SmaptyWolf said:caryking said:
This country is very SICK!! We need some type of healing!
Charlie Kirk has now been shot!!
It's like you have no knowledge of your other personality who gets on here clamoring for civil war. Yeah, this country is sick all right.
We'll start healing just as soon as MAGA slithers back under its rock.
caryking said:SmaptyWolf said:caryking said:
This country is very SICK!! We need some type of healing!
Charlie Kirk has now been shot!!
It's like you have no knowledge of your other personality who gets on here clamoring for civil war. Yeah, this country is sick all right.
We'll start healing just as soon as MAGA slithers back under its rock.
Smapty, you are part of the problem.
caryking said:
This country is very SICK!! We need some type of healing!
Charlie Kirk has now been shot!!
Gulfstream4 said:caryking said:SmaptyWolf said:caryking said:
This country is very SICK!! We need some type of healing!
Charlie Kirk has now been shot!!
It's like you have no knowledge of your other personality who gets on here clamoring for civil war. Yeah, this country is sick all right.
We'll start healing just as soon as MAGA slithers back under its rock.
Smapty, you are part of the problem.
I guarantee you Smapty is okay with the killing. He may not come and say it but you know he won't lose any sleep.
Every democrat politician all over X right now is condemning the violence against Charlie Kirk
— MJTruthUltra (@MJTruthUltra) September 10, 2025
However, Democrats and the MSM’s constant rhetoric and hateful calls for violence are exactly why he got shot.https://t.co/BK9Cx9rYiw https://t.co/dGMYMsa9Nb pic.twitter.com/lOg5U2eqpB
FlossyDFlynt said:Civilized said:FlossyDFlynt said:Civilized said:FlossyDFlynt said:Civilized said:FlossyDFlynt said:Civilized said:packgrad said:#Chicago pic.twitter.com/peTDqQfwd7
— Larry Elder (@larryelder) September 10, 2025
Aside from the obvious facts that the National Guard isn't trained for municipal police work; that the military patrolling city streets around the country isn't scalable or sustainable; that military rising patrolling streets around the country for clearly partisan reasons is profoundly anti-democratic and harms public trust; and most importantly that there's no evidence that military occupying city streets has the intended effect of actually reducing crime long-term in ways that job programs, mentorship, and hotspot policing don't do better.
You're aware that violent crime is up in DC since the occupation, right?
And that crime across the country, including annd especially in major metropolitan areas has long been in decline, and that DC specifically was at a 30 year low in violent crime prior to the National Guard deployment?
This is 100% more of Trump's reality TV optics Jedi mind trick bull**** and y'all are falling for it.
I dont mean this as a slight, but where are you seeing this? It seems widely accepted that the crackdown in DC is working as intended, even to the point that Mayor Bowser has taken Trumps side
Really? What's the intent? What's the actual plan?
We keeping the Guard in cities for months/years on end? What's the cost of doing that? What are the downsides?
And is that even Constitutional?
The answers to these questions seem pretty obvious.
The plan is to illegally politicize and mobilize the military so that the Administration can benefit electorally.
If simply reducing crime was the true intent, don't you think it's pretty convenient that Trump seems to be ignoring red-state cities with much higher rates of crime, especially murder, than LA, DC, Philly, and Chicago? What about St. Louis, Memphis, Birmingham, and others? 8 of the top 10 rates of violent crime are in cities in red states. Weird coincidence we're not hearing anything about those cities, huh?
Think maybe Trump doesn't want to piss off red-state Congressmen and governors?
You think maybe that sticks a fork in the "the Administration is just fighting crime!" theory?
The biggest issue is how unconstitutional and anti-American having political mobilizations of the military to patrol our streets is.Quote:
In a careful but ultimately devastating rebuke of the administration, Judge Charles Breyer held in Newsom v. Trump that the government's use of federal troops violated an 1878 statute called the Posse Comitatus Act, which forbids the government from using federal troops for law enforcement purposes. "The evidence at trial established that defendants systematically used armed soldiers … and military vehicles to set up protective perimeters and traffic blockades, engage in crowd control, and otherwise demonstrate a military presence in and around Los Angeles," Breyer wrote. "In short, defendants violated the Posse Comitatus Act."
The administration argued that this case fell under an exception to Posse Comitatus first, because it claimed it was acting to protect federal persons and assets, and second, because it was suppressing a "rebellion" under a federal statute that authorized troop deployment when civil law is under threat. Breyer rejected these arguments, holding instead that the protective power and use of the federal statute in question required a showing that local officials were "unable or unwilling" to provide adequate protection. The government could not show this to be the case.
Further, he found the administration's arguments wildly out of step with the act's meaning, stating, "The court will not take defendants' invitation to create a brand-new exception to the Posse Comitatus Act that nullifies the act itself."
What are you talking about? I asked where you got the line about violent crime going up in DC since the crackdown.
Also, DC is under federal control and has been since its inception.
I got it from Wiki; the cited article in Wiki was CNN.
Yea...Im gonna call BS on that one. From The Hill (https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/5483498-muriel-bowser-dc-task-force-trump-takeover/)Quote:
Washington Mayor Muriel Bowser (D) signed an order Tuesday authorizing coordination between local police and federal forces extending beyond President Trump's declared emergency in the nation's capital.
The top priorities for the joint effort will include homelessness and encampments, beautification, and finance and economic resilience, according to a release from Bowser's office.Quote:
Trump's moves in the district led to a 12-day streak without homicides and a lower rate of violent crime, according to the Trump administration, as hundreds of National Guard soldiers were deployed in the last few weeks to help patrol the city.
I realize the second quote is coming from the administration, but I doubt Bowser would be on board to continue if it wasnt having a positive effect
OK.
The short-term effects are low-hanging fruit. Frankly I'd be surprised if adding several thousand roving de facto cops didn't reduce crime short-term, especially non-violent property crimes that are often done at street level, like break-ins or car thefts.
But that's not scalable, sustainable, or very likely even legal.
What's the long-term plan?
How are the underlying causes of crime being addressed?
Would that money be better spent adding federal funding to mentoring, job creation, mental health, and hot-spot policing by actual trained cops?
What's the cost? The damage? The Constitutionality?
It's politics and optics, plain and simple. If it were humanitarian, you'd see the National Guard in Dallas, Houston, Phoenix, San Antonio, or Memphis, Birmingham, or St. Louis "reducing crime" there too.
Trump is well within his rights to deploy the national guard to DC, its under federal control. Im fully aware hes blustering about doing the same in other cities, but until he does, Im not going to be clutching my pearls. If it does happen, his administration will rightfully be sued and they will be sent back.
And of course its politics and optics. Hes doing his best to show that the Democrats soft on crime policies are putting the public in danger, and Id say its working. This is another 80/20 issue the Dems seem to be willing to fight for whatever reason because they cannot allow a Trump win no matter what. Roy Cooper is getting dragged more in the last week for whats happened than he did for at any point during his terms as governor (which is a sad state in itself, but thats a whole other discussion).
Civilized said:Gulfstream4 said:caryking said:SmaptyWolf said:caryking said:
This country is very SICK!! We need some type of healing!
Charlie Kirk has now been shot!!
It's like you have no knowledge of your other personality who gets on here clamoring for civil war. Yeah, this country is sick all right.
We'll start healing just as soon as MAGA slithers back under its rock.
Smapty, you are part of the problem.
I guarantee you Smapty is okay with the killing. He may not come and say it but you know he won't lose any sleep.
Charlie Kirk's death is terribly tragic, and brutally ironic given his very vocal and proud stance on the acceptable cost and tradeoff of increased gun violence, including in schools, in the name of protecting the 2nd Amendment.
This will be talked about a lot in the coming days, and should be. He likely would have wanted that dialogue. I disagree with his stance but appreciate how clearly he communicated his conviction. If we want more guns, the cost is more gun deaths. We should all be very clear and honest about that. The only question is where we draw the line as a country between protecting gun ownership and protecting people from gun violence.
Beautiful family enduring a loss that no family should have to. So sorry for his wife and kids and parents and loved ones. We're worse off as a country when people are at serious risk of being shot by a nutcase with a gun for voicing their opinions in public (even very strong and controversial opinions).
caryking said:Civilized said:Gulfstream4 said:caryking said:SmaptyWolf said:caryking said:
This country is very SICK!! We need some type of healing!
Charlie Kirk has now been shot!!
It's like you have no knowledge of your other personality who gets on here clamoring for civil war. Yeah, this country is sick all right.
We'll start healing just as soon as MAGA slithers back under its rock.
Smapty, you are part of the problem.
I guarantee you Smapty is okay with the killing. He may not come and say it but you know he won't lose any sleep.
Charlie Kirk's death is terribly tragic, and brutally ironic given his very vocal and proud stance on the acceptable cost and tradeoff of increased gun violence, including in schools, in the name of protecting the 2nd Amendment.
This will be talked about a lot in the coming days, and should be. He likely would have wanted that dialogue. I disagree with his stance but appreciate how clearly he communicated his conviction. If we want more guns, the cost is more gun deaths. We should all be very clear and honest about that. The only question is where we draw the line as a country between protecting gun ownership and protecting people from gun violence.
Beautiful family enduring a loss that no family should have to. So sorry for his wife and kids and parents and loved ones. We're worse off as a country when people are at serious risk of being shot by a nutcase with a gun for voicing their opinions in public (even very strong and controversial opinions).
Civ, nothing you said is debatable. That said, its the people you more closely align with are the instigators of these hideous acts. Even in the schools, the instigators more closely align with your ideology, than mine. I will always believe that guns don't kill people. People kill people. The question is: who are these people killing people. Well, the vast majority of times they more closely align with you, not me.
So, your remarks have a lot of truth; unfortunately, you left out the key context! It's your people that are doing the killing. BTW, prior to the assassination of Charlie Kirk, the young Ukrainian was murdered by a pocket knife.
Civilized said:caryking said:Civilized said:Gulfstream4 said:caryking said:SmaptyWolf said:caryking said:
This country is very SICK!! We need some type of healing!
Charlie Kirk has now been shot!!
It's like you have no knowledge of your other personality who gets on here clamoring for civil war. Yeah, this country is sick all right.
We'll start healing just as soon as MAGA slithers back under its rock.
Smapty, you are part of the problem.
I guarantee you Smapty is okay with the killing. He may not come and say it but you know he won't lose any sleep.
Charlie Kirk's death is terribly tragic, and brutally ironic given his very vocal and proud stance on the acceptable cost and tradeoff of increased gun violence, including in schools, in the name of protecting the 2nd Amendment.
This will be talked about a lot in the coming days, and should be. He likely would have wanted that dialogue. I disagree with his stance but appreciate how clearly he communicated his conviction. If we want more guns, the cost is more gun deaths. We should all be very clear and honest about that. The only question is where we draw the line as a country between protecting gun ownership and protecting people from gun violence.
Beautiful family enduring a loss that no family should have to. So sorry for his wife and kids and parents and loved ones. We're worse off as a country when people are at serious risk of being shot by a nutcase with a gun for voicing their opinions in public (even very strong and controversial opinions).
Civ, nothing you said is debatable. That said, its the people you more closely align with are the instigators of these hideous acts. Even in the schools, the instigators more closely align with your ideology, than mine. I will always believe that guns don't kill people. People kill people. The question is: who are these people killing people. Well, the vast majority of times they more closely align with you, not me.
So, your remarks have a lot of truth; unfortunately, you left out the key context! It's your people that are doing the killing. BTW, prior to the assassination of Charlie Kirk, the young Ukrainian was murdered by a pocket knife.
Cary, C'mon man.
How do school shooters align with "my ideology" exactly?
When you say "your people" are doing the killing, who are you talking about?
Here's one of Kamala Harris's biggest supporters on TikTok, celebrating the murder of Charlie Kirk.
— Vince Langman (@LangmanVince) September 10, 2025
You can't hate these people enough! pic.twitter.com/RIoZn2OpxZ
caryking said:Civilized said:caryking said:Civilized said:Gulfstream4 said:caryking said:SmaptyWolf said:caryking said:
This country is very SICK!! We need some type of healing!
Charlie Kirk has now been shot!!
It's like you have no knowledge of your other personality who gets on here clamoring for civil war. Yeah, this country is sick all right.
We'll start healing just as soon as MAGA slithers back under its rock.
Smapty, you are part of the problem.
I guarantee you Smapty is okay with the killing. He may not come and say it but you know he won't lose any sleep.
Charlie Kirk's death is terribly tragic, and brutally ironic given his very vocal and proud stance on the acceptable cost and tradeoff of increased gun violence, including in schools, in the name of protecting the 2nd Amendment.
This will be talked about a lot in the coming days, and should be. He likely would have wanted that dialogue. I disagree with his stance but appreciate how clearly he communicated his conviction. If we want more guns, the cost is more gun deaths. We should all be very clear and honest about that. The only question is where we draw the line as a country between protecting gun ownership and protecting people from gun violence.
Beautiful family enduring a loss that no family should have to. So sorry for his wife and kids and parents and loved ones. We're worse off as a country when people are at serious risk of being shot by a nutcase with a gun for voicing their opinions in public (even very strong and controversial opinions).
Civ, nothing you said is debatable. That said, its the people you more closely align with are the instigators of these hideous acts. Even in the schools, the instigators more closely align with your ideology, than mine. I will always believe that guns don't kill people. People kill people. The question is: who are these people killing people. Well, the vast majority of times they more closely align with you, not me.
So, your remarks have a lot of truth; unfortunately, you left out the key context! It's your people that are doing the killing. BTW, prior to the assassination of Charlie Kirk, the young Ukrainian was murdered by a pocket knife.
Cary, C'mon man.
How do school shooters align with "my ideology" exactly?
When you say "your people" are doing the killing, who are you talking about?
Civ, if you truly aren't able to see this, then that really is on you. Now, I'm not saying you are a person that would do something this hideous; however, the alignment of the most recent (10 to 15 years) people, committing these terrorist acts, absolutely align more closely to your ideology than mine.
This is exactly what I'm talking about…
Civilized said:caryking said:Civilized said:caryking said:Civilized said:Gulfstream4 said:caryking said:SmaptyWolf said:caryking said:
This country is very SICK!! We need some type of healing!
Charlie Kirk has now been shot!!
It's like you have no knowledge of your other personality who gets on here clamoring for civil war. Yeah, this country is sick all right.
We'll start healing just as soon as MAGA slithers back under its rock.
Smapty, you are part of the problem.
I guarantee you Smapty is okay with the killing. He may not come and say it but you know he won't lose any sleep.
Charlie Kirk's death is terribly tragic, and brutally ironic given his very vocal and proud stance on the acceptable cost and tradeoff of increased gun violence, including in schools, in the name of protecting the 2nd Amendment.
This will be talked about a lot in the coming days, and should be. He likely would have wanted that dialogue. I disagree with his stance but appreciate how clearly he communicated his conviction. If we want more guns, the cost is more gun deaths. We should all be very clear and honest about that. The only question is where we draw the line as a country between protecting gun ownership and protecting people from gun violence.
Beautiful family enduring a loss that no family should have to. So sorry for his wife and kids and parents and loved ones. We're worse off as a country when people are at serious risk of being shot by a nutcase with a gun for voicing their opinions in public (even very strong and controversial opinions).
Civ, nothing you said is debatable. That said, its the people you more closely align with are the instigators of these hideous acts. Even in the schools, the instigators more closely align with your ideology, than mine. I will always believe that guns don't kill people. People kill people. The question is: who are these people killing people. Well, the vast majority of times they more closely align with you, not me.
So, your remarks have a lot of truth; unfortunately, you left out the key context! It's your people that are doing the killing. BTW, prior to the assassination of Charlie Kirk, the young Ukrainian was murdered by a pocket knife.
Cary, C'mon man.
How do school shooters align with "my ideology" exactly?
When you say "your people" are doing the killing, who are you talking about?
Civ, if you truly aren't able to see this, then that really is on you. Now, I'm not saying you are a person that would do something this hideous; however, the alignment of the most recent (10 to 15 years) people, committing these terrorist acts, absolutely align more closely to your ideology than mine.
This is exactly what I'm talking about…
Cary this country has 340 million people. The analysis of anything like this has to go deeper than looking at random social media accounts. Playing tit-for-tat in the cesspool of social media doesn't advance the conversation one iota.
And what you're saying about the political alignment of extremist killers over the last decade or two is clearly and quantitatively false. I'll leave it at that so as not to inflame the situation.
🚨NEW: Utah Governor Spencer's Cox's powerful statement on the assassination of Charlie Kirk:
— Fox News (@FoxNews) September 10, 2025
"This is a dark day for our state. It's a tragic day for our nation."
"I want to be very clear that this is a political assassination..."
"I want to make it crystal clear right now to… pic.twitter.com/bLVZgEWnol
Civilized said:
Really touching and heartfelt remarks by Spencer Cox, the Utah governor.
Seems like the type of person we could use a lot more of in politics.🚨NEW: Utah Governor Spencer's Cox's powerful statement on the assassination of Charlie Kirk:
— Fox News (@FoxNews) September 10, 2025
"This is a dark day for our state. It's a tragic day for our nation."
"I want to be very clear that this is a political assassination..."
"I want to make it crystal clear right now to… pic.twitter.com/bLVZgEWnol
they've been ramping up their rhetoric for damn near 10 years at this point and we're now at a point where assassinations are common...
— HelioWave (@heliodown) September 10, 2025
meanwhile cnn and msnbc are already trying to blame "right wing rhetoric" for the charlie kirk sh0oting
insanity pic.twitter.com/Vxj2FVdFNx
Senator Chris Murphy, yesterday:
— Western Lensman (@WesternLensman) September 10, 2025
“We're in a war right now to save this country. And so you have to be willing to do whatever is necessary in order to save the country." pic.twitter.com/bdj1rlsDT5
👀‼️The Last 24 Hours
— Joshua Reid | Redpills.tv (@realjoshuareid) September 10, 2025
🔴Trump calls for National Prayer, Protection of Christians, Prayer back in schools.
🔴Barron Trump moved from NYU to DC Campus and living back in White House.
🔴Trump Admin declares National Guard will be moving into select cities over next few days.…
TheStorm said:
Let me guess.
Civ and the MSM. "Just a random, sick individual... definitely not politically motivated".
Dems want to destroy this country. Dems like Civ want to deny that, but when you vote for their policies, then that's exactly what you are supporting.
Nice job, guys!
Civilized said:caryking said:Civilized said:caryking said:Civilized said:Gulfstream4 said:caryking said:SmaptyWolf said:caryking said:
This country is very SICK!! We need some type of healing!
Charlie Kirk has now been shot!!
It's like you have no knowledge of your other personality who gets on here clamoring for civil war. Yeah, this country is sick all right.
We'll start healing just as soon as MAGA slithers back under its rock.
Smapty, you are part of the problem.
I guarantee you Smapty is okay with the killing. He may not come and say it but you know he won't lose any sleep.
Charlie Kirk's death is terribly tragic, and brutally ironic given his very vocal and proud stance on the acceptable cost and tradeoff of increased gun violence, including in schools, in the name of protecting the 2nd Amendment.
This will be talked about a lot in the coming days, and should be. He likely would have wanted that dialogue. I disagree with his stance but appreciate how clearly he communicated his conviction. If we want more guns, the cost is more gun deaths. We should all be very clear and honest about that. The only question is where we draw the line as a country between protecting gun ownership and protecting people from gun violence.
Beautiful family enduring a loss that no family should have to. So sorry for his wife and kids and parents and loved ones. We're worse off as a country when people are at serious risk of being shot by a nutcase with a gun for voicing their opinions in public (even very strong and controversial opinions).
Civ, nothing you said is debatable. That said, its the people you more closely align with are the instigators of these hideous acts. Even in the schools, the instigators more closely align with your ideology, than mine. I will always believe that guns don't kill people. People kill people. The question is: who are these people killing people. Well, the vast majority of times they more closely align with you, not me.
So, your remarks have a lot of truth; unfortunately, you left out the key context! It's your people that are doing the killing. BTW, prior to the assassination of Charlie Kirk, the young Ukrainian was murdered by a pocket knife.
Cary, C'mon man.
How do school shooters align with "my ideology" exactly?
When you say "your people" are doing the killing, who are you talking about?
Civ, if you truly aren't able to see this, then that really is on you. Now, I'm not saying you are a person that would do something this hideous; however, the alignment of the most recent (10 to 15 years) people, committing these terrorist acts, absolutely align more closely to your ideology than mine.
This is exactly what I'm talking about…
Cary this country has 340 million people. The analysis of anything like this has to go deeper than looking at random social media accounts. Playing tit-for-tat in the cesspool of social media doesn't advance the conversation one iota.
And what you're saying about the political alignment of extremist killers over the last decade or two is clearly and quantitatively false. I'll leave it at that so as not to inflame the situation.
"U.S. officials initially wanted to transport the workers in handcuffs, according to Seoul’s Foreign Ministry. South Korea objected, saying they weren’t criminals. On Thursday, the detainees walked free without any restraints." https://t.co/0ieMB3FCR9 pic.twitter.com/m6DRMUdYJQ
— Scott Lincicome (@scottlincicome) September 11, 2025
Gulfstream4 said:Civilized said:caryking said:Civilized said:caryking said:Civilized said:Gulfstream4 said:caryking said:SmaptyWolf said:caryking said:
This country is very SICK!! We need some type of healing!
Charlie Kirk has now been shot!!
It's like you have no knowledge of your other personality who gets on here clamoring for civil war. Yeah, this country is sick all right.
We'll start healing just as soon as MAGA slithers back under its rock.
Smapty, you are part of the problem.
I guarantee you Smapty is okay with the killing. He may not come and say it but you know he won't lose any sleep.
Charlie Kirk's death is terribly tragic, and brutally ironic given his very vocal and proud stance on the acceptable cost and tradeoff of increased gun violence, including in schools, in the name of protecting the 2nd Amendment.
This will be talked about a lot in the coming days, and should be. He likely would have wanted that dialogue. I disagree with his stance but appreciate how clearly he communicated his conviction. If we want more guns, the cost is more gun deaths. We should all be very clear and honest about that. The only question is where we draw the line as a country between protecting gun ownership and protecting people from gun violence.
Beautiful family enduring a loss that no family should have to. So sorry for his wife and kids and parents and loved ones. We're worse off as a country when people are at serious risk of being shot by a nutcase with a gun for voicing their opinions in public (even very strong and controversial opinions).
Civ, nothing you said is debatable. That said, its the people you more closely align with are the instigators of these hideous acts. Even in the schools, the instigators more closely align with your ideology, than mine. I will always believe that guns don't kill people. People kill people. The question is: who are these people killing people. Well, the vast majority of times they more closely align with you, not me.
So, your remarks have a lot of truth; unfortunately, you left out the key context! It's your people that are doing the killing. BTW, prior to the assassination of Charlie Kirk, the young Ukrainian was murdered by a pocket knife.
Cary, C'mon man.
How do school shooters align with "my ideology" exactly?
When you say "your people" are doing the killing, who are you talking about?
Civ, if you truly aren't able to see this, then that really is on you. Now, I'm not saying you are a person that would do something this hideous; however, the alignment of the most recent (10 to 15 years) people, committing these terrorist acts, absolutely align more closely to your ideology than mine.
This is exactly what I'm talking about…
Cary this country has 340 million people. The analysis of anything like this has to go deeper than looking at random social media accounts. Playing tit-for-tat in the cesspool of social media doesn't advance the conversation one iota.
And what you're saying about the political alignment of extremist killers over the last decade or two is clearly and quantitatively false. I'll leave it at that so as not to inflame the situation.
This was a political assassination. Why is that so hard for you to admit? Just own it man.
Civilized said:Gulfstream4 said:Civilized said:caryking said:Civilized said:caryking said:Civilized said:Gulfstream4 said:caryking said:SmaptyWolf said:caryking said:
This country is very SICK!! We need some type of healing!
Charlie Kirk has now been shot!!
It's like you have no knowledge of your other personality who gets on here clamoring for civil war. Yeah, this country is sick all right.
We'll start healing just as soon as MAGA slithers back under its rock.
Smapty, you are part of the problem.
I guarantee you Smapty is okay with the killing. He may not come and say it but you know he won't lose any sleep.
Charlie Kirk's death is terribly tragic, and brutally ironic given his very vocal and proud stance on the acceptable cost and tradeoff of increased gun violence, including in schools, in the name of protecting the 2nd Amendment.
This will be talked about a lot in the coming days, and should be. He likely would have wanted that dialogue. I disagree with his stance but appreciate how clearly he communicated his conviction. If we want more guns, the cost is more gun deaths. We should all be very clear and honest about that. The only question is where we draw the line as a country between protecting gun ownership and protecting people from gun violence.
Beautiful family enduring a loss that no family should have to. So sorry for his wife and kids and parents and loved ones. We're worse off as a country when people are at serious risk of being shot by a nutcase with a gun for voicing their opinions in public (even very strong and controversial opinions).
Civ, nothing you said is debatable. That said, its the people you more closely align with are the instigators of these hideous acts. Even in the schools, the instigators more closely align with your ideology, than mine. I will always believe that guns don't kill people. People kill people. The question is: who are these people killing people. Well, the vast majority of times they more closely align with you, not me.
So, your remarks have a lot of truth; unfortunately, you left out the key context! It's your people that are doing the killing. BTW, prior to the assassination of Charlie Kirk, the young Ukrainian was murdered by a pocket knife.
Cary, C'mon man.
How do school shooters align with "my ideology" exactly?
When you say "your people" are doing the killing, who are you talking about?
Civ, if you truly aren't able to see this, then that really is on you. Now, I'm not saying you are a person that would do something this hideous; however, the alignment of the most recent (10 to 15 years) people, committing these terrorist acts, absolutely align more closely to your ideology than mine.
This is exactly what I'm talking about…
Cary this country has 340 million people. The analysis of anything like this has to go deeper than looking at random social media accounts. Playing tit-for-tat in the cesspool of social media doesn't advance the conversation one iota.
And what you're saying about the political alignment of extremist killers over the last decade or two is clearly and quantitatively false. I'll leave it at that so as not to inflame the situation.
This was a political assassination. Why is that so hard for you to admit? Just own it man.
Why are you creating drama on here where there isn't any?
Were you not on here when you guys came in proclaiming Trump to have been shot by a lefty three seconds after it happened at his rally, and you were completely wrong about that? Think maybe you should let this situation breathe? Is there a downside to that?
Public figures unfortunately attract loons of all stripes. It may well have been cold-blooded and highly political but we won't know till we catch the guy that did it. I'm not going to preemptively hyperventilate about it and go on a State message board pointing fingers at people I've never met.
And I don't "own" actions of anyone other than me and my kids that I'm responsible for, and I don't ask others to do it either. Do you see me on here using inflammatory or unkind speech? Did you see me on here hyperventilating about y'all owning the Minnesota lawmaker and her husband being assassinated by a MAGA loon this summer? What about after the Shapiro firebombing? What about the Whitmer kidnapping plot by the far-right militia extremist group? No, you did not. Try extending the same courtesy.
Are you as affronted about school shootings, including the one yesterday, as you are about Charlie Kirk? What about the gang violence problem that drives up our murder rate
We have a gun problem in this country, and a political violence problem, and a drug problem, and a poverty problem, and a mental health problem, and a rhetoric problem. This isn't news.
The question is, what are we going to do about it? Go on message boards and Twitter and point fingers? That's a colossal waste of time and energy that could be better spent productively elsewhere.
AOC had it right yesterday. Hold our political leaders responsible for their action even moreso than their words. And if they can't do it, elect leaders that can. How are we fixing this? What are we doing about it? Thoughts/prayers?
Mental healthcare. Universal background checks. Red flag protections. Waiting periods. Yes, maybe even assault rifle controls or bans. Mentoring programs. Job creation programs that give people productive opportunities. Not having a President and other leaders that pour gas on the rhetoric fire. By having leaders from both parties that lead by example and condemn full-throatedly political violence whenever and wherever it occurs. Basically, take a page out of the Utah governor's book. That's the speech the President should have made.
What actions would you have our leaders take to quell this long-term?
Civilized said:Gulfstream4 said:Civilized said:caryking said:Civilized said:caryking said:Civilized said:Gulfstream4 said:caryking said:SmaptyWolf said:caryking said:
This country is very SICK!! We need some type of healing!
Charlie Kirk has now been shot!!
It's like you have no knowledge of your other personality who gets on here clamoring for civil war. Yeah, this country is sick all right.
We'll start healing just as soon as MAGA slithers back under its rock.
Smapty, you are part of the problem.
I guarantee you Smapty is okay with the killing. He may not come and say it but you know he won't lose any sleep.
Charlie Kirk's death is terribly tragic, and brutally ironic given his very vocal and proud stance on the acceptable cost and tradeoff of increased gun violence, including in schools, in the name of protecting the 2nd Amendment.
This will be talked about a lot in the coming days, and should be. He likely would have wanted that dialogue. I disagree with his stance but appreciate how clearly he communicated his conviction. If we want more guns, the cost is more gun deaths. We should all be very clear and honest about that. The only question is where we draw the line as a country between protecting gun ownership and protecting people from gun violence.
Beautiful family enduring a loss that no family should have to. So sorry for his wife and kids and parents and loved ones. We're worse off as a country when people are at serious risk of being shot by a nutcase with a gun for voicing their opinions in public (even very strong and controversial opinions).
Civ, nothing you said is debatable. That said, its the people you more closely align with are the instigators of these hideous acts. Even in the schools, the instigators more closely align with your ideology, than mine. I will always believe that guns don't kill people. People kill people. The question is: who are these people killing people. Well, the vast majority of times they more closely align with you, not me.
So, your remarks have a lot of truth; unfortunately, you left out the key context! It's your people that are doing the killing. BTW, prior to the assassination of Charlie Kirk, the young Ukrainian was murdered by a pocket knife.
Cary, C'mon man.
How do school shooters align with "my ideology" exactly?
When you say "your people" are doing the killing, who are you talking about?
Civ, if you truly aren't able to see this, then that really is on you. Now, I'm not saying you are a person that would do something this hideous; however, the alignment of the most recent (10 to 15 years) people, committing these terrorist acts, absolutely align more closely to your ideology than mine.
This is exactly what I'm talking about…
Cary this country has 340 million people. The analysis of anything like this has to go deeper than looking at random social media accounts. Playing tit-for-tat in the cesspool of social media doesn't advance the conversation one iota.
And what you're saying about the political alignment of extremist killers over the last decade or two is clearly and quantitatively false. I'll leave it at that so as not to inflame the situation.
This was a political assassination. Why is that so hard for you to admit? Just own it man.
Why are you creating drama on here where there isn't any?
Were you not on here when you guys came in proclaiming Trump to have been shot by a lefty three seconds after it happened at his rally, and you were completely wrong about that? Think maybe you should let this situation breathe? Is there a downside to that?
Public figures unfortunately attract loons of all stripes. It may well have been cold-blooded and highly political but we won't know till we catch the guy that did it. I'm not going to preemptively hyperventilate about it and go on a State message board pointing fingers at people I've never met.
And I don't "own" actions of anyone other than me and my kids that I'm responsible for, and I don't ask others to do it either. Do you see me on here using inflammatory or unkind speech? Did you see me on here hyperventilating about y'all owning the Minnesota lawmaker and her husband being assassinated by a MAGA loon this summer? What about after the Shapiro firebombing? What about the Whitmer kidnapping plot by the far-right militia extremist group? No, you did not. Try extending the same courtesy.
Are you as affronted about school shootings, including the one yesterday, as you are about Charlie Kirk? What about the gang violence problem that drives up our murder rate
We have a gun problem in this country, and a political violence problem, and a drug problem, and a poverty problem, and a mental health problem, and a rhetoric problem. This isn't news.
The question is, what are we going to do about it? Go on message boards and Twitter and point fingers? That's a colossal waste of time and energy that could be better spent productively elsewhere.
AOC had it right yesterday. Hold our political leaders responsible for their action even moreso than their words. And if they can't do it, elect leaders that can. How are we fixing this? What are we doing about it? Thoughts/prayers?
Mental healthcare. Universal background checks. Red flag protections. Waiting periods. Yes, maybe even assault rifle controls or bans. Mentoring programs. Job creation programs that give people productive opportunities. Not having a President and other leaders that pour gas on the rhetoric fire. By having leaders from both parties that lead by example and condemn full-throatedly political violence whenever and wherever it occurs. Basically, take a page out of the Utah governor's book. That's the speech the President should have made.
What actions would you have our leaders take to quell this long-term?
The Left: “Our opponents are all deplorable Nazis, a basket case of fascists, a real and present threat to democracy, an impending dictatorship, literally Hitler!”
— Alice Smith (@TheAliceSmith) September 11, 2025
The Left: “We can’t say why people are assassinating our opponents, it’s a complete mystery.”
To recap: The same week the US government chains hundreds of Korean workers helping to build a huge new battery factory in Georgia, it mandates hundreds of US workers get make-work jobs at an ancient Illinois steel factory that should've been shut down years ago.
— Scott Lincicome (@scottlincicome) September 11, 2025
Seems bad. https://t.co/sgxyS1V9XV
Civilized said:Gulfstream4 said:Civilized said:caryking said:Civilized said:caryking said:Civilized said:Gulfstream4 said:caryking said:SmaptyWolf said:caryking said:
This country is very SICK!! We need some type of healing!
Charlie Kirk has now been shot!!
It's like you have no knowledge of your other personality who gets on here clamoring for civil war. Yeah, this country is sick all right.
We'll start healing just as soon as MAGA slithers back under its rock.
Smapty, you are part of the problem.
I guarantee you Smapty is okay with the killing. He may not come and say it but you know he won't lose any sleep.
Charlie Kirk's death is terribly tragic, and brutally ironic given his very vocal and proud stance on the acceptable cost and tradeoff of increased gun violence, including in schools, in the name of protecting the 2nd Amendment.
This will be talked about a lot in the coming days, and should be. He likely would have wanted that dialogue. I disagree with his stance but appreciate how clearly he communicated his conviction. If we want more guns, the cost is more gun deaths. We should all be very clear and honest about that. The only question is where we draw the line as a country between protecting gun ownership and protecting people from gun violence.
Beautiful family enduring a loss that no family should have to. So sorry for his wife and kids and parents and loved ones. We're worse off as a country when people are at serious risk of being shot by a nutcase with a gun for voicing their opinions in public (even very strong and controversial opinions).
Civ, nothing you said is debatable. That said, its the people you more closely align with are the instigators of these hideous acts. Even in the schools, the instigators more closely align with your ideology, than mine. I will always believe that guns don't kill people. People kill people. The question is: who are these people killing people. Well, the vast majority of times they more closely align with you, not me.
So, your remarks have a lot of truth; unfortunately, you left out the key context! It's your people that are doing the killing. BTW, prior to the assassination of Charlie Kirk, the young Ukrainian was murdered by a pocket knife.
Cary, C'mon man.
How do school shooters align with "my ideology" exactly?
When you say "your people" are doing the killing, who are you talking about?
Civ, if you truly aren't able to see this, then that really is on you. Now, I'm not saying you are a person that would do something this hideous; however, the alignment of the most recent (10 to 15 years) people, committing these terrorist acts, absolutely align more closely to your ideology than mine.
This is exactly what I'm talking about…
Cary this country has 340 million people. The analysis of anything like this has to go deeper than looking at random social media accounts. Playing tit-for-tat in the cesspool of social media doesn't advance the conversation one iota.
And what you're saying about the political alignment of extremist killers over the last decade or two is clearly and quantitatively false. I'll leave it at that so as not to inflame the situation.
This was a political assassination. Why is that so hard for you to admit? Just own it man.
Why are you creating drama on here where there isn't any?
Were you not on here when you guys came in proclaiming Trump to have been shot by a lefty three seconds after it happened at his rally, and you were completely wrong about that? Think maybe you should let this situation breathe? Is there a downside to that?
Public figures unfortunately attract loons of all stripes. It may well have been cold-blooded and highly political but we won't know till we catch the guy that did it. I'm not going to preemptively hyperventilate about it and go on a State message board pointing fingers at people I've never met.
And I don't "own" actions of anyone other than me and my kids that I'm responsible for, and I don't ask others to do it either. Do you see me on here using inflammatory or unkind speech? Did you see me on here hyperventilating about y'all owning the Minnesota lawmaker and her husband being assassinated by a MAGA loon this summer? What about after the Shapiro firebombing? What about the Whitmer kidnapping plot by the far-right militia extremist group? No, you did not. Try extending the same courtesy.
Are you as affronted about school shootings, including the one yesterday, as you are about Charlie Kirk? What about the gang violence problem that drives up our murder rate
We have a gun problem in this country, and a political violence problem, and a drug problem, and a poverty problem, and a mental health problem, and a rhetoric problem. This isn't news.
The question is, what are we going to do about it? Go on message boards and Twitter and point fingers? That's a colossal waste of time and energy that could be better spent productively elsewhere.
AOC had it right yesterday. Hold our political leaders responsible for their action even moreso than their words. And if they can't do it, elect leaders that can. How are we fixing this? What are we doing about it? Thoughts/prayers?
Mental healthcare. Universal background checks. Red flag protections. Waiting periods. Yes, maybe even assault rifle controls or bans. Mentoring programs. Job creation programs that give people productive opportunities. Not having a President and other leaders that pour gas on the rhetoric fire. By having leaders from both parties that lead by example and condemn full-throatedly political violence whenever and wherever it occurs. Basically, take a page out of the Utah governor's book. That's the speech the President should have made.
What actions would you have our leaders take to quell this long-term?
‘Why Won’t Conservatives Give Up Their Guns?’ Ask The People Shooting At Them https://t.co/acu6cUBwP4 pic.twitter.com/K0ZUfzt03H
— The Babylon Bee (@TheBabylonBee) September 11, 2025
Werewolf said:‘Why Won’t Conservatives Give Up Their Guns?’ Ask The People Shooting At Them https://t.co/acu6cUBwP4 pic.twitter.com/K0ZUfzt03H
— The Babylon Bee (@TheBabylonBee) September 11, 2025
Gulfstream4 said:Werewolf said:‘Why Won’t Conservatives Give Up Their Guns?’ Ask The People Shooting At Them https://t.co/acu6cUBwP4 pic.twitter.com/K0ZUfzt03H
— The Babylon Bee (@TheBabylonBee) September 11, 2025
Yessiree, anyone would be crazy to give up their guns now days.
caryking said:Gulfstream4 said:Werewolf said:‘Why Won’t Conservatives Give Up Their Guns?’ Ask The People Shooting At Them https://t.co/acu6cUBwP4 pic.twitter.com/K0ZUfzt03H
— The Babylon Bee (@TheBabylonBee) September 11, 2025
Yessiree, anyone would be crazy to give up their guns now days.
I am a concealed carry person. I never keep my gun with me. I really don't think this will change. The last thing I ever want to do is feel I have to use my gun. That would be the absolute worst thing that could happen.
Gulfstream4 said:Werewolf said:‘Why Won’t Conservatives Give Up Their Guns?’ Ask The People Shooting At Them https://t.co/acu6cUBwP4 pic.twitter.com/K0ZUfzt03H
— The Babylon Bee (@TheBabylonBee) September 11, 2025
Yessiree, anyone would be crazy to give up their guns now days.
caryking said:Gulfstream4 said:Werewolf said:‘Why Won’t Conservatives Give Up Their Guns?’ Ask The People Shooting At Them https://t.co/acu6cUBwP4 pic.twitter.com/K0ZUfzt03H
— The Babylon Bee (@TheBabylonBee) September 11, 2025
Yessiree, anyone would be crazy to give up their guns now days.
I am a concealed carry person. I never keep my gun with me. I really don't think this will change. The last thing I ever want to do is feel I have to use my gun. That would be the absolute worst thing that could happen.
