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hokiewolf
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hokiewolf said:

Tariffs on foreign produced furniture will be coming soon. Hickory and High Point about to become boom towns with saloons and brothels!

Anxiously waiting on your post about the Canadian tariffs...
tariffs are taxes we pay. They are an inefficient transfer of private money to the Federal Government for them to spend.
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Gulfstream4 said:

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If it's good for America; it's bad for the democrats.

The amazing thing is that there are still people on this board that don't understand that the tariffs have always been about negotiating leverage to get to an even playing field (or position of strength ideally) long-term in the big picture - instead of having to play out of a hole like we've been having to do for what seems like forever now...


They don't really think that far down the road. To them it's just daily outrage to hyperventilate about because something-something Trump. When they get the chain email, they'll be on to next outrage.
For me, no. It's the fact that Trump usurped power that belongs to Congress, on a bogus premise of National Security. The BBB had some really excellent tax incentives and changes to business depreciation that would help with actual investment and hiring in this country. Tariffs have created uncertainty so those businesses have not made full investments. So the positive is negated by the tariffs.

Additionally, in order to have any shot at reducing the deficit, the GDP need to double. Frankly you can't do that without free trade, and that's not Trumps aim. He's looking for trade deficit fairness, which I don't understand why allowing American consumers to have the decision making of how they spend their money instead of it being dictated to them is somehow a sound conservative principle.

I run a trade deficit with Publix. Should I be worried about that? NO! I receive a benefit for that deficit

It's purely economics for me. I don't agree with the policy. Please at least acknowledge that I said something Trump did was great, because you seem to ignore that part so you can "dunk on a 'lib'", which I am not.
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hokiewolf said:

Gulfstream4 said:

TheStorm said:

Gulfstream4 said:

packgrad said:




If it's good for America; it's bad for the democrats.

The amazing thing is that there are still people on this board that don't understand that the tariffs have always been about negotiating leverage to get to an even playing field (or position of strength ideally) long-term in the big picture - instead of having to play out of a hole like we've been having to do for what seems like forever now...


They don't really think that far down the road. To them it's just daily outrage to hyperventilate about because something-something Trump. When they get the chain email, they'll be on to next outrage.
For me, no. It's the fact that Trump usurped power that belongs to Congress, on a bogus premise of National Security. The BBB had some really excellent tax incentives and changes to business depreciation that would help with actual investment and hiring in this country. Tariffs have created uncertainty so those businesses have not made full investments. So the positive is negated by the tariffs.

Additionally, in order to have any shot at reducing the deficit, the GDP need to double. Frankly you can't do that without free trade, and that's not Trumps aim. He's looking for trade deficit fairness, which I don't understand why allowing American consumers to have the decision making of how they spend their money instead of it being dictated to them is somehow a sound conservative principle.

I run a trade deficit with Publix. Should I be worried about that? NO! I receive a benefit for that deficit

It's purely economics for me. I don't agree with the policy. Please at least acknowledge that I said something Trump did was great, because you seem to ignore that part so you can "dunk on a 'lib'", which I am not.


Man, why in the world did you go into construction when you are a financial genius and just who this country needs at this time. You should email the White House with your knowledge.

Anything on Canada backing down? I'm not a financial expert but I'm going to guess more countries do this too?
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Just for clarity - Here are the things I disagree with the Trump administration has done:

1. Tariff policy and all that goes with it
2. Cutting off grant funding in full and not taking an incremental approach, and now making grant awards be done by political appointees rather than having a review of the grant awards to confirm they conform to administrations policy
3. The reaction to really terrible immigration policy of an open border with and equally absurd policy of kicking everyone out, regardless of criminal record (all pedophiles should be put in jail, and those with violent offense should be put in jail or deported, just for clarification that shouldn't be needed). Still not actually providing a long term solution to immigration.
4. The belief that Putin wants to negotiate for peace.
5. Treating allies like enemies.
6. This belief that ship building can happen with the Jones Act still in place
7. DOGE kayfabe
8. Becoming the largest investor in Intel
9. Having RFK jr in the cabinet
10 not doing anything about SS and Medicare

Things that are great:

1. BBB
2. Israel policy
3. Allowing the sale of defensive weapons to Ukraine
4. Allowing the sale of offensive weapons to Ukraine
5. Getting a mineral rights agreement with Ukraine
6. Ending open borders and applying the current law. Do I agree with how they've gone about it? No, but following the law was a good first step
7. Making an attempt to shrink the Federal Govt
8. Hiring Scott Bessent as Treasury Secretary - Trump needs to get out of his way though
9. Marco Rubio as Secretary of State
10. Rooting out DEI initiatives.
11. Changes to Medicaid
12. Potential end of Dept of Education
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GS, I'm not a financial genius, and I don't pretend to be but I know a lot about tariffs because I was forced in the past year to learn about them because it's the number 1 question BY FAR that owners are asking us when we are interviewing for projects or providing pricing estimates.

I researched the policy, I disagree with it, I have an opinion. I'm allowed to do that, no?

Canada - depends on what the final negotiated and signed agreement is. It's fine, but trade wars hurt American pocket books more than they help, IMO.
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hokiewolf said:

GS, I'm not a financial genius, and I don't pretend to be but I know a lot about tariffs because I was forced in the past year to learn about them because it's the number 1 question BY FAR that owners are asking us when we are interviewing for projects or providing pricing estimates.

I researched the policy, I disagree with it, I have an opinion. I'm allowed to do that, no?

Canada - depends on what the final negotiated and signed agreement is. It's fine, but trade wars hurt American pocket books more than they help, IMO.



I think what you're trying to say without really saying is "holy cow, it worked".
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hokiewolf said:

Tariffs on foreign produced furniture will be coming soon. Hickory and High Point about to become boom towns with saloons and brothels!

I would hope you would be happy for High Point (the so-called capital of the world for furniture) would get industry back.

Now the boom towns with saloons and brothels comment is so unnecessary! BTW, I gave that University a ton of my hard earned money graduating one and having another there for a year, before transferring to State. State would love to have the academic success High Point has, right now. I think it's a fantastic University!!
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I was kidding HPU is a wonderful school and a very pretty campus. I highly doubt this is going to bring the furniture industry back High Point. There is other industry that replaced it. There's EAS, they make custom air handlers and they have the largest pre manufacturing plant in the US that makes prefab central utility plants. Better paying jobs, that are being hurt by tariffs on steel, aluminum and copper.

In addition EAS has a services arm where they do HVAC piping and equipment installation. Again high paying service jobs that are harmed by tariffs.
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hokiewolf said:

Gulfstream4 said:

TheStorm said:

Gulfstream4 said:

packgrad said:




If it's good for America; it's bad for the democrats.

The amazing thing is that there are still people on this board that don't understand that the tariffs have always been about negotiating leverage to get to an even playing field (or position of strength ideally) long-term in the big picture - instead of having to play out of a hole like we've been having to do for what seems like forever now...


They don't really think that far down the road. To them it's just daily outrage to hyperventilate about because something-something Trump. When they get the chain email, they'll be on to next outrage.

For me, no. It's the fact that Trump usurped power that belongs to Congress, on a bogus premise of National Security. The BBB had some really excellent tax incentives and changes to business depreciation that would help with actual investment and hiring in this country. Tariffs have created uncertainty so those businesses have not made full investments. So the positive is negated by the tariffs.

Additionally, in order to have any shot at reducing the deficit, the GDP need to double. Frankly you can't do that without free trade, and that's not Trumps aim. He's looking for trade deficit fairness, which I don't understand why allowing American consumers to have the decision making of how they spend their money instead of it being dictated to them is somehow a sound conservative principle.

I run a trade deficit with Publix. Should I be worried about that? NO! I receive a benefit for that deficit

It's purely economics for me. I don't agree with the policy. Please at least acknowledge that I said something Trump did was great, because you seem to ignore that part so you can "dunk on a 'lib'", which I am not.

So not true…

The BBB was good for the things you mentioned; however, getting it passed "required the massive spending" that's gone on for the last 20 years, including Trumps COVID spending, that's never stopped.

We got one bill across the line, for spending reductions, albeit nominal (9B) at best. We now need the Establishment Republicans to get serious about the deficit and start more bills cutting spending. Will they do it? I doubt it!! Hokie, those holding up spending cuts are probably the ones you find to be Conservatives.
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caryking said:

hokiewolf said:

Gulfstream4 said:

TheStorm said:

Gulfstream4 said:

packgrad said:




If it's good for America; it's bad for the democrats.

The amazing thing is that there are still people on this board that don't understand that the tariffs have always been about negotiating leverage to get to an even playing field (or position of strength ideally) long-term in the big picture - instead of having to play out of a hole like we've been having to do for what seems like forever now...


They don't really think that far down the road. To them it's just daily outrage to hyperventilate about because something-something Trump. When they get the chain email, they'll be on to next outrage.

For me, no. It's the fact that Trump usurped power that belongs to Congress, on a bogus premise of National Security. The BBB had some really excellent tax incentives and changes to business depreciation that would help with actual investment and hiring in this country. Tariffs have created uncertainty so those businesses have not made full investments. So the positive is negated by the tariffs.

Additionally, in order to have any shot at reducing the deficit, the GDP need to double. Frankly you can't do that without free trade, and that's not Trumps aim. He's looking for trade deficit fairness, which I don't understand why allowing American consumers to have the decision making of how they spend their money instead of it being dictated to them is somehow a sound conservative principle.

I run a trade deficit with Publix. Should I be worried about that? NO! I receive a benefit for that deficit

It's purely economics for me. I don't agree with the policy. Please at least acknowledge that I said something Trump did was great, because you seem to ignore that part so you can "dunk on a 'lib'", which I am not.

So not true…

The BBB was good for the things you mentioned; however, getting it passed "required the massive spending" that's gone on for the last 20 years, including Trumps COVID spending, that's never stopped.

We got one bill across the line, for spending reductions, albeit nominal (9B) at best. We now need the Establishment Republicans to get serious about the deficit and start more bills cutting spending. Will they do it? I doubt it!! Hokie, those holding up spending cuts are probably the ones you find to be Conservatives.
SS and Medicare are not being touched, we are increasing defense spending. There is not enough other government to cut to make a dent in the deficit. This is where you and I disagree and that is ok.
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hokiewolf said:

I was kidding HPU is a wonderful school and a very pretty campus. I highly doubt this is going to bring the furniture industry back High Point. There is other industry that replaced it. There's EAS, they make custom air handlers and they have the largest pre manufacturing plant in the US that makes prefab central utility plants. Better paying jobs, that are being hurt by tariffs on steel, aluminum and copper.

In addition EAS has a services arm where they do HVAC piping and equipment installation. Again high paying service jobs that are harmed by tariffs.

Well, I'm hoping for textiles to come back to Central NC, along with assembly plants. All of our textiles (atleast most) are still in China. Tariff the heck out of them so corporations will see the benefits of producing in the US.
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I really hope you're right, but I just don't see that happening. The amount of investment to build new infrastructure in my opinion would still make that cost prohibitive. Additionally, I just don't see Americans working those jobs when there are better options now, particularly service industry jobs.

Spend the money from tariffs on community college programs on training people for a trade. Much better use of investment if we're going to go down the road of "getting rich" through tariffs.
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hokiewolf said:

caryking said:

hokiewolf said:

Gulfstream4 said:

TheStorm said:

Gulfstream4 said:

packgrad said:




If it's good for America; it's bad for the democrats.

The amazing thing is that there are still people on this board that don't understand that the tariffs have always been about negotiating leverage to get to an even playing field (or position of strength ideally) long-term in the big picture - instead of having to play out of a hole like we've been having to do for what seems like forever now...


They don't really think that far down the road. To them it's just daily outrage to hyperventilate about because something-something Trump. When they get the chain email, they'll be on to next outrage.

For me, no. It's the fact that Trump usurped power that belongs to Congress, on a bogus premise of National Security. The BBB had some really excellent tax incentives and changes to business depreciation that would help with actual investment and hiring in this country. Tariffs have created uncertainty so those businesses have not made full investments. So the positive is negated by the tariffs.

Additionally, in order to have any shot at reducing the deficit, the GDP need to double. Frankly you can't do that without free trade, and that's not Trumps aim. He's looking for trade deficit fairness, which I don't understand why allowing American consumers to have the decision making of how they spend their money instead of it being dictated to them is somehow a sound conservative principle.

I run a trade deficit with Publix. Should I be worried about that? NO! I receive a benefit for that deficit

It's purely economics for me. I don't agree with the policy. Please at least acknowledge that I said something Trump did was great, because you seem to ignore that part so you can "dunk on a 'lib'", which I am not.

So not true…

The BBB was good for the things you mentioned; however, getting it passed "required the massive spending" that's gone on for the last 20 years, including Trumps COVID spending, that's never stopped.

We got one bill across the line, for spending reductions, albeit nominal (9B) at best. We now need the Establishment Republicans to get serious about the deficit and start more bills cutting spending. Will they do it? I doubt it!! Hokie, those holding up spending cuts are probably the ones you find to be Conservatives.

SS and Medicare are not being touched, we are increasing defense spending. There is not enough other government to cut to make a dent in the deficit. This is where you and I disagree and that is ok.

Actually, I don't think we disagree too much. Defense spending is out of control, we agree on that. You know, spending on Ukraine, bases all over the world, bloated defense departments that we can't scale down because someone will file a lawsuit and get an activist judge to shut it down.

As far as SS and Medicare, it's out of control. We all know that; however, finding a team of people to look for waste, fraud, abuse is met with so much disdain, it's sad!! Once you are able to clean up things structurally, then you start looking at benefits to find common ground on cuts.

That part is going to take time and Political will to get done…
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hokiewolf said:

I really hope you're right, but I just don't see that happening. The amount of investment to build new infrastructure in my opinion would still make that cost prohibitive. Additionally, I just don't see Americans working those jobs when there are better options now, particularly service industry jobs.

Spend the money from tariffs on community college programs on training people for a trade. Much better use of investment if we're going to go down the road of "getting rich" through tariffs.

Hokie, I think that is really where we differ. I see plenty of people willing to work in factory type jobs. On a smaller scale, I have them working in departments that report up to me. These people want to work and all very happy to be included in the work force. I hear it everyday!!

regarding the tariff money, we need it as treasury income to offset deficit spending. It really is one big ball of wax! The whole federal government spending is fungible, meaning, we really don't have sacred money, like the government wants you to believe.

When Trump floated the idea of sharing a portion of the tariff money, with the people, I thought…. No way! That money needs to go into the treasury so they can pay bills!

And… those services jobs… when we finish exports/deporting illegals, those unemployed will have their choice of services jobs. Heck, for that matter, those people will get a natural boost in income, because…. You know a free market concept…. the supply of able employees will be lower and the people will be able to command more and/or the employers will pay more to get the people needed to do the job.

The real people that need to be concerned are IT folk. As AI advances, those jobs will start (they already have) reducing as it will not require as many people to do the job…

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Buddy, there is already not enough tradesmen in construction. It's already here. That's what I'm trying to tell you.
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#WINNING; that's what it's called, #Sieve.

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A Red State politician with a can-do attitude.


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This probably illustrates why 1/2 of America don't know, or understand much of anything, about our US Constitution.........or the writings of our Declaration of Independence.
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#Sieve, you might win one here. Whatcha thinking?
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#Sieve, you and #Nappy must be avid New York Times readers. Why haven't you shared this nugget?
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#Nappy, good news for you...........you can still take has many gene therapy jabs as you can tolerate.
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More #WINNING. #Sieve, is this a win for America?
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SmaptyWolf
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Werewolf said:

#Sieve, you and #Nappy must be avid New York Times readers. Why haven't you shared this nugget?


You're really not gonna like "the left" now that they're finally ready to ditch decades of "when they go low we go high" crap and start playing by your rules.

This new Unitary Executive you guys invented is gonna be fun!
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hokiewolf said:

Buddy, there is already not enough tradesmen in construction. It's already here. That's what I'm trying to tell you.

That, I fully understand. Construction, especially outdoors is tough work. When I was in my 20's and into my 30's, most contractors and their employees were white or black. The Hispanics came in and took the jobs. Was it price related? I don't know! That's what I was told by people I know, in the residential sector.

I blame politician, all over the country, especially Republicans, along with The Chamber of Commerce Lobbyist. You see Hokie, I hear everything you're saying, and in general, I agree with you. Unfortunately, we've gotten so upside with so many structural issues, I see a massive need to correct the ways, of the 20-30 years.

In comes Trump and a person speaking about these issues…. So, he's got my attention. Like I said, free market principles are my beliefs; however, too many people got filthy rich on the back of the un-voiced. Yes, I know that sounds Socialist, Marxist, or whatever; however, right now, it's a righting of the ship, for now.

There is nothing wrong with allowing the free market to work with some protections (isolationism as you call it) within our borders. Hell, not spending money on useless wars is considered isolationism; however, at the same time people complain about defense department budget bloating.
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Werewolf said:

#WINNING; that's what it's called, #Sieve.




All he does is win. No wonder our liberal friends hate him so much. Heck, I would too if I were in their shoes.
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Werewolf said:

#Sieve, you and #Nappy must be avid New York Times readers. Why haven't you shared this nugget?



They have to destroy democracy to save democracy!1
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SmaptyWolf said:

Werewolf said:

#Sieve, you and #Nappy must be avid New York Times readers. Why haven't you shared this nugget?


You're really not gonna like "the left" now that they're finally ready to ditch decades of "when they go low we go high" crap and start playing by your rules.

This new Unitary Executive you guys invented is gonna be fun!


I like my chances against guys like you
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Gulfstream4 said:

Werewolf said:

#WINNING; that's what it's called, #Sieve.




All he does is win. No wonder our liberal friends hate him so much. Heck, I would too if I were their shoes.

I am not tired of winning. What about you?
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DrummerboyWolf said:

Gulfstream4 said:

Werewolf said:

#WINNING; that's what it's called, #Sieve.




All he does is win. No wonder our liberal friends hate him so much. Heck, I would too if I were their shoes.

I am not tired of winning. What about you?



…just getting started
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Werewolf said:



That is big. Spot briefly cleared $39 yesterday and likely will vault above $40 very soon. People are increasingly priced out of gold and platinum has jumped 30-plus percent in just the past month or so. That leaves silver as the remaining affordable hedge against currency depreciation. I've taken a position in a dirt cheap silver miner to leverage silver's rise.
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hokiewolf said:

Buddy, there is already not enough tradesmen in construction. It's already here. That's what I'm trying to tell you.

That I can believe. Last year when I was still teleworking from home most days, I went to the gym on lunch break. On the way home, I stopped for gas and a soda at a local Rosemart. While I was there, a guy walked up to me and asked me if I wanted to join his crew and pour cement. I joked that pouring cement was my lifelong ambition but I wasn't quite ready to give up my science career yet.
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Gulfstream4 said:

Werewolf said:

#WINNING; that's what it's called, #Sieve.


All he does is win. No wonder our liberal friends hate him so much. Heck, I would too if I were in their shoes.

Yes, hundreds of millions of people around the world think Trump is a colossal clown because...he wins too much.

Oh, and because he didn't come up through the political ranks.

You guys sure have your ears to the streets.
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Civilized said:

Gulfstream4 said:

Werewolf said:

#WINNING; that's what it's called, #Sieve.


All he does is win. No wonder our liberal friends hate him so much. Heck, I would too if I were in their shoes.

Yes, hundreds of millions of people around the world think Trump is a colossal clown because...he wins too much.

Oh, and because he didn't come up through the political ranks.

You guys sure have your ears to the streets.

And… hundreds of millions of people thinks he's great! Civ, you don't like Trump, we get it. Your narrative about people thinking he is a colossal clown certainly didn't prohibit the majority in voting for him.

it really does pain you to be in the minority, by vote and electorally..
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i'm expecting a return to the constitutional dollar in the not so distant future. Sayonara Central Bank fiat dollar. You may have noticed a few moves by the Trump admin to block a monopolized central bank digital currency.
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