TRUMP 2024

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jkpackfan said:

Civilized said:

jkpackfan said:

I know many will disagree and that's ok but I still think Haley should be the pick. That ticket would pull enough women and independents to get it done IMO.

That's the pick that optimizes electoral outcomes for the Pub ticket, and like you said, I think it seals the deal unless they're up against an out-of-left field Dem ticket (Harris/Whitmer? Whitmer/Newsome?) that has significant pull with independents and women.

It doesn't have to be a woman for Trump but it does need to be someone with significantly broader appeal than the base he already has in the bag. Unfortunately for the MAGA acolytes, that means someone with more appeal to moderate Pubs and independents and someone that's not a Trump bootlicker.

I'll be shocked if Trump chooses Haley or anyone of her ilk, although Trump acknowledging recently that an ironclad pro-life stance is likely a non-starter for his running mate may be a sign he's listening to good advice around him.

That's where the opportunity still is for Dems. They've already got the never-Trumpers no matter who the D candidate is, but they still have a chance to make a ticket choice that also wins over moderates and independents that are sitting it out or voting 3rd party because they have significant concerns about both candidates.




Disagree on Newsome having that much pull, agreed on Whitmer. I still think Trump/Haley would be awfully hard to beat but he'd never pick her.

It's not about Newsom having 'pull' really; I don't think any of the Dem replacement candidates have a ton of obvious gravity like a young Obama. Not even close. It's more about him being smart, well-spoken, competent, in his political prime, and being someone the Dems could coalesce around.

It wouldn't surprise me for Whitmer to actually lead a ticket with Newsom either; I think the Dems may coalesce around her easier. Newsom has a little more political baggage than she does I think given how visible he is running Cali.

We're in uncharted territory here. Will be fascinating to watch it play out.
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Civilized said:

jkpackfan said:

Civilized said:

jkpackfan said:

I know many will disagree and that's ok but I still think Haley should be the pick. That ticket would pull enough women and independents to get it done IMO.

That's the pick that optimizes electoral outcomes for the Pub ticket, and like you said, I think it seals the deal unless they're up against an out-of-left field Dem ticket (Harris/Whitmer? Whitmer/Newsome?) that has significant pull with independents and women.

It doesn't have to be a woman for Trump but it does need to be someone with significantly broader appeal than the base he already has in the bag. Unfortunately for the MAGA acolytes, that means someone with more appeal to moderate Pubs and independents and someone that's not a Trump bootlicker.

I'll be shocked if Trump chooses Haley or anyone of her ilk, although Trump acknowledging recently that an ironclad pro-life stance is likely a non-starter for his running mate may be a sign he's listening to good advice around him.

That's where the opportunity still is for Dems. They've already got the never-Trumpers no matter who the D candidate is, but they still have a chance to make a ticket choice that also wins over moderates and independents that are sitting it out or voting 3rd party because they have significant concerns about both candidates.




Disagree on Newsome having that much pull, agreed on Whitmer. I still think Trump/Haley would be awfully hard to beat but he'd never pick her.

It's not about Newsom having 'pull' really; I don't think any of the Dem replacement candidates have a ton of obvious gravity like a young Obama. Not even close. It's more about him being smart, well-spoken, competent, in his political prime, and being someone the Dems could coalesce around.

It wouldn't surprise me for Whitmer to actually lead a ticket with Newsom either; I think the Dems may coalesce around her easier. Newsom has a little more political baggage than she does I think given how visible he is running Cali.

We're in uncharted territory here. Will be fascinating to watch it play out.
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It's fascinating to watch Democrats threats to democracy.
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packgrad said:

It's fascinating to watch Democrats threats to democracy.
Trying to over turn the "people's vote".
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packofwolves said:

Extreme abortion rules in North Dakota. I don't see Burgams being the VP pick.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-says-vp-shortlist-doug-burgums-signing-near-total-abortion-ban-an-issue

"Asked on Wednesday about Burgum's potential to serve as his running mate, Trump told Fox News Radio that the North Dakota governor's strong pro-life policies were a problem"
Not in the Constitution = State's Right

If New York and Mass decide to decapitate babies on the delivery table, it's their state's voter's right to make that choice in the voting booth. There is a greater judge that can decide their fate when the day comes.
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https://www.foxnews.com/politics/hungarys-orban-ditches-nato-summit-meet-donald-trump
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ncsupack1 said:

packgrad said:

It's fascinating to watch Democrats threats to democracy.
Trying to over turn the "people's vote".

Is Biden unfit or not?

If he's unfit he needs to step down.

If he's fit to govern for the next four years, what have y'all been complaining about?

You can't have it both ways.
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Civilized said:

ncsupack1 said:

packgrad said:

It's fascinating to watch Democrats threats to democracy.
Trying to over turn the "people's vote".

Is Biden unfit or not?

If he's unfit he needs to step down.

If he's fit to govern for the next four years, what have y'all been complaining about?

You can't have it both ways.


He's been unfit. This didn't happen overnight.
packgrad
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Civilized said:

ncsupack1 said:

packgrad said:

It's fascinating to watch Democrats threats to democracy.
Trying to over turn the "people's vote".

Is Biden unfit or not?

If he's unfit he needs to step down.

If he's fit to govern for the next four years, what have y'all been complaining about?

You can't have it both ways.



lol!!!

He's NOW unfit.

Good boy.

Can't have it both ways lol.
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ncsupack1 said:

Civilized said:

ncsupack1 said:

packgrad said:

It's fascinating to watch Democrats threats to democracy.
Trying to over turn the "people's vote".

Is Biden unfit or not?

If he's unfit he needs to step down.

If he's fit to govern for the next four years, what have y'all been complaining about?

You can't have it both ways.


He's been unfit. This didn't happen overnight.

I've been saying for years on here that I don't think either of the candidates are fit and what our country needs. There are better options than two geriatrics that can't speak well, one of whom is a felon and sex assaulter that tried to overturn an election.

From the outside Biden' health seemed steady state for most of his term though. And with him having pieced together a great staff and an unusually successful term legislatively, his supporters were hopeful (naively) that a mid-late 80's Biden could continue working effectively until and through the end of the next prospective term.

What's different according to a ton of reports is that his acuity has seemingly taken a nosedive recently, to an extent that has shocked people that have spent time around him.
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Civilized said:

ncsupack1 said:

Civilized said:

ncsupack1 said:

packgrad said:

It's fascinating to watch Democrats threats to democracy.
Trying to over turn the "people's vote".

Is Biden unfit or not?

If he's unfit he needs to step down.

If he's fit to govern for the next four years, what have y'all been complaining about?

You can't have it both ways.


He's been unfit. This didn't happen overnight.

I've been saying for years on here that I don't think either of the candidates are fit and what our country needs. There are better options than two geriatrics that can't speak well, one of whom is a felon and sex assaulter that tried to overturn an election.

From the outside Biden' health seemed steady state for most of his term though. And with him having pieced together a great staff and an unusually successful term legislatively, his supporters were hopeful (naively) that a mid-late 80's Biden could continue working effectively until and through the end of the next prospective term.

What's different according to a ton of reports is that his acuity has seemingly taken a nosedive recently, to an extent that has shocked people that have spent time around him.


I'm not buying the nosedive. The only difference now, he isn't being protected and sheltered. The Dems want him out for whatever reason and they are throwing him under the bus. With the help of their friends in the media.
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Gulfstream4
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ncsupack1 said:

Civilized said:

ncsupack1 said:

Civilized said:

ncsupack1 said:

packgrad said:

It's fascinating to watch Democrats threats to democracy.
Trying to over turn the "people's vote".

Is Biden unfit or not?

If he's unfit he needs to step down.

If he's fit to govern for the next four years, what have y'all been complaining about?

You can't have it both ways.


He's been unfit. This didn't happen overnight.

I've been saying for years on here that I don't think either of the candidates are fit and what our country needs. There are better options than two geriatrics that can't speak well, one of whom is a felon and sex assaulter that tried to overturn an election.

From the outside Biden' health seemed steady state for most of his term though. And with him having pieced together a great staff and an unusually successful term legislatively, his supporters were hopeful (naively) that a mid-late 80's Biden could continue working effectively until and through the end of the next prospective term.

What's different according to a ton of reports is that his acuity has seemingly taken a nosedive recently, to an extent that has shocked people that have spent time around him.


I'm not buying the nosedive. The only difference now, he isn't being protected and sheltered. The Dems want him out for whatever reason and they are throwing him under the bus. With the help of their friends in the media.


Agree. This is not a new and developing issue. Anyone paying attention for the last four or five years could see Biden's condition deteriorating.

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Gulfstream4 said:

ncsupack1 said:

Civilized said:

ncsupack1 said:

Civilized said:

ncsupack1 said:

packgrad said:

It's fascinating to watch Democrats threats to democracy.
Trying to over turn the "people's vote".

Is Biden unfit or not?

If he's unfit he needs to step down.

If he's fit to govern for the next four years, what have y'all been complaining about?

You can't have it both ways.


He's been unfit. This didn't happen overnight.

I've been saying for years on here that I don't think either of the candidates are fit and what our country needs. There are better options than two geriatrics that can't speak well, one of whom is a felon and sex assaulter that tried to overturn an election.

From the outside Biden' health seemed steady state for most of his term though. And with him having pieced together a great staff and an unusually successful term legislatively, his supporters were hopeful (naively) that a mid-late 80's Biden could continue working effectively until and through the end of the next prospective term.

What's different according to a ton of reports is that his acuity has seemingly taken a nosedive recently, to an extent that has shocked people that have spent time around him.


I'm not buying the nosedive. The only difference now, he isn't being protected and sheltered. The Dems want him out for whatever reason and they are throwing him under the bus. With the help of their friends in the media.


Agree. This is not a new and developing issue. Anyone paying attention for the last four or five years could see Biden's condition deteriorating.


But he got 81 million votes campaigning from his basement! The media definitely wouldn't have covered for him on that would they? Oh wait...
Being an N. C. State fan builds great character!
Civilized
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ncsupack1 said:

Civilized said:

ncsupack1 said:

Civilized said:

ncsupack1 said:

packgrad said:

It's fascinating to watch Democrats threats to democracy.
Trying to over turn the "people's vote".

Is Biden unfit or not?

If he's unfit he needs to step down.

If he's fit to govern for the next four years, what have y'all been complaining about?

You can't have it both ways.


He's been unfit. This didn't happen overnight.

I've been saying for years on here that I don't think either of the candidates are fit and what our country needs. There are better options than two geriatrics that can't speak well, one of whom is a felon and sex assaulter that tried to overturn an election.

From the outside Biden' health seemed steady state for most of his term though. And with him having pieced together a great staff and an unusually successful term legislatively, his supporters were hopeful (naively) that a mid-late 80's Biden could continue working effectively until and through the end of the next prospective term.

What's different according to a ton of reports is that his acuity has seemingly taken a nosedive recently, to an extent that has shocked people that have spent time around him.


I'm not buying the nosedive. The only difference now, he isn't being protected and sheltered. The Dems want him out for whatever reason and they are throwing him under the bus. With the help of their friends in the media.

He has not seemed like he did at the debate at any point publicly in the last 5 years. Not even close.

His team can handle shelter him all they want, they can't hide what we saw at the debate for years if he's that out of it consistently.
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Civilized said:

ncsupack1 said:

Civilized said:

ncsupack1 said:

Civilized said:

ncsupack1 said:

packgrad said:

It's fascinating to watch Democrats threats to democracy.
Trying to over turn the "people's vote".

Is Biden unfit or not?

If he's unfit he needs to step down.

If he's fit to govern for the next four years, what have y'all been complaining about?

You can't have it both ways.


He's been unfit. This didn't happen overnight.

I've been saying for years on here that I don't think either of the candidates are fit and what our country needs. There are better options than two geriatrics that can't speak well, one of whom is a felon and sex assaulter that tried to overturn an election.

From the outside Biden' health seemed steady state for most of his term though. And with him having pieced together a great staff and an unusually successful term legislatively, his supporters were hopeful (naively) that a mid-late 80's Biden could continue working effectively until and through the end of the next prospective term.

What's different according to a ton of reports is that his acuity has seemingly taken a nosedive recently, to an extent that has shocked people that have spent time around him.


I'm not buying the nosedive. The only difference now, he isn't being protected and sheltered. The Dems want him out for whatever reason and they are throwing him under the bus. With the help of their friends in the media.

He has not seemed like he did at the debate at any point publicly in the last 5 years. Not even close.

His team can handle shelter him all they want, they can't hide what we saw at the debate for years if he's that out of it consistently.


Publicly is the key word. I'll add this, Biden's mis speaks are nothing new, what's new is that the media is covering them now.
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Gulfstream4 said:

ncsupack1 said:

Civilized said:

ncsupack1 said:

Civilized said:

ncsupack1 said:

packgrad said:

It's fascinating to watch Democrats threats to democracy.
Trying to over turn the "people's vote".

Is Biden unfit or not?

If he's unfit he needs to step down.

If he's fit to govern for the next four years, what have y'all been complaining about?

You can't have it both ways.


He's been unfit. This didn't happen overnight.

I've been saying for years on here that I don't think either of the candidates are fit and what our country needs. There are better options than two geriatrics that can't speak well, one of whom is a felon and sex assaulter that tried to overturn an election.

From the outside Biden' health seemed steady state for most of his term though. And with him having pieced together a great staff and an unusually successful term legislatively, his supporters were hopeful (naively) that a mid-late 80's Biden could continue working effectively until and through the end of the next prospective term.

What's different according to a ton of reports is that his acuity has seemingly taken a nosedive recently, to an extent that has shocked people that have spent time around him.


I'm not buying the nosedive. The only difference now, he isn't being protected and sheltered. The Dems want him out for whatever reason and they are throwing him under the bus. With the help of their friends in the media.


Agree. This is not a new and developing issue. Anyone paying attention for the last four or five years could see Biden's condition deteriorating.


Same with Trump, his seeming decline just isn't exacerbated by a speech impediment.

He speaks like an elementary schooler now. Go listen to him talk 20 or 30 years ago. It's shocking how bad he's gotten at forming cogent thoughts and talking.

Read this article, from 2017. It's gotten much worse since. Watch the embedded video from 1987. His talking straight up sucks now by comparison. He just distracts from it with his angry, pugilistic style.

Trump wasn't always so linguistically challenged. What could explain the change?

Quote:

In interviews Trump gave in the 1980s and 1990s (with Tom Brokaw, David Letterman, Oprah Winfrey, Charlie Rose, and others), he spoke articulately, used sophisticated vocabulary, inserted dependent clauses into his sentences without losing his train of thought, and strung together sentences into a polished paragraph, which and this is no mean feat would have scanned just fine in print. This was so even when reporters asked tough questions about, for instance, his divorce, his brush with bankruptcy, and why he doesn't build housing for working-class Americans.

Trump fluently peppered his answers with words and phrases such as "subsided," "inclination," "discredited," "sparring session," and "a certain innate intelligence." He tossed off well-turned sentences such as, "It could have been a contentious route," and, "These are the only casinos in the United States that are so rated." He even offered thoughtful, articulate aphorisms: "If you get into what's missing, you don't appreciate what you have," and, "Adversity is a very funny thing."

Now, Trump's vocabulary is simpler. He repeats himself over and over, and lurches from one subject to an unrelated one, as in this answer during an interview with the Associated Press last month:
"People want the border wall. My base definitely wants the border wall, my base really wants it you've been to many of the rallies. OK, the thing they want more than anything is the wall. My base, which is a big base; I think my base is 45 percent. You know, it's funny. The Democrats, they have a big advantage in the Electoral College. Big, big, big advantage. … The Electoral College is very difficult for a Republican to win, and I will tell you, the people want to see it. They want to see the wall."

For decades, studies have found that deterioration in the fluency, complexity, and vocabulary level of spontaneous speech can indicate slipping brain function due to normal aging or neurodegenerative disease. STAT and the experts therefore considered only unscripted utterances, not planned speeches and statements, since only the former tap the neural networks that offer a window into brain function.

That's not to even speak of his criminality and attempts to overthrow the election.

If you want to hold Biden accountable for his mental decline, hold Trump to the same standard.

At least with Biden, his team has four years of serious, competent governance and legislative successes. His campaign at least had that track record to point to in spite of him not being as fit as he was decades ago.

Trump's last term was characterized by the inability to get legislation passed, installing his family members as senior advisors, and leaving a historically high number of positions in his government unfilled.

What makes you think he'll govern differently the second time around?
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DrummerboyWolf said:

Gulfstream4 said:

ncsupack1 said:

Civilized said:

ncsupack1 said:

Civilized said:

ncsupack1 said:

packgrad said:

It's fascinating to watch Democrats threats to democracy.
Trying to over turn the "people's vote".

Is Biden unfit or not?

If he's unfit he needs to step down.

If he's fit to govern for the next four years, what have y'all been complaining about?

You can't have it both ways.


He's been unfit. This didn't happen overnight.

I've been saying for years on here that I don't think either of the candidates are fit and what our country needs. There are better options than two geriatrics that can't speak well, one of whom is a felon and sex assaulter that tried to overturn an election.

From the outside Biden' health seemed steady state for most of his term though. And with him having pieced together a great staff and an unusually successful term legislatively, his supporters were hopeful (naively) that a mid-late 80's Biden could continue working effectively until and through the end of the next prospective term.

What's different according to a ton of reports is that his acuity has seemingly taken a nosedive recently, to an extent that has shocked people that have spent time around him.


I'm not buying the nosedive. The only difference now, he isn't being protected and sheltered. The Dems want him out for whatever reason and they are throwing him under the bus. With the help of their friends in the media.


Agree. This is not a new and developing issue. Anyone paying attention for the last four or five years could see Biden's condition deteriorating.


But he got 81 million votes campaigning from his basement! The media definitely wouldn't have covered for him on that would they? Oh wait...
Correct, but we want to pretend his gaffes now are a nosedive. Dude was so incompetent he didn't hardly do anything publicly before. The sheep used to claim it was right wing propaganda when videos displayed his gaffes. Now that the election looks lost, we are pretending his mental fitness is a nose dive. The truth is irrelevant to the sheep. All that matters to them is whatever BS narrative they are given.
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Bubububut Trump!!!!


Biden's admin is being run by his wife and crackhead son and Civ wants to cry about Trump.

Lol.
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Civilized said:

Gulfstream4 said:

ncsupack1 said:

Civilized said:

ncsupack1 said:

Civilized said:

ncsupack1 said:

packgrad said:

It's fascinating to watch Democrats threats to democracy.
Trying to over turn the "people's vote".

Is Biden unfit or not?

If he's unfit he needs to step down.

If he's fit to govern for the next four years, what have y'all been complaining about?

You can't have it both ways.


He's been unfit. This didn't happen overnight.

I've been saying for years on here that I don't think either of the candidates are fit and what our country needs. There are better options than two geriatrics that can't speak well, one of whom is a felon and sex assaulter that tried to overturn an election.

From the outside Biden' health seemed steady state for most of his term though. And with him having pieced together a great staff and an unusually successful term legislatively, his supporters were hopeful (naively) that a mid-late 80's Biden could continue working effectively until and through the end of the next prospective term.

What's different according to a ton of reports is that his acuity has seemingly taken a nosedive recently, to an extent that has shocked people that have spent time around him.


I'm not buying the nosedive. The only difference now, he isn't being protected and sheltered. The Dems want him out for whatever reason and they are throwing him under the bus. With the help of their friends in the media.


Agree. This is not a new and developing issue. Anyone paying attention for the last four or five years could see Biden's condition deteriorating.


Same with Trump, his seeming decline just isn't exacerbated by a speech impediment.

He speaks like an elementary schooler now. Go listen to him talk 20 or 30 years ago. It's shocking how bad he's gotten at forming cogent thoughts and talking.

Read this article, from 2017. It's gotten much worse since. Watch the embedded video from 1987. His talking straight up sucks now by comparison. He just distracts from it with his angry, pugilistic style.

Trump wasn't always so linguistically challenged. What could explain the change?

Quote:

In interviews Trump gave in the 1980s and 1990s (with Tom Brokaw, David Letterman, Oprah Winfrey, Charlie Rose, and others), he spoke articulately, used sophisticated vocabulary, inserted dependent clauses into his sentences without losing his train of thought, and strung together sentences into a polished paragraph, which and this is no mean feat would have scanned just fine in print. This was so even when reporters asked tough questions about, for instance, his divorce, his brush with bankruptcy, and why he doesn't build housing for working-class Americans.

Trump fluently peppered his answers with words and phrases such as "subsided," "inclination," "discredited," "sparring session," and "a certain innate intelligence." He tossed off well-turned sentences such as, "It could have been a contentious route," and, "These are the only casinos in the United States that are so rated." He even offered thoughtful, articulate aphorisms: "If you get into what's missing, you don't appreciate what you have," and, "Adversity is a very funny thing."

Now, Trump's vocabulary is simpler. He repeats himself over and over, and lurches from one subject to an unrelated one, as in this answer during an interview with the Associated Press last month:
"People want the border wall. My base definitely wants the border wall, my base really wants it you've been to many of the rallies. OK, the thing they want more than anything is the wall. My base, which is a big base; I think my base is 45 percent. You know, it's funny. The Democrats, they have a big advantage in the Electoral College. Big, big, big advantage. … The Electoral College is very difficult for a Republican to win, and I will tell you, the people want to see it. They want to see the wall."

For decades, studies have found that deterioration in the fluency, complexity, and vocabulary level of spontaneous speech can indicate slipping brain function due to normal aging or neurodegenerative disease. STAT and the experts therefore considered only unscripted utterances, not planned speeches and statements, since only the former tap the neural networks that offer a window into brain function.

That's not to even speak of his criminality and attempts to overthrow the election.

If you want to hold Biden accountable for his mental decline, hold Trump to the same standard.

At least with Biden, his team has four years of serious, competent governance and legislative successes. His campaign at least had that track record to point to in spite of him not being as fit as he was decades ago.

Trump's last term was characterized by the inability to get legislation passed, installing his family members as senior advisors, and leaving a historically high number of positions in his government unfilled.

What makes you think he'll govern differently the second time around?

Baaaaaaaa.
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Civilized said:

ncsupack1 said:

Civilized said:

ncsupack1 said:

Civilized said:

ncsupack1 said:

packgrad said:

It's fascinating to watch Democrats threats to democracy.
Trying to over turn the "people's vote".

Is Biden unfit or not?

If he's unfit he needs to step down.

If he's fit to govern for the next four years, what have y'all been complaining about?

You can't have it both ways.


He's been unfit. This didn't happen overnight.

I've been saying for years on here that I don't think either of the candidates are fit and what our country needs. There are better options than two geriatrics that can't speak well, one of whom is a felon and sex assaulter that tried to overturn an election.

From the outside Biden' health seemed steady state for most of his term though. And with him having pieced together a great staff and an unusually successful term legislatively, his supporters were hopeful (naively) that a mid-late 80's Biden could continue working effectively until and through the end of the next prospective term.

What's different according to a ton of reports is that his acuity has seemingly taken a nosedive recently, to an extent that has shocked people that have spent time around him.


I'm not buying the nosedive. The only difference now, he isn't being protected and sheltered. The Dems want him out for whatever reason and they are throwing him under the bus. With the help of their friends in the media.

He has not seemed like he did at the debate at any point publicly in the last 5 years. Not even close.

His team can handle shelter him all they want, they can't hide what we saw at the debate for years if he's that out of it consistently.


You can't be serious. There's tons of actual footage out there where he was exactly like the debates over the last 4 years. I guess you can't see it if you chose to close your eyes.
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Civilized said:

Gulfstream4 said:

ncsupack1 said:

Civilized said:

ncsupack1 said:

Civilized said:

ncsupack1 said:

packgrad said:

It's fascinating to watch Democrats threats to democracy.
Trying to over turn the "people's vote".

Is Biden unfit or not?

If he's unfit he needs to step down.

If he's fit to govern for the next four years, what have y'all been complaining about?

You can't have it both ways.


He's been unfit. This didn't happen overnight.

I've been saying for years on here that I don't think either of the candidates are fit and what our country needs. There are better options than two geriatrics that can't speak well, one of whom is a felon and sex assaulter that tried to overturn an election.

From the outside Biden' health seemed steady state for most of his term though. And with him having pieced together a great staff and an unusually successful term legislatively, his supporters were hopeful (naively) that a mid-late 80's Biden could continue working effectively until and through the end of the next prospective term.

What's different according to a ton of reports is that his acuity has seemingly taken a nosedive recently, to an extent that has shocked people that have spent time around him.


I'm not buying the nosedive. The only difference now, he isn't being protected and sheltered. The Dems want him out for whatever reason and they are throwing him under the bus. With the help of their friends in the media.


Agree. This is not a new and developing issue. Anyone paying attention for the last four or five years could see Biden's condition deteriorating.


Same with Trump, his seeming decline just isn't exacerbated by a speech impediment.

He speaks like an elementary schooler now. Go listen to him talk 20 or 30 years ago. It's shocking how bad he's gotten at forming cogent thoughts and talking.

Read this article, from 2017. It's gotten much worse since. Watch the embedded video from 1987. His talking straight up sucks now by comparison. He just distracts from it with his angry, pugilistic style.

Trump wasn't always so linguistically challenged. What could explain the change?

Quote:

In interviews Trump gave in the 1980s and 1990s (with Tom Brokaw, David Letterman, Oprah Winfrey, Charlie Rose, and others), he spoke articulately, used sophisticated vocabulary, inserted dependent clauses into his sentences without losing his train of thought, and strung together sentences into a polished paragraph, which and this is no mean feat would have scanned just fine in print. This was so even when reporters asked tough questions about, for instance, his divorce, his brush with bankruptcy, and why he doesn't build housing for working-class Americans.

Trump fluently peppered his answers with words and phrases such as "subsided," "inclination," "discredited," "sparring session," and "a certain innate intelligence." He tossed off well-turned sentences such as, "It could have been a contentious route," and, "These are the only casinos in the United States that are so rated." He even offered thoughtful, articulate aphorisms: "If you get into what's missing, you don't appreciate what you have," and, "Adversity is a very funny thing."

Now, Trump's vocabulary is simpler. He repeats himself over and over, and lurches from one subject to an unrelated one, as in this answer during an interview with the Associated Press last month:
"People want the border wall. My base definitely wants the border wall, my base really wants it you've been to many of the rallies. OK, the thing they want more than anything is the wall. My base, which is a big base; I think my base is 45 percent. You know, it's funny. The Democrats, they have a big advantage in the Electoral College. Big, big, big advantage. … The Electoral College is very difficult for a Republican to win, and I will tell you, the people want to see it. They want to see the wall."

For decades, studies have found that deterioration in the fluency, complexity, and vocabulary level of spontaneous speech can indicate slipping brain function due to normal aging or neurodegenerative disease. STAT and the experts therefore considered only unscripted utterances, not planned speeches and statements, since only the former tap the neural networks that offer a window into brain function.

That's not to even speak of his criminality and attempts to overthrow the election.

If you want to hold Biden accountable for his mental decline, hold Trump to the same standard.

At least with Biden, his team has four years of serious, competent governance and legislative successes. His campaign at least had that track record to point to in spite of him not being as fit as he was decades ago.

Trump's last term was characterized by the inability to get legislation passed, installing his family members as senior advisors, and leaving a historically high number of positions in his government unfilled.

What makes you think he'll govern differently the second time around?



You apparently live in an alternate reality.
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Civilized said:


Blah, blah, blah,......

Trump's last term was characterized by the inability to get legislation passed, installing his family members as senior advisors, and leaving a historically high number of positions in his government unfilled.

What makes you think he'll govern differently the second time around?

I believe that is the goal. Can't decrease the size of government without decreasing the number of employees.
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BigBarryWood said:

Civilized said:

ncsupack1 said:

Civilized said:

ncsupack1 said:

Civilized said:

ncsupack1 said:

packgrad said:

It's fascinating to watch Democrats threats to democracy.
Trying to over turn the "people's vote".

Is Biden unfit or not?

If he's unfit he needs to step down.

If he's fit to govern for the next four years, what have y'all been complaining about?

You can't have it both ways.


He's been unfit. This didn't happen overnight.

I've been saying for years on here that I don't think either of the candidates are fit and what our country needs. There are better options than two geriatrics that can't speak well, one of whom is a felon and sex assaulter that tried to overturn an election.

From the outside Biden' health seemed steady state for most of his term though. And with him having pieced together a great staff and an unusually successful term legislatively, his supporters were hopeful (naively) that a mid-late 80's Biden could continue working effectively until and through the end of the next prospective term.

What's different according to a ton of reports is that his acuity has seemingly taken a nosedive recently, to an extent that has shocked people that have spent time around him.


I'm not buying the nosedive. The only difference now, he isn't being protected and sheltered. The Dems want him out for whatever reason and they are throwing him under the bus. With the help of their friends in the media.

He has not seemed like he did at the debate at any point publicly in the last 5 years. Not even close.

His team can handle shelter him all they want, they can't hide what we saw at the debate for years if he's that out of it consistently.


You can't be serious. There's tons of actual footage out there where he was exactly like the debates over the last 4 years. I guess you can't see it if you chose to close your eyes.


This. Like I said this isn't new.
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El Lobo Loco said:

Civilized said:


Blah, blah, blah,......

Trump's last term was characterized by the inability to get legislation passed, installing his family members as senior advisors, and leaving a historically high number of positions in his government unfilled.

What makes you think he'll govern differently the second time around?

I believe that is the goal. Can't decrease the size of government without decreasing the number of employees.

Yeah, no.

This was not some 3D chess cost-cutting measure. The cost of the 170 unfilled positions in his branch are pissing in the ocean relative to the federal budget.

It was simple incompetence.
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Civilized said:

Gulfstream4 said:

ncsupack1 said:

Civilized said:

ncsupack1 said:

Civilized said:

ncsupack1 said:

packgrad said:

It's fascinating to watch Democrats threats to democracy.
Trying to over turn the "people's vote".

Is Biden unfit or not?

If he's unfit he needs to step down.

If he's fit to govern for the next four years, what have y'all been complaining about?

You can't have it both ways.


He's been unfit. This didn't happen overnight.

I've been saying for years on here that I don't think either of the candidates are fit and what our country needs. There are better options than two geriatrics that can't speak well, one of whom is a felon and sex assaulter that tried to overturn an election.

From the outside Biden' health seemed steady state for most of his term though. And with him having pieced together a great staff and an unusually successful term legislatively, his supporters were hopeful (naively) that a mid-late 80's Biden could continue working effectively until and through the end of the next prospective term.

What's different according to a ton of reports is that his acuity has seemingly taken a nosedive recently, to an extent that has shocked people that have spent time around him.


I'm not buying the nosedive. The only difference now, he isn't being protected and sheltered. The Dems want him out for whatever reason and they are throwing him under the bus. With the help of their friends in the media.


Agree. This is not a new and developing issue. Anyone paying attention for the last four or five years could see Biden's condition deteriorating.


Same with Trump, his seeming decline just isn't exacerbated by a speech impediment.

He speaks like an elementary schooler now. Go listen to him talk 20 or 30 years ago. It's shocking how bad he's gotten at forming cogent thoughts and talking.

Read this article, from 2017. It's gotten much worse since. Watch the embedded video from 1987. His talking straight up sucks now by comparison. He just distracts from it with his angry, pugilistic style.

Trump wasn't always so linguistically challenged. What could explain the change?

Quote:

In interviews Trump gave in the 1980s and 1990s (with Tom Brokaw, David Letterman, Oprah Winfrey, Charlie Rose, and others), he spoke articulately, used sophisticated vocabulary, inserted dependent clauses into his sentences without losing his train of thought, and strung together sentences into a polished paragraph, which and this is no mean feat would have scanned just fine in print. This was so even when reporters asked tough questions about, for instance, his divorce, his brush with bankruptcy, and why he doesn't build housing for working-class Americans.

Trump fluently peppered his answers with words and phrases such as "subsided," "inclination," "discredited," "sparring session," and "a certain innate intelligence." He tossed off well-turned sentences such as, "It could have been a contentious route," and, "These are the only casinos in the United States that are so rated." He even offered thoughtful, articulate aphorisms: "If you get into what's missing, you don't appreciate what you have," and, "Adversity is a very funny thing."

Now, Trump's vocabulary is simpler. He repeats himself over and over, and lurches from one subject to an unrelated one, as in this answer during an interview with the Associated Press last month:
"People want the border wall. My base definitely wants the border wall, my base really wants it you've been to many of the rallies. OK, the thing they want more than anything is the wall. My base, which is a big base; I think my base is 45 percent. You know, it's funny. The Democrats, they have a big advantage in the Electoral College. Big, big, big advantage. … The Electoral College is very difficult for a Republican to win, and I will tell you, the people want to see it. They want to see the wall."

For decades, studies have found that deterioration in the fluency, complexity, and vocabulary level of spontaneous speech can indicate slipping brain function due to normal aging or neurodegenerative disease. STAT and the experts therefore considered only unscripted utterances, not planned speeches and statements, since only the former tap the neural networks that offer a window into brain function.

That's not to even speak of his criminality and attempts to overthrow the election.

If you want to hold Biden accountable for his mental decline, hold Trump to the same standard.

At least with Biden, his team has four years of serious, competent governance and legislative successes. His campaign at least had that track record to point to in spite of him not being as fit as he was decades ago.

Trump's last term was characterized by the inability to get legislation passed, installing his family members as senior advisors, and leaving a historically high number of positions in his government unfilled.

What makes you think he'll govern differently the second time around?



Lol-respectfully, just stop.

Most of your post is CNN talking points and I'm not going down the rabbit hole with you.

Look, Trump is an abrasive NY yankee loud mouth, you ever met one that wasn't? But he's in much better shape to be President than Biden.
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BigBarryWood said:

Civilized said:

Gulfstream4 said:

ncsupack1 said:

Civilized said:

ncsupack1 said:

Civilized said:

ncsupack1 said:

packgrad said:

It's fascinating to watch Democrats threats to democracy.
Trying to over turn the "people's vote".

Is Biden unfit or not?

If he's unfit he needs to step down.

If he's fit to govern for the next four years, what have y'all been complaining about?

You can't have it both ways.


He's been unfit. This didn't happen overnight.

I've been saying for years on here that I don't think either of the candidates are fit and what our country needs. There are better options than two geriatrics that can't speak well, one of whom is a felon and sex assaulter that tried to overturn an election.

From the outside Biden' health seemed steady state for most of his term though. And with him having pieced together a great staff and an unusually successful term legislatively, his supporters were hopeful (naively) that a mid-late 80's Biden could continue working effectively until and through the end of the next prospective term.

What's different according to a ton of reports is that his acuity has seemingly taken a nosedive recently, to an extent that has shocked people that have spent time around him.


I'm not buying the nosedive. The only difference now, he isn't being protected and sheltered. The Dems want him out for whatever reason and they are throwing him under the bus. With the help of their friends in the media.


Agree. This is not a new and developing issue. Anyone paying attention for the last four or five years could see Biden's condition deteriorating.


Same with Trump, his seeming decline just isn't exacerbated by a speech impediment.

He speaks like an elementary schooler now. Go listen to him talk 20 or 30 years ago. It's shocking how bad he's gotten at forming cogent thoughts and talking.

Read this article, from 2017. It's gotten much worse since. Watch the embedded video from 1987. His talking straight up sucks now by comparison. He just distracts from it with his angry, pugilistic style.

Trump wasn't always so linguistically challenged. What could explain the change?

Quote:

In interviews Trump gave in the 1980s and 1990s (with Tom Brokaw, David Letterman, Oprah Winfrey, Charlie Rose, and others), he spoke articulately, used sophisticated vocabulary, inserted dependent clauses into his sentences without losing his train of thought, and strung together sentences into a polished paragraph, which and this is no mean feat would have scanned just fine in print. This was so even when reporters asked tough questions about, for instance, his divorce, his brush with bankruptcy, and why he doesn't build housing for working-class Americans.

Trump fluently peppered his answers with words and phrases such as "subsided," "inclination," "discredited," "sparring session," and "a certain innate intelligence." He tossed off well-turned sentences such as, "It could have been a contentious route," and, "These are the only casinos in the United States that are so rated." He even offered thoughtful, articulate aphorisms: "If you get into what's missing, you don't appreciate what you have," and, "Adversity is a very funny thing."

Now, Trump's vocabulary is simpler. He repeats himself over and over, and lurches from one subject to an unrelated one, as in this answer during an interview with the Associated Press last month:
"People want the border wall. My base definitely wants the border wall, my base really wants it you've been to many of the rallies. OK, the thing they want more than anything is the wall. My base, which is a big base; I think my base is 45 percent. You know, it's funny. The Democrats, they have a big advantage in the Electoral College. Big, big, big advantage. … The Electoral College is very difficult for a Republican to win, and I will tell you, the people want to see it. They want to see the wall."

For decades, studies have found that deterioration in the fluency, complexity, and vocabulary level of spontaneous speech can indicate slipping brain function due to normal aging or neurodegenerative disease. STAT and the experts therefore considered only unscripted utterances, not planned speeches and statements, since only the former tap the neural networks that offer a window into brain function.

That's not to even speak of his criminality and attempts to overthrow the election.

If you want to hold Biden accountable for his mental decline, hold Trump to the same standard.

At least with Biden, his team has four years of serious, competent governance and legislative successes. His campaign at least had that track record to point to in spite of him not being as fit as he was decades ago.

Trump's last term was characterized by the inability to get legislation passed, installing his family members as senior advisors, and leaving a historically high number of positions in his government unfilled.

What makes you think he'll govern differently the second time around?


You apparently live in an alternate reality.

Trump didn't try to overthrow the election?

Trump hasn't clearly declined mentally?

His speech doesn't suck?

Biden hasn't had more legislative success than Trump?

Trump didn't leave a historic number of positions unfilled?

These aren't groundbreaking statements. They're obviously true. What exactly are you objecting to?
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Gulfstream4 said:

Civilized said:

Gulfstream4 said:

ncsupack1 said:

Civilized said:

ncsupack1 said:

Civilized said:

ncsupack1 said:

packgrad said:

It's fascinating to watch Democrats threats to democracy.
Trying to over turn the "people's vote".

Is Biden unfit or not?

If he's unfit he needs to step down.

If he's fit to govern for the next four years, what have y'all been complaining about?

You can't have it both ways.


He's been unfit. This didn't happen overnight.

I've been saying for years on here that I don't think either of the candidates are fit and what our country needs. There are better options than two geriatrics that can't speak well, one of whom is a felon and sex assaulter that tried to overturn an election.

From the outside Biden' health seemed steady state for most of his term though. And with him having pieced together a great staff and an unusually successful term legislatively, his supporters were hopeful (naively) that a mid-late 80's Biden could continue working effectively until and through the end of the next prospective term.

What's different according to a ton of reports is that his acuity has seemingly taken a nosedive recently, to an extent that has shocked people that have spent time around him.


I'm not buying the nosedive. The only difference now, he isn't being protected and sheltered. The Dems want him out for whatever reason and they are throwing him under the bus. With the help of their friends in the media.


Agree. This is not a new and developing issue. Anyone paying attention for the last four or five years could see Biden's condition deteriorating.


Same with Trump, his seeming decline just isn't exacerbated by a speech impediment.

He speaks like an elementary schooler now. Go listen to him talk 20 or 30 years ago. It's shocking how bad he's gotten at forming cogent thoughts and talking.

Read this article, from 2017. It's gotten much worse since. Watch the embedded video from 1987. His talking straight up sucks now by comparison. He just distracts from it with his angry, pugilistic style.

Trump wasn't always so linguistically challenged. What could explain the change?

Quote:

In interviews Trump gave in the 1980s and 1990s (with Tom Brokaw, David Letterman, Oprah Winfrey, Charlie Rose, and others), he spoke articulately, used sophisticated vocabulary, inserted dependent clauses into his sentences without losing his train of thought, and strung together sentences into a polished paragraph, which and this is no mean feat would have scanned just fine in print. This was so even when reporters asked tough questions about, for instance, his divorce, his brush with bankruptcy, and why he doesn't build housing for working-class Americans.

Trump fluently peppered his answers with words and phrases such as "subsided," "inclination," "discredited," "sparring session," and "a certain innate intelligence." He tossed off well-turned sentences such as, "It could have been a contentious route," and, "These are the only casinos in the United States that are so rated." He even offered thoughtful, articulate aphorisms: "If you get into what's missing, you don't appreciate what you have," and, "Adversity is a very funny thing."

Now, Trump's vocabulary is simpler. He repeats himself over and over, and lurches from one subject to an unrelated one, as in this answer during an interview with the Associated Press last month:
"People want the border wall. My base definitely wants the border wall, my base really wants it you've been to many of the rallies. OK, the thing they want more than anything is the wall. My base, which is a big base; I think my base is 45 percent. You know, it's funny. The Democrats, they have a big advantage in the Electoral College. Big, big, big advantage. … The Electoral College is very difficult for a Republican to win, and I will tell you, the people want to see it. They want to see the wall."

For decades, studies have found that deterioration in the fluency, complexity, and vocabulary level of spontaneous speech can indicate slipping brain function due to normal aging or neurodegenerative disease. STAT and the experts therefore considered only unscripted utterances, not planned speeches and statements, since only the former tap the neural networks that offer a window into brain function.

That's not to even speak of his criminality and attempts to overthrow the election.

If you want to hold Biden accountable for his mental decline, hold Trump to the same standard.

At least with Biden, his team has four years of serious, competent governance and legislative successes. His campaign at least had that track record to point to in spite of him not being as fit as he was decades ago.

Trump's last term was characterized by the inability to get legislation passed, installing his family members as senior advisors, and leaving a historically high number of positions in his government unfilled.

What makes you think he'll govern differently the second time around?



Lol-respectfully, just stop.

Most of your post is CNN talking points and I'm not going down the rabbit hole with you.

Look, Trump is an abrasive NY yankee loud mouth, you ever met one that wasn't? But he's in much better shape to be President than Biden.

Sorry facts that penetrate your Trump bubble offend you.

According to y'all Biden is a vegetable so Trump could be "in better shape" than Biden and not be worth a damn.

Neither of these guys should be anywhere near the White House for the next four years.
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Sometimes it's just best to stop. It's been a bad few weeks for Biden, all the but Trump stuff is a bad look.
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Civilized said:

Gulfstream4 said:

Civilized said:

Gulfstream4 said:

ncsupack1 said:

Civilized said:

ncsupack1 said:

Civilized said:

ncsupack1 said:

packgrad said:

It's fascinating to watch Democrats threats to democracy.
Trying to over turn the "people's vote".

Is Biden unfit or not?

If he's unfit he needs to step down.

If he's fit to govern for the next four years, what have y'all been complaining about?

You can't have it both ways.


He's been unfit. This didn't happen overnight.

I've been saying for years on here that I don't think either of the candidates are fit and what our country needs. There are better options than two geriatrics that can't speak well, one of whom is a felon and sex assaulter that tried to overturn an election.

From the outside Biden' health seemed steady state for most of his term though. And with him having pieced together a great staff and an unusually successful term legislatively, his supporters were hopeful (naively) that a mid-late 80's Biden could continue working effectively until and through the end of the next prospective term.

What's different according to a ton of reports is that his acuity has seemingly taken a nosedive recently, to an extent that has shocked people that have spent time around him.


I'm not buying the nosedive. The only difference now, he isn't being protected and sheltered. The Dems want him out for whatever reason and they are throwing him under the bus. With the help of their friends in the media.


Agree. This is not a new and developing issue. Anyone paying attention for the last four or five years could see Biden's condition deteriorating.


Same with Trump, his seeming decline just isn't exacerbated by a speech impediment.

He speaks like an elementary schooler now. Go listen to him talk 20 or 30 years ago. It's shocking how bad he's gotten at forming cogent thoughts and talking.

Read this article, from 2017. It's gotten much worse since. Watch the embedded video from 1987. His talking straight up sucks now by comparison. He just distracts from it with his angry, pugilistic style.

Trump wasn't always so linguistically challenged. What could explain the change?

Quote:

In interviews Trump gave in the 1980s and 1990s (with Tom Brokaw, David Letterman, Oprah Winfrey, Charlie Rose, and others), he spoke articulately, used sophisticated vocabulary, inserted dependent clauses into his sentences without losing his train of thought, and strung together sentences into a polished paragraph, which and this is no mean feat would have scanned just fine in print. This was so even when reporters asked tough questions about, for instance, his divorce, his brush with bankruptcy, and why he doesn't build housing for working-class Americans.

Trump fluently peppered his answers with words and phrases such as "subsided," "inclination," "discredited," "sparring session," and "a certain innate intelligence." He tossed off well-turned sentences such as, "It could have been a contentious route," and, "These are the only casinos in the United States that are so rated." He even offered thoughtful, articulate aphorisms: "If you get into what's missing, you don't appreciate what you have," and, "Adversity is a very funny thing."

Now, Trump's vocabulary is simpler. He repeats himself over and over, and lurches from one subject to an unrelated one, as in this answer during an interview with the Associated Press last month:
"People want the border wall. My base definitely wants the border wall, my base really wants it you've been to many of the rallies. OK, the thing they want more than anything is the wall. My base, which is a big base; I think my base is 45 percent. You know, it's funny. The Democrats, they have a big advantage in the Electoral College. Big, big, big advantage. … The Electoral College is very difficult for a Republican to win, and I will tell you, the people want to see it. They want to see the wall."

For decades, studies have found that deterioration in the fluency, complexity, and vocabulary level of spontaneous speech can indicate slipping brain function due to normal aging or neurodegenerative disease. STAT and the experts therefore considered only unscripted utterances, not planned speeches and statements, since only the former tap the neural networks that offer a window into brain function.

That's not to even speak of his criminality and attempts to overthrow the election.

If you want to hold Biden accountable for his mental decline, hold Trump to the same standard.

At least with Biden, his team has four years of serious, competent governance and legislative successes. His campaign at least had that track record to point to in spite of him not being as fit as he was decades ago.

Trump's last term was characterized by the inability to get legislation passed, installing his family members as senior advisors, and leaving a historically high number of positions in his government unfilled.

What makes you think he'll govern differently the second time around?



Lol-respectfully, just stop.

Most of your post is CNN talking points and I'm not going down the rabbit hole with you.

Look, Trump is an abrasive NY yankee loud mouth, you ever met one that wasn't? But he's in much better shape to be President than Biden.

Sorry facts that penetrate your Trump bubble offend you.

According to y'all Biden is a vegetable so Trump could be "in better shape" than Biden and not be worth a damn.

Neither of these guys should be anywhere near the White House for the next four years.
You will 100% vote for Biden again, so please dispense with this newest faux stance of yours...
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TheStorm said:

Civilized said:

Gulfstream4 said:

Civilized said:

Gulfstream4 said:

ncsupack1 said:

Civilized said:

ncsupack1 said:

Civilized said:

ncsupack1 said:

packgrad said:

It's fascinating to watch Democrats threats to democracy.
Trying to over turn the "people's vote".

Is Biden unfit or not?

If he's unfit he needs to step down.

If he's fit to govern for the next four years, what have y'all been complaining about?

You can't have it both ways.


He's been unfit. This didn't happen overnight.

I've been saying for years on here that I don't think either of the candidates are fit and what our country needs. There are better options than two geriatrics that can't speak well, one of whom is a felon and sex assaulter that tried to overturn an election.

From the outside Biden' health seemed steady state for most of his term though. And with him having pieced together a great staff and an unusually successful term legislatively, his supporters were hopeful (naively) that a mid-late 80's Biden could continue working effectively until and through the end of the next prospective term.

What's different according to a ton of reports is that his acuity has seemingly taken a nosedive recently, to an extent that has shocked people that have spent time around him.


I'm not buying the nosedive. The only difference now, he isn't being protected and sheltered. The Dems want him out for whatever reason and they are throwing him under the bus. With the help of their friends in the media.


Agree. This is not a new and developing issue. Anyone paying attention for the last four or five years could see Biden's condition deteriorating.


Same with Trump, his seeming decline just isn't exacerbated by a speech impediment.

He speaks like an elementary schooler now. Go listen to him talk 20 or 30 years ago. It's shocking how bad he's gotten at forming cogent thoughts and talking.

Read this article, from 2017. It's gotten much worse since. Watch the embedded video from 1987. His talking straight up sucks now by comparison. He just distracts from it with his angry, pugilistic style.

Trump wasn't always so linguistically challenged. What could explain the change?

Quote:

In interviews Trump gave in the 1980s and 1990s (with Tom Brokaw, David Letterman, Oprah Winfrey, Charlie Rose, and others), he spoke articulately, used sophisticated vocabulary, inserted dependent clauses into his sentences without losing his train of thought, and strung together sentences into a polished paragraph, which and this is no mean feat would have scanned just fine in print. This was so even when reporters asked tough questions about, for instance, his divorce, his brush with bankruptcy, and why he doesn't build housing for working-class Americans.

Trump fluently peppered his answers with words and phrases such as "subsided," "inclination," "discredited," "sparring session," and "a certain innate intelligence." He tossed off well-turned sentences such as, "It could have been a contentious route," and, "These are the only casinos in the United States that are so rated." He even offered thoughtful, articulate aphorisms: "If you get into what's missing, you don't appreciate what you have," and, "Adversity is a very funny thing."

Now, Trump's vocabulary is simpler. He repeats himself over and over, and lurches from one subject to an unrelated one, as in this answer during an interview with the Associated Press last month:
"People want the border wall. My base definitely wants the border wall, my base really wants it you've been to many of the rallies. OK, the thing they want more than anything is the wall. My base, which is a big base; I think my base is 45 percent. You know, it's funny. The Democrats, they have a big advantage in the Electoral College. Big, big, big advantage. … The Electoral College is very difficult for a Republican to win, and I will tell you, the people want to see it. They want to see the wall."

For decades, studies have found that deterioration in the fluency, complexity, and vocabulary level of spontaneous speech can indicate slipping brain function due to normal aging or neurodegenerative disease. STAT and the experts therefore considered only unscripted utterances, not planned speeches and statements, since only the former tap the neural networks that offer a window into brain function.

That's not to even speak of his criminality and attempts to overthrow the election.

If you want to hold Biden accountable for his mental decline, hold Trump to the same standard.

At least with Biden, his team has four years of serious, competent governance and legislative successes. His campaign at least had that track record to point to in spite of him not being as fit as he was decades ago.

Trump's last term was characterized by the inability to get legislation passed, installing his family members as senior advisors, and leaving a historically high number of positions in his government unfilled.

What makes you think he'll govern differently the second time around?



Lol-respectfully, just stop.

Most of your post is CNN talking points and I'm not going down the rabbit hole with you.

Look, Trump is an abrasive NY yankee loud mouth, you ever met one that wasn't? But he's in much better shape to be President than Biden.

Sorry facts that penetrate your Trump bubble offend you.

According to y'all Biden is a vegetable so Trump could be "in better shape" than Biden and not be worth a damn.

Neither of these guys should be anywhere near the White House for the next four years.
You will 100% vote for Biden again, so please dispense with this newest faux stance of yours...
Exactly. He's fine with unelected bureaucrats running the country. These like minded folks are the true threats to democracy.
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Civilized said:

Gulfstream4 said:

Civilized said:

Gulfstream4 said:

ncsupack1 said:

Civilized said:

ncsupack1 said:

Civilized said:

ncsupack1 said:

packgrad said:

It's fascinating to watch Democrats threats to democracy.
Trying to over turn the "people's vote".

Is Biden unfit or not?

If he's unfit he needs to step down.

If he's fit to govern for the next four years, what have y'all been complaining about?

You can't have it both ways.


He's been unfit. This didn't happen overnight.

I've been saying for years on here that I don't think either of the candidates are fit and what our country needs. There are better options than two geriatrics that can't speak well, one of whom is a felon and sex assaulter that tried to overturn an election.

From the outside Biden' health seemed steady state for most of his term though. And with him having pieced together a great staff and an unusually successful term legislatively, his supporters were hopeful (naively) that a mid-late 80's Biden could continue working effectively until and through the end of the next prospective term.

What's different according to a ton of reports is that his acuity has seemingly taken a nosedive recently, to an extent that has shocked people that have spent time around him.


I'm not buying the nosedive. The only difference now, he isn't being protected and sheltered. The Dems want him out for whatever reason and they are throwing him under the bus. With the help of their friends in the media.


Agree. This is not a new and developing issue. Anyone paying attention for the last four or five years could see Biden's condition deteriorating.


Same with Trump, his seeming decline just isn't exacerbated by a speech impediment.

He speaks like an elementary schooler now. Go listen to him talk 20 or 30 years ago. It's shocking how bad he's gotten at forming cogent thoughts and talking.

Read this article, from 2017. It's gotten much worse since. Watch the embedded video from 1987. His talking straight up sucks now by comparison. He just distracts from it with his angry, pugilistic style.

Trump wasn't always so linguistically challenged. What could explain the change?

Quote:

In interviews Trump gave in the 1980s and 1990s (with Tom Brokaw, David Letterman, Oprah Winfrey, Charlie Rose, and others), he spoke articulately, used sophisticated vocabulary, inserted dependent clauses into his sentences without losing his train of thought, and strung together sentences into a polished paragraph, which and this is no mean feat would have scanned just fine in print. This was so even when reporters asked tough questions about, for instance, his divorce, his brush with bankruptcy, and why he doesn't build housing for working-class Americans.

Trump fluently peppered his answers with words and phrases such as "subsided," "inclination," "discredited," "sparring session," and "a certain innate intelligence." He tossed off well-turned sentences such as, "It could have been a contentious route," and, "These are the only casinos in the United States that are so rated." He even offered thoughtful, articulate aphorisms: "If you get into what's missing, you don't appreciate what you have," and, "Adversity is a very funny thing."

Now, Trump's vocabulary is simpler. He repeats himself over and over, and lurches from one subject to an unrelated one, as in this answer during an interview with the Associated Press last month:
"People want the border wall. My base definitely wants the border wall, my base really wants it you've been to many of the rallies. OK, the thing they want more than anything is the wall. My base, which is a big base; I think my base is 45 percent. You know, it's funny. The Democrats, they have a big advantage in the Electoral College. Big, big, big advantage. … The Electoral College is very difficult for a Republican to win, and I will tell you, the people want to see it. They want to see the wall."

For decades, studies have found that deterioration in the fluency, complexity, and vocabulary level of spontaneous speech can indicate slipping brain function due to normal aging or neurodegenerative disease. STAT and the experts therefore considered only unscripted utterances, not planned speeches and statements, since only the former tap the neural networks that offer a window into brain function.

That's not to even speak of his criminality and attempts to overthrow the election.

If you want to hold Biden accountable for his mental decline, hold Trump to the same standard.

At least with Biden, his team has four years of serious, competent governance and legislative successes. His campaign at least had that track record to point to in spite of him not being as fit as he was decades ago.

Trump's last term was characterized by the inability to get legislation passed, installing his family members as senior advisors, and leaving a historically high number of positions in his government unfilled.

What makes you think he'll govern differently the second time around?



Lol-respectfully, just stop.

Most of your post is CNN talking points and I'm not going down the rabbit hole with you.

Look, Trump is an abrasive NY yankee loud mouth, you ever met one that wasn't? But he's in much better shape to be President than Biden.

Sorry facts that penetrate your Trump bubble offend you.

According to y'all Biden is a vegetable so Trump could be "in better shape" than Biden and not be worth a damn.

Neither of these guys should be anywhere near the White House for the next four years.


Respectfully, you are not having a good day my friend.
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El Lobo Loco said:

Civilized said:


Blah, blah, blah,......

Trump's last term was characterized by the inability to get legislation passed, installing his family members as senior advisors, and leaving a historically high number of positions in his government unfilled.

What makes you think he'll govern differently the second time around?

I believe that is the goal. Can't decrease the size of government without decreasing the number of employees.
Amen, let's start governing like a REPUBLIC.
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TheStorm said:

Civilized said:

Gulfstream4 said:

Civilized said:

Gulfstream4 said:

ncsupack1 said:

Civilized said:

ncsupack1 said:

Civilized said:

ncsupack1 said:

packgrad said:

It's fascinating to watch Democrats threats to democracy.
Trying to over turn the "people's vote".

Is Biden unfit or not?

If he's unfit he needs to step down.

If he's fit to govern for the next four years, what have y'all been complaining about?

You can't have it both ways.


He's been unfit. This didn't happen overnight.

I've been saying for years on here that I don't think either of the candidates are fit and what our country needs. There are better options than two geriatrics that can't speak well, one of whom is a felon and sex assaulter that tried to overturn an election.

From the outside Biden' health seemed steady state for most of his term though. And with him having pieced together a great staff and an unusually successful term legislatively, his supporters were hopeful (naively) that a mid-late 80's Biden could continue working effectively until and through the end of the next prospective term.

What's different according to a ton of reports is that his acuity has seemingly taken a nosedive recently, to an extent that has shocked people that have spent time around him.


I'm not buying the nosedive. The only difference now, he isn't being protected and sheltered. The Dems want him out for whatever reason and they are throwing him under the bus. With the help of their friends in the media.


Agree. This is not a new and developing issue. Anyone paying attention for the last four or five years could see Biden's condition deteriorating.


Same with Trump, his seeming decline just isn't exacerbated by a speech impediment.

He speaks like an elementary schooler now. Go listen to him talk 20 or 30 years ago. It's shocking how bad he's gotten at forming cogent thoughts and talking.

Read this article, from 2017. It's gotten much worse since. Watch the embedded video from 1987. His talking straight up sucks now by comparison. He just distracts from it with his angry, pugilistic style.

Trump wasn't always so linguistically challenged. What could explain the change?

Quote:

In interviews Trump gave in the 1980s and 1990s (with Tom Brokaw, David Letterman, Oprah Winfrey, Charlie Rose, and others), he spoke articulately, used sophisticated vocabulary, inserted dependent clauses into his sentences without losing his train of thought, and strung together sentences into a polished paragraph, which and this is no mean feat would have scanned just fine in print. This was so even when reporters asked tough questions about, for instance, his divorce, his brush with bankruptcy, and why he doesn't build housing for working-class Americans.

Trump fluently peppered his answers with words and phrases such as "subsided," "inclination," "discredited," "sparring session," and "a certain innate intelligence." He tossed off well-turned sentences such as, "It could have been a contentious route," and, "These are the only casinos in the United States that are so rated." He even offered thoughtful, articulate aphorisms: "If you get into what's missing, you don't appreciate what you have," and, "Adversity is a very funny thing."

Now, Trump's vocabulary is simpler. He repeats himself over and over, and lurches from one subject to an unrelated one, as in this answer during an interview with the Associated Press last month:
"People want the border wall. My base definitely wants the border wall, my base really wants it you've been to many of the rallies. OK, the thing they want more than anything is the wall. My base, which is a big base; I think my base is 45 percent. You know, it's funny. The Democrats, they have a big advantage in the Electoral College. Big, big, big advantage. … The Electoral College is very difficult for a Republican to win, and I will tell you, the people want to see it. They want to see the wall."

For decades, studies have found that deterioration in the fluency, complexity, and vocabulary level of spontaneous speech can indicate slipping brain function due to normal aging or neurodegenerative disease. STAT and the experts therefore considered only unscripted utterances, not planned speeches and statements, since only the former tap the neural networks that offer a window into brain function.

That's not to even speak of his criminality and attempts to overthrow the election.

If you want to hold Biden accountable for his mental decline, hold Trump to the same standard.

At least with Biden, his team has four years of serious, competent governance and legislative successes. His campaign at least had that track record to point to in spite of him not being as fit as he was decades ago.

Trump's last term was characterized by the inability to get legislation passed, installing his family members as senior advisors, and leaving a historically high number of positions in his government unfilled.

What makes you think he'll govern differently the second time around?



Lol-respectfully, just stop.

Most of your post is CNN talking points and I'm not going down the rabbit hole with you.

Look, Trump is an abrasive NY yankee loud mouth, you ever met one that wasn't? But he's in much better shape to be President than Biden.

Sorry facts that penetrate your Trump bubble offend you.

According to y'all Biden is a vegetable so Trump could be "in better shape" than Biden and not be worth a damn.

Neither of these guys should be anywhere near the White House for the next four years.
You will 100% vote for Biden again, so please dispense with this newest faux stance of yours...

Absolutely. Obviously.

Assuming Biden stays on the ticket there are only two choices and I'd vote for the old guy with the good staff that's not a criminal and doesn't try to overturn elections 10 times out of 10.

I'm not happy about it but none of us can reinvent the system or change the ticket. We can only vote for one of the two deficient candidates but we have to choose.

And I love how y'all can't stand me saying both that Biden isn't fit and shouldn't be president (which I've said for years, there's nothing new about it) and that I'd vote for him again because there's no other acceptable choice, but in the same breath you turn around and say you'll vote for a dude that also can't talk worth a damn compared to 20 years ago; is a sex-assaulting felon; and literally tried to overturn an election, as if that dude is fit to be president.

News flash for you: We're both voting for unfit candidates. I'll take the old one whose staff respects democracy; has not been accused of sex crimes; has not been charged with obstructing the return of classified docs; and has not tried to overturn an election.





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