TRUMP 2024

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Pompeo worked feverishly to damage Trump from 2017-2021.

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Q: Can you get to justice in the Justice Dept?
A: No, these high crimes will be in a military court.
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Red October
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jkpackfan said:

Another day another classy dem. He should totally be attorney general.


Have had the pleasure to meet Todd and Jennifer Gilbert a couple of times, as I'm friends with friends of his. Super nice folks, don't deserve any of this.
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hokiewolf said:

jkpackfan said:

Another day another classy dem. He should totally be attorney general.



Have had the pleasure to meet Todd and Jennifer Gilbert a couple of times, as I'm friends with friends of his. Super nice folks, don't deserve any of this.

Nice. Yeah it's disgusting.
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hokiewolf said:

jkpackfan said:

Another day another classy dem. He should totally be attorney general.



Have had the pleasure to meet Todd and Jennifer Gilbert a couple of times, as I'm friends with friends of his. Super nice folks, don't deserve any of this.

I trust he's better than the corruptocrats running the Raleigh statehouse.
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Oldsouljer said:

hokiewolf said:

jkpackfan said:

Another day another classy dem. He should totally be attorney general.



Have had the pleasure to meet Todd and Jennifer Gilbert a couple of times, as I'm friends with friends of his. Super nice folks, don't deserve any of this.

I trust he's better than the corruptocrats running the Raleigh statehouse.
well he's a US attorney now so probably?
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The 'short list'.
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hokiewolf said:

Oldsouljer said:

hokiewolf said:

jkpackfan said:

Another day another classy dem. He should totally be attorney general.



Have had the pleasure to meet Todd and Jennifer Gilbert a couple of times, as I'm friends with friends of his. Super nice folks, don't deserve any of this.

I trust he's better than the corruptocrats running the Raleigh statehouse.

well he's a US attorney now so probably?

Never mind, the article I read said he was House speaker, I thought he still was.
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These alcohol and wine manufacturers must be really bad people because they aren't eating the tariff costs and passing them to consumers

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hokiewolf said:

These alcohol and wine manufacturers must be really bad people because they aren't eating the tariff costs and passing them to consumers



I don't get the product shortage part….but if so, doesn't that go hand in hand with soaring costs? Supply/demand and all that?
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Great visualization. Anyone care to explain why this guy is wrong?

The math on illegals getting "free" healthcare just doesn't math.
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Civilized said:

Great visualization. Anyone care to explain why this guy is wrong?

The math on illegals getting "free" healthcare just doesn't math.



You're too brainwashed to waste the time trying to. Hilarious that you're such a mindless minion that you're terming it emergency medical care. Yea, that's what is chronically clogging emergency departments throughout the country. Emergency care. They're all lying.

You have become a parody poster almost as bad as smapty.


Also hilarious that he is using the term "propaganda" while he's lying to you. Such a minion and propagandist. Baaaaa
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Party of evil

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packgrad said:

Party of evil



They're all scum.
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Civilized said:

Great visualization. Anyone care to explain why this guy is wrong?

The math on illegals getting "free" healthcare just doesn't math.



Virtue signal received! I think all democrats should adopt an illegal family and pay their healthcare. THAT would really show the Republicans what a great person democrats are!
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Gulfstream4 said:

Civilized said:

Great visualization. Anyone care to explain why this guy is wrong?

The math on illegals getting "free" healthcare just doesn't math.



Virtue signal received! I think all democrats should adopt an illegal family and pay their healthcare. THAT would really show the Republicans what a great person democrats are!


Professionals have literally responded to him on this thread saying illegals are not receiving emergency care and civ still posts his propaganda. Zero integrity. Truth doesn't truth with minions.
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Civilized said:

Great visualization. Anyone care to explain why this guy is wrong?

The math on illegals getting "free" healthcare just doesn't math.

The free healthcare isn't paid by Medicaid. It's being paid by your insurance premium because they don't have insurance.

As I argued and it seemed to be missed, urgent cares are the solution. Unfortunately that means getting Tina middle ground. Does it suck that some tax money will go to illegals? Yes. But illegals are not going to go away 100%. Just doesn't happen.

So two things, fix legal immigration, and two allow for urgent cares to bill Medicad for emergency as preventive care while you do number 1 above.

Try to make it as cost effective and humane as possible.
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Uh oh! A new KFF survey has the vast majority of Americans in favor of reinstating the Obamacare subsidies that just got gutted, including 57% of MAGA voters!

You may want to yell about illegals a little louder, it doesn't seem to be working this time.
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Civilized said:

Great visualization. Anyone care to explain why this guy is wrong?

The math on illegals getting "free" healthcare just doesn't math.


Given that you've pointed out in other matters of discussion, that which you feel to be false equivalency, may I help you with the plank in your eye?
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SmaptyWolf said:

Uh oh! A new KFF survey has the vast majority of Americans in favor of reinstating the Obamacare subsidies that just got gutted, including 57% of MAGA voters!

You may want to yell about illegals a little louder, it doesn't seem to be working this time.
lol let's reinstate something that was a temporary gimmick during COVID that didn't fix anything in the ACA exchanges.

The system doesn't work, the tax credit isn't going to save it. It only masks the fact the passing Obama Care did nothing to stop healthcare costs increasing.

Let's look at the KFF study:

"Since 2014, the ACA has capped how much subsidized enrollees pay for their health insurance premiums at a certain percent of their income, on a sliding scale, with the federal government covering the remainder in the form of a tax credit. Enhanced tax credits work by further lowering the share of income ACA Marketplace enrollees pay for a plan. For example, with the enhanced tax credits in place, an individual making $28,000 will pay no more than around 1% ($325) of their annual income towards a benchmark plan. If the enhanced tax credits expire, this same individual would pay nearly 6% of their income ($1,562 annually) towards a benchmark plan in 2026. In other words, if the enhanced tax credits expire, this individual would experience an increase of $1,238 in their annual premium payments net of the tax credit."

This is such a ridiculously low cost for health insurance it's not sustainable.

I would rather pay to enroll these people into a jobs program, at least there's a cost benefit to the GDP there.
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packgrad said:

Civilized said:

Great visualization. Anyone care to explain why this guy is wrong?

The math on illegals getting "free" healthcare just doesn't math.



You're too brainwashed to waste the time trying to. Hilarious that you're such a mindless minion that you're terming it emergency medical care. Yea, that's what is chronically clogging emergency departments throughout the country. Emergency care. They're all lying.

You have become a parody poster almost as bad as smapty.


Also hilarious that he is using the term "propaganda" while he's lying to you. Such a minion and propagandist. Baaaaa



LOL @ "chronically clogging."

LOL @ "brainwashed" too.

You obviously haven't looked at the numbers or you wouldn't be acting like this is a government shutdown-level problem.

Tell us - what % of ER visits are undocumented?

And what % of ER costs on a yearly basis are attributable to undocumenteds?

There are many studies out there that document this. Give us the range of outcomes. It will take you 60 seconds.

Look at the stats and get back to us about who's chronically clogging and brainwashed.
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hokiewolf said:

SmaptyWolf said:

Uh oh! A new KFF survey has the vast majority of Americans in favor of reinstating the Obamacare subsidies that just got gutted, including 57% of MAGA voters!

You may want to yell about illegals a little louder, it doesn't seem to be working this time.

lol let's reinstate something that was a temporary gimmick during COVID that didn't fix anything in the ACA exchanges.

The system doesn't work, the tax credit isn't going to save it. It only masks the fact the passing Obama Care did nothing to stop healthcare costs increasing.

Let's look at the KFF study:

"Since 2014, the ACA has capped how much subsidized enrollees pay for their health insurance premiums at a certain percent of their income, on a sliding scale, with the federal government covering the remainder in the form of a tax credit. Enhanced tax credits work by further lowering the share of income ACA Marketplace enrollees pay for a plan. For example, with the enhanced tax credits in place, an individual making $28,000 will pay no more than around 1% ($325) of their annual income towards a benchmark plan. If the enhanced tax credits expire, this same individual would pay nearly 6% of their income ($1,562 annually) towards a benchmark plan in 2026. In other words, if the enhanced tax credits expire, this individual would experience an increase of $1,238 in their annual premium payments net of the tax credit."

This is such a ridiculously low cost for health insurance it's not sustainable.

I would rather pay to enroll these people into a jobs program, at least there's a cost benefit to the GDP there.


Great conversation, that we should be having nationally. You know, an actual conversation, about actual, serious policy, that dives into nuances and debates the hard, consequential stuff.

Instead, we're doing the ER visit version of the Haitians eating cats and dogs in Springfield because this Administration and this feckless and spineless Republican Congress has zero desire to do the real work of leading and policy-making and instead want to govern using executive powers and meme-driving authoritarian culture and identity grievance wars.
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hokiewolf said:

Civilized said:

Great visualization. Anyone care to explain why this guy is wrong?

The math on illegals getting "free" healthcare just doesn't math.

The free healthcare isn't paid by Medicaid. It's being paid by your insurance premium because they don't have insurance.

As I argued and it seemed to be missed, urgent cares are the solution. Unfortunately that means getting Tina middle ground. Does it suck that some tax money will go to illegals? Yes. But illegals are not going to go away 100%. Just doesn't happen.

So two things, fix legal immigration, and two allow for urgent cares to bill Medicad for emergency as preventive care while you do number 1 above.

Try to make it as cost effective and humane as possible.


The broader point is when you quantify the "free healthcare" and weigh it against the monies paid in by illegals, the lack of other services they receive, this issue shouldn't even be close to the center of the healthcare conversation and the government shutdown.

Yet again, it's a performative tough-guy act that does not fix the consequential drivers of health care costs in this country.

I like your suggestions about urgent cares and streamlining legal immigration, BTW.

Of course that's because they're realistic, pragmatic, and mutually beneficial for Americans and the government, things that no longer seem to matter because those outcomes don't stoke fear, grievance, or outrage.
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Civilized said:

hokiewolf said:

SmaptyWolf said:

Uh oh! A new KFF survey has the vast majority of Americans in favor of reinstating the Obamacare subsidies that just got gutted, including 57% of MAGA voters!

You may want to yell about illegals a little louder, it doesn't seem to be working this time.

lol let's reinstate something that was a temporary gimmick during COVID that didn't fix anything in the ACA exchanges.

The system doesn't work, the tax credit isn't going to save it. It only masks the fact the passing Obama Care did nothing to stop healthcare costs increasing.

Let's look at the KFF study:

"Since 2014, the ACA has capped how much subsidized enrollees pay for their health insurance premiums at a certain percent of their income, on a sliding scale, with the federal government covering the remainder in the form of a tax credit. Enhanced tax credits work by further lowering the share of income ACA Marketplace enrollees pay for a plan. For example, with the enhanced tax credits in place, an individual making $28,000 will pay no more than around 1% ($325) of their annual income towards a benchmark plan. If the enhanced tax credits expire, this same individual would pay nearly 6% of their income ($1,562 annually) towards a benchmark plan in 2026. In other words, if the enhanced tax credits expire, this individual would experience an increase of $1,238 in their annual premium payments net of the tax credit."

This is such a ridiculously low cost for health insurance it's not sustainable.

I would rather pay to enroll these people into a jobs program, at least there's a cost benefit to the GDP there.


Great conversation, that we should be having nationally. You know, an actual conversation, about actual, serious policy, that dives into nuances and debates the hard, consequential stuff.

Instead, we're doing the ER visit version of the Haitians eating cats and dogs in Springfield because this Administration and this feckless and spineless Republican Congress has zero desire to do the real work of leading and policy-making and instead want to govern using executive powers and meme-driving authoritarian culture and identity grievance wars.


One could also argue the democrats are in no way interested in working with republicans but instead just GET TRUMP and oppose any all legislative measures.
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hokiewolf said:

SmaptyWolf said:

Uh oh! A new KFF survey has the vast majority of Americans in favor of reinstating the Obamacare subsidies that just got gutted, including 57% of MAGA voters!

You may want to yell about illegals a little louder, it doesn't seem to be working this time.

lol let's reinstate something that was a temporary gimmick during COVID that didn't fix anything in the ACA exchanges.

The system doesn't work, the tax credit isn't going to save it. It only masks the fact the passing Obama Care did nothing to stop healthcare costs increasing.

Let's look at the KFF study:

"Since 2014, the ACA has capped how much subsidized enrollees pay for their health insurance premiums at a certain percent of their income, on a sliding scale, with the federal government covering the remainder in the form of a tax credit. Enhanced tax credits work by further lowering the share of income ACA Marketplace enrollees pay for a plan. For example, with the enhanced tax credits in place, an individual making $28,000 will pay no more than around 1% ($325) of their annual income towards a benchmark plan. If the enhanced tax credits expire, this same individual would pay nearly 6% of their income ($1,562 annually) towards a benchmark plan in 2026. In other words, if the enhanced tax credits expire, this individual would experience an increase of $1,238 in their annual premium payments net of the tax credit."

This is such a ridiculously low cost for health insurance it's not sustainable.

I would rather pay to enroll these people into a jobs program, at least there's a cost benefit to the GDP there.

After the tax breaks, employer-based healthcare for anyone over 400% of the poverty line averages only 2.1% of their income. Is that ridiculously low? We should probably gut their subsidies, too, right?
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SmaptyWolf said:

hokiewolf said:

SmaptyWolf said:

Uh oh! A new KFF survey has the vast majority of Americans in favor of reinstating the Obamacare subsidies that just got gutted, including 57% of MAGA voters!

You may want to yell about illegals a little louder, it doesn't seem to be working this time.

lol let's reinstate something that was a temporary gimmick during COVID that didn't fix anything in the ACA exchanges.

The system doesn't work, the tax credit isn't going to save it. It only masks the fact the passing Obama Care did nothing to stop healthcare costs increasing.

Let's look at the KFF study:

"Since 2014, the ACA has capped how much subsidized enrollees pay for their health insurance premiums at a certain percent of their income, on a sliding scale, with the federal government covering the remainder in the form of a tax credit. Enhanced tax credits work by further lowering the share of income ACA Marketplace enrollees pay for a plan. For example, with the enhanced tax credits in place, an individual making $28,000 will pay no more than around 1% ($325) of their annual income towards a benchmark plan. If the enhanced tax credits expire, this same individual would pay nearly 6% of their income ($1,562 annually) towards a benchmark plan in 2026. In other words, if the enhanced tax credits expire, this individual would experience an increase of $1,238 in their annual premium payments net of the tax credit."

This is such a ridiculously low cost for health insurance it's not sustainable.

I would rather pay to enroll these people into a jobs program, at least there's a cost benefit to the GDP there.

After the tax breaks, employer-based healthcare for anyone over 400% of the poverty line averages only 2.1% of their income. Is that ridiculously low? We should probably gut their subsidies, too, right?
look at us, we've figured out a compromise already! 2,1% it is! 50% cheaper!
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