deported way more criminals and illegals than American citizens who have been inconvenienced. If sanctuary city would work with ICE these arrests could be made in jails or detention centers where we know exactly who these people are and not on the streets where we have to search for the person (which inconveniences citizens) Again, democrats eff everything up then complain about the clean up.



I like how you and jk and packgrad and others on here reflexively blame Biden and Dems for literally every problem in the world but unfortunately for you it ain't quite that simple.

No, Biden didn't let in 10 million illegals, not even in the wildest of semi-reputable estimates. The actual number is likely less than half that.

The number of illegals quadrupled from 1990-2010 and has risen around 40% since then.

Yeah, ~3 million likely came in under Biden, which ballooned the number from 11 to 14 million.

We've had between 10 and 15 million illegals in the country for 20 or 25 years, including during Trump's first term. So it's clear it got worse under Biden but it's a problem that's been decades in the making.

Why is it all of a sudden an emergency, where the only apparent solution (to you) is unconstitutional?

Why all of a sudden is the solution to deport millions of law-abiding immigrants? That definitely wasn't what Trump said he'd do when he got elected.

What happened to focusing on deporting criminals? That has broad bipartisan support. How did we instead get here, where we have poorly trained masked ICE mall cops illegally stopping and in some cases detaining and arresting and shooting people with no PC, illegally violating the 4th Amendment?

That's obviously not the only feasible solution here. George Bush proposed healthier, legal, and far more sensible solutions than this 20 years ago, and this was post-9/11 and with him having deep history in on the the states most heavily impacted by illegal immigration.

It's definitely not legal, popular, or even necessary.

It is definitely Stephen Miller's wet dream though, and it is definitely unpopular as hell and going to be an albatross for Pubs in 2026.


Why all of a sudden is it an emergency? Have you been living under a rock? Housing, jobs, crime, schools, hospitals just to name a few.

Law abiding immigrants….you mean law abiding ILLEGALS? So we should open the doors to everyone in the world just so they are law abiding? How many would you let in. 10 million? 20 million? 100 million? Give me a number of law abiding people Civ would let freely into the country?

Your President Trumps said he would start with the worst and that's what they are trying to do with no help from the democrats. None.

I've said it's not going to be a perfect system given the size of the mess this administration is trying to clean up. There will be mistakes made. But there have been way more criminals and illegals deported than mistakes made. Do you disagree with that? Your party could help but you choose to resist and then complain about it all to GET TRUMP.

GB was HATED by the left. It's just you now hate Trump so you'll pretend like GB was great. You think democrats would ever have gone along with GB? I don't, no way.

No due process in but due process out? It's only in your information bubble where it's not popular. Not necessary? Lol-okay.

Something-something Stephen Miller [yawn]

What did Trump say he was going to do when he got elected?

What changed?

Harassing people on the street and asking for papers from brown people with accents is not "going after the worst of the worst."

Y'all are going to be very surprised later this year when you'll have no choice but to reckon with it not being just Democrats that disagree with this Administration's dishonesty, incompetence, and lunacy.


ICE is "harassing people on the street" because democrats, in sanctuary cities won't detain known criminals….so ICE has to look for people (investigate)

I think the party not in the WH always does better than the party in the WH. It's not the flex you keep pretending it is.

Yeah but we keep being told America voted for this.

If that's true then 26 will look rosy for Republicans.

Can't have it both ways.


Won every single swing state
packgrad
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Gulfstream4 said:

Civilized said:

Gulfstream4 said:

Civilized said:

Gulfstream4 said:

Civilized said:

Gulfstream4 said:

Civilized said:

wolfme said:

packgrad said:

wolfme said:

packgrad said:

When people like civ are crying, you know America is winning.




I'm just curious because this is an interesting point. What is America "winning" at?


Wow, curious, you don't know what Americas winning at? Sad what a man has done to millions of people in this country. Can't see the forest for the trees.

Grok provides an easy cut and paste summary. I hope it gives you some perspective on what an amazing country this is.

Economy
Trade Wins: The U.S. trade deficit just hit a five-year low (down 35% year-over-year), exports are up 6% to near all-time highs, and the gap with China is at its second-smallest since 2009. Trump's tariffs are reshaping global trade in America's favorproving protectionism works for U.S. workers.
Growth & Housing: GDP growth hit 4.3%, stocks are rising, inflation is low, and Trump just announced a $200 billion mortgage bond purchase to slash rates immediately. The American Dream (homeownership) is back big time.
Overall Power: Largest economy in the world (by far), leading producer of oil and natural gas, and the biggest coal reserves. Global stocks are up 30% worldwide, but America's focused policies are pulling ahead.
Military & Global Influence
Military Spending: #1 by a massive marginno one else comes close.
Defense Industry: Top 5 arms companies are all American, generating nearly $189 billion in revenue (China's top 3 combined: $62 billion).
Alliances & Competition: Biden's last speech claimed America is "winning the worldwide competition" with stronger NATO and weaker adversaries. Trump's team is building on that with isolationist "America First" wins, like skepticism on endless foreign aid.
Innovation & Culture
Top Universities: 11 of the world's top 15 are in the U.S.
Entertainment & Soft Power: Hollywood, music, and pop culture dominate globally (e.g., Harry Styles dropping surprise content, Grammy winners everywhere).
Tech & Jobs: Best jobs in 2026 are in U.S.-heavy fields like nurse practitioner, financial manager, IT, and AI. CES 2026 awards are going to American innovations left and right.
Sports (Because Freedom)
Basketball: Team USA just won its fifth straight Olympic gold in men's basketball (and dominates track & field medals).
Hockey: U.S. men won the World Championship gold for the first time since 1933ending a 92-year drought!
Upcoming: Hosting the 2026 FIFA World Cup across North Americamassive global spotlight.
Sure, not everything's perfect (e.g., debates on wars, tariffs raising some prices short-term, or slipping in certain university research rankings to China). But the momentum is undeniable: secure borders, booming exports, lower deficits, and a president focused on making America rich again. As one viral sentiment puts it, "America is backenjoy winning!"
2026 is the year of America's 250th birthday, Route 66's 100th, and events like the World Cup. We're not just participatingwe're leading.



That's crazy you got so defensive and spit out an AI summary to answer such a basic question. We all want America to win. I was just asking what you personally think America is winning at from your view as a citizen. Not an AI circle jerk. America has been winning like that for decades, not just recently

Brother most Americans share your question, and are dissatisfied with the answers these days even if packgrad and others on here refuse to engage in good faith on topic.

It's completely possible to have a reasonable discussion about how Biden and Dems didn't do enough to secure the border, but that masked ICE goons unconstitutionally abusing their power ain't the solution.

Or about how we all want a strong economy with inflation in check and reasonable interest rates, but attacking the independence of the Fed and tariffing the world in most cases punitively and not protectively ain't the solution.

But if you're hoping for good-faith conversations about the nuances of these and other topics, you won't often find them here unfortunately.



Democrats set the world on fire then complain when someone else must clean it up.

We would not be in such a mess if you didn't elect a crazy old man who didn't know which planet he was on. Now 10-20 MILLION illegals (no one knows who these people are) must be deported and now you want due process? Where was the due process the last four years?

I've said before it's not a perfect system. There will be mistakes made given the sheer number of ILLEGALS your guy allowed into the country.

But we have deported way more criminals and illegals than American citizens who have been inconvenienced. If sanctuary city would work with ICE these arrests could be made in jails or detention centers where we know exactly who these people are and not on the streets where we have to search for the person (which inconveniences citizens) Again, democrats eff everything up then complain about the clean up.



I like how you and jk and packgrad and others on here reflexively blame Biden and Dems for literally every problem in the world but unfortunately for you it ain't quite that simple.

No, Biden didn't let in 10 million illegals, not even in the wildest of semi-reputable estimates. The actual number is likely less than half that.

The number of illegals quadrupled from 1990-2010 and has risen around 40% since then.

Yeah, ~3 million likely came in under Biden, which ballooned the number from 11 to 14 million.

We've had between 10 and 15 million illegals in the country for 20 or 25 years, including during Trump's first term. So it's clear it got worse under Biden but it's a problem that's been decades in the making.

Why is it all of a sudden an emergency, where the only apparent solution (to you) is unconstitutional?

Why all of a sudden is the solution to deport millions of law-abiding immigrants? That definitely wasn't what Trump said he'd do when he got elected.

What happened to focusing on deporting criminals? That has broad bipartisan support. How did we instead get here, where we have poorly trained masked ICE mall cops illegally stopping and in some cases detaining and arresting and shooting people with no PC, illegally violating the 4th Amendment?

That's obviously not the only feasible solution here. George Bush proposed healthier, legal, and far more sensible solutions than this 20 years ago, and this was post-9/11 and with him having deep history in on the the states most heavily impacted by illegal immigration.

It's definitely not legal, popular, or even necessary.

It is definitely Stephen Miller's wet dream though, and it is definitely unpopular as hell and going to be an albatross for Pubs in 2026.


Why all of a sudden is it an emergency? Have you been living under a rock? Housing, jobs, crime, schools, hospitals just to name a few.

Law abiding immigrants….you mean law abiding ILLEGALS? So we should open the doors to everyone in the world just so they are law abiding? How many would you let in. 10 million? 20 million? 100 million? Give me a number of law abiding people Civ would let freely into the country?

Your President Trumps said he would start with the worst and that's what they are trying to do with no help from the democrats. None.

I've said it's not going to be a perfect system given the size of the mess this administration is trying to clean up. There will be mistakes made. But there have been way more criminals and illegals deported than mistakes made. Do you disagree with that? Your party could help but you choose to resist and then complain about it all to GET TRUMP.

GB was HATED by the left. It's just you now hate Trump so you'll pretend like GB was great. You think democrats would ever have gone along with GB? I don't, no way.

No due process in but due process out? It's only in your information bubble where it's not popular. Not necessary? Lol-okay.

Something-something Stephen Miller [yawn]

What did Trump say he was going to do when he got elected?

What changed?

Harassing people on the street and asking for papers from brown people with accents is not "going after the worst of the worst."

Y'all are going to be very surprised later this year when you'll have no choice but to reckon with it not being just Democrats that disagree with this Administration's dishonesty, incompetence, and lunacy.


ICE is "harassing people on the street" because democrats, in sanctuary cities won't detain known criminals….so ICE has to look for people (investigate)

I think the party not in the WH always does better than the party in the WH. It's not the flex you keep pretending it is.

Yeah but we keep being told America voted for this.

If that's true then 26 will look rosy for Republicans.

Can't have it both ways.


Won every single swing state


Targeting Christian churches in search of ICE supporters is an incredible election strategy. Keep it up, Civ!!
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Does anyone believe Greenlanders are Americans or should be? Where do we stand on the subject of colonization?


Are Alaskans Americans? Are Hawaiians American? Heck, are Somali's Americans?


You'll cry about immigration today but nothing you can do after colonizing different places in the world. Look no further than the UK. Most their "immigration problems" are from UK born people. It's a pretty tight rope to walk if you want immigration enforcement and expansionist policy


I'll ask again, are Alaskans and Hawaiians Americans?


They are, yep. Do you want Greenland to be Americans, share your tax paying money with them rather than fix things within our borders?

I asked the first question and you're yet to answer it. But you keep asking your questions



Great. Then the people of Greenland can be Americans too? I would rather share my tax money with Greenland than Somalia. You?

What is your exact question again?


My question is whether or not you think America should take over Greenland against their will. It sounds like you think the answer is yes. I was just curious of the common sentiment around here. I got it now

I personally don't see a world where doing that and decreasing the national debt / small government influence on individual lives (something I'm passionate about) can coexist.


"Take over" is a disingenuous question. Next you'll drop the "stolen land" catch phrase?

Do I think America should acquire Greenland for national security and to keep Russia/China out of the Western Hemisphere, yes I do.

Would you rather China/Russia be to the west, south (Venezuela) and to the east in Greenland?


I'm fundamentally small government. I don't believe the government in any form is competent enough to protect the right of individual people. It's just that


So, what would you do? Allow America to get boxed in?


Their free will and their individual rights matter before I care what happens to America in this dooms day Cold War scenario people have thought up in the Artic.

The way it should've done is through partnership and positive trade deals, like America has done with Europe since WW2. Policy based on suppression and expansion simply has never worked since the beginning of time.

We are not Russia and China and I sure as hell don't want to be.
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Does anyone believe Greenlanders are Americans or should be? Where do we stand on the subject of colonization?


Are Alaskans Americans? Are Hawaiians American? Heck, are Somali's Americans?


You'll cry about immigration today but nothing you can do after colonizing different places in the world. Look no further than the UK. Most their "immigration problems" are from UK born people. It's a pretty tight rope to walk if you want immigration enforcement and expansionist policy


I'll ask again, are Alaskans and Hawaiians Americans?


They are, yep. Do you want Greenland to be Americans, share your tax paying money with them rather than fix things within our borders?

I asked the first question and you're yet to answer it. But you keep asking your questions



Great. Then the people of Greenland can be Americans too? I would rather share my tax money with Greenland than Somalia. You?

What is your exact question again?


My question is whether or not you think America should take over Greenland against their will. It sounds like you think the answer is yes. I was just curious of the common sentiment around here. I got it now

I personally don't see a world where doing that and decreasing the national debt / small government influence on individual lives (something I'm passionate about) can coexist.


"Take over" is a disingenuous question. Next you'll drop the "stolen land" catch phrase?

Do I think America should acquire Greenland for national security and to keep Russia/China out of the Western Hemisphere, yes I do.

Would you rather China/Russia be to the west, south (Venezuela) and to the east in Greenland?


I'm fundamentally small government. I don't believe the government in any form is competent enough to protect the right of individual people. It's just that


So, what would you do? Allow America to get boxed in?


Their free will and their individual rights matter before I care what happens to America in this dooms day Cold War scenario people have thought up in the Artic.

The way it should've done is through partnership and positive trade deals, like America has done with Europe since WW2. Policy based on suppression and expansion simply has never worked since the beginning of time.

We are not Russia and China and I sure as hell don't want to be.


Trump boxes our adversaries out of the Western Hemisphere-democrats outrage

Trump doesn't box our adversaries out of the Western Hemisphere-democrats outrage

However, your virtue signal is received and that along will lead to world peace in the future.
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When people like civ are crying, you know America is winning.




I'm just curious because this is an interesting point. What is America "winning" at?


Wow, curious, you don't know what Americas winning at? Sad what a man has done to millions of people in this country. Can't see the forest for the trees.

Grok provides an easy cut and paste summary. I hope it gives you some perspective on what an amazing country this is.

Economy
Trade Wins: The U.S. trade deficit just hit a five-year low (down 35% year-over-year), exports are up 6% to near all-time highs, and the gap with China is at its second-smallest since 2009. Trump's tariffs are reshaping global trade in America's favorproving protectionism works for U.S. workers.
Growth & Housing: GDP growth hit 4.3%, stocks are rising, inflation is low, and Trump just announced a $200 billion mortgage bond purchase to slash rates immediately. The American Dream (homeownership) is back big time.
Overall Power: Largest economy in the world (by far), leading producer of oil and natural gas, and the biggest coal reserves. Global stocks are up 30% worldwide, but America's focused policies are pulling ahead.
Military & Global Influence
Military Spending: #1 by a massive marginno one else comes close.
Defense Industry: Top 5 arms companies are all American, generating nearly $189 billion in revenue (China's top 3 combined: $62 billion).
Alliances & Competition: Biden's last speech claimed America is "winning the worldwide competition" with stronger NATO and weaker adversaries. Trump's team is building on that with isolationist "America First" wins, like skepticism on endless foreign aid.
Innovation & Culture
Top Universities: 11 of the world's top 15 are in the U.S.
Entertainment & Soft Power: Hollywood, music, and pop culture dominate globally (e.g., Harry Styles dropping surprise content, Grammy winners everywhere).
Tech & Jobs: Best jobs in 2026 are in U.S.-heavy fields like nurse practitioner, financial manager, IT, and AI. CES 2026 awards are going to American innovations left and right.
Sports (Because Freedom)
Basketball: Team USA just won its fifth straight Olympic gold in men's basketball (and dominates track & field medals).
Hockey: U.S. men won the World Championship gold for the first time since 1933ending a 92-year drought!
Upcoming: Hosting the 2026 FIFA World Cup across North Americamassive global spotlight.
Sure, not everything's perfect (e.g., debates on wars, tariffs raising some prices short-term, or slipping in certain university research rankings to China). But the momentum is undeniable: secure borders, booming exports, lower deficits, and a president focused on making America rich again. As one viral sentiment puts it, "America is backenjoy winning!"
2026 is the year of America's 250th birthday, Route 66's 100th, and events like the World Cup. We're not just participatingwe're leading.



That's crazy you got so defensive and spit out an AI summary to answer such a basic question. We all want America to win. I was just asking what you personally think America is winning at from your view as a citizen. Not an AI circle jerk. America has been winning like that for decades, not just recently

Brother most Americans share your question, and are dissatisfied with the answers these days even if packgrad and others on here refuse to engage in good faith on topic.

It's completely possible to have a reasonable discussion about how Biden and Dems didn't do enough to secure the border, but that masked ICE goons unconstitutionally abusing their power ain't the solution.

Or about how we all want a strong economy with inflation in check and reasonable interest rates, but attacking the independence of the Fed and tariffing the world in most cases punitively and not protectively ain't the solution.

But if you're hoping for good-faith conversations about the nuances of these and other topics, you won't often find them here unfortunately.



Democrats set the world on fire then complain when someone else must clean it up.

We would not be in such a mess if you didn't elect a crazy old man who didn't know which planet he was on. Now 10-20 MILLION illegals (no one knows who these people are) must be deported and now you want due process? Where was the due process the last four years?

I've said before it's not a perfect system. There will be mistakes made given the sheer number of ILLEGALS your guy allowed into the country.

But we have deported way more criminals and illegals than American citizens who have been inconvenienced. If sanctuary city would work with ICE these arrests could be made in jails or detention centers where we know exactly who these people are and not on the streets where we have to search for the person (which inconveniences citizens) Again, democrats eff everything up then complain about the clean up.



I like how you and jk and packgrad and others on here reflexively blame Biden and Dems for literally every problem in the world but unfortunately for you it ain't quite that simple.

No, Biden didn't let in 10 million illegals, not even in the wildest of semi-reputable estimates. The actual number is likely less than half that.

The number of illegals quadrupled from 1990-2010 and has risen around 40% since then.

Yeah, ~3 million likely came in under Biden, which ballooned the number from 11 to 14 million.

We've had between 10 and 15 million illegals in the country for 20 or 25 years, including during Trump's first term. So it's clear it got worse under Biden but it's a problem that's been decades in the making.

Why is it all of a sudden an emergency, where the only apparent solution (to you) is unconstitutional?

Why all of a sudden is the solution to deport millions of law-abiding immigrants? That definitely wasn't what Trump said he'd do when he got elected.

What happened to focusing on deporting criminals? That has broad bipartisan support. How did we instead get here, where we have poorly trained masked ICE mall cops illegally stopping and in some cases detaining and arresting and shooting people with no PC, illegally violating the 4th Amendment?

That's obviously not the only feasible solution here. George Bush proposed healthier, legal, and far more sensible solutions than this 20 years ago, and this was post-9/11 and with him having deep history in on the the states most heavily impacted by illegal immigration.

It's definitely not legal, popular, or even necessary.

It is definitely Stephen Miller's wet dream though, and it is definitely unpopular as hell and going to be an albatross for Pubs in 2026.


Why all of a sudden is it an emergency? Have you been living under a rock? Housing, jobs, crime, schools, hospitals just to name a few.

Law abiding immigrants….you mean law abiding ILLEGALS? So we should open the doors to everyone in the world just so they are law abiding? How many would you let in. 10 million? 20 million? 100 million? Give me a number of law abiding people Civ would let freely into the country?

Your President Trumps said he would start with the worst and that's what they are trying to do with no help from the democrats. None.

I've said it's not going to be a perfect system given the size of the mess this administration is trying to clean up. There will be mistakes made. But there have been way more criminals and illegals deported than mistakes made. Do you disagree with that? Your party could help but you choose to resist and then complain about it all to GET TRUMP.

GB was HATED by the left. It's just you now hate Trump so you'll pretend like GB was great. You think democrats would ever have gone along with GB? I don't, no way.

No due process in but due process out? It's only in your information bubble where it's not popular. Not necessary? Lol-okay.

Something-something Stephen Miller [yawn]

What did Trump say he was going to do when he got elected?

What changed?

Harassing people on the street and asking for papers from brown people with accents is not "going after the worst of the worst."

Y'all are going to be very surprised later this year when you'll have no choice but to reckon with it not being just Democrats that disagree with this Administration's dishonesty, incompetence, and lunacy.


ICE is "harassing people on the street" because democrats, in sanctuary cities won't detain known criminals….so ICE has to look for people (investigate)

I think the party not in the WH always does better than the party in the WH. It's not the flex you keep pretending it is.

Yeah but we keep being told America voted for this.

If that's true then 26 will look rosy for Republicans.

Can't have it both ways.


Won every single swing state

Based on campaign promises.

Unfortunately they've got an expiration date. You don't get to run on promises twice.

Americans will tell you in 26 whether you actually did "what they voted for" in 24, or not.
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Civilized said:

Gulfstream4 said:

Civilized said:

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Civilized said:

Gulfstream4 said:

Civilized said:

wolfme said:

packgrad said:

wolfme said:

packgrad said:

When people like civ are crying, you know America is winning.




I'm just curious because this is an interesting point. What is America "winning" at?


Wow, curious, you don't know what Americas winning at? Sad what a man has done to millions of people in this country. Can't see the forest for the trees.

Grok provides an easy cut and paste summary. I hope it gives you some perspective on what an amazing country this is.

Economy
Trade Wins: The U.S. trade deficit just hit a five-year low (down 35% year-over-year), exports are up 6% to near all-time highs, and the gap with China is at its second-smallest since 2009. Trump's tariffs are reshaping global trade in America's favorproving protectionism works for U.S. workers.
Growth & Housing: GDP growth hit 4.3%, stocks are rising, inflation is low, and Trump just announced a $200 billion mortgage bond purchase to slash rates immediately. The American Dream (homeownership) is back big time.
Overall Power: Largest economy in the world (by far), leading producer of oil and natural gas, and the biggest coal reserves. Global stocks are up 30% worldwide, but America's focused policies are pulling ahead.
Military & Global Influence
Military Spending: #1 by a massive marginno one else comes close.
Defense Industry: Top 5 arms companies are all American, generating nearly $189 billion in revenue (China's top 3 combined: $62 billion).
Alliances & Competition: Biden's last speech claimed America is "winning the worldwide competition" with stronger NATO and weaker adversaries. Trump's team is building on that with isolationist "America First" wins, like skepticism on endless foreign aid.
Innovation & Culture
Top Universities: 11 of the world's top 15 are in the U.S.
Entertainment & Soft Power: Hollywood, music, and pop culture dominate globally (e.g., Harry Styles dropping surprise content, Grammy winners everywhere).
Tech & Jobs: Best jobs in 2026 are in U.S.-heavy fields like nurse practitioner, financial manager, IT, and AI. CES 2026 awards are going to American innovations left and right.
Sports (Because Freedom)
Basketball: Team USA just won its fifth straight Olympic gold in men's basketball (and dominates track & field medals).
Hockey: U.S. men won the World Championship gold for the first time since 1933ending a 92-year drought!
Upcoming: Hosting the 2026 FIFA World Cup across North Americamassive global spotlight.
Sure, not everything's perfect (e.g., debates on wars, tariffs raising some prices short-term, or slipping in certain university research rankings to China). But the momentum is undeniable: secure borders, booming exports, lower deficits, and a president focused on making America rich again. As one viral sentiment puts it, "America is backenjoy winning!"
2026 is the year of America's 250th birthday, Route 66's 100th, and events like the World Cup. We're not just participatingwe're leading.



That's crazy you got so defensive and spit out an AI summary to answer such a basic question. We all want America to win. I was just asking what you personally think America is winning at from your view as a citizen. Not an AI circle jerk. America has been winning like that for decades, not just recently

Brother most Americans share your question, and are dissatisfied with the answers these days even if packgrad and others on here refuse to engage in good faith on topic.

It's completely possible to have a reasonable discussion about how Biden and Dems didn't do enough to secure the border, but that masked ICE goons unconstitutionally abusing their power ain't the solution.

Or about how we all want a strong economy with inflation in check and reasonable interest rates, but attacking the independence of the Fed and tariffing the world in most cases punitively and not protectively ain't the solution.

But if you're hoping for good-faith conversations about the nuances of these and other topics, you won't often find them here unfortunately.



Democrats set the world on fire then complain when someone else must clean it up.

We would not be in such a mess if you didn't elect a crazy old man who didn't know which planet he was on. Now 10-20 MILLION illegals (no one knows who these people are) must be deported and now you want due process? Where was the due process the last four years?

I've said before it's not a perfect system. There will be mistakes made given the sheer number of ILLEGALS your guy allowed into the country.

But we have deported way more criminals and illegals than American citizens who have been inconvenienced. If sanctuary city would work with ICE these arrests could be made in jails or detention centers where we know exactly who these people are and not on the streets where we have to search for the person (which inconveniences citizens) Again, democrats eff everything up then complain about the clean up.



I like how you and jk and packgrad and others on here reflexively blame Biden and Dems for literally every problem in the world but unfortunately for you it ain't quite that simple.

No, Biden didn't let in 10 million illegals, not even in the wildest of semi-reputable estimates. The actual number is likely less than half that.

The number of illegals quadrupled from 1990-2010 and has risen around 40% since then.

Yeah, ~3 million likely came in under Biden, which ballooned the number from 11 to 14 million.

We've had between 10 and 15 million illegals in the country for 20 or 25 years, including during Trump's first term. So it's clear it got worse under Biden but it's a problem that's been decades in the making.

Why is it all of a sudden an emergency, where the only apparent solution (to you) is unconstitutional?

Why all of a sudden is the solution to deport millions of law-abiding immigrants? That definitely wasn't what Trump said he'd do when he got elected.

What happened to focusing on deporting criminals? That has broad bipartisan support. How did we instead get here, where we have poorly trained masked ICE mall cops illegally stopping and in some cases detaining and arresting and shooting people with no PC, illegally violating the 4th Amendment?

That's obviously not the only feasible solution here. George Bush proposed healthier, legal, and far more sensible solutions than this 20 years ago, and this was post-9/11 and with him having deep history in on the the states most heavily impacted by illegal immigration.

It's definitely not legal, popular, or even necessary.

It is definitely Stephen Miller's wet dream though, and it is definitely unpopular as hell and going to be an albatross for Pubs in 2026.


Why all of a sudden is it an emergency? Have you been living under a rock? Housing, jobs, crime, schools, hospitals just to name a few.

Law abiding immigrants….you mean law abiding ILLEGALS? So we should open the doors to everyone in the world just so they are law abiding? How many would you let in. 10 million? 20 million? 100 million? Give me a number of law abiding people Civ would let freely into the country?

Your President Trumps said he would start with the worst and that's what they are trying to do with no help from the democrats. None.

I've said it's not going to be a perfect system given the size of the mess this administration is trying to clean up. There will be mistakes made. But there have been way more criminals and illegals deported than mistakes made. Do you disagree with that? Your party could help but you choose to resist and then complain about it all to GET TRUMP.

GB was HATED by the left. It's just you now hate Trump so you'll pretend like GB was great. You think democrats would ever have gone along with GB? I don't, no way.

No due process in but due process out? It's only in your information bubble where it's not popular. Not necessary? Lol-okay.

Something-something Stephen Miller [yawn]

What did Trump say he was going to do when he got elected?

What changed?

Harassing people on the street and asking for papers from brown people with accents is not "going after the worst of the worst."

Y'all are going to be very surprised later this year when you'll have no choice but to reckon with it not being just Democrats that disagree with this Administration's dishonesty, incompetence, and lunacy.


ICE is "harassing people on the street" because democrats, in sanctuary cities won't detain known criminals….so ICE has to look for people (investigate)

I think the party not in the WH always does better than the party in the WH. It's not the flex you keep pretending it is.

Yeah but we keep being told America voted for this.

If that's true then 26 will look rosy for Republicans.

Can't have it both ways.


Won every single swing state

Based on campaign promises.

Unfortunately they've got an expiration date. You don't get to run on promises twice.

Americans will tell you in 26 whether you actually did "what they voted for" in 24, or not.


Your President Trump's landslide victory still stings, doesn't it?
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Civilized said:

Gulfstream4 said:

Civilized said:

Gulfstream4 said:

Civilized said:

Gulfstream4 said:

Civilized said:

Gulfstream4 said:

Civilized said:

wolfme said:

packgrad said:

wolfme said:

packgrad said:

When people like civ are crying, you know America is winning.




I'm just curious because this is an interesting point. What is America "winning" at?


Wow, curious, you don't know what Americas winning at? Sad what a man has done to millions of people in this country. Can't see the forest for the trees.

Grok provides an easy cut and paste summary. I hope it gives you some perspective on what an amazing country this is.

Economy
Trade Wins: The U.S. trade deficit just hit a five-year low (down 35% year-over-year), exports are up 6% to near all-time highs, and the gap with China is at its second-smallest since 2009. Trump's tariffs are reshaping global trade in America's favorproving protectionism works for U.S. workers.
Growth & Housing: GDP growth hit 4.3%, stocks are rising, inflation is low, and Trump just announced a $200 billion mortgage bond purchase to slash rates immediately. The American Dream (homeownership) is back big time.
Overall Power: Largest economy in the world (by far), leading producer of oil and natural gas, and the biggest coal reserves. Global stocks are up 30% worldwide, but America's focused policies are pulling ahead.
Military & Global Influence
Military Spending: #1 by a massive marginno one else comes close.
Defense Industry: Top 5 arms companies are all American, generating nearly $189 billion in revenue (China's top 3 combined: $62 billion).
Alliances & Competition: Biden's last speech claimed America is "winning the worldwide competition" with stronger NATO and weaker adversaries. Trump's team is building on that with isolationist "America First" wins, like skepticism on endless foreign aid.
Innovation & Culture
Top Universities: 11 of the world's top 15 are in the U.S.
Entertainment & Soft Power: Hollywood, music, and pop culture dominate globally (e.g., Harry Styles dropping surprise content, Grammy winners everywhere).
Tech & Jobs: Best jobs in 2026 are in U.S.-heavy fields like nurse practitioner, financial manager, IT, and AI. CES 2026 awards are going to American innovations left and right.
Sports (Because Freedom)
Basketball: Team USA just won its fifth straight Olympic gold in men's basketball (and dominates track & field medals).
Hockey: U.S. men won the World Championship gold for the first time since 1933ending a 92-year drought!
Upcoming: Hosting the 2026 FIFA World Cup across North Americamassive global spotlight.
Sure, not everything's perfect (e.g., debates on wars, tariffs raising some prices short-term, or slipping in certain university research rankings to China). But the momentum is undeniable: secure borders, booming exports, lower deficits, and a president focused on making America rich again. As one viral sentiment puts it, "America is backenjoy winning!"
2026 is the year of America's 250th birthday, Route 66's 100th, and events like the World Cup. We're not just participatingwe're leading.



That's crazy you got so defensive and spit out an AI summary to answer such a basic question. We all want America to win. I was just asking what you personally think America is winning at from your view as a citizen. Not an AI circle jerk. America has been winning like that for decades, not just recently

Brother most Americans share your question, and are dissatisfied with the answers these days even if packgrad and others on here refuse to engage in good faith on topic.

It's completely possible to have a reasonable discussion about how Biden and Dems didn't do enough to secure the border, but that masked ICE goons unconstitutionally abusing their power ain't the solution.

Or about how we all want a strong economy with inflation in check and reasonable interest rates, but attacking the independence of the Fed and tariffing the world in most cases punitively and not protectively ain't the solution.

But if you're hoping for good-faith conversations about the nuances of these and other topics, you won't often find them here unfortunately.



Democrats set the world on fire then complain when someone else must clean it up.

We would not be in such a mess if you didn't elect a crazy old man who didn't know which planet he was on. Now 10-20 MILLION illegals (no one knows who these people are) must be deported and now you want due process? Where was the due process the last four years?

I've said before it's not a perfect system. There will be mistakes made given the sheer number of ILLEGALS your guy allowed into the country.

But we have deported way more criminals and illegals than American citizens who have been inconvenienced. If sanctuary city would work with ICE these arrests could be made in jails or detention centers where we know exactly who these people are and not on the streets where we have to search for the person (which inconveniences citizens) Again, democrats eff everything up then complain about the clean up.



I like how you and jk and packgrad and others on here reflexively blame Biden and Dems for literally every problem in the world but unfortunately for you it ain't quite that simple.

No, Biden didn't let in 10 million illegals, not even in the wildest of semi-reputable estimates. The actual number is likely less than half that.

The number of illegals quadrupled from 1990-2010 and has risen around 40% since then.

Yeah, ~3 million likely came in under Biden, which ballooned the number from 11 to 14 million.

We've had between 10 and 15 million illegals in the country for 20 or 25 years, including during Trump's first term. So it's clear it got worse under Biden but it's a problem that's been decades in the making.

Why is it all of a sudden an emergency, where the only apparent solution (to you) is unconstitutional?

Why all of a sudden is the solution to deport millions of law-abiding immigrants? That definitely wasn't what Trump said he'd do when he got elected.

What happened to focusing on deporting criminals? That has broad bipartisan support. How did we instead get here, where we have poorly trained masked ICE mall cops illegally stopping and in some cases detaining and arresting and shooting people with no PC, illegally violating the 4th Amendment?

That's obviously not the only feasible solution here. George Bush proposed healthier, legal, and far more sensible solutions than this 20 years ago, and this was post-9/11 and with him having deep history in on the the states most heavily impacted by illegal immigration.

It's definitely not legal, popular, or even necessary.

It is definitely Stephen Miller's wet dream though, and it is definitely unpopular as hell and going to be an albatross for Pubs in 2026.


Why all of a sudden is it an emergency? Have you been living under a rock? Housing, jobs, crime, schools, hospitals just to name a few.

Law abiding immigrants….you mean law abiding ILLEGALS? So we should open the doors to everyone in the world just so they are law abiding? How many would you let in. 10 million? 20 million? 100 million? Give me a number of law abiding people Civ would let freely into the country?

Your President Trumps said he would start with the worst and that's what they are trying to do with no help from the democrats. None.

I've said it's not going to be a perfect system given the size of the mess this administration is trying to clean up. There will be mistakes made. But there have been way more criminals and illegals deported than mistakes made. Do you disagree with that? Your party could help but you choose to resist and then complain about it all to GET TRUMP.

GB was HATED by the left. It's just you now hate Trump so you'll pretend like GB was great. You think democrats would ever have gone along with GB? I don't, no way.

No due process in but due process out? It's only in your information bubble where it's not popular. Not necessary? Lol-okay.

Something-something Stephen Miller [yawn]

What did Trump say he was going to do when he got elected?

What changed?

Harassing people on the street and asking for papers from brown people with accents is not "going after the worst of the worst."

Y'all are going to be very surprised later this year when you'll have no choice but to reckon with it not being just Democrats that disagree with this Administration's dishonesty, incompetence, and lunacy.


ICE is "harassing people on the street" because democrats, in sanctuary cities won't detain known criminals….so ICE has to look for people (investigate)

I think the party not in the WH always does better than the party in the WH. It's not the flex you keep pretending it is.

Yeah but we keep being told America voted for this.

If that's true then 26 will look rosy for Republicans.

Can't have it both ways.


Won every single swing state

Based on campaign promises.

Unfortunately they've got an expiration date. You don't get to run on promises twice.

Americans will tell you in 26 whether you actually did "what they voted for" in 24, or not.

And Russians calling in bomb threats to Dem precincts in Pennsylvania all night.
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These are the kind of people democrats want to keep ICE away from. There should be no trial for these scumbags.

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packgrad said:

wolfme said:

packgrad said:

When people like civ are crying, you know America is winning.




I'm just curious because this is an interesting point. What is America "winning" at?


Wow, curious, you don't know what Americas winning at? Sad what a man has done to millions of people in this country. Can't see the forest for the trees.

Grok provides an easy cut and paste summary. I hope it gives you some perspective on what an amazing country this is.

Economy
Trade Wins: The U.S. trade deficit just hit a five-year low (down 35% year-over-year), exports are up 6% to near all-time highs, and the gap with China is at its second-smallest since 2009. Trump's tariffs are reshaping global trade in America's favorproving protectionism works for U.S. workers.
Growth & Housing: GDP growth hit 4.3%, stocks are rising, inflation is low, and Trump just announced a $200 billion mortgage bond purchase to slash rates immediately. The American Dream (homeownership) is back big time.
Overall Power: Largest economy in the world (by far), leading producer of oil and natural gas, and the biggest coal reserves. Global stocks are up 30% worldwide, but America's focused policies are pulling ahead.
Military & Global Influence
Military Spending: #1 by a massive marginno one else comes close.
Defense Industry: Top 5 arms companies are all American, generating nearly $189 billion in revenue (China's top 3 combined: $62 billion).
Alliances & Competition: Biden's last speech claimed America is "winning the worldwide competition" with stronger NATO and weaker adversaries. Trump's team is building on that with isolationist "America First" wins, like skepticism on endless foreign aid.
Innovation & Culture
Top Universities: 11 of the world's top 15 are in the U.S.
Entertainment & Soft Power: Hollywood, music, and pop culture dominate globally (e.g., Harry Styles dropping surprise content, Grammy winners everywhere).
Tech & Jobs: Best jobs in 2026 are in U.S.-heavy fields like nurse practitioner, financial manager, IT, and AI. CES 2026 awards are going to American innovations left and right.
Sports (Because Freedom)
Basketball: Team USA just won its fifth straight Olympic gold in men's basketball (and dominates track & field medals).
Hockey: U.S. men won the World Championship gold for the first time since 1933ending a 92-year drought!
Upcoming: Hosting the 2026 FIFA World Cup across North Americamassive global spotlight.
Sure, not everything's perfect (e.g., debates on wars, tariffs raising some prices short-term, or slipping in certain university research rankings to China). But the momentum is undeniable: secure borders, booming exports, lower deficits, and a president focused on making America rich again. As one viral sentiment puts it, "America is backenjoy winning!"
2026 is the year of America's 250th birthday, Route 66's 100th, and events like the World Cup. We're not just participatingwe're leading.



That's crazy you got so defensive and spit out an AI summary to answer such a basic question. We all want America to win. I was just asking what you personally think America is winning at from your view as a citizen. Not an AI circle jerk. America has been winning like that for decades, not just recently

Brother most Americans share your question, and are dissatisfied with the answers these days even if packgrad and others on here refuse to engage in good faith on topic.

It's completely possible to have a reasonable discussion about how Biden and Dems didn't do enough to secure the border, but that masked ICE goons unconstitutionally abusing their power ain't the solution.

Or about how we all want a strong economy with inflation in check and reasonable interest rates, but attacking the independence of the Fed and tariffing the world in most cases punitively and not protectively ain't the solution.

But if you're hoping for good-faith conversations about the nuances of these and other topics, you won't often find them here unfortunately.



Democrats set the world on fire then complain when someone else must clean it up.

We would not be in such a mess if you didn't elect a crazy old man who didn't know which planet he was on. Now 10-20 MILLION illegals (no one knows who these people are) must be deported and now you want due process? Where was the due process the last four years?

I've said before it's not a perfect system. There will be mistakes made given the sheer number of ILLEGALS your guy allowed into the country.

But we have deported way more criminals and illegals than American citizens who have been inconvenienced. If sanctuary city would work with ICE these arrests could be made in jails or detention centers where we know exactly who these people are and not on the streets where we have to search for the person (which inconveniences citizens) Again, democrats eff everything up then complain about the clean up.



I like how you and jk and packgrad and others on here reflexively blame Biden and Dems for literally every problem in the world but unfortunately for you it ain't quite that simple.

No, Biden didn't let in 10 million illegals, not even in the wildest of semi-reputable estimates. The actual number is likely less than half that.

The number of illegals quadrupled from 1990-2010 and has risen around 40% since then.

Yeah, ~3 million likely came in under Biden, which ballooned the number from 11 to 14 million.

We've had between 10 and 15 million illegals in the country for 20 or 25 years, including during Trump's first term. So it's clear it got worse under Biden but it's a problem that's been decades in the making.

Why is it all of a sudden an emergency, where the only apparent solution (to you) is unconstitutional?

Why all of a sudden is the solution to deport millions of law-abiding immigrants? That definitely wasn't what Trump said he'd do when he got elected.

What happened to focusing on deporting criminals? That has broad bipartisan support. How did we instead get here, where we have poorly trained masked ICE mall cops illegally stopping and in some cases detaining and arresting and shooting people with no PC, illegally violating the 4th Amendment?

That's obviously not the only feasible solution here. George Bush proposed healthier, legal, and far more sensible solutions than this 20 years ago, and this was post-9/11 and with him having deep history in on the the states most heavily impacted by illegal immigration.

It's definitely not legal, popular, or even necessary.

It is definitely Stephen Miller's wet dream though, and it is definitely unpopular as hell and going to be an albatross for Pubs in 2026.


Why all of a sudden is it an emergency? Have you been living under a rock? Housing, jobs, crime, schools, hospitals just to name a few.

Law abiding immigrants….you mean law abiding ILLEGALS? So we should open the doors to everyone in the world just so they are law abiding? How many would you let in. 10 million? 20 million? 100 million? Give me a number of law abiding people Civ would let freely into the country?

Your President Trumps said he would start with the worst and that's what they are trying to do with no help from the democrats. None.

I've said it's not going to be a perfect system given the size of the mess this administration is trying to clean up. There will be mistakes made. But there have been way more criminals and illegals deported than mistakes made. Do you disagree with that? Your party could help but you choose to resist and then complain about it all to GET TRUMP.

GB was HATED by the left. It's just you now hate Trump so you'll pretend like GB was great. You think democrats would ever have gone along with GB? I don't, no way.

No due process in but due process out? It's only in your information bubble where it's not popular. Not necessary? Lol-okay.

Something-something Stephen Miller [yawn]

What did Trump say he was going to do when he got elected?

What changed?

Harassing people on the street and asking for papers from brown people with accents is not "going after the worst of the worst."

Y'all are going to be very surprised later this year when you'll have no choice but to reckon with it not being just Democrats that disagree with this Administration's dishonesty, incompetence, and lunacy.


ICE is "harassing people on the street" because democrats, in sanctuary cities won't detain known criminals….so ICE has to look for people (investigate)

I think the party not in the WH always does better than the party in the WH. It's not the flex you keep pretending it is.

Yeah but we keep being told America voted for this.

If that's true then 26 will look rosy for Republicans.

Can't have it both ways.


Won every single swing state

Based on campaign promises.

Unfortunately they've got an expiration date. You don't get to run on promises twice.

Americans will tell you in 26 whether you actually did "what they voted for" in 24, or not.


Your President Trump's landslide victory still stings, doesn't it?

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Civ and his pals have been right about so much.

Russia!
Good people on both sides
Hunter Biden's laptop
Insurrection
Biden is mentally cogent
Kamala is qualified
Trump can't secure the border
Trump can't slow down fentanyl depths
Egg prices
Gas prices
Inflation
Tariffs
Palestine
Venezuela
The list could go on and on...

I'm sure they've hit the nail on the head yet again in regards to Greenland.
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The long, drawn-out, rollout of election fraud.......all because of the extensive brainwashing of the minions. Let's repeat it 10,000 times and then write it on the chalkboard for all to see another 10,000 times. We have it all, and much of it since 2020. #devolution
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These are the kind of people democrats want to keep ICE away from. There should be no trial for these scumbags.




These people should be allowed to stay in the country because an American citizen might be inconvenienced if ICE goes searching for them.
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Gulfstream4 said:

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Does anyone believe Greenlanders are Americans or should be? Where do we stand on the subject of colonization?


Are Alaskans Americans? Are Hawaiians American? Heck, are Somali's Americans?


You'll cry about immigration today but nothing you can do after colonizing different places in the world. Look no further than the UK. Most their "immigration problems" are from UK born people. It's a pretty tight rope to walk if you want immigration enforcement and expansionist policy


I'll ask again, are Alaskans and Hawaiians Americans?


They are, yep. Do you want Greenland to be Americans, share your tax paying money with them rather than fix things within our borders?

I asked the first question and you're yet to answer it. But you keep asking your questions



Great. Then the people of Greenland can be Americans too? I would rather share my tax money with Greenland than Somalia. You?

What is your exact question again?


My question is whether or not you think America should take over Greenland against their will. It sounds like you think the answer is yes. I was just curious of the common sentiment around here. I got it now

I personally don't see a world where doing that and decreasing the national debt / small government influence on individual lives (something I'm passionate about) can coexist.


"Take over" is a disingenuous question. Next you'll drop the "stolen land" catch phrase?

Do I think America should acquire Greenland for national security and to keep Russia/China out of the Western Hemisphere, yes I do.

Would you rather China/Russia be to the west, south (Venezuela) and to the east in Greenland?


I'm fundamentally small government. I don't believe the government in any form is competent enough to protect the right of individual people. It's just that


So, what would you do? Allow America to get boxed in?


Their free will and their individual rights matter before I care what happens to America in this dooms day Cold War scenario people have thought up in the Artic.

The way it should've done is through partnership and positive trade deals, like America has done with Europe since WW2. Policy based on suppression and expansion simply has never worked since the beginning of time.

We are not Russia and China and I sure as hell don't want to be.


Trump boxes our adversaries out of the Western Hemisphere-democrats outrage

Trump doesn't box our adversaries out of the Western Hemisphere-democrats outrage

However, your virtue signal is received and that along will lead to world peace in the future.

Your problem is "boxing adversaries out of the Western Hemisphere" is a horrible solution in search of a made-up problem.

What percentage of voters or even of savvy politicians or political operators would have listed this as a top-25 area of concern for Trump's presidency?

It's only become a problem now that Trump's "solution" is completely alienating us from our biggest allies and yet again sparking another stupid trade war.

Are you ever going to answer why we can't simply increase troop levels and surveillance there, AS WE'RE UNILATERALLY ENTITLED TO DO, and collaborate with our allies to do the same? We can do that anytime we want without "taking Greenland."

And as with all things Trump, the Administration is totally dishonest in their portrayal of this as a national security issue. This is about a Trump's ego, and natural resources, in no particular order.

If it were about national security there are many more effective, less costly, and vastly less adversarial ways to check the security box.

I'd say good luck selling this to voters but I actually think/hope Congress may actually be spurred to act on this. This is too stupid, and too damaging to meet even their rock-bottom standards for reasonableness and legality.
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SmaptyWolf said:

Gulfstream4 said:

Civilized said:

Gulfstream4 said:

Civilized said:

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Civilized said:

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Gulfstream4 said:

Civilized said:

wolfme said:

packgrad said:

wolfme said:

packgrad said:

When people like civ are crying, you know America is winning.




I'm just curious because this is an interesting point. What is America "winning" at?


Wow, curious, you don't know what Americas winning at? Sad what a man has done to millions of people in this country. Can't see the forest for the trees.

Grok provides an easy cut and paste summary. I hope it gives you some perspective on what an amazing country this is.

Economy
Trade Wins: The U.S. trade deficit just hit a five-year low (down 35% year-over-year), exports are up 6% to near all-time highs, and the gap with China is at its second-smallest since 2009. Trump's tariffs are reshaping global trade in America's favorproving protectionism works for U.S. workers.
Growth & Housing: GDP growth hit 4.3%, stocks are rising, inflation is low, and Trump just announced a $200 billion mortgage bond purchase to slash rates immediately. The American Dream (homeownership) is back big time.
Overall Power: Largest economy in the world (by far), leading producer of oil and natural gas, and the biggest coal reserves. Global stocks are up 30% worldwide, but America's focused policies are pulling ahead.
Military & Global Influence
Military Spending: #1 by a massive marginno one else comes close.
Defense Industry: Top 5 arms companies are all American, generating nearly $189 billion in revenue (China's top 3 combined: $62 billion).
Alliances & Competition: Biden's last speech claimed America is "winning the worldwide competition" with stronger NATO and weaker adversaries. Trump's team is building on that with isolationist "America First" wins, like skepticism on endless foreign aid.
Innovation & Culture
Top Universities: 11 of the world's top 15 are in the U.S.
Entertainment & Soft Power: Hollywood, music, and pop culture dominate globally (e.g., Harry Styles dropping surprise content, Grammy winners everywhere).
Tech & Jobs: Best jobs in 2026 are in U.S.-heavy fields like nurse practitioner, financial manager, IT, and AI. CES 2026 awards are going to American innovations left and right.
Sports (Because Freedom)
Basketball: Team USA just won its fifth straight Olympic gold in men's basketball (and dominates track & field medals).
Hockey: U.S. men won the World Championship gold for the first time since 1933ending a 92-year drought!
Upcoming: Hosting the 2026 FIFA World Cup across North Americamassive global spotlight.
Sure, not everything's perfect (e.g., debates on wars, tariffs raising some prices short-term, or slipping in certain university research rankings to China). But the momentum is undeniable: secure borders, booming exports, lower deficits, and a president focused on making America rich again. As one viral sentiment puts it, "America is backenjoy winning!"
2026 is the year of America's 250th birthday, Route 66's 100th, and events like the World Cup. We're not just participatingwe're leading.



That's crazy you got so defensive and spit out an AI summary to answer such a basic question. We all want America to win. I was just asking what you personally think America is winning at from your view as a citizen. Not an AI circle jerk. America has been winning like that for decades, not just recently

Brother most Americans share your question, and are dissatisfied with the answers these days even if packgrad and others on here refuse to engage in good faith on topic.

It's completely possible to have a reasonable discussion about how Biden and Dems didn't do enough to secure the border, but that masked ICE goons unconstitutionally abusing their power ain't the solution.

Or about how we all want a strong economy with inflation in check and reasonable interest rates, but attacking the independence of the Fed and tariffing the world in most cases punitively and not protectively ain't the solution.

But if you're hoping for good-faith conversations about the nuances of these and other topics, you won't often find them here unfortunately.



Democrats set the world on fire then complain when someone else must clean it up.

We would not be in such a mess if you didn't elect a crazy old man who didn't know which planet he was on. Now 10-20 MILLION illegals (no one knows who these people are) must be deported and now you want due process? Where was the due process the last four years?

I've said before it's not a perfect system. There will be mistakes made given the sheer number of ILLEGALS your guy allowed into the country.

But we have deported way more criminals and illegals than American citizens who have been inconvenienced. If sanctuary city would work with ICE these arrests could be made in jails or detention centers where we know exactly who these people are and not on the streets where we have to search for the person (which inconveniences citizens) Again, democrats eff everything up then complain about the clean up.



I like how you and jk and packgrad and others on here reflexively blame Biden and Dems for literally every problem in the world but unfortunately for you it ain't quite that simple.

No, Biden didn't let in 10 million illegals, not even in the wildest of semi-reputable estimates. The actual number is likely less than half that.

The number of illegals quadrupled from 1990-2010 and has risen around 40% since then.

Yeah, ~3 million likely came in under Biden, which ballooned the number from 11 to 14 million.

We've had between 10 and 15 million illegals in the country for 20 or 25 years, including during Trump's first term. So it's clear it got worse under Biden but it's a problem that's been decades in the making.

Why is it all of a sudden an emergency, where the only apparent solution (to you) is unconstitutional?

Why all of a sudden is the solution to deport millions of law-abiding immigrants? That definitely wasn't what Trump said he'd do when he got elected.

What happened to focusing on deporting criminals? That has broad bipartisan support. How did we instead get here, where we have poorly trained masked ICE mall cops illegally stopping and in some cases detaining and arresting and shooting people with no PC, illegally violating the 4th Amendment?

That's obviously not the only feasible solution here. George Bush proposed healthier, legal, and far more sensible solutions than this 20 years ago, and this was post-9/11 and with him having deep history in on the the states most heavily impacted by illegal immigration.

It's definitely not legal, popular, or even necessary.

It is definitely Stephen Miller's wet dream though, and it is definitely unpopular as hell and going to be an albatross for Pubs in 2026.


Why all of a sudden is it an emergency? Have you been living under a rock? Housing, jobs, crime, schools, hospitals just to name a few.

Law abiding immigrants….you mean law abiding ILLEGALS? So we should open the doors to everyone in the world just so they are law abiding? How many would you let in. 10 million? 20 million? 100 million? Give me a number of law abiding people Civ would let freely into the country?

Your President Trumps said he would start with the worst and that's what they are trying to do with no help from the democrats. None.

I've said it's not going to be a perfect system given the size of the mess this administration is trying to clean up. There will be mistakes made. But there have been way more criminals and illegals deported than mistakes made. Do you disagree with that? Your party could help but you choose to resist and then complain about it all to GET TRUMP.

GB was HATED by the left. It's just you now hate Trump so you'll pretend like GB was great. You think democrats would ever have gone along with GB? I don't, no way.

No due process in but due process out? It's only in your information bubble where it's not popular. Not necessary? Lol-okay.

Something-something Stephen Miller [yawn]

What did Trump say he was going to do when he got elected?

What changed?

Harassing people on the street and asking for papers from brown people with accents is not "going after the worst of the worst."

Y'all are going to be very surprised later this year when you'll have no choice but to reckon with it not being just Democrats that disagree with this Administration's dishonesty, incompetence, and lunacy.


ICE is "harassing people on the street" because democrats, in sanctuary cities won't detain known criminals….so ICE has to look for people (investigate)

I think the party not in the WH always does better than the party in the WH. It's not the flex you keep pretending it is.

Yeah but we keep being told America voted for this.

If that's true then 26 will look rosy for Republicans.

Can't have it both ways.


Won every single swing state

Based on campaign promises.

Unfortunately they've got an expiration date. You don't get to run on promises twice.

Americans will tell you in 26 whether you actually did "what they voted for" in 24, or not.


Your President Trump's landslide victory still stings, doesn't it?




Why Depression Rates Are Higher Among Liberals

https://magazine.columbia.edu/article/why-depression-rates-are-higher-among-liberals
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American adults who identify as politically liberal have long reported lower levels of happiness and psychological well-being than conservatives
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Be safe and make sure your love one take their meds.

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jkpackfan said:

Gulfstream4 said:

Civilized said:

Gulfstream4 said:

Civilized said:

Gulfstream4 said:

Civilized said:

wolfme said:

packgrad said:

wolfme said:

packgrad said:

When people like civ are crying, you know America is winning.




I'm just curious because this is an interesting point. What is America "winning" at?


Wow, curious, you don't know what Americas winning at? Sad what a man has done to millions of people in this country. Can't see the forest for the trees.

Grok provides an easy cut and paste summary. I hope it gives you some perspective on what an amazing country this is.

Economy
Trade Wins: The U.S. trade deficit just hit a five-year low (down 35% year-over-year), exports are up 6% to near all-time highs, and the gap with China is at its second-smallest since 2009. Trump's tariffs are reshaping global trade in America's favorproving protectionism works for U.S. workers.
Growth & Housing: GDP growth hit 4.3%, stocks are rising, inflation is low, and Trump just announced a $200 billion mortgage bond purchase to slash rates immediately. The American Dream (homeownership) is back big time.
Overall Power: Largest economy in the world (by far), leading producer of oil and natural gas, and the biggest coal reserves. Global stocks are up 30% worldwide, but America's focused policies are pulling ahead.
Military & Global Influence
Military Spending: #1 by a massive marginno one else comes close.
Defense Industry: Top 5 arms companies are all American, generating nearly $189 billion in revenue (China's top 3 combined: $62 billion).
Alliances & Competition: Biden's last speech claimed America is "winning the worldwide competition" with stronger NATO and weaker adversaries. Trump's team is building on that with isolationist "America First" wins, like skepticism on endless foreign aid.
Innovation & Culture
Top Universities: 11 of the world's top 15 are in the U.S.
Entertainment & Soft Power: Hollywood, music, and pop culture dominate globally (e.g., Harry Styles dropping surprise content, Grammy winners everywhere).
Tech & Jobs: Best jobs in 2026 are in U.S.-heavy fields like nurse practitioner, financial manager, IT, and AI. CES 2026 awards are going to American innovations left and right.
Sports (Because Freedom)
Basketball: Team USA just won its fifth straight Olympic gold in men's basketball (and dominates track & field medals).
Hockey: U.S. men won the World Championship gold for the first time since 1933ending a 92-year drought!
Upcoming: Hosting the 2026 FIFA World Cup across North Americamassive global spotlight.
Sure, not everything's perfect (e.g., debates on wars, tariffs raising some prices short-term, or slipping in certain university research rankings to China). But the momentum is undeniable: secure borders, booming exports, lower deficits, and a president focused on making America rich again. As one viral sentiment puts it, "America is backenjoy winning!"
2026 is the year of America's 250th birthday, Route 66's 100th, and events like the World Cup. We're not just participatingwe're leading.



That's crazy you got so defensive and spit out an AI summary to answer such a basic question. We all want America to win. I was just asking what you personally think America is winning at from your view as a citizen. Not an AI circle jerk. America has been winning like that for decades, not just recently

Brother most Americans share your question, and are dissatisfied with the answers these days even if packgrad and others on here refuse to engage in good faith on topic.

It's completely possible to have a reasonable discussion about how Biden and Dems didn't do enough to secure the border, but that masked ICE goons unconstitutionally abusing their power ain't the solution.

Or about how we all want a strong economy with inflation in check and reasonable interest rates, but attacking the independence of the Fed and tariffing the world in most cases punitively and not protectively ain't the solution.

But if you're hoping for good-faith conversations about the nuances of these and other topics, you won't often find them here unfortunately.



Democrats set the world on fire then complain when someone else must clean it up.

We would not be in such a mess if you didn't elect a crazy old man who didn't know which planet he was on. Now 10-20 MILLION illegals (no one knows who these people are) must be deported and now you want due process? Where was the due process the last four years?

I've said before it's not a perfect system. There will be mistakes made given the sheer number of ILLEGALS your guy allowed into the country.

But we have deported way more criminals and illegals than American citizens who have been inconvenienced. If sanctuary city would work with ICE these arrests could be made in jails or detention centers where we know exactly who these people are and not on the streets where we have to search for the person (which inconveniences citizens) Again, democrats eff everything up then complain about the clean up.



I like how you and jk and packgrad and others on here reflexively blame Biden and Dems for literally every problem in the world but unfortunately for you it ain't quite that simple.

No, Biden didn't let in 10 million illegals, not even in the wildest of semi-reputable estimates. The actual number is likely less than half that.

The number of illegals quadrupled from 1990-2010 and has risen around 40% since then.

Yeah, ~3 million likely came in under Biden, which ballooned the number from 11 to 14 million.

We've had between 10 and 15 million illegals in the country for 20 or 25 years, including during Trump's first term. So it's clear it got worse under Biden but it's a problem that's been decades in the making.

Why is it all of a sudden an emergency, where the only apparent solution (to you) is unconstitutional?

Why all of a sudden is the solution to deport millions of law-abiding immigrants? That definitely wasn't what Trump said he'd do when he got elected.

What happened to focusing on deporting criminals? That has broad bipartisan support. How did we instead get here, where we have poorly trained masked ICE mall cops illegally stopping and in some cases detaining and arresting and shooting people with no PC, illegally violating the 4th Amendment?

That's obviously not the only feasible solution here. George Bush proposed healthier, legal, and far more sensible solutions than this 20 years ago, and this was post-9/11 and with him having deep history in on the the states most heavily impacted by illegal immigration.

It's definitely not legal, popular, or even necessary.

It is definitely Stephen Miller's wet dream though, and it is definitely unpopular as hell and going to be an albatross for Pubs in 2026.


Why all of a sudden is it an emergency? Have you been living under a rock? Housing, jobs, crime, schools, hospitals just to name a few.

Law abiding immigrants….you mean law abiding ILLEGALS? So we should open the doors to everyone in the world just so they are law abiding? How many would you let in. 10 million? 20 million? 100 million? Give me a number of law abiding people Civ would let freely into the country?

Your President Trumps said he would start with the worst and that's what they are trying to do with no help from the democrats. None.

I've said it's not going to be a perfect system given the size of the mess this administration is trying to clean up. There will be mistakes made. But there have been way more criminals and illegals deported than mistakes made. Do you disagree with that? Your party could help but you choose to resist and then complain about it all to GET TRUMP.

GB was HATED by the left. It's just you now hate Trump so you'll pretend like GB was great. You think democrats would ever have gone along with GB? I don't, no way.

No due process in but due process out? It's only in your information bubble where it's not popular. Not necessary? Lol-okay.

Something-something Stephen Miller [yawn]

What did Trump say he was going to do when he got elected?

What changed?

Harassing people on the street and asking for papers from brown people with accents is not "going after the worst of the worst."

Y'all are going to be very surprised later this year when you'll have no choice but to reckon with it not being just Democrats that disagree with this Administration's dishonesty, incompetence, and lunacy.


ICE is "harassing people on the street" because democrats, in sanctuary cities won't detain known criminals….so ICE has to look for people (investigate)

I think the party not in the WH always does better than the party in the WH. It's not the flex you keep pretending it is.

Yes the party in power normally loses the mid terms but I guess we shall see just how bad it is. If I were a betting man I'd say the dems take the house but pubs might hang onto the senate. Long way to go and the economy will be the ultimate decider.

Messaging will matter. If the GOP runs constant ads about deporting job thieves and Ferrari-driving Somali welfare cheats, and how all that will stop if Dems are voted in……
CALS grad

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Civilized said:

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Gulfstream4 said:

wolfme said:

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wolfme said:

Does anyone believe Greenlanders are Americans or should be? Where do we stand on the subject of colonization?


Are Alaskans Americans? Are Hawaiians American? Heck, are Somali's Americans?


You'll cry about immigration today but nothing you can do after colonizing different places in the world. Look no further than the UK. Most their "immigration problems" are from UK born people. It's a pretty tight rope to walk if you want immigration enforcement and expansionist policy


I'll ask again, are Alaskans and Hawaiians Americans?


They are, yep. Do you want Greenland to be Americans, share your tax paying money with them rather than fix things within our borders?

I asked the first question and you're yet to answer it. But you keep asking your questions



Great. Then the people of Greenland can be Americans too? I would rather share my tax money with Greenland than Somalia. You?

What is your exact question again?


My question is whether or not you think America should take over Greenland against their will. It sounds like you think the answer is yes. I was just curious of the common sentiment around here. I got it now

I personally don't see a world where doing that and decreasing the national debt / small government influence on individual lives (something I'm passionate about) can coexist.


"Take over" is a disingenuous question. Next you'll drop the "stolen land" catch phrase?

Do I think America should acquire Greenland for national security and to keep Russia/China out of the Western Hemisphere, yes I do.

Would you rather China/Russia be to the west, south (Venezuela) and to the east in Greenland?


I'm fundamentally small government. I don't believe the government in any form is competent enough to protect the right of individual people. It's just that


So, what would you do? Allow America to get boxed in?


Their free will and their individual rights matter before I care what happens to America in this dooms day Cold War scenario people have thought up in the Artic.

The way it should've done is through partnership and positive trade deals, like America has done with Europe since WW2. Policy based on suppression and expansion simply has never worked since the beginning of time.

We are not Russia and China and I sure as hell don't want to be.


Trump boxes our adversaries out of the Western Hemisphere-democrats outrage

Trump doesn't box our adversaries out of the Western Hemisphere-democrats outrage

However, your virtue signal is received and that along will lead to world peace in the future.

Your problem is "boxing adversaries out of the Western Hemisphere" is a horrible solution in search of a made-up problem.

What percentage of voters or even of savvy politicians or political operators would have listed this as a top-25 area of concern for Trump's presidency?

It's only become a problem now that Trump's "solution" is completely alienating us from our biggest allies and yet again sparking another stupid trade war.

Are you ever going to answer why we can't simply increase troop levels and surveillance there, AS WE'RE UNILATERALLY ENTITLED TO DO, and collaborate with our allies to do the same? We can do that anytime we want without "taking Greenland."

And as with all things Trump, the Administration is totally dishonest in their portrayal of this as a national security issue. This is about a Trump's ego, and natural resources, in no particular order.

If it were about national security there are many more effective, less costly, and vastly less adversarial ways to check the security box.

I'd say good luck selling this to voters but I actually think/hope Congress may actually be spurred to act on this. This is too stupid, and too damaging to meet even their rock-bottom standards for reasonableness and legality.



Your President Trump is looking down the road 20 years. Who knows what the NATO alliance will look like? If I had to guess, I'd say weak and fruitless.

Tell me one thing that would change for the worse in your everyday life if Greenland became part of the United States? One thing?
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Oldsouljer said:

jkpackfan said:

Gulfstream4 said:

Civilized said:

Gulfstream4 said:

Civilized said:

Gulfstream4 said:

Civilized said:

wolfme said:

packgrad said:

wolfme said:

packgrad said:

When people like civ are crying, you know America is winning.




I'm just curious because this is an interesting point. What is America "winning" at?


Wow, curious, you don't know what Americas winning at? Sad what a man has done to millions of people in this country. Can't see the forest for the trees.

Grok provides an easy cut and paste summary. I hope it gives you some perspective on what an amazing country this is.

Economy
Trade Wins: The U.S. trade deficit just hit a five-year low (down 35% year-over-year), exports are up 6% to near all-time highs, and the gap with China is at its second-smallest since 2009. Trump's tariffs are reshaping global trade in America's favorproving protectionism works for U.S. workers.
Growth & Housing: GDP growth hit 4.3%, stocks are rising, inflation is low, and Trump just announced a $200 billion mortgage bond purchase to slash rates immediately. The American Dream (homeownership) is back big time.
Overall Power: Largest economy in the world (by far), leading producer of oil and natural gas, and the biggest coal reserves. Global stocks are up 30% worldwide, but America's focused policies are pulling ahead.
Military & Global Influence
Military Spending: #1 by a massive marginno one else comes close.
Defense Industry: Top 5 arms companies are all American, generating nearly $189 billion in revenue (China's top 3 combined: $62 billion).
Alliances & Competition: Biden's last speech claimed America is "winning the worldwide competition" with stronger NATO and weaker adversaries. Trump's team is building on that with isolationist "America First" wins, like skepticism on endless foreign aid.
Innovation & Culture
Top Universities: 11 of the world's top 15 are in the U.S.
Entertainment & Soft Power: Hollywood, music, and pop culture dominate globally (e.g., Harry Styles dropping surprise content, Grammy winners everywhere).
Tech & Jobs: Best jobs in 2026 are in U.S.-heavy fields like nurse practitioner, financial manager, IT, and AI. CES 2026 awards are going to American innovations left and right.
Sports (Because Freedom)
Basketball: Team USA just won its fifth straight Olympic gold in men's basketball (and dominates track & field medals).
Hockey: U.S. men won the World Championship gold for the first time since 1933ending a 92-year drought!
Upcoming: Hosting the 2026 FIFA World Cup across North Americamassive global spotlight.
Sure, not everything's perfect (e.g., debates on wars, tariffs raising some prices short-term, or slipping in certain university research rankings to China). But the momentum is undeniable: secure borders, booming exports, lower deficits, and a president focused on making America rich again. As one viral sentiment puts it, "America is backenjoy winning!"
2026 is the year of America's 250th birthday, Route 66's 100th, and events like the World Cup. We're not just participatingwe're leading.



That's crazy you got so defensive and spit out an AI summary to answer such a basic question. We all want America to win. I was just asking what you personally think America is winning at from your view as a citizen. Not an AI circle jerk. America has been winning like that for decades, not just recently

Brother most Americans share your question, and are dissatisfied with the answers these days even if packgrad and others on here refuse to engage in good faith on topic.

It's completely possible to have a reasonable discussion about how Biden and Dems didn't do enough to secure the border, but that masked ICE goons unconstitutionally abusing their power ain't the solution.

Or about how we all want a strong economy with inflation in check and reasonable interest rates, but attacking the independence of the Fed and tariffing the world in most cases punitively and not protectively ain't the solution.

But if you're hoping for good-faith conversations about the nuances of these and other topics, you won't often find them here unfortunately.



Democrats set the world on fire then complain when someone else must clean it up.

We would not be in such a mess if you didn't elect a crazy old man who didn't know which planet he was on. Now 10-20 MILLION illegals (no one knows who these people are) must be deported and now you want due process? Where was the due process the last four years?

I've said before it's not a perfect system. There will be mistakes made given the sheer number of ILLEGALS your guy allowed into the country.

But we have deported way more criminals and illegals than American citizens who have been inconvenienced. If sanctuary city would work with ICE these arrests could be made in jails or detention centers where we know exactly who these people are and not on the streets where we have to search for the person (which inconveniences citizens) Again, democrats eff everything up then complain about the clean up.



I like how you and jk and packgrad and others on here reflexively blame Biden and Dems for literally every problem in the world but unfortunately for you it ain't quite that simple.

No, Biden didn't let in 10 million illegals, not even in the wildest of semi-reputable estimates. The actual number is likely less than half that.

The number of illegals quadrupled from 1990-2010 and has risen around 40% since then.

Yeah, ~3 million likely came in under Biden, which ballooned the number from 11 to 14 million.

We've had between 10 and 15 million illegals in the country for 20 or 25 years, including during Trump's first term. So it's clear it got worse under Biden but it's a problem that's been decades in the making.

Why is it all of a sudden an emergency, where the only apparent solution (to you) is unconstitutional?

Why all of a sudden is the solution to deport millions of law-abiding immigrants? That definitely wasn't what Trump said he'd do when he got elected.

What happened to focusing on deporting criminals? That has broad bipartisan support. How did we instead get here, where we have poorly trained masked ICE mall cops illegally stopping and in some cases detaining and arresting and shooting people with no PC, illegally violating the 4th Amendment?

That's obviously not the only feasible solution here. George Bush proposed healthier, legal, and far more sensible solutions than this 20 years ago, and this was post-9/11 and with him having deep history in on the the states most heavily impacted by illegal immigration.

It's definitely not legal, popular, or even necessary.

It is definitely Stephen Miller's wet dream though, and it is definitely unpopular as hell and going to be an albatross for Pubs in 2026.


Why all of a sudden is it an emergency? Have you been living under a rock? Housing, jobs, crime, schools, hospitals just to name a few.

Law abiding immigrants….you mean law abiding ILLEGALS? So we should open the doors to everyone in the world just so they are law abiding? How many would you let in. 10 million? 20 million? 100 million? Give me a number of law abiding people Civ would let freely into the country?

Your President Trumps said he would start with the worst and that's what they are trying to do with no help from the democrats. None.

I've said it's not going to be a perfect system given the size of the mess this administration is trying to clean up. There will be mistakes made. But there have been way more criminals and illegals deported than mistakes made. Do you disagree with that? Your party could help but you choose to resist and then complain about it all to GET TRUMP.

GB was HATED by the left. It's just you now hate Trump so you'll pretend like GB was great. You think democrats would ever have gone along with GB? I don't, no way.

No due process in but due process out? It's only in your information bubble where it's not popular. Not necessary? Lol-okay.

Something-something Stephen Miller [yawn]

What did Trump say he was going to do when he got elected?

What changed?

Harassing people on the street and asking for papers from brown people with accents is not "going after the worst of the worst."

Y'all are going to be very surprised later this year when you'll have no choice but to reckon with it not being just Democrats that disagree with this Administration's dishonesty, incompetence, and lunacy.


ICE is "harassing people on the street" because democrats, in sanctuary cities won't detain known criminals….so ICE has to look for people (investigate)

I think the party not in the WH always does better than the party in the WH. It's not the flex you keep pretending it is.

Yes the party in power normally loses the mid terms but I guess we shall see just how bad it is. If I were a betting man I'd say the dems take the house but pubs might hang onto the senate. Long way to go and the economy will be the ultimate decider.

Messaging will matter. If the GOP runs constant ads about deporting job thieves and Ferrari-driving Somali welfare cheats, and how all that will stop if Dems are voted in……

Agreed.
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Oldsouljer said:

jkpackfan said:

Gulfstream4 said:

Civilized said:

Gulfstream4 said:

Civilized said:

Gulfstream4 said:

Civilized said:

wolfme said:

packgrad said:

wolfme said:

packgrad said:

When people like civ are crying, you know America is winning.




I'm just curious because this is an interesting point. What is America "winning" at?


Wow, curious, you don't know what Americas winning at? Sad what a man has done to millions of people in this country. Can't see the forest for the trees.

Grok provides an easy cut and paste summary. I hope it gives you some perspective on what an amazing country this is.

Economy
Trade Wins: The U.S. trade deficit just hit a five-year low (down 35% year-over-year), exports are up 6% to near all-time highs, and the gap with China is at its second-smallest since 2009. Trump's tariffs are reshaping global trade in America's favorproving protectionism works for U.S. workers.
Growth & Housing: GDP growth hit 4.3%, stocks are rising, inflation is low, and Trump just announced a $200 billion mortgage bond purchase to slash rates immediately. The American Dream (homeownership) is back big time.
Overall Power: Largest economy in the world (by far), leading producer of oil and natural gas, and the biggest coal reserves. Global stocks are up 30% worldwide, but America's focused policies are pulling ahead.
Military & Global Influence
Military Spending: #1 by a massive marginno one else comes close.
Defense Industry: Top 5 arms companies are all American, generating nearly $189 billion in revenue (China's top 3 combined: $62 billion).
Alliances & Competition: Biden's last speech claimed America is "winning the worldwide competition" with stronger NATO and weaker adversaries. Trump's team is building on that with isolationist "America First" wins, like skepticism on endless foreign aid.
Innovation & Culture
Top Universities: 11 of the world's top 15 are in the U.S.
Entertainment & Soft Power: Hollywood, music, and pop culture dominate globally (e.g., Harry Styles dropping surprise content, Grammy winners everywhere).
Tech & Jobs: Best jobs in 2026 are in U.S.-heavy fields like nurse practitioner, financial manager, IT, and AI. CES 2026 awards are going to American innovations left and right.
Sports (Because Freedom)
Basketball: Team USA just won its fifth straight Olympic gold in men's basketball (and dominates track & field medals).
Hockey: U.S. men won the World Championship gold for the first time since 1933ending a 92-year drought!
Upcoming: Hosting the 2026 FIFA World Cup across North Americamassive global spotlight.
Sure, not everything's perfect (e.g., debates on wars, tariffs raising some prices short-term, or slipping in certain university research rankings to China). But the momentum is undeniable: secure borders, booming exports, lower deficits, and a president focused on making America rich again. As one viral sentiment puts it, "America is backenjoy winning!"
2026 is the year of America's 250th birthday, Route 66's 100th, and events like the World Cup. We're not just participatingwe're leading.



That's crazy you got so defensive and spit out an AI summary to answer such a basic question. We all want America to win. I was just asking what you personally think America is winning at from your view as a citizen. Not an AI circle jerk. America has been winning like that for decades, not just recently

Brother most Americans share your question, and are dissatisfied with the answers these days even if packgrad and others on here refuse to engage in good faith on topic.

It's completely possible to have a reasonable discussion about how Biden and Dems didn't do enough to secure the border, but that masked ICE goons unconstitutionally abusing their power ain't the solution.

Or about how we all want a strong economy with inflation in check and reasonable interest rates, but attacking the independence of the Fed and tariffing the world in most cases punitively and not protectively ain't the solution.

But if you're hoping for good-faith conversations about the nuances of these and other topics, you won't often find them here unfortunately.



Democrats set the world on fire then complain when someone else must clean it up.

We would not be in such a mess if you didn't elect a crazy old man who didn't know which planet he was on. Now 10-20 MILLION illegals (no one knows who these people are) must be deported and now you want due process? Where was the due process the last four years?

I've said before it's not a perfect system. There will be mistakes made given the sheer number of ILLEGALS your guy allowed into the country.

But we have deported way more criminals and illegals than American citizens who have been inconvenienced. If sanctuary city would work with ICE these arrests could be made in jails or detention centers where we know exactly who these people are and not on the streets where we have to search for the person (which inconveniences citizens) Again, democrats eff everything up then complain about the clean up.



I like how you and jk and packgrad and others on here reflexively blame Biden and Dems for literally every problem in the world but unfortunately for you it ain't quite that simple.

No, Biden didn't let in 10 million illegals, not even in the wildest of semi-reputable estimates. The actual number is likely less than half that.

The number of illegals quadrupled from 1990-2010 and has risen around 40% since then.

Yeah, ~3 million likely came in under Biden, which ballooned the number from 11 to 14 million.

We've had between 10 and 15 million illegals in the country for 20 or 25 years, including during Trump's first term. So it's clear it got worse under Biden but it's a problem that's been decades in the making.

Why is it all of a sudden an emergency, where the only apparent solution (to you) is unconstitutional?

Why all of a sudden is the solution to deport millions of law-abiding immigrants? That definitely wasn't what Trump said he'd do when he got elected.

What happened to focusing on deporting criminals? That has broad bipartisan support. How did we instead get here, where we have poorly trained masked ICE mall cops illegally stopping and in some cases detaining and arresting and shooting people with no PC, illegally violating the 4th Amendment?

That's obviously not the only feasible solution here. George Bush proposed healthier, legal, and far more sensible solutions than this 20 years ago, and this was post-9/11 and with him having deep history in on the the states most heavily impacted by illegal immigration.

It's definitely not legal, popular, or even necessary.

It is definitely Stephen Miller's wet dream though, and it is definitely unpopular as hell and going to be an albatross for Pubs in 2026.


Why all of a sudden is it an emergency? Have you been living under a rock? Housing, jobs, crime, schools, hospitals just to name a few.

Law abiding immigrants….you mean law abiding ILLEGALS? So we should open the doors to everyone in the world just so they are law abiding? How many would you let in. 10 million? 20 million? 100 million? Give me a number of law abiding people Civ would let freely into the country?

Your President Trumps said he would start with the worst and that's what they are trying to do with no help from the democrats. None.

I've said it's not going to be a perfect system given the size of the mess this administration is trying to clean up. There will be mistakes made. But there have been way more criminals and illegals deported than mistakes made. Do you disagree with that? Your party could help but you choose to resist and then complain about it all to GET TRUMP.

GB was HATED by the left. It's just you now hate Trump so you'll pretend like GB was great. You think democrats would ever have gone along with GB? I don't, no way.

No due process in but due process out? It's only in your information bubble where it's not popular. Not necessary? Lol-okay.

Something-something Stephen Miller [yawn]

What did Trump say he was going to do when he got elected?

What changed?

Harassing people on the street and asking for papers from brown people with accents is not "going after the worst of the worst."

Y'all are going to be very surprised later this year when you'll have no choice but to reckon with it not being just Democrats that disagree with this Administration's dishonesty, incompetence, and lunacy.


ICE is "harassing people on the street" because democrats, in sanctuary cities won't detain known criminals….so ICE has to look for people (investigate)

I think the party not in the WH always does better than the party in the WH. It's not the flex you keep pretending it is.

Yes the party in power normally loses the mid terms but I guess we shall see just how bad it is. If I were a betting man I'd say the dems take the house but pubs might hang onto the senate. Long way to go and the economy will be the ultimate decider.

Messaging will matter. If the GOP runs constant ads about deporting job thieves and Ferrari-driving Somali welfare cheats, and how all that will stop if Dems are voted in……


They need to show them terrorizing churches as well. Domestic terrorism is an interesting election strategy that is certain to endear voters in 2026.
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Gulfstream4 said:

wolfme said:

Gulfstream4 said:

wolfme said:

Gulfstream4 said:

wolfme said:

Gulfstream4 said:

wolfme said:

Does anyone believe Greenlanders are Americans or should be? Where do we stand on the subject of colonization?


Are Alaskans Americans? Are Hawaiians American? Heck, are Somali's Americans?


You'll cry about immigration today but nothing you can do after colonizing different places in the world. Look no further than the UK. Most their "immigration problems" are from UK born people. It's a pretty tight rope to walk if you want immigration enforcement and expansionist policy


I'll ask again, are Alaskans and Hawaiians Americans?


They are, yep. Do you want Greenland to be Americans, share your tax paying money with them rather than fix things within our borders?

I asked the first question and you're yet to answer it. But you keep asking your questions



Great. Then the people of Greenland can be Americans too? I would rather share my tax money with Greenland than Somalia. You?

What is your exact question again?


My question is whether or not you think America should take over Greenland against their will. It sounds like you think the answer is yes. I was just curious of the common sentiment around here. I got it now

I personally don't see a world where doing that and decreasing the national debt / small government influence on individual lives (something I'm passionate about) can coexist.


"Take over" is a disingenuous question. Next you'll drop the "stolen land" catch phrase?

Do I think America should acquire Greenland for national security and to keep Russia/China out of the Western Hemisphere, yes I do.

Would you rather China/Russia be to the west, south (Venezuela) and to the east in Greenland?
question, why your sudden concern over Russia 'could' take over Greenland when they are actively trying to "take over" (sorry for the dangerous language) Ukraine and probably the Balkans?
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Civilized said:

Gulfstream4 said:

Civilized said:

Gulfstream4 said:

Civilized said:

wolfme said:

packgrad said:

wolfme said:

packgrad said:

When people like civ are crying, you know America is winning.




I'm just curious because this is an interesting point. What is America "winning" at?


Wow, curious, you don't know what Americas winning at? Sad what a man has done to millions of people in this country. Can't see the forest for the trees.

Grok provides an easy cut and paste summary. I hope it gives you some perspective on what an amazing country this is.

Economy
Trade Wins: The U.S. trade deficit just hit a five-year low (down 35% year-over-year), exports are up 6% to near all-time highs, and the gap with China is at its second-smallest since 2009. Trump's tariffs are reshaping global trade in America's favorproving protectionism works for U.S. workers.
Growth & Housing: GDP growth hit 4.3%, stocks are rising, inflation is low, and Trump just announced a $200 billion mortgage bond purchase to slash rates immediately. The American Dream (homeownership) is back big time.
Overall Power: Largest economy in the world (by far), leading producer of oil and natural gas, and the biggest coal reserves. Global stocks are up 30% worldwide, but America's focused policies are pulling ahead.
Military & Global Influence
Military Spending: #1 by a massive marginno one else comes close.
Defense Industry: Top 5 arms companies are all American, generating nearly $189 billion in revenue (China's top 3 combined: $62 billion).
Alliances & Competition: Biden's last speech claimed America is "winning the worldwide competition" with stronger NATO and weaker adversaries. Trump's team is building on that with isolationist "America First" wins, like skepticism on endless foreign aid.
Innovation & Culture
Top Universities: 11 of the world's top 15 are in the U.S.
Entertainment & Soft Power: Hollywood, music, and pop culture dominate globally (e.g., Harry Styles dropping surprise content, Grammy winners everywhere).
Tech & Jobs: Best jobs in 2026 are in U.S.-heavy fields like nurse practitioner, financial manager, IT, and AI. CES 2026 awards are going to American innovations left and right.
Sports (Because Freedom)
Basketball: Team USA just won its fifth straight Olympic gold in men's basketball (and dominates track & field medals).
Hockey: U.S. men won the World Championship gold for the first time since 1933ending a 92-year drought!
Upcoming: Hosting the 2026 FIFA World Cup across North Americamassive global spotlight.
Sure, not everything's perfect (e.g., debates on wars, tariffs raising some prices short-term, or slipping in certain university research rankings to China). But the momentum is undeniable: secure borders, booming exports, lower deficits, and a president focused on making America rich again. As one viral sentiment puts it, "America is backenjoy winning!"
2026 is the year of America's 250th birthday, Route 66's 100th, and events like the World Cup. We're not just participatingwe're leading.



That's crazy you got so defensive and spit out an AI summary to answer such a basic question. We all want America to win. I was just asking what you personally think America is winning at from your view as a citizen. Not an AI circle jerk. America has been winning like that for decades, not just recently

Brother most Americans share your question, and are dissatisfied with the answers these days even if packgrad and others on here refuse to engage in good faith on topic.

It's completely possible to have a reasonable discussion about how Biden and Dems didn't do enough to secure the border, but that masked ICE goons unconstitutionally abusing their power ain't the solution.

Or about how we all want a strong economy with inflation in check and reasonable interest rates, but attacking the independence of the Fed and tariffing the world in most cases punitively and not protectively ain't the solution.

But if you're hoping for good-faith conversations about the nuances of these and other topics, you won't often find them here unfortunately.



Democrats set the world on fire then complain when someone else must clean it up.

We would not be in such a mess if you didn't elect a crazy old man who didn't know which planet he was on. Now 10-20 MILLION illegals (no one knows who these people are) must be deported and now you want due process? Where was the due process the last four years?

I've said before it's not a perfect system. There will be mistakes made given the sheer number of ILLEGALS your guy allowed into the country.

But we have deported way more criminals and illegals than American citizens who have been inconvenienced. If sanctuary city would work with ICE these arrests could be made in jails or detention centers where we know exactly who these people are and not on the streets where we have to search for the person (which inconveniences citizens) Again, democrats eff everything up then complain about the clean up.



I like how you and jk and packgrad and others on here reflexively blame Biden and Dems for literally every problem in the world but unfortunately for you it ain't quite that simple.

No, Biden didn't let in 10 million illegals, not even in the wildest of semi-reputable estimates. The actual number is likely less than half that.

The number of illegals quadrupled from 1990-2010 and has risen around 40% since then.

Yeah, ~3 million likely came in under Biden, which ballooned the number from 11 to 14 million.

We've had between 10 and 15 million illegals in the country for 20 or 25 years, including during Trump's first term. So it's clear it got worse under Biden but it's a problem that's been decades in the making.

Why is it all of a sudden an emergency, where the only apparent solution (to you) is unconstitutional?

Why all of a sudden is the solution to deport millions of law-abiding immigrants? That definitely wasn't what Trump said he'd do when he got elected.

What happened to focusing on deporting criminals? That has broad bipartisan support. How did we instead get here, where we have poorly trained masked ICE mall cops illegally stopping and in some cases detaining and arresting and shooting people with no PC, illegally violating the 4th Amendment?

That's obviously not the only feasible solution here. George Bush proposed healthier, legal, and far more sensible solutions than this 20 years ago, and this was post-9/11 and with him having deep history in on the the states most heavily impacted by illegal immigration.

It's definitely not legal, popular, or even necessary.

It is definitely Stephen Miller's wet dream though, and it is definitely unpopular as hell and going to be an albatross for Pubs in 2026.


Why all of a sudden is it an emergency? Have you been living under a rock? Housing, jobs, crime, schools, hospitals just to name a few.

Law abiding immigrants….you mean law abiding ILLEGALS? So we should open the doors to everyone in the world just so they are law abiding? How many would you let in. 10 million? 20 million? 100 million? Give me a number of law abiding people Civ would let freely into the country?

Your President Trumps said he would start with the worst and that's what they are trying to do with no help from the democrats. None.

I've said it's not going to be a perfect system given the size of the mess this administration is trying to clean up. There will be mistakes made. But there have been way more criminals and illegals deported than mistakes made. Do you disagree with that? Your party could help but you choose to resist and then complain about it all to GET TRUMP.

GB was HATED by the left. It's just you now hate Trump so you'll pretend like GB was great. You think democrats would ever have gone along with GB? I don't, no way.

No due process in but due process out? It's only in your information bubble where it's not popular. Not necessary? Lol-okay.

Something-something Stephen Miller [yawn]

What did Trump say he was going to do when he got elected?

What changed?

Harassing people on the street and asking for papers from brown people with accents is not "going after the worst of the worst."

Y'all are going to be very surprised later this year when you'll have no choice but to reckon with it not being just Democrats that disagree with this Administration's dishonesty, incompetence, and lunacy.
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Gulfstream4 said:

SmaptyWolf said:

Gulfstream4 said:

Civilized said:

Gulfstream4 said:

Civilized said:

Gulfstream4 said:

Civilized said:

Gulfstream4 said:

Civilized said:

Gulfstream4 said:

Civilized said:

wolfme said:

packgrad said:

wolfme said:

packgrad said:

When people like civ are crying, you know America is winning.




I'm just curious because this is an interesting point. What is America "winning" at?


Wow, curious, you don't know what Americas winning at? Sad what a man has done to millions of people in this country. Can't see the forest for the trees.

Grok provides an easy cut and paste summary. I hope it gives you some perspective on what an amazing country this is.

Economy
Trade Wins: The U.S. trade deficit just hit a five-year low (down 35% year-over-year), exports are up 6% to near all-time highs, and the gap with China is at its second-smallest since 2009. Trump's tariffs are reshaping global trade in America's favorproving protectionism works for U.S. workers.
Growth & Housing: GDP growth hit 4.3%, stocks are rising, inflation is low, and Trump just announced a $200 billion mortgage bond purchase to slash rates immediately. The American Dream (homeownership) is back big time.
Overall Power: Largest economy in the world (by far), leading producer of oil and natural gas, and the biggest coal reserves. Global stocks are up 30% worldwide, but America's focused policies are pulling ahead.
Military & Global Influence
Military Spending: #1 by a massive marginno one else comes close.
Defense Industry: Top 5 arms companies are all American, generating nearly $189 billion in revenue (China's top 3 combined: $62 billion).
Alliances & Competition: Biden's last speech claimed America is "winning the worldwide competition" with stronger NATO and weaker adversaries. Trump's team is building on that with isolationist "America First" wins, like skepticism on endless foreign aid.
Innovation & Culture
Top Universities: 11 of the world's top 15 are in the U.S.
Entertainment & Soft Power: Hollywood, music, and pop culture dominate globally (e.g., Harry Styles dropping surprise content, Grammy winners everywhere).
Tech & Jobs: Best jobs in 2026 are in U.S.-heavy fields like nurse practitioner, financial manager, IT, and AI. CES 2026 awards are going to American innovations left and right.
Sports (Because Freedom)
Basketball: Team USA just won its fifth straight Olympic gold in men's basketball (and dominates track & field medals).
Hockey: U.S. men won the World Championship gold for the first time since 1933ending a 92-year drought!
Upcoming: Hosting the 2026 FIFA World Cup across North Americamassive global spotlight.
Sure, not everything's perfect (e.g., debates on wars, tariffs raising some prices short-term, or slipping in certain university research rankings to China). But the momentum is undeniable: secure borders, booming exports, lower deficits, and a president focused on making America rich again. As one viral sentiment puts it, "America is backenjoy winning!"
2026 is the year of America's 250th birthday, Route 66's 100th, and events like the World Cup. We're not just participatingwe're leading.



That's crazy you got so defensive and spit out an AI summary to answer such a basic question. We all want America to win. I was just asking what you personally think America is winning at from your view as a citizen. Not an AI circle jerk. America has been winning like that for decades, not just recently

Brother most Americans share your question, and are dissatisfied with the answers these days even if packgrad and others on here refuse to engage in good faith on topic.

It's completely possible to have a reasonable discussion about how Biden and Dems didn't do enough to secure the border, but that masked ICE goons unconstitutionally abusing their power ain't the solution.

Or about how we all want a strong economy with inflation in check and reasonable interest rates, but attacking the independence of the Fed and tariffing the world in most cases punitively and not protectively ain't the solution.

But if you're hoping for good-faith conversations about the nuances of these and other topics, you won't often find them here unfortunately.



Democrats set the world on fire then complain when someone else must clean it up.

We would not be in such a mess if you didn't elect a crazy old man who didn't know which planet he was on. Now 10-20 MILLION illegals (no one knows who these people are) must be deported and now you want due process? Where was the due process the last four years?

I've said before it's not a perfect system. There will be mistakes made given the sheer number of ILLEGALS your guy allowed into the country.

But we have deported way more criminals and illegals than American citizens who have been inconvenienced. If sanctuary city would work with ICE these arrests could be made in jails or detention centers where we know exactly who these people are and not on the streets where we have to search for the person (which inconveniences citizens) Again, democrats eff everything up then complain about the clean up.



I like how you and jk and packgrad and others on here reflexively blame Biden and Dems for literally every problem in the world but unfortunately for you it ain't quite that simple.

No, Biden didn't let in 10 million illegals, not even in the wildest of semi-reputable estimates. The actual number is likely less than half that.

The number of illegals quadrupled from 1990-2010 and has risen around 40% since then.

Yeah, ~3 million likely came in under Biden, which ballooned the number from 11 to 14 million.

We've had between 10 and 15 million illegals in the country for 20 or 25 years, including during Trump's first term. So it's clear it got worse under Biden but it's a problem that's been decades in the making.

Why is it all of a sudden an emergency, where the only apparent solution (to you) is unconstitutional?

Why all of a sudden is the solution to deport millions of law-abiding immigrants? That definitely wasn't what Trump said he'd do when he got elected.

What happened to focusing on deporting criminals? That has broad bipartisan support. How did we instead get here, where we have poorly trained masked ICE mall cops illegally stopping and in some cases detaining and arresting and shooting people with no PC, illegally violating the 4th Amendment?

That's obviously not the only feasible solution here. George Bush proposed healthier, legal, and far more sensible solutions than this 20 years ago, and this was post-9/11 and with him having deep history in on the the states most heavily impacted by illegal immigration.

It's definitely not legal, popular, or even necessary.

It is definitely Stephen Miller's wet dream though, and it is definitely unpopular as hell and going to be an albatross for Pubs in 2026.


Why all of a sudden is it an emergency? Have you been living under a rock? Housing, jobs, crime, schools, hospitals just to name a few.

Law abiding immigrants….you mean law abiding ILLEGALS? So we should open the doors to everyone in the world just so they are law abiding? How many would you let in. 10 million? 20 million? 100 million? Give me a number of law abiding people Civ would let freely into the country?

Your President Trumps said he would start with the worst and that's what they are trying to do with no help from the democrats. None.

I've said it's not going to be a perfect system given the size of the mess this administration is trying to clean up. There will be mistakes made. But there have been way more criminals and illegals deported than mistakes made. Do you disagree with that? Your party could help but you choose to resist and then complain about it all to GET TRUMP.

GB was HATED by the left. It's just you now hate Trump so you'll pretend like GB was great. You think democrats would ever have gone along with GB? I don't, no way.

No due process in but due process out? It's only in your information bubble where it's not popular. Not necessary? Lol-okay.

Something-something Stephen Miller [yawn]

What did Trump say he was going to do when he got elected?

What changed?

Harassing people on the street and asking for papers from brown people with accents is not "going after the worst of the worst."

Y'all are going to be very surprised later this year when you'll have no choice but to reckon with it not being just Democrats that disagree with this Administration's dishonesty, incompetence, and lunacy.


ICE is "harassing people on the street" because democrats, in sanctuary cities won't detain known criminals….so ICE has to look for people (investigate)

I think the party not in the WH always does better than the party in the WH. It's not the flex you keep pretending it is.

Yeah but we keep being told America voted for this.

If that's true then 26 will look rosy for Republicans.

Can't have it both ways.


Won every single swing state

Based on campaign promises.

Unfortunately they've got an expiration date. You don't get to run on promises twice.

Americans will tell you in 26 whether you actually did "what they voted for" in 24, or not.


Your President Trump's landslide victory still stings, doesn't it?




Why Depression Rates Are Higher Among Liberals

https://magazine.columbia.edu/article/why-depression-rates-are-higher-among-liberals
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American adults who identify as politically liberal have long reported lower levels of happiness and psychological well-being than conservatives
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Be safe and make sure your love one take their meds.

I'll happily pretend we're on meds if it'll inspire you to get help before you hurt yourself.

How's your wife doing, btw? Just kidding, zero chance.
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jkpackfan said:

These are the kind of people democrats want to keep ICE away from. There should be no trial for these scumbags.




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Gulfstream4 said:

jkpackfan said:

These are the kind of people democrats want to keep ICE away from. There should be no trial for these scumbags.




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