caryking said:

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caryking said:

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caryking said:

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hokiewolf said:

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What a disgrace

Trump says Zelenskyy “should have never started” the war with Russia

(Putin started the war by invading Ukraine) pic.twitter.com/54EA21gjbu

— FactPost (@factpostnews) February 18, 2025

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It's what needs to be said…

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it's a lie

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It's the truth

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Cary are you seriously trying to say that Ukraine started this war?

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Who do you think started this war?

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Russia. Invasions usually start a war

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Were they provoked?

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Both were sabre rattling at each other. Russia invaded sovereign territory. By that action, they started the war

caryking said:

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FlossyDFlynt said:

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caryking said:

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Civilized said:

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caryking said:

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hokiewolf said:

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caryking said:

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What a disgrace

Trump says Zelenskyy “should have never started” the war with Russia

(Putin started the war by invading Ukraine) pic.twitter.com/54EA21gjbu

— FactPost (@factpostnews) February 18, 2025

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It's what needs to be said…

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it's a lie

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It's the truth

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Cary are you seriously trying to say that Ukraine started this war?

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Who do you think started this war?

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Russia. Invasions usually start a war

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Were they provoked?

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Yes.

Putin was provoked by having a Western-style democratic sovereign nation bordering Russia.

What's your point?

If you invaded a sovereign nation, you started the war and to suggest otherwise, especially given how Putin was "provoked" is comical.

Russia definitely started the conflict, our obsession with Ukraine joining NATO sure didn't help but they're the ones that invaded.

GuerrillaPack said:

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Zelensky is a gay comedian puppet tyrant who cancelled elections in Ukraine. And we should bankrupt the United States and cause massive inflation by sending this clown hundreds of billions of dollars??

How does funding this war help the American people and bring down the price of eggs?

pic.twitter.com/PMcrOwXejI

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) February 19, 2025

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Biden could have ended it 2-3 years ago, with much more favorable territory for Ukraine. But alas, Dems are pro war now and continued a non winnable war that caused millions of lives. End the war. Stop funding the murders of generations of Ukrainian and Russian men.

Breaking news: Brazil’s former leader Jair Bolsonaro has been formally charged with leading a coup plot intended to keep him in power after losing the 2022 election to President Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva.https://t.co/gA1ZkMlquK pic.twitter.com/Ym3LKH6pqh

— Financial Times (@FT) February 19, 2025

Oh wow, look. Other countries consider trying to steal an election to be a crime, too.

ACTIVIST JUDGES!!

packgrad said:

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GuerrillaPack said:

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Zelensky is a gay comedian puppet tyrant who cancelled elections in Ukraine. And we should bankrupt the United States and cause massive inflation by sending this clown hundreds of billions of dollars??

How does funding this war help the American people and bring down the price of eggs?

pic.twitter.com/PMcrOwXejI

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) February 19, 2025

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Biden could have ended it 2-3 years ago, with much more favorable territory for Ukraine. But alas, Dems are pro war now and continued a non winnable war that caused millions of lives. End the war. Stop funding the murders of generations of Ukrainian and Russian men.

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It's like Putin has one hand up Trump's ass, and the other up yours, mouthing the words for you.

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Breaking news: Brazil’s former leader Jair Bolsonaro has been formally charged with leading a coup plot intended to keep him in power after losing the 2022 election to President Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva.https://t.co/gA1ZkMlquK pic.twitter.com/Ym3LKH6pqh

— Financial Times (@FT) February 19, 2025

Oh wow, look. Other countries consider trying to steal an election to be a crime, too.

ACTIVIST JUDGES!!

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Meanwhile you support Ukraine. lol!!!

This is the correct analysis

Vladimir Putin is a vile dictator and thug, who has worked in a concerted effort with China and Iran to undermine and destabilize the United States, Europe, Israel, and the free world. He is not our friend, nor our ally.

While I support the effort to end the war in Ukraine, any…

— Mike Lawler (@lawler4ny) February 19, 2025

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Russia definitely started the conflict, our obsession with Ukraine joining NATO sure didn't help but they're the ones that invaded.

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Estonia and Latvia, both on Russia's border, have been NATO countries for 20 years. Finland, by far the longest shared border with Russia, just joined. Why didn't Russia invade them before they joined?

Ukraine had been asking to join NATO for a decade, and NATO wouldn't give them the time of day. There was no "obsession". It only realistically became a consideration after Russia invaded.

So yeah, the "OMG we totally provoked Russia" rationale is nonsense.

caryking said:

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This is the correct analysis

Vladimir Putin is a vile dictator and thug, who has worked in a concerted effort with China and Iran to undermine and destabilize the United States, Europe, Israel, and the free world. He is not our friend, nor our ally.

While I support the effort to end the war in Ukraine, any…

— Mike Lawler (@lawler4ny) February 19, 2025

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I agree with Lawler!

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I do to, except "worked" shouldn't be past tense. They are "working". Almost every word coming out of packgrad's mouth was written by Russians. Pretend it's not true all you want.

Since when do Commie Leftist Democrats care about the sovereignty of any nations borders???

When and why are Democrats now the pro war party?

Oh, right…because you are brainwashed by MSNBC and the libtard propaganda media to hate Putin because of the Russian collusion hoax made up by Hillary and the Democrats.

Regardless of whether Putin is a tyrant or not, the United States should not be involved, much less bankrupting our own nation to fund the war.

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Since when do Leftist Democrats care about the sovereignty of any nations borders???

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That's all you really need to say…

caryking said:

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caryking said:

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This is the correct analysis

Vladimir Putin is a vile dictator and thug, who has worked in a concerted effort with China and Iran to undermine and destabilize the United States, Europe, Israel, and the free world. He is not our friend, nor our ally.

While I support the effort to end the war in Ukraine, any…

— Mike Lawler (@lawler4ny) February 19, 2025

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I agree with Lawler!

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I do to, except "worked" shouldn't be past tense. They are "working". Almost every word coming out of packgrad's mouth was written by Russians. Pretend it's not true all you want.

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Packgrad's a Russian agent?

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Lol, I doubt he could pass the IQ test required to be a Russian agent.

No, but our country is flooded with Russian disinformation. Russia even brags about it. About half of the crap Werewolf posts comes from them, and it's even coming out of the mouths of Republican politicians, particularly since Trump came on the scene. The CIA has been talking about this for years, which is why they're all being fired now.

Because of course the CIA are the bad guys. Hmmm, I wonder who put that idea in your head?

caryking said:

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This is the correct analysis

Vladimir Putin is a vile dictator and thug, who has worked in a concerted effort with China and Iran to undermine and destabilize the United States, Europe, Israel, and the free world. He is not our friend, nor our ally.

While I support the effort to end the war in Ukraine, any…

— Mike Lawler (@lawler4ny) February 19, 2025

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I agree with Lawler!

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I do to, except "worked" shouldn't be past tense. They are "working". Almost every word coming out of packgrad's mouth was written by Russians. Pretend it's not true all you want.

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Packgrad's a Russian agent?

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Da! moye prikrytiye raskryto! initsiirovat' protokol evakuatsii aktivov!

caryking said:

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hokiewolf said:

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This is the correct analysis

Vladimir Putin is a vile dictator and thug, who has worked in a concerted effort with China and Iran to undermine and destabilize the United States, Europe, Israel, and the free world. He is not our friend, nor our ally.

While I support the effort to end the war in Ukraine, any…

— Mike Lawler (@lawler4ny) February 19, 2025

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Meh. It's disingenuous to pretend Ukraine will not be at the negotiating table. Once Z gets his ass off his shoulders and stops dictating what the bank (USA) is going to do, he'll be invited in.

He should definitely not be their leader anymore though. This is as much his mess as it is Putin's. As the loser, he needs to pound sand.

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I was watching Rick Grennel being interviewed last night. He said they have met with Ukraine representatives multiple times without Russia, in the room. He said they have been having diplomatic meeting trying to find common ground.

He finds it funny how all the hysteria is being brought up when the Russia meeting happened. Why not the have hysteria when they met with Ukraine privately?

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Because obviously Ukraine is a democratic ally and Russia isn't.

Why are some on the right hellbent on re-litigating the profoundly obvious differences between Ukraine and Russia and both-sidesing an issue when the Western world so dramatically benefits by accurately characterizing Putin as the murderous imperialist oligarch he is?

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packgrad said:

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hokiewolf said:

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This is the correct analysis

Vladimir Putin is a vile dictator and thug, who has worked in a concerted effort with China and Iran to undermine and destabilize the United States, Europe, Israel, and the free world. He is not our friend, nor our ally.

While I support the effort to end the war in Ukraine, any…

— Mike Lawler (@lawler4ny) February 19, 2025

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Meh. It's disingenuous to pretend Ukraine will not be at the negotiating table. Once Z gets his ass off his shoulders and stops dictating what the bank (USA) is going to do, he'll be invited in.

He should definitely not be their leader anymore though. This is as much his mess as it is Putin's. As the loser, he needs to pound sand.

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I was watching Rick Grennel being interviewed last night. He said they have met with Ukraine representatives multiple times without Russia, in the room. He said they have been having diplomatic meeting trying to find common ground.

He finds it funny how all the hysteria is being brought up when the Russia meeting happened. Why not the have hysteria when they met with Ukraine privately?

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Because obviously Ukraine is a democratic ally and Russia isn't.

Why are some on the right hellbent on re-litigating the profoundly obvious differences between Ukraine and Russia and both-sidesing an issue when the Western world so dramatically benefits by accurately characterizing Putin as the murderous imperialist oligarch he is?

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Are you so mentally ill that you can't see that you have to meet with Russia to negotiate with Russia? Such a stupid both sidesing take.

GuerrillaPack said:

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caryking said:

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caryking said:

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hokiewolf said:

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This is the correct analysis

Vladimir Putin is a vile dictator and thug, who has worked in a concerted effort with China and Iran to undermine and destabilize the United States, Europe, Israel, and the free world. He is not our friend, nor our ally.

While I support the effort to end the war in Ukraine, any…

— Mike Lawler (@lawler4ny) February 19, 2025

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I agree with Lawler!

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I do to, except "worked" shouldn't be past tense. They are "working". Almost every word coming out of packgrad's mouth was written by Russians. Pretend it's not true all you want.

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Packgrad's a Russian agent?

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Lol, I doubt he could pass the IQ test required to be a Russian agent.

No, but our country is flooded with Russian disinformation. Russia even brags about it. About half of the crap Werewolf posts comes from them, and it's even coming out of the mouths of Republican politicians, particularly since Trump came on the scene. The CIA has been talking about this for years, which is why they're all being fired now.

Because of course the CIA are the bad guys. Hmmm, I wonder who put that idea in your head?

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Yeah, sure, the entire Republican Party are "Russian agents". Do you realize how INSANE you sound to normal people?

You are totally brainwashed by the Commie Leftist libtard media. Do you watch Rachel mad cow and MSNBC all day?

How else do people ACTUALLY believe and promote "70 genders" LGBTQ insanity, cutting boys' ding dings off, and drag queen story time.

Wake the eff up. You are brainwashed.

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Pretty sure I said the vast majority of you would never qualify to be Russian agents.

But you don't think it's strange that pretty much every issue these days that might make Russia stronger and/or America weaker you always come down on the wrong side?

Between tariffs and Ukraine, Trump is literally turning Europe into our enemy as we speak. Of course he's also dropping Russian tariffs. Who do you think that helps? Lol, us?

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packgrad said:

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hokiewolf said:

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This is the correct analysis

Vladimir Putin is a vile dictator and thug, who has worked in a concerted effort with China and Iran to undermine and destabilize the United States, Europe, Israel, and the free world. He is not our friend, nor our ally.

While I support the effort to end the war in Ukraine, any…

— Mike Lawler (@lawler4ny) February 19, 2025

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Meh. It's disingenuous to pretend Ukraine will not be at the negotiating table. Once Z gets his ass off his shoulders and stops dictating what the bank (USA) is going to do, he'll be invited in.

He should definitely not be their leader anymore though. This is as much his mess as it is Putin's. As the loser, he needs to pound sand.

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I was watching Rick Grennel being interviewed last night. He said they have met with Ukraine representatives multiple times without Russia, in the room. He said they have been having diplomatic meeting trying to find common ground.

He finds it funny how all the hysteria is being brought up when the Russia meeting happened. Why not the have hysteria when they met with Ukraine privately?

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Because obviously Ukraine is a democratic ally and Russia isn't.

Why are some on the right hellbent on re-litigating the profoundly obvious differences between Ukraine and Russia and both-sidesing an issue when the Western world so dramatically benefits by accurately characterizing Putin as the murderous imperialist oligarch he is?

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Are you so mentally ill that you can't see that you have to meet with Russia to negotiate with Russia? Such a stupid both sidesing take.

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Try to keep up.

I was responding to Cary's question:

"Why not the have hysteria when they met with Ukraine privately?"

The answer is obvious; we shouldn't be treating Ukraine and Russia dispassionately like they're the same thing or like Russia didn't invade Ukraine or like Putin isn't a war criminal.

And we definitely shouldn't be calling Zalensky a "dictator" and blaming Ukraine for starting the war like Trump is doing, but here we are.