SmaptyWolf said:

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caryking said:

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hokiewolf said:

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This is the correct analysis

Vladimir Putin is a vile dictator and thug, who has worked in a concerted effort with China and Iran to undermine and destabilize the United States, Europe, Israel, and the free world. He is not our friend, nor our ally.

While I support the effort to end the war in Ukraine, any…

— Mike Lawler (@lawler4ny) February 19, 2025

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I agree with Lawler!

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I do to, except "worked" shouldn't be past tense. They are "working". Almost every word coming out of packgrad's mouth was written by Russians. Pretend it's not true all you want.

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Packgrad's a Russian agent?

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Lol, I doubt he could pass the IQ test required to be a Russian agent.

No, but our country is flooded with Russian disinformation. Russia even brags about it. About half of the crap Werewolf posts comes from them, and it's even coming out of the mouths of Republican politicians, particularly since Trump came on the scene. The CIA has been talking about this for years, which is why they're all being fired now.

Because of course the CIA are the bad guys. Hmmm, I wonder who put that idea in your head?

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Yeah, sure, the entire Republican Party are "Russian agents". Do you realize how INSANE you sound to normal people?

You are totally brainwashed by the Commie Leftist libtard media. Do you watch Rachel mad cow and MSNBC all day?

How else do people ACTUALLY believe and promote "70 genders" LGBTQ insanity, cutting boys' ding dings off, and drag queen story time.

Wake the eff up. You are brainwashed.

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Pretty sure I said the vast majority of you would never qualify to be Russian agents.

But you don't think it's strange that pretty much every issue these days that might make Russia stronger and/or America weaker you always come down on the wrong side?

Between tariffs and Ukraine, Trump is literally turning Europe into our enemy as we speak. Of course he's also dropping Russian tariffs. Who do you think that helps? Lol, us?

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Oh, so now putting or keeping tariffs in place is beneficial to the United States? Glad we can now agree that tariffs are good for us.

What has made America weak is bankrupting the nation, spending billions to be the world police, which has caused massive inflation and is bringing us close to a financial disaster, with $36 trillion national debt and default on the debt coming.

Trump has not turned Europe to our enemy. Most European nations (and the E.U.) are run by far Left socialists-communists. So, yeah, they were friendly towards the far Left communist Biden Regime. And now they hate Trump because he is opposed to their Leftist, globalist agenda.

The European political Establishment is ALREADY our enemy, as they are hardcore communist globalists, who are enemies of freedom of speech and imprison their own people for resisting their agenda to destroy Europe with mass Islamic and third world immigration.

The people of Europe live under communist tyranny.

Any arguing with these guys always includes their acceptance of the MSM narratives that have been spoon fed to them since birth. It's quite a hurdle to overcome, for us to debate with them and for them to have even one iota of a chance to remove themselves from the illusion so carefully crafted for them in their minds.

#daGobbler, #daSieve and #daNappy are gonna be pissed!!!

So unfair 😂 https://t.co/sHS1ZmdLub

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) February 19, 2025

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Russia definitely started the conflict, our obsession with Ukraine joining NATO sure didn't help but they're the ones that invaded.

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Estonia and Latvia, both on Russia's border, have been NATO countries for 20 years. Finland, by far the longest shares border with Russia, just joined. Why didn't Russia invade them before they joined?

Ukraine had been asking to join NATO for a decade, and NATO wouldn't give them the time of day. There was no "obsession". It only realistically became a consideration after Russia invaded.

So yeah, the "OMG we totally provoked Russia" rationale is nonsense.

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NATO gave certain guarantees to Ukraine, once they rid themselves of nuclear. Those guarantees never fortified and Ukraine was rightfully asking. The world let Ukraine down. The persistence caused an issue, and we have what we have…

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This is the bottom line. Both Russia and the U.S. agreed to Ukraine's security if they gave up their nukes. Like it or not, the US and Britain both have an obligation to Ukraine via the Budapest Memorandum.

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I thought Britain and the EU were the major promoters for security to Ukraine. Also, they brought the US in via the NATO means. Help me with this…

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https://policymemos.hks.harvard.edu/files/policymemos/files/2-23-22_ukraine-the_budapest_memo.pdf?m=1645824948

For the 3 blind mice, a message for you.

One of the very best clips of the day.

Alex Karl, CEO of Palantir, admits his fmr Dem party is killing itself by opposing what 90% of Americans truly WANT - accountability from govt!

Elon is the best man for the job he says, and…

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It's crazy how Dems want to keep Zelenskyy in power where BILLIONS of dollars have gone missing in this unwinnable war. Hes also canceled elections, silenced the press, etc. Millions of men in his country have died in the war as a result of his decisions.

Yet they want to get rid of Eric Adams in NYC because he is willing to work with Trump and ICE for immigration reform and he is following federal law.

Something tells me that their support for Ukraine isn't for the reasons they say it is....

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Commie libtards squeal and clutch their pearls with their knowingly false accusations about Trump being a "dictator" and "fascist". But yet here we have Zelensky cancelling elections so he can stay in power, and being flagrantly tyrannical on freedom of speech/press and religion (banning the Russian Orthodox Church).

Demtards just believe WHATEVER their Marxist libtard overlords tell them to believe. If Rachel Mad Cow says that you must cut your son's ding dong off or you are a "bigot", then they do it.

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Put aside all the Constitutional issues. Russian military forces bombed a crowd of Ukrainians gathered for a funeral. What do you think would happen when Ukrainians gather at polling places for national elections during an ongoing war?https://t.co/Nb98SA0EKt

— Jim Geraghty (@jimgeraghty) February 19, 2025

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Sure. Thats why he didn't have elections. To protect all of the men he's sending off to die. Mmkay.

There are concerns that the Ukrainian president could be voted out of office if the country holds an election. https://t.co/7ZudoHmKZf

— Newsweek (@Newsweek) February 19, 2025

Zelensky cannot claim to represent the will of the people of Ukraine unless he restores freedom of the press and stops canceling elections! https://t.co/bg2SEJgT47

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) February 19, 2025

Tulsi Gabbard: "Here is something that the political establishment and propaganda media don't want you to know."pic.twitter.com/lTYktfYb9K

— Thomas Sowell Quotes (@ThomasSowell) February 19, 2025

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This is a bizarre demonstration of group think because Trump says it. All of a sudden the war is due to Ukraine's democracy. We're all just writing off that Putin has and is running a dictatorship?

Insane man.

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lol. Typical hokie argument completely based on a fallacy. Not insane at all. Typical AW bull*****

"Ukraine democracy" lol.

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packgrad said:

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hokiewolf said:

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This is a bizarre demonstration of group think because Trump says it. All of a sudden the war is due to Ukraine's democracy. We're all just writing off that Putin has and is running a dictatorship?

Insane man.

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lol. Typical hokie argument completely based on a fallacy. Not insane at all. Typical AW bull*****

"Ukraine democracy" lol.

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Zelinski was elected to a 5 year term in 2019. He's been a "dictator" for exactly 6 weeks.

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Might want to work on your math.

Solid argument though. My dictator only canceled elections, confiscated rivals funds, absorbed all media under the state and sent dissenters to the front lines of the war for the past year.

Totally rational reason to not want to end the war because Trump admin is leading negotiations.

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packgrad said:

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hokiewolf said:

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This is a bizarre demonstration of group think because Trump says it. All of a sudden the war is due to Ukraine's democracy. We're all just writing off that Putin has and is running a dictatorship?

Insane man.

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lol. Typical hokie argument completely based on a fallacy. Not insane at all. Typical AW bull*****

"Ukraine democracy" lol.

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Zelinski was elected to a 5 year term in 2019. He's been a "dictator" for exactly 6 weeks.

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Zelensky's term expired on May 20, 2024. My math says it's been 39 weeks.

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Math is more of that "groupthink" hokie finds "insane".

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packgrad said:

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hokiewolf said:

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This is a bizarre demonstration of group think because Trump says it. All of a sudden the war is due to Ukraine's democracy. We're all just writing off that Putin has and is running a dictatorship?

Insane man.

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lol. Typical hokie argument completely based on a fallacy. Not insane at all. Typical AW bull*****

"Ukraine democracy" lol.

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Zelinski was elected to a 5 year term in 2019. He's been a "dictator" for exactly 6 weeks.

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Zelensky's term expired on May 20, 2024. My math says it's been 39 weeks.

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It's called "martial law". W T F do you think martial law is for? The country was invaded, and many cities have been bombed into dust. Most able-bodied men are sitting in trenches somewhere. And you're seriously bawling that they aren't holding a free election?

What's Putin's excuse for staying in power for decades?

Do you morons think about this propaganda for 10 seconds before you breathlessly pass it on?

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It's a shame you don't find the lies and propaganda about Trump, that you often share and celebrate, equally abhorrent. Some would even say they "make America less safe, and advance the interests of our enemies, and that's self defeating to me."

But I know. TRUMP!!' RUSSIA!!'

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what lies and propaganda have I shared and celebrated? Also, I've never believed that Trump and Russia ever colluded in the 2016 election. You'll never find a post of mine anywhere proclaiming that. Does Russia try to interfere in our elections? YES. THEY ARE OUR ENEMY

What does that have to do with you and other celebrating Putin as better person than Zelensky? ZELENSKY!!! DICTATOR!!!

Who exactly are Americas allies? I think that's the question you need to ask yourself because you and a lot of others here seem to have trouble figuring that out.

hokiewolf said:

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It's a shame you don't find the lies and propaganda about Trump, that you often share and celebrate, equally abhorrent. Some would even say they "make America less safe, and advance the interests of our enemies, and that's self defeating to me."

But I know. TRUMP!!' RUSSIA!!'

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what lies and propaganda have I shared and celebrated? Also, I've never believed that Trump and Russia ever colluded in the 2016 election. You'll never find a post of mine anywhere proclaiming that. Does Russia try to interfere in our elections? YES. THEY ARE OUR ENEMY

What does that have to do with you and other celebrating Putin as better person than Zelensky? ZELENSKY!!! DICTATOR!!!

Who exactly are Americas allies? I think that's the question you need to ask yourself because you and a lot of others here seem to have trouble figuring that out.

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You lie constantly. Celebrating Putin as a better person than Zelinsky? Lol. Godalmighty, that's just stupid. But I bet the truth doesn't matter like your bull**** math above because "Putin has been a dictator longer than ZELENSKY!!!

I'm well aware of who America's allies are. I don't need some group think flow chart like you did to tell me.

You think because someone is your ally that you can't negotiate with them. Well, you think Trump can't. I disagree.

hokiewolf said:

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packgrad said:

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hokiewolf said:

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This is a bizarre demonstration of group think because Trump says it. All of a sudden the war is due to Ukraine's democracy. We're all just writing off that Putin has and is running a dictatorship?

Insane man.

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lol. Typical hokie argument completely based on a fallacy. Not insane at all. Typical AW bull*****

"Ukraine democracy" lol.

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Zelinski was elected to a 5 year term in 2019. He's been a "dictator" for exactly 6 weeks.

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As opposed to Trump being a dictator for only four weeks? :B

hokiewolf said:

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packgrad said:

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packgrad said:

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hokiewolf said:

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This is a bizarre demonstration of group think because Trump says it. All of a sudden the war is due to Ukraine's democracy. We're all just writing off that Putin has and is running a dictatorship?

Insane man.

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lol. Typical hokie argument completely based on a fallacy. Not insane at all. Typical AW bull*****

"Ukraine democracy" lol.

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Zelinski was elected to a 5 year term in 2019. He's been a "dictator" for exactly 6 weeks.

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Might want to work on your math.

Solid argument though. My dictator only canceled elections, confiscated rivals funds, absorbed all media under the state and sent dissenters to front lined for the past year.

Totally rational reason to not want to end the war because Trump is negotiating an end.

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you have greatly mistaken my discouragement. I am fine with Trump pushing to end the war, that's what he ran on and he won.

But why do it so dishonestly and by sucking up to Putin, someone who is truly an evil leader. That's where I find it insane. This is going make America less safe, and advance the interests of our enemies, and that's self defeating to me.

The world view is that we no longer care about Ukraine, fine. But to put Putin over as a baby face and make Zelinski look to be the heel here is just straight terrible kayfabe.

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On this we agree. We don't need a Neville Chamberlain and I sincerely hope that's not what Trump is doing behind the negotiation curtain.

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It's a shame you don't find the lies and propaganda about Trump, that you often share and celebrate, equally abhorrent. Some would even say they "make America less safe, and advance the interests of our enemies, and that's self defeating to me."

But I know. TRUMP!!' RUSSIA!!'

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what lies and propaganda have I shared and celebrated? Also, I've never believed that Trump and Russia ever colluded in the 2016 election. You'll never find a post of mine anywhere proclaiming that. Does Russia try to interfere in our elections? YES. THEY ARE OUR ENEMY

What does that have to do with you and other celebrating Putin as better person than Zelensky? ZELENSKY!!! DICTATOR!!!

Who exactly are Americas allies? I think that's the question you need to ask yourself because you and a lot of others here seem to have trouble figuring that out.

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You lie constantly. Celebrating Putin as a better person than Zelinsky? Lol. Godalmighty, that's just stupid. But I bet the truth doesn't matter like your bull**** math above because "Putin has been a dictator longer than ZELENSKY!!!

I'm well aware of who America's allies are. I don't need some group think flow chart like you did to tell me.

You think because someone is your ally that you can't negotiate with them. Well, you think Trump can't. I disagree.

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Negotiating and threatening are tow different things. Mafia bosses also negotiate I suppose.

What am I constantly lying about? Please inform me so I can stop!

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Ok. We've entered the act stupid part of the argument for the great debater. I'm going to enjoy the snow with the family. I hope someone else can give you the attention you need tonight.

You celebrate Putin as a better person lol.

The EU can send troops to help them. Put your #mercenary suit on and join them!!!!

Does anybody expect Ukraine will obtain their borders, prior to Crimea takeover?