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In reply to hokiewolf • 5:16p, 1/7/26
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Big win for Elizabeth Warren. Don't agree with this policy at all.


Care to explain or have an article as to why you think this? Ive heard it in other places from people I tend to agree with, but never understood it. I had issues a few years ago competing with them trying to buy a condo and it was a nightmare, so I admit I have some personal bias against those companies purchasing those properties.

Reduced zoning and reduced regulations increase supply and lower prices, not banning institutional investors.

Good luck getting that accomplished at the local level across the country. My issue with the institutional investors is that they have gobbled up all the low to mid range priced properties, which has artificially inflated prices of what used to be considered starter properties. Not to mention every single new build I have seen recently around where I live has been absurdly priced.

Again, thats just my experience. Would love to see some concrete data on all of it to see where it leads.

Make more pie and the prices will stabilize.

I agree in principle, but if a developer builds out a ton of starter homes, the institutional investors are going to gobble them all up. When I was on the market for a condo for my mother in 2021, every single place I put an offer on was outbid by cash offers from institutional investors. I offered significantly more in due diligence than I did on my home and went as generous as I could as a buyer, but it still didnt matter. I dont blame the sellers one bit, but thats why a lot of people cant buy starter homes anymore.

Just because I was curious based on this convo, I pulled up Zillow (I know its not reliable, but I digress) and put the max price on what I paid for my place in 2016 to see what was available in my area. There were five total properties, everyone one of them smaller than my house and not a single one was a stand alone property, all were condos/townhomes.

I dont know what the right answer is, but an individual trying to compete with someone with infinitely more resources/cash than them is never going to work for the individual.
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In reply to FlossyDFlynt • 5:19p, 1/7/26
I just don't see this being the problem with housing costs. Demand is outpacing supply. Build more houses, and get rid of single family zoning to make it more affordable and attractive to do so.
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In reply to FlossyDFlynt • 5:23p, 1/7/26
FlossyDFlynt said:
hokiewolf said:
FlossyDFlynt said:
hokiewolf said:
FlossyDFlynt said:
hokiewolf said:
Big win for Elizabeth Warren. Don't agree with this policy at all.


Care to explain or have an article as to why you think this? Ive heard it in other places from people I tend to agree with, but never understood it. I had issues a few years ago competing with them trying to buy a condo and it was a nightmare, so I admit I have some personal bias against those companies purchasing those properties.

Reduced zoning and reduced regulations increase supply and lower prices, not banning institutional investors.

Good luck getting that accomplished at the local level across the country. My issue with the institutional investors is that they have gobbled up all the low to mid range priced properties, which has artificially inflated prices of what used to be considered starter properties. Not to mention every single new build I have seen recently around where I live has been absurdly priced.

Again, thats just my experience. Would love to see some concrete data on all of it to see where it leads.

Make more pie and the prices will stabilize.

I agree in principle, but if a developer builds out a ton of starter homes, the institutional investors are going to gobble them all up. When I was on the market for a condo for my mother in 2021, every single place I put an offer on was outbid by cash offers from institutional investors. I offered significantly more in due diligence than I did on my home and went as generous as I could as a buyer, but it still didnt matter. I dont blame the sellers one bit, but thats why a lot of people cant buy starter homes anymore.

Just because I was curious based on this convo, I pulled up Zillow (I know its not reliable, but I digress) and put the max price on what I paid for my place in 2016 to see what was available in my area. There were five total properties, everyone one of them smaller than my house and not a single one was a stand alone property, all were condos/townhomes.

I dont know what the right answer is, but an individual trying to compete with someone with infinitely more resources/cash than them is never going to work for the individual.

I agree and I experienced similar last fall when looking to buy. It's absolutely bs and I'll never be able to outbid guys with endless cash.
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5:26p, 1/7/26
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In reply to hokiewolf • 5:39p, 1/7/26
hokiewolf said:
I just don't see this being the problem with housing costs. Demand is outpacing supply. Build more houses, and get rid of single family zoning to make it more affordable and attractive to do so.

You dont think the institutional investors arent artificially inflating demand based on buying up all the supply?

Again, would love to get some data on the last five years or so
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In reply to FlossyDFlynt • 5:42p, 1/7/26
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hokiewolf said:
I just don't see this being the problem with housing costs. Demand is outpacing supply. Build more houses, and get rid of single family zoning to make it more affordable and attractive to do so.

You dont think the institutional investors arent artificially inflating demand based on buying up all the supply?

Again, would love to get some data on the last five years or so
I think it is a made up boogie man that folks make up as the main issue for housing costs. Same with illegals
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In reply to hokiewolf • 5:45p, 1/7/26
hokiewolf said:
FlossyDFlynt said:
hokiewolf said:
I just don't see this being the problem with housing costs. Demand is outpacing supply. Build more houses, and get rid of single family zoning to make it more affordable and attractive to do so.

You dont think the institutional investors arent artificially inflating demand based on buying up all the supply?

Again, would love to get some data on the last five years or so

I think it is a made up boogie man that folks make up as the main issue for housing costs. Same with illegals

Good to know. I appreciate the perspective
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In reply to FlossyDFlynt • 5:49p, 1/7/26
I'm not discrediting your experience with the condo, I just don't think investors are close to being the main issue with housing costs.
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In reply to hokiewolf • 5:56p, 1/7/26
hokiewolf said:
I'm not discrediting your experience with the condo, I just don't think investors are close to being the main issue with housing costs.

Didnt take it that way. You know more about the industry than I do and my perspective is completely from personal experience, which doesnt always translate when it comes to policy.

On the face of it, Im all for getting corporate/institutional investors out of single family property. But at the same time...dont really trust the government intervention either
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In reply to FlossyDFlynt • 6:09p, 1/7/26
FlossyDFlynt said:
hokiewolf said:
I just don't see this being the problem with housing costs. Demand is outpacing supply. Build more houses, and get rid of single family zoning to make it more affordable and attractive to do so.

You dont think the institutional investors arent artificially inflating demand based on buying up all the supply?

Again, would love to get some data on the last five years or so


True institutional investors (owning over 100 properties) only own 0.8% of our nation's single-family housing stock.

Owners that own 10 or more houses (including many mom-and-pop landlords) still only own ~2.5% of our stock.

This move is simply socialist affordability theater.

(Edited; should have said institutional investors owning over 100 properties, not over 1000)
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In reply to packgrad • 6:16p, 1/7/26
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Good to see Minnesota leadership is trying to lie and foment unrest after the ICE shooting when a deranged Democrat tried to run over an ICE officer.

Walz and Frey are awful people.

Right. The idiot was literally on the side of the car as it pulled away when he shot her in the face. He was in zero danger. They were just looking for an excuse.



You're certainly the resident expert on awful people.
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In reply to Civilized • 6:19p, 1/7/26
Civilized said:
FlossyDFlynt said:
hokiewolf said:
I just don't see this being the problem with housing costs. Demand is outpacing supply. Build more houses, and get rid of single family zoning to make it more affordable and attractive to do so.

You dont think the institutional investors arent artificially inflating demand based on buying up all the supply?

Again, would love to get some data on the last five years or so


True institutional investors (owning over 1000 properties) only own 0.8% of our nation's single-family housing stock.

Owners that own 10 or more houses (including many mom-and-pop landlords) still only own ~2.5% of our stock.

This move is simply socialist affordability theater.

The fact its coming from someone like Elizabeth Warren is a big reason I am so skeptical.

As for those numbers, any chance you have the data or a link behind it? Would love to parse it out a bit
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In reply to FlossyDFlynt • 6:58p, 1/7/26
FlossyDFlynt said:
Civilized said:
FlossyDFlynt said:
hokiewolf said:
I just don't see this being the problem with housing costs. Demand is outpacing supply. Build more houses, and get rid of single family zoning to make it more affordable and attractive to do so.

You dont think the institutional investors arent artificially inflating demand based on buying up all the supply?

Again, would love to get some data on the last five years or so


True institutional investors (owning over 1000 properties) only own 0.8% of our nation's single-family housing stock.

Owners that own 10 or more houses (including many mom-and-pop landlords) still only own ~2.5% of our stock.

This move is simply socialist affordability theater.

The fact its coming from someone like Elizabeth Warren is a big reason I am so skeptical.

As for those numbers, any chance you have the data or a link behind it? Would love to parse it out a bit

This is a great paper on it by AEI (a right/center-right think tank if you're not familiar) presented to Congress last month.

https://docs.house.gov/meetings/BA/BA00/20251203/118713/HHRG-119-BA00-Wstate-PeterT-20251203.pdf
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6:59p, 1/7/26
Maybe don't try to get in the way and stupid **** like this won't happen, it's really really simple.



Also she definitely hit the officer who was in front of her before she decided to flee. Does this make it right? Hell no but trying to pretend she was innocent is insanity and it's no surprise where it's coming from.



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7:01p, 1/7/26
This a million percent. It's really easy.

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In reply to Civilized • 7:02p, 1/7/26
Civilized said:
FlossyDFlynt said:
Civilized said:
FlossyDFlynt said:
hokiewolf said:
I just don't see this being the problem with housing costs. Demand is outpacing supply. Build more houses, and get rid of single family zoning to make it more affordable and attractive to do so.

You dont think the institutional investors arent artificially inflating demand based on buying up all the supply?

Again, would love to get some data on the last five years or so


True institutional investors (owning over 1000 properties) only own 0.8% of our nation's single-family housing stock.

Owners that own 10 or more houses (including many mom-and-pop landlords) still only own ~2.5% of our stock.

This move is simply socialist affordability theater.

The fact its coming from someone like Elizabeth Warren is a big reason I am so skeptical.

As for those numbers, any chance you have the data or a link behind it? Would love to parse it out a bit

This is a great paper on it by AEI (a right/center-right think tank if you're not familiar) presented to Congress last month.

https://docs.house.gov/meetings/BA/BA00/20251203/118713/HHRG-119-BA00-Wstate-PeterT-20251203.pdf

Never heard of them, but thanks for the link. Always curious as to how they reach those numbers. I'll read up on it
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7:10p, 1/7/26
Even more angles. The media would never show us these.

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Berquam in this scumbag's grille.

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In reply to SmaptyWolf • 7:28p, 1/7/26
SmaptyWolf said:
packgrad said:
Good to see Minnesota leadership is trying to lie and foment unrest after the ICE shooting when a deranged Democrat tried to run over an ICE officer.

Walz and Frey are awful people.

Right. The idiot was literally on the side of the car as it pulled away when he shot her in the face. He was in zero danger. They were just looking for an excuse.



You're certainly the resident expert on awful people.


You're the case study of awful people on this board. It's no surprise you think the officer was at fault. You are a horrible person, terrorist supporter.

Whatever it takes, right?

Imagine being on the side of the person trying to run over the officer because you hate Trump. Dems define trash these days.
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In reply to jkpackfan • 7:30p, 1/7/26
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This a million percent. It's really easy.



It's really simple. Too bad the Dems have programmed their minions to attack ICE. FAFO.
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7:38p, 1/7/26
I'm sure I'll get blasted here but it's a matter of intent. Judging from the videos I don't see intent to run over the officer. HOWEVER, she is 100% at fault for the reaction to her actions.

What can also be true is I would've like that officer to have some restraint rather than firing fatal shots, HOWEVER I've never been in that sort of situation so I can't really fault the officer.

Just a sad and tragic situation all around
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In reply to hokiewolf • 7:46p, 1/7/26
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I'm sure I'll get blasted here but it's a matter of intent. Judging from the videos I don't see intent to girls the officer. HOWEVER, she is 100% at fault for the reaction to her actions.

What can also be true is I would've like that officer to have some restraint rather than firing fatal shots, HOWEVER I've never been in that sort of situation so I can't really fault the officer.

Just a sad and tragic situation all around

Lol I just showed you angles showing the woman hit the officer with the car. *** are you gonna do in a split second when you hear and see the car moving towards you? She was apparently antagonizing them even before this happened. Whatever.

The people that celebrated Charlie Kirk are really upset.
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In reply to packgrad • 7:48p, 1/7/26
packgrad said:
SmaptyWolf said:
packgrad said:
Good to see Minnesota leadership is trying to lie and foment unrest after the ICE shooting when a deranged Democrat tried to run over an ICE officer.

Walz and Frey are awful people.

Right. The idiot was literally on the side of the car as it pulled away when he shot her in the face. He was in zero danger. They were just looking for an excuse.



You're certainly the resident expert on awful people.


You're the case study of awful people on this board. It's no surprise you think the officer was at fault. You are a horrible person, terrorist supporter.

Whatever it takes, right?

Imagine being on the side of the person trying to run over the officer because you hate Trump. Dems define trash these days.

She aimed a moving vehicle directly at officer standing in front. That's the same as pointing a gun, and it will draw the same response.
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In reply to jkpackfan • 7:59p, 1/7/26
jkpackfan said:
hokiewolf said:
I'm sure I'll get blasted here but it's a matter of intent. Judging from the videos I don't see intent to girls the officer. HOWEVER, she is 100% at fault for the reaction to her actions.

What can also be true is I would've like that officer to have some restraint rather than firing fatal shots, HOWEVER I've never been in that sort of situation so I can't really fault the officer.

Just a sad and tragic situation all around

Lol I just showed you angles showing the woman hit the officer with the car. *** are you gonna do in a split second when you hear and see the car moving towards you? She was apparently antagonizing them even before this happened. Whatever.

The people that celebrated Charlie Kirk are really upset.


It doesn't matter what the videos show. This is an opportunity for antagonists in office, and on this board, to get attention and sow discontent. It's sad how many broken people there are in this country. All because of a man.
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In reply to Oldsouljer • 8:02p, 1/7/26
Oldsouljer said:
packgrad said:
SmaptyWolf said:
packgrad said:
Good to see Minnesota leadership is trying to lie and foment unrest after the ICE shooting when a deranged Democrat tried to run over an ICE officer.

Walz and Frey are awful people.

Right. The idiot was literally on the side of the car as it pulled away when he shot her in the face. He was in zero danger. They were just looking for an excuse.



You're certainly the resident expert on awful people.


You're the case study of awful people on this board. It's no surprise you think the officer was at fault. You are a horrible person, terrorist supporter.

Whatever it takes, right?

Imagine being on the side of the person trying to run over the officer because you hate Trump. Dems define trash these days.

She aimed a moving vehicle directly at officer standing in front. That's the same as pointing a gun, and it will draw the same response.


Correct. It's so simple…. To people that don't support terrorists that is.
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8:10p, 1/7/26
It's unbelievable

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In reply to jkpackfan • 8:14p, 1/7/26
jkpackfan said:
It's unbelievable



They lie because they know their supporters are stupid and will believe it/repeat it.

"Legal observer"…… dems are pathological liars.
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8:32p, 1/7/26
Hilarious, clueless as usual.
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