By the way, will someone please tell our dipsh** president that it's "rare earth". He called them "raw earth" over and over the entire meeting.

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hokiewolf said:

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I just watched the whole 40 minutes and not the last ten or so that seem to be posted everywhere. Zelensky skrewed up and got into an emotional argument and caused the last 10 mins. He had a deal if he'd just shut up. It's unfortunate, no one really looked good, but I can't really blame Trump nor Vance. They made points and stated why they were doing what they were doing, which quite frankly has been missing an explanation (still don't understand the capitulation of calling Zelinski a dictator and Ukraine started the war).

If you have a chance. Watch the whole thing.

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I saw the whole thing also. Zelensky is way too emotional. He wants Putin's head. Hard to blame him but when the whole world knows you need the US for any positive outcome you do not argue with the US about not wanting a cease fire. You take the crease fire. Stupid man.

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100%. Zelensky made a bad move here.

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He never said he didn't want a cease fire. He said (correctly) that without a security guarantee of some sort a cease fire with Putin would never work. Because Putin has already broken about 1000 ceasefires, including many while Trump was President last time.

You're seriously blaming Zelensky for being emotional about Trump spewing Russian propaganda in his face for 40 minutes, and then not flattering him sufficiently? Man, this country is heading to a dark place.

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yes. He had to keep his cool and he didn't.

You are correct it does all boil down to one thing. One person trusts Putin and the other doesn't. Personally, I agree that Putin shouldn't be trusted.

When Europe fails to pick up the slack and Ukraine falls, the Baltic States - Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania are next, and I don't want to get all Werewolf here, but that's what will happen when Ukraine falls. Trump will ignore Article 5 in the NATO agreement and then we will actually have WWIII.

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So easily lead around by the neck, just cut corners, it doesn't have to look legit. You'll fall for anything. Time for another jab, #dumba$$.

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Let's all stop the personal attacks please.

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hokiewolf said:

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hokiewolf said:

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I just watched the whole 40 minutes and not the last ten or so that seem to be posted everywhere. Zelensky skrewed up and got into an emotional argument and caused the last 10 mins. He had a deal if he'd just shut up. It's unfortunate, no one really looked good, but I can't really blame Trump nor Vance. They made points and stated why they were doing what they were doing, which quite frankly has been missing an explanation (still don't understand the capitulation of calling Zelinski a dictator and Ukraine started the war).

If you have a chance. Watch the whole thing.

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I saw the whole thing also. Zelensky is way too emotional. He wants Putin's head. Hard to blame him but when the whole world knows you need the US for any positive outcome you do not argue with the US about not wanting a cease fire. You take the crease fire. Stupid man.

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100%. Zelensky made a bad move here.

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He never said he didn't want a cease fire. He said (correctly) that without a security guarantee of some sort a cease fire with Putin would never work. Because Putin has already broken about 1000 ceasefires, including many while Trump was President last time.

You're seriously blaming Zelensky for being emotional about Trump spewing Russian propaganda in his face for 40 minutes, and then not flattering him sufficiently? Man, this country is heading to a dark place.

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yes. He had to keep his cool and he didn't.

You are correct it does all boil down to one thing. One person trusts Putin and the other doesn't. Personally, I agree that Putin shouldn't be trusted.

When Europe fails to pick up the slack and Ukraine falls, the Balkins are next, and I don't want to get all Werewolf here, but that's what will happen when Ukraine falls. Trump will ignore Article 5 in the NATO agreement and then we will actually have WWIII.

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Ukraine isn't in NATO and Trump wants this to end before we get to WW3.

im positive he does too, but capitulating to Putin and sabre rattling NATO tells me the opposite will happen.

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Werewolf said:

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So easily lead around by the neck, just cut corners, it doesn't have to look legit. You'll fall for anything. Time for another jab, #dumba$$.

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Let's all stop the personal attacks please.

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Yeah, I'd sure like to see that, too.

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SmaptyWolf said:

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hokiewolf said:

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hokiewolf said:

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I just watched the whole 40 minutes and not the last ten or so that seem to be posted everywhere. Zelensky skrewed up and got into an emotional argument and caused the last 10 mins. He had a deal if he'd just shut up. It's unfortunate, no one really looked good, but I can't really blame Trump nor Vance. They made points and stated why they were doing what they were doing, which quite frankly has been missing an explanation (still don't understand the capitulation of calling Zelinski a dictator and Ukraine started the war).

If you have a chance. Watch the whole thing.

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I saw the whole thing also. Zelensky is way too emotional. He wants Putin's head. Hard to blame him but when the whole world knows you need the US for any positive outcome you do not argue with the US about not wanting a cease fire. You take the crease fire. Stupid man.

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100%. Zelensky made a bad move here.

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He never said he didn't want a cease fire. He said (correctly) that without a security guarantee of some sort a cease fire with Putin would never work. Because Putin has already broken about 1000 ceasefires, including many while Trump was President last time.

You're seriously blaming Zelensky for being emotional about Trump spewing Russian propaganda in his face for 40 minutes, and then not flattering him sufficiently? Man, this country is heading to a dark place.

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yes. He had to keep his cool and he didn't.

You are correct it does all boil down to one thing. One person trusts Putin and the other doesn't. Personally, I agree that Putin shouldn't be trusted.

When Europe fails to pick up the slack and Ukraine falls, the Balkins are next, and I don't want to get all Werewolf here, but that's what will happen when Ukraine falls. Trump will ignore Article 5 in the NATO agreement and then we will actually have WWIII.

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Today's meeting certainly accomplished the goal of making it clear to Europe that we've switched sides. Right afterwards they said "Today, it became clear that the free world needs a new leader. It's up to us, Europeans, to take this challenge."

So either Europe will re-militarize and we'll pay the price, or they won't and we'll pay the price. Trump did serious damage to our country today.

https://www.politico.eu/article/volodymyr-zelenskyy-donald-trump-jd-vance-oval-office-white-house-us-ukraine-war-russia/

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hokiewolf said:

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SmaptyWolf said:

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hokiewolf said:

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Cthepack said:

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hokiewolf said:

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I just watched the whole 40 minutes and not the last ten or so that seem to be posted everywhere. Zelensky skrewed up and got into an emotional argument and caused the last 10 mins. He had a deal if he'd just shut up. It's unfortunate, no one really looked good, but I can't really blame Trump nor Vance. They made points and stated why they were doing what they were doing, which quite frankly has been missing an explanation (still don't understand the capitulation of calling Zelinski a dictator and Ukraine started the war).

If you have a chance. Watch the whole thing.

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I saw the whole thing also. Zelensky is way too emotional. He wants Putin's head. Hard to blame him but when the whole world knows you need the US for any positive outcome you do not argue with the US about not wanting a cease fire. You take the crease fire. Stupid man.

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100%. Zelensky made a bad move here.

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He never said he didn't want a cease fire. He said (correctly) that without a security guarantee of some sort a cease fire with Putin would never work. Because Putin has already broken about 1000 ceasefires, including many while Trump was President last time.

You're seriously blaming Zelensky for being emotional about Trump spewing Russian propaganda in his face for 40 minutes, and then not flattering him sufficiently? Man, this country is heading to a dark place.

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yes. He had to keep his cool and he didn't.

You are correct it does all boil down to one thing. One person trusts Putin and the other doesn't. Personally, I agree that Putin shouldn't be trusted.

When Europe fails to pick up the slack and Ukraine falls, the Balkins are next, and I don't want to get all Werewolf here, but that's what will happen when Ukraine falls. Trump will ignore Article 5 in the NATO agreement and then we will actually have WWIII.

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Today's meeting certainly accomplished the goal of making it clear to Europe that we've switched sides. Right afterwards they said "Today, it became clear that the free world needs a new leader. It's up to us, Europeans, to take this challenge."

So either Europe will re-militarize and we'll pay the price, or they won't and we'll pay the price. Trump did serious damage to our country today.

https://www.politico.eu/article/volodymyr-zelenskyy-donald-trump-jd-vance-oval-office-white-house-us-ukraine-war-russia/

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Will be a great opportunity for you and hokie to sign up and defeat Russia with your favorite European leaders. America certainly doesn't support your ilk anymore. Elections have consequences.

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hokiewolf said:

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im positive he does too, but capitulating to Putin and sabre rattling NATO tells me the opposite will happen.

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I honestly just don't see the capitulation…. Trump actually brought up a good point. Putin was blamed for two major issues, in our country. He was blamed for Russia, Russia, Russia and the Biden laptop.

What the hell was our country doing? Too many people gave saber rattled Putin for unnecessary things.

Again, Trump said explicitly that having access to the rare earth stuff, the US has a vested interest in protecting Ukraine.

I swear… some of y'all are just creating the history you want!

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On what planet was that a "good point". It was the most disturbing part of the entire 40 minutes. We have reams of evidence that Russia meddled in our elections, has hacked us relentlessly, etc, etc. Not up for debate.

The only question was whether not Trump "colluded" with them. As Mueller said in his report, he hit a wall of obstruction and gave up, so we'll never know. But man, today Trump sure made it look like they're BFFs.

BTW, much of the rare earths are in Russian-held territory. How was that supposed to work, exactly?

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caryking said:

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hokiewolf said:

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im positive he does too, but capitulating to Putin and sabre rattling NATO tells me the opposite will happen.

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I honestly just don't see the capitulation…. Trump actually brought up a good point. Putin was blamed for two major issues, in our country. He was blamed for Russia, Russia, Russia and the Biden laptop.

What the hell was our country doing? Too many people gave saber rattled Putin for unnecessary things.

Again, Trump said explicitly that having access to the rare earth stuff, the US has a vested interest in protecting Ukraine.

I swear… some of y'all are just creating the history you want!

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I really hate how it seemed to go down today. Zelenskyy screwed up royally for the second time….the first was campaigning in Pennsylvania against Trump. The second was sticking it to Marco Rubio who thought he had a deal in place for both Presidents to sign. So many brave Ukrainians have made the ultimate sacrifice….for this?

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I don't think it's over. Wouldn't be surprised if there's a signed agreement by the end of the weekend. That said, also wouldn't be surprised if Z is removed by the end of the weekend. Haha. Not that soon, but wouldn't be surprised if that ball starts rolling. Putin doesn't want WW3, no matter how much folks like hokie and smapty want to fear monger about it, so he'll let this negotiation play out. I think a ceasefire is near.

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SmaptyWolf said:

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hokiewolf said:

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SmaptyWolf said:

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hokiewolf said:

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Cthepack said:

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hokiewolf said:

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I just watched the whole 40 minutes and not the last ten or so that seem to be posted everywhere. Zelensky skrewed up and got into an emotional argument and caused the last 10 mins. He had a deal if he'd just shut up. It's unfortunate, no one really looked good, but I can't really blame Trump nor Vance. They made points and stated why they were doing what they were doing, which quite frankly has been missing an explanation (still don't understand the capitulation of calling Zelinski a dictator and Ukraine started the war).

If you have a chance. Watch the whole thing.

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I saw the whole thing also. Zelensky is way too emotional. He wants Putin's head. Hard to blame him but when the whole world knows you need the US for any positive outcome you do not argue with the US about not wanting a cease fire. You take the crease fire. Stupid man.

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100%. Zelensky made a bad move here.

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He never said he didn't want a cease fire. He said (correctly) that without a security guarantee of some sort a cease fire with Putin would never work. Because Putin has already broken about 1000 ceasefires, including many while Trump was President last time.

You're seriously blaming Zelensky for being emotional about Trump spewing Russian propaganda in his face for 40 minutes, and then not flattering him sufficiently? Man, this country is heading to a dark place.

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yes. He had to keep his cool and he didn't.

You are correct it does all boil down to one thing. One person trusts Putin and the other doesn't. Personally, I agree that Putin shouldn't be trusted.

When Europe fails to pick up the slack and Ukraine falls, the Balkins are next, and I don't want to get all Werewolf here, but that's what will happen when Ukraine falls. Trump will ignore Article 5 in the NATO agreement and then we will actually have WWIII.

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Today's meeting certainly accomplished the goal of making it clear to Europe that we've switched sides. Right afterwards they said "Today, it became clear that the free world needs a new leader. It's up to us, Europeans, to take this challenge."

So either Europe will re-militarize and we'll pay the price, or they won't and we'll pay the price. Trump did serious damage to our country today.

https://www.politico.eu/article/volodymyr-zelenskyy-donald-trump-jd-vance-oval-office-white-house-us-ukraine-war-russia/

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Europe, Europe, Europe…

They should have stepped up far more previously. It's their landmass, not ours. Trump said as much, today…

I'm happy to hear they are. Perhaps they should work the rare earth minerals for the security they give. And… they will call us for help, because they are weak!

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Europe is only weak because we wanted them weak after WW2. We gave them security guarantees and in exchange we became the center of the economic universe. As a result we've had the most peaceful 80 year stretch in European history.

You geniuses are working overtime to upend all of that.

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caryking said:

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hokiewolf said:

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im positive he does too, but capitulating to Putin and sabre rattling NATO tells me the opposite will happen.

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I honestly just don't see the capitulation…. Trump actually brought up a good point. Putin was blamed for two major issues, in our country. He was blamed for Russia, Russia, Russia and the Biden laptop.

What the hell was our country doing? Too many people gave saber rattled Putin for unnecessary things.

Again, Trump said explicitly that having access to the rare earth stuff, the US has a vested interest in protecting Ukraine.

I swear… some of y'all are just creating the history you want!

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I really hate how it seemed to go down today. Zelenskyy screwed up royally for the second time….the first was campaigning in Pennsylvania against Trump. The second was sticking it to Marco Rubio who thought he had a deal in place for both Presidents to sign. So many brave Ukrainians have made the ultimate sacrifice….for this?

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Im already slightly concerned that Trump will wear down Rubio to the point where he resigns. He has been far and away Trumps best decision so far and I REALLY hope he doesnt push him past the limit.

That being said, from what Ive read today (and still havent seen the full press conference), I dont think his frustrations will be with our side

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Oldsouljer said:

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caryking said:

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hokiewolf said:

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im positive he does too, but capitulating to Putin and sabre rattling NATO tells me the opposite will happen.

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I honestly just don't see the capitulation…. Trump actually brought up a good point. Putin was blamed for two major issues, in our country. He was blamed for Russia, Russia, Russia and the Biden laptop.

What the hell was our country doing? Too many people gave saber rattled Putin for unnecessary things.

Again, Trump said explicitly that having access to the rare earth stuff, the US has a vested interest in protecting Ukraine.

I swear… some of y'all are just creating the history you want!

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I really hate how it seemed to go down today. Zelenskyy screwed up royally for the second time….the first was campaigning in Pennsylvania against Trump. The second was sticking it to Marco Rubio who thought he had a deal in place for both Presidents to sign. So many brave Ukrainians have made the ultimate sacrifice….for this?

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I don't think it's over. Wouldn't be surprised if there's a signed agreement by the end of the weekend. That said, also wouldn't be surprised if Z is removed by the end of the weekend. Haha. Not that soon, but wouldn't be surprised if that ball starts rolling. Putin doesn't want WW3, no matter how much folks like hokie and smapty want to fear monger about it, so he'll let this negotiation play out. I think a ceasefire is near.

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Sure as hell hope so, Ukraine has suffered enough.

lol

I guess they all got the memo. pic.twitter.com/rh0wqtMYkw

— DD Geopolitics (@DD_Geopolitics) February 28, 2025

How is it conspiracy? Trump said it out loud ....it was planned. Let the sheep see what he's dealing with. What do some of you guys need, a diagram? You need it drawn out for ya? The entire Ukraine war has been obvious from the start. it was a scam, a fleecing of America. Not but a handful of you researched the history of that region....you simply parrot what the MSM has programmed you to believe.

Many here are in for a rude awakening about our Govt the last couple of decades. The truth is coming.....drip by drip ....

Pennies in the couch!

Just to recap:

1. Democrats are openly defending waste, fraud and abuse;

2. The funding of terrorism in the Middle East and

3. Defending Ukraine AGAINST the United States of America.

That is what the left is cheering on right now.

And that should be a wake up call to…

— Insurrection Barbie (@DefiyantlyFree) February 28, 2025

Smapty, I can't even try to respond to the BS you are posting!

caryking said:

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Smapty, I can't even try to respond to the BS you are posting!

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Aww, that's too bad. Your thoughtful explanation of an American president repeatedly lamenting that Putin "had to suffer through the Russia hoax" would have been very illuminating.

“I thought we were gonna see the Epstein list…” pic.twitter.com/1QXwBO35rV

— mark normand (@marknorm) March 1, 2025

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This is a good suggestion, especially since Zalensky says he didn't receive all the money…

Time to find out what really happened to the hundreds of billions of dollars sent to Ukraine …

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) February 28, 2025

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here you go
https://www.ukraineoversight.gov/Funding/

https://www.cfr.org/article/how-much-us-aid-going-ukraine

https://www.ifw-kiel.de/topics/war-against-ukraine/ukraine-support-tracker/

A few thoughts on today's developments.

I don't know much about the details of the mineral deal, but I'm not sure I want to see it go through now. While it sounds like it could recoup some money spent on this war it also sounds like it locks the US in a long term financial agreement in Ukraine. Steve Bessant said this is the third time Zelensky hasn't signed the deal in the last few weeks. Bessant flew to Kyiv to get it signed and then Zelensky refused in Munich with Rubio. That's three strikes for me. Screw it.

Unlike me, someone who does seem to know every detail of the mineral deal is Susan Rice. How does she know so much and which world leaders has she been talking to about US foreign policy? Does she need to be arrested and charged under the Logan Act? Heh!

As for this war. It needs to end. Spending 100's of billions more to keep a proxy war going against Russia is not in the best interest of America. I could be wrong but I think the American people are through funding forever wars whether our young men and women are dying or not. If I'm wrong the dems can run on getting a veto proof congress in 2026 and then spend all the money they want to fight this proxy war against Russia and tell Trump to shove it because after today I'd be surprised if Trump ever signs another Ukraine spending package.