You've been well documented here. Just reminding you what you've already documented.

For some more #Gobbler scoffing. Let's get you on the record once again ;-)

Melting point of steel versus titanium versus a commercial fire temperature
The melting points of steel and titanium are significantly different, with titanium having a higher melting point than steel. In commercial fire scenarios, the temperatures typically reach between 1,000F (538C) and 1,800F (982C), which are below the melting points of both steel and titanium. However, prolonged exposure to extreme heat can lead to significant changes in steel's mechanical properties, such as softening and loss of strength, before it reaches its melting point.

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You've been well documented here. Just reminding you what you've already documented.

For some more #Gobbler scoffing. Let's get you on the record once again ;-)

Melting point of steel versus titanium versus a commercial fire temperature
The melting points of steel and titanium are significantly different, with titanium having a higher melting point than steel. In commercial fire scenarios, the temperatures typically reach between 1,000F (538C) and 1,800F (982C), which are below the melting points of both steel and titanium. However, prolonged exposure to extreme heat can lead to significant changes in steel's mechanical properties, such as softening and loss of strength, before it reaches its melting point.

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Ok, you do know that the fires didn't "melt the steel"?, yes?

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You've been well documented here. Just reminding you what you've already documented.

For some more #Gobbler scoffing. Let's get you on the record once again ;-)

Melting point of steel versus titanium versus a commercial fire temperature
The melting points of steel and titanium are significantly different, with titanium having a higher melting point than steel. In commercial fire scenarios, the temperatures typically reach between 1,000F (538C) and 1,800F (982C), which are below the melting points of both steel and titanium. However, prolonged exposure to extreme heat can lead to significant changes in steel's mechanical properties, such as softening and loss of strength, before it reaches its melting point.

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Ok, you do know that the fires didn't "melt the steel"?, yes?

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That's been shown to be the case, certainly.

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The Presidential Walk of Fame has arrived on the West Wing Colonnade

Wait for it… 🖊️👀 pic.twitter.com/ApWfdxfFQa

— Margo Martin (@MargoMartin47) September 24, 2025

Margo Martin is a senior advisor to President Trump. The Presidential Walk of Fame has arrived at the White House. For 46, there is no pic of Biden, just an autopen implying that Biden never was officially President.

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He wasn't. The Sheeple will learn that at the appropriate time. Per the plan!

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You've been well documented here. Just reminding you what you've already documented.

For some more #Gobbler scoffing. Let's get you on the record once again ;-)

Melting point of steel versus titanium versus a commercial fire temperature
The melting points of steel and titanium are significantly different, with titanium having a higher melting point than steel. In commercial fire scenarios, the temperatures typically reach between 1,000F (538C) and 1,800F (982C), which are below the melting points of both steel and titanium. However, prolonged exposure to extreme heat can lead to significant changes in steel's mechanical properties, such as softening and loss of strength, before it reaches its melting point.

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Ok, you do know that the fires didn't "melt the steel"?, yes?

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That's been shown to be the case, certainly.

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no sir. The uncontrolled fire heated the steel. As the steel expanded, it placed increased stress on the remaining steel connections that were not destroyed by the giant hole in the side of the building. Those connections reached the point of plasticity and failed. One floor fell and pancakes onto the floor below it. That floor was over loaded and stressed those connections. Then those two floors fell on to the next and on to the next until it started a progressive collapse.

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You've been well documented here. Just reminding you what you've already documented.

For some more #Gobbler scoffing. Let's get you on the record once again ;-)

Melting point of steel versus titanium versus a commercial fire temperature
The melting points of steel and titanium are significantly different, with titanium having a higher melting point than steel. In commercial fire scenarios, the temperatures typically reach between 1,000F (538C) and 1,800F (982C), which are below the melting points of both steel and titanium. However, prolonged exposure to extreme heat can lead to significant changes in steel's mechanical properties, such as softening and loss of strength, before it reaches its melting point.

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Ok, you do know that the fires didn't "melt the steel"?, yes?

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no sir. The uncontrolled fire heated the steel. As the steel expanded, it placed increased stress on the remaining steel connections that were not destroyed by the giant hole in the side of the building. Those connections reached the point of plasticity and failed. One floor fell and pancakes onto the floor below it. That floor was over loaded and stressed those connections. Then those two floors fell on to the next and on to the next until it started a progressive collapse.

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Everyone knows the fire was from missiles fired by the Jews. All of those 100 videos of planes hitting the buildings were faked. The Jews also shot missiles at the pentagon.

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oh yeah, I forgot!

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Guys!! I can barely keep up with today's flood of conspiracy theories, and y'all have to drag up one from a quarter century ago?!

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lol my bad.

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You've been well documented here. Just reminding you what you've already documented.

For some more #Gobbler scoffing. Let's get you on the record once again ;-)

Melting point of steel versus titanium versus a commercial fire temperature
The melting points of steel and titanium are significantly different, with titanium having a higher melting point than steel. In commercial fire scenarios, the temperatures typically reach between 1,000F (538C) and 1,800F (982C), which are below the melting points of both steel and titanium. However, prolonged exposure to extreme heat can lead to significant changes in steel's mechanical properties, such as softening and loss of strength, before it reaches its melting point.

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Ok, you do know that the fires didn't "melt the steel"?, yes?

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no sir. The uncontrolled fire heated the steel. As the steel expanded, it placed increased stress on the remaining steel connections that were not destroyed by the giant hole in the side of the building. Those connections reached the point of plasticity and failed. One floor fell and pancakes onto the floor below it. That floor was over loaded and stressed those connections. Then those two floors fell on to the next and on to the next until it started a progressive collapse.

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Everyone knows the fire was from missiles fired by the Jews. All of those 100 videos of planes hitting the buildings were faked. The Jews also shot missiles at the pentagon.

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oh yeah, I forgot!

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Guys!! I can barely keep up with today's flood of conspiracy theories, and y'all have to drag up one from a quarter century ago?!

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lol my bad.

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Gonna be sweet fellas! Just wait n see ;-) Just like the virus, PCR test, the masks and our FAV mRNA jabs -))
It may be a few more months, I do not know when. But you'll have some time to figure out where those titanium 757 engines disappeared to. The melting point of titanium is way on up there.....and yep steel may have melted but those titanium engines should only have some dents and scratches. Ole werewolf is gonna hit for the cycle one more time ;-).

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You've been well documented here. Just reminding you what you've already documented.

For some more #Gobbler scoffing. Let's get you on the record once again ;-)

Melting point of steel versus titanium versus a commercial fire temperature
The melting points of steel and titanium are significantly different, with titanium having a higher melting point than steel. In commercial fire scenarios, the temperatures typically reach between 1,000F (538C) and 1,800F (982C), which are below the melting points of both steel and titanium. However, prolonged exposure to extreme heat can lead to significant changes in steel's mechanical properties, such as softening and loss of strength, before it reaches its melting point.

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Ok, you do know that the fires didn't "melt the steel"?, yes?

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no sir. The uncontrolled fire heated the steel. As the steel expanded, it placed increased stress on the remaining steel connections that were not destroyed by the giant hole in the side of the building. Those connections reached the point of plasticity and failed. One floor fell and pancakes onto the floor
below it. That floor was over loaded and stressed those connections. Then those two floors fell on to the next and on to the next until it started a progressive collapse.

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that's a very good effort with strength of materials, LOL
That's nice of you to point out by the way.....the fire never reached a temperature that melts steel. I like this point you make!

Hey gobbler, it's late tonight, but I just needed to know how you completed your analysis. Was it Hardy Cross, GT STUDL or by simple hand calc?

I guess you need to know if it was A572 or A36 steel too don't you? ;-)

Not going to disrespect our two VETs here....that can have all the free shots at me they want to take; I'm not firing back. #RESPECT

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"For me, we aren't having an honest conversation about any of that."

How laughable; we've never been allowed to question or been provided evidence contrary to the Big Pharma/Medical establishment. You're seeing a new direction outside of the carefully crafted narrative that you've been sucking from the straw so hard on.

You're having your 1st real peak outside YOUR MATRIX.......that's what's happening.

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no, I object to you insisting it's a vast conspiracy, not questioning Pharma and healthcare

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I'm sure you do, haha. There's no Deep State too. COVID-19 was a bat virus, 6-ft distancing protects you and surgical mask does too, the jabs work and will protection the vaccinated and the unvaccinated will die but should be locked up and quarantined, the 2020 election was not stolen and 2018 and 2022 weren't either, your side didn't attempt to steal 2024, J6 was an insurrection, Ukraine doesn't have bioweapons labs, 9-11 was caused by 757 and 767 jets flying into the Pentagon and Twin Towers and there were no titanium engines on them either, and the 3rd trade center tower fell several seconds after it was reported to have fallen. LOL. yup, u da man.

And tariffs will cause astronomical inflation and our ciritical supply chain isn't important. Trump will cause a world war and the stock market crashed only a few days after tariffs are implemented. LOL......yep, y r da man.

Oh, and the horse pill that won a Nobel Prize will kill ya.

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• The only "Deep State" is the one congress put in place to spread a little power around to prevent a wanna-be dictator. I can see why MAGA hates it.
• COVID-19 was a bat virus. Whether it was brought to the lab and then escaped we'll never know.
• Masks and 6 ft helped protect others from you for a while, which slowed the spread of an asymptomatic virus. You guys still don't get that distinction.
• The vaccine did work and saved a bunch of lives. You still seem to be harboring a lot of anger... I bet just apologizing for acting like a deranged child during a national health crises might actually make you feel a lot better.
• Every election Trump ever lost was not stolen. He's just the whiniest loser in American history. And Russia was calling in bomb threats to Dem precincts in PA all election night. If anyone was trying to steal the 2024 election it was you.
• Jan 6th was an insurrection. We all watched it live on TV.
• Herp de durp bioweapons labs durp herp de 9/11.
• The Fed just made clear that a big jump in prices due to tariffs is coming. Whether that leads to sustained inflation after that is unknown.
• Oh, and the horse pill is great, its just that actual science showed that it isn't effective against Covid. Don't feel bad, millions of other great drugs aren't either. And taking too much of the horse pill will in fact kill you. Oh well, at least you didn't take Trump's advice and gargle bleach. Or did you?

How you manage to be wrong about literally everything is pretty impressive. You'd almost think someone is pulling your strings.

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Looks like former FBI Director James Comey is going to be indicted in the next few days. Hopefully the first of many Treasonous *******s to get some comeuppance.

https://justthenews.com/government/federal-agencies/former-fbi-director-james-comey-expected-be-indicted-coming-days-report?utm_source=mux&utm_medium=social-media&utm_campaign=social-media-autopost

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If so, I don't like that it's advertised in advance.

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Probably leaked from deep staters still in the system. Of course they may have notified his lawyers since he is a former Law Enforcement Officer. As long as it happens, I don't care how he finds out about it.

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Looks like former FBI Director James Comey is going to be indicted in the next few days. Hopefully the first of many Treasonous *******s to get some comeuppance.

https://justthenews.com/government/federal-agencies/former-fbi-director-james-comey-expected-be-indicted-coming-days-report?utm_source=mux&utm_medium=social-media&utm_campaign=social-media-autopost

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If so, I don't like that it's advertised in advance.

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Probably leaked from deep staters still in the system. Of course they may have notified his lawyers since he is a former Law Enforcement Officer. As long as it happens, I don't care how he finds out about it.

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Yeah, I'm just tired of basic law not being followed….grand jury secrecy and all that.

Take another jab, wise man! Darn bats in the bat cave....

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Looks like former FBI Director James Comey is going to be indicted in the next few days. Hopefully the first of many Treasonous *******s to get some comeuppance.

https://justthenews.com/government/federal-agencies/former-fbi-director-james-comey-expected-be-indicted-coming-days-report?utm_source=mux&utm_medium=social-media&utm_campaign=social-media-autopost

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If so, I don't like that it's advertised in advance.

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Probably leaked from deep staters still in the system. Of course they may have notified his lawyers since he is a former Law Enforcement Officer. As long as it happens, I don't care how he finds out about it.

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Yeah, I'm just tired of basic law not being followed….grand jury secrecy and all that.

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I think it's speculation based more on the statute of limitations than anyone leaking significant information. September 30th will be 5 years, so they would have to act soon.

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Hey gobbler, it's late tonight, but I just needed to know how you completed your analysis. Was it Hardy Cross, GT STUDL or by simple hand calc?

I guess you need to know if it was A572 or A36 steel too don't you? ;-)

Not going to disrespect our two VETs here....that can have all the free shots at me they want to take; I'm not firing back. #RESPECT

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I don't need to model it, the structural support for the building was the exterior steel. Open web joists connected to that steel. Open web joists are designed to support a specified dead and live load with a factor of safety. When you crash a giant airplane into a building and start a huge fire, joists are never going to survive that.

Why do roofs collapse on every day buildings with open web joists from regular fires? Why are sprinklers mandatory in these buildings? Why do fire fighters call these systems widow makers? Because how I described the failure above is exactly why.

All the engines survived all the crashes. Whether or not they were pulverized by two buildings collapsing depended upon where they ended upon in our outside the building. They also didn't melt.

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Hey gobbler, it's late tonight, but I just needed to know how you completed your analysis. Was it Hardy Cross, GT STUDL or by simple hand calc?

I guess you need to know if it was A572 or A36 steel too don't you? ;-)

Not going to disrespect our two VETs here....that can have all the free shots at me they want to take; I'm not firing back. #RESPECT

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I don't need to model it, the structural support for the building was the exterior steel. Open web joists connected to that steel. Open web joists are designed to support a specified dead and live load with a factor of safety. When you crash a giant airplane into a building and start a huge fire, joists are never going to survive that.

Why do roofs collapse on every day buildings with open web joists from regular fires? Why are sprinklers mandatory in these buildings? Why do fire fighters call these systems widow makers? Because how I described the failure above is exactly why.

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I enjoy drawing you out on a limb! When the limb is cut off your fall is that much more enjoyabe to watch. Find those tons of titanium engines and you'll find those planes. Let's not hihack the thread with this but it will be back to chat about before Trump is out of office. It will just be one more K on the board.

How about instead of being a crackpot and dishonoring especially the 343 that died that day. Why don't you look up and read about these incredible Americans. You can start with Dennis Mojica and Ray Downey. Two family friends who were lost that day running into those buildings to save lives.

I've read about them friend....it is tragic certainly. Gonna enjoy #daGobbler being plucked again and again and again. Enjoy ur day

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The individuals who commit the violent acts have to take the legal consequences alone, as that is our system, and no other system would work.

But none of them cooked up their opinions on their own.…

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Looks like former FBI Director James Comey is going to be indicted in the next few days. Hopefully the first of many Treasonous *******s to get some comeuppance.

https://justthenews.com/government/federal-agencies/former-fbi-director-james-comey-expected-be-indicted-coming-days-report?utm_source=mux&utm_medium=social-media&utm_campaign=social-media-autopost

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If so, I don't like that it's advertised in advance.

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By "advertised in advance" I can only assume you mean "Trump proudly firing federal prosecutors that refuse to arrest Americans on his enemies list for crimes they didn't commit, and then publicly DM'ing Pam Bondi to make sure she knows that's what's expected of her."

Yeah I don't like that either.

Obama would've been impeached for that, but in the Funhouse mirror circus that is this Administration, that got swallowed up in a normal weekend news cycle.

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The arrogance of ignorance you use in your arguments is astounding. You cheerleaded a prosecutor that ran simply on putting Trump in jail. She had no platform. Just put Trump in jail. You celebrated that. Quit crying now, hypocrite. Elections have consequences. It's time for all of the illegal behavior you supported to get prosecuted.

Enemies list lol. Your people tried to invent crimes to jail him and assassinate him. ******* right he has an enemies list. Enemies of the state.

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I don't cheerlead anyone, especially prosecutors.

Fortunately with prosecutions, there are adults in the room, as Trump is finding out. You actually have to have this thing called "evidence" for a "prosecutor" or "judge" or "grand jury" to bite on an "indictment."

You and Trump seem to be skipping over a few of these key elements.

Keep raging at "your people" boogeymen though.

The cycle of Life Sciences in Triangle

What does the Trump Administration want:

- On shoring of drugmaking

Do we have it in North Carolina?

- YES!

Fujifilm's North Carolina plant opens amid push to onshore drugmaking

Why do drug makers want to build plants in North Carolina?

- Because there is a ton of research talent here thanks to Duke, NC State, and UNC!

Why is there a tone of research talent at Duke, NC State, and UNC?

- Because all three Universities compete and secure $100's of millions of dollars of research grants - public and private every year! Then that talent works in those labs, graduate, and become workers at these drug making facilities.

But wait, I thought the Universities were stealing money from the Federal Government, how is it possible that $100's of millions of federal grants that these Universities receive turn into Billions in economic impact to the Triangle?

Biotech and Pharma has revitalized the Research Triangle Park. We now compete and win regularly with Boston-Cambridge, Mass, San Francisco Bay Area, New Jersey, San Diego, Maryland/DC Metro, and Greater Philadelphia PA.

The Triangle is now BEATING Seattle, Los Angeles, and Chicago in volume.

Here's the list of manufacturers currently in the Triangle:
1. Merck
2. GlaxoSmithKline
3. Novo Nordisk,
4. Novartis
5. Pfizer
6. Fuji Biotechnologies
7. Eli Lilly

Coming soon
1. Genetech
2. Coriolis
3. Gilead Sciences
4. More facility construction for the 7 listed above and yearly retooling, and renovation of the facilities.

Additionally, over 500 pharmaceutical and biotechnology companies across the state of NC

23% industry growth in the last 10 years!

All of this is because we have talent here to sell. When the talent starts to disappear, these companies will move back to Mass, NJ, PA, and Indiana for new projects rather than continued reinvestment here in NC

That's 58,000 direct jobs, probably triple that amount in adjacent jobs, millions of dollars in tax revenue generated.

All in all, pretty good investment that has had an extreme benefit to the State of NC. And to think, we're going to piss it all away in this state because we can't see the big picture.

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The Presidential Walk of Fame has arrived on the West Wing Colonnade

Wait for it… 🖊️👀 pic.twitter.com/ApWfdxfFQa

— Margo Martin (@MargoMartin47) September 24, 2025

Margo Martin is a senior advisor to President Trump. The Presidential Walk of Fame has arrived at the White House. For 46, there is no pic of Biden, just an autopen implying that Biden never was officially President.

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Not a fan. Hope they swap it out.

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Looks like former FBI Director James Comey is going to be indicted in the next few days. Hopefully the first of many Treasonous *******s to get some comeuppance.

https://justthenews.com/government/federal-agencies/former-fbi-director-james-comey-expected-be-indicted-coming-days-report?utm_source=mux&utm_medium=social-media&utm_campaign=social-media-autopost

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If so, I don't like that it's advertised in advance.

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By "advertised in advance" I can only assume you mean "Trump proudly firing federal prosecutors that refuse to arrest Americans on his enemies list for crimes they didn't commit, and then publicly DM'ing Pam Bondi to make sure she knows that's what's expected of her."

Yeah I don't like that either.

Obama would've been impeached for that, but in the Funhouse mirror circus that is this Administration, that got swallowed up in a normal weekend news cycle.

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The arrogance of ignorance you use in your arguments is astounding. You cheerleaded a prosecutor that ran simply on putting Trump in jail. She had no platform. Just put Trump in jail. You celebrated that. Quit crying now, hypocrite. Elections have consequences. It's time for all of the illegal behavior you supported to get prosecuted.

Enemies list lol. Your people tried to invent crimes to jail him and assassinate him. ******* right he has an enemies list. Enemies of the state.

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I don't cheerlead anyone, especially prosecutors.

Fortunately with prosecutions, there are adults in the room, as Trump is finding out. You actually have to have this thing called "evidence" for a "prosecutor" or "judge" or "grand jury" to bite on an "indictment."

You and Trump seem to be skipping over a few of these key elements.

Keep raging at "your people" boogeymen though.

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I sure will. And you keep lying about what you did. Pretty standard for you guys. Zero integrity.

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GetOffMyLawnPack said:

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The Presidential Walk of Fame has arrived on the West Wing Colonnade

Wait for it… 🖊️👀 pic.twitter.com/ApWfdxfFQa

— Margo Martin (@MargoMartin47) September 24, 2025

Margo Martin is a senior advisor to President Trump. The Presidential Walk of Fame has arrived at the White House. For 46, there is no pic of Biden, just an autopen implying that Biden never was officially President.

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Not a fan. Hope they swap it out.

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It's petty like when the Clinton folks removed all the "w" keys from the keyboards when they left office.

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The Presidential Walk of Fame has arrived on the West Wing Colonnade

Wait for it… 🖊️👀 pic.twitter.com/ApWfdxfFQa

— Margo Martin (@MargoMartin47) September 24, 2025

Margo Martin is a senior advisor to President Trump. The Presidential Walk of Fame has arrived at the White House. For 46, there is no pic of Biden, just an autopen implying that Biden never was officially President.

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Not a fan. Hope they swap it out.

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It's petty like when the Clinton folks removed all the "w" keys from the keyboards when they left office.

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Two wrongs dont make a right

Get your popcorn popper out!

BREAKING: Politico is reporting that the White House has instructed federal agencies to prepare MASS FIRING plans in the event of a government shutdown.

Now I’m definitely rooting for a government shutdown. pic.twitter.com/FKXAzQe7Lg

— Wall Street Mav (@WallStreetMav) September 25, 2025

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The economy rebounded even more in this year's second quarter than previously reported, the Commerce Department sayshttps://t.co/8bQIvrELnL

— CNN Breaking News (@cnnbrk) September 25, 2025

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Someone at CNN must have accidentally let that one slip through as "breaking news", before they had enough of a chance to "reframe" that information to make it read more to their liking.

Just give them a little time though.

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The economy rebounded even more in this year's second quarter than previously reported, the Commerce Department sayshttps://t.co/8bQIvrELnL

— CNN Breaking News (@cnnbrk) September 25, 2025

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Our liberal friends are not going to like that bit of good news. They were instructed to believe the opposite.