caryking said:

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Civilized said:

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caryking said:

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Civilized said:

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Wufskins said:

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Show a post on here where I have advocated for any type of socialism or Marxist program. You can't, because I don't. Just throw out those buzz words without any evidence. It's all you have.
Now, would you like to discuss the topic or just throw out childish bull*****

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The latter. It's always the latter.

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The budget is full of them! If you support the spending, then you support socialism.

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The "socialism" and "Marxism" barbs are completely childish and counterproductive. It's just name-calling, no different than the woke left being all too eager to throw out "-ism's".

You can support federal spending without being a socialist.

And anyway, Pubs don't spend consequentially less than Dems, they just support taxing less.

Which is more responsible, "spend and tax" or "spend and don't tax"?

Who was the last President to balance the budget, again?

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Your choice of spend and tax or spend and don't tax is part of the problem and illicit's the socialism tag.

I think things, like the COVID relief stuff, done under Trump is pure Socialism! Somebody, earlier asked what policy(s) I didn't like of Trumps, wel … that was a huge one!

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Packfan89 said:

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caryking said:

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Civilized said:

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caryking said:

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Civilized said:

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Wufskins said:

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Show a post on here where I have advocated for any type of socialism or Marxist program. You can't, because I don't. Just throw out those buzz words without any evidence. It's all you have.
Now, would you like to discuss the topic or just throw out childish bull*****

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The latter. It's always the latter.

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The budget is full of them! If you support the spending, then you support socialism.

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The "socialism" and "Marxism" barbs are completely childish and counterproductive. It's just name-calling, no different than the woke left being all too eager to throw out "-ism's".

You can support federal spending without being a socialist.

And anyway, Pubs don't spend consequentially less than Dems, they just support taxing less.

Which is more responsible, "spend and tax" or "spend and don't tax"?

Who was the last President to balance the budget, again?

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Your choice of spend and tax or spend and don't tax is part of the problem and illicit's the socialism tag.

I think things, like the COVID relief stuff, done under Trump is pure Socialism! Somebody, earlier asked what policy(s) I didn't like of Trumps, wel … that was a huge one!

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Yup. Our choices are the party of "spend more" and the party of "low taxes." The compromise is that they spend more and don't raise taxes.

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Civilized said:

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caryking said:

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Civilized said:

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Wufskins said:

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Show a post on here where I have advocated for any type of socialism or Marxist program. You can't, because I don't. Just throw out those buzz words without any evidence. It's all you have.
Now, would you like to discuss the topic or just throw out childish bull*****

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The latter. It's always the latter.

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The budget is full of them! If you support the spending, then you support socialism.

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The "socialism" and "Marxism" barbs are completely childish and counterproductive. It's just name-calling, no different than the woke left being all too eager to throw out "-ism's".

You can support federal spending without being a socialist.

And anyway, Pubs don't spend consequentially less than Dems, they just support taxing less.

Which is more responsible, "spend and tax" or "spend and don't tax"?

Who was the last President to balance the budget, again?

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caryking said:

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Packfan89 said:

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caryking said:

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Civilized said:

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caryking said:

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Civilized said:

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Wufskins said:

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Show a post on here where I have advocated for any type of socialism or Marxist program. You can't, because I don't. Just throw out those buzz words without any evidence. It's all you have.
Now, would you like to discuss the topic or just throw out childish bull*****

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The latter. It's always the latter.

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The budget is full of them! If you support the spending, then you support socialism.

---

The "socialism" and "Marxism" barbs are completely childish and counterproductive. It's just name-calling, no different than the woke left being all too eager to throw out "-ism's".

You can support federal spending without being a socialist.

And anyway, Pubs don't spend consequentially less than Dems, they just support taxing less.

Which is more responsible, "spend and tax" or "spend and don't tax"?

Who was the last President to balance the budget, again?

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Your choice of spend and tax or spend and don't tax is part of the problem and illicit's the socialism tag.

I think things, like the COVID relief stuff, done under Trump is pure Socialism! Somebody, earlier asked what policy(s) I didn't like of Trumps, wel … that was a huge one!

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Yup. Our choices are the party of "spend more" and the party of "low taxes." The compromise is that they spend more and don't raise taxes.

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Just curious, a person making 200k a year, what's a fair tax rate (just consider no tax breaks for this person)?

I say no tax breaks because I am not a fan of any, for anyone, of any kind.

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Packfan89 said:

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caryking said:

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Packfan89 said:

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caryking said:

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Civilized said:

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caryking said:

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Civilized said:

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Wufskins said:

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Show a post on here where I have advocated for any type of socialism or Marxist program. You can't, because I don't. Just throw out those buzz words without any evidence. It's all you have.
Now, would you like to discuss the topic or just throw out childish bull*****

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The latter. It's always the latter.

---

The budget is full of them! If you support the spending, then you support socialism.

---

The "socialism" and "Marxism" barbs are completely childish and counterproductive. It's just name-calling, no different than the woke left being all too eager to throw out "-ism's".

You can support federal spending without being a socialist.

And anyway, Pubs don't spend consequentially less than Dems, they just support taxing less.

Which is more responsible, "spend and tax" or "spend and don't tax"?

Who was the last President to balance the budget, again?

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Your choice of spend and tax or spend and don't tax is part of the problem and illicit's the socialism tag.

I think things, like the COVID relief stuff, done under Trump is pure Socialism! Somebody, earlier asked what policy(s) I didn't like of Trumps, wel … that was a huge one!

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Yup. Our choices are the party of "spend more" and the party of "low taxes." The compromise is that they spend more and don't raise taxes.

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Just curious, a person making 200k a year, what's a fair tax rate (just consider no tax breaks for this person)?

I say no tax breaks because I am not a fan of any, for anyone, of any kind.

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"fair" is impossible to define and is usually a code word for "tax that other guy more than me."

I like your idea of no tax breaks. I am going to make up numbers because I don't know exactly what it would take to balance the budget.

Federal - 20% income tax on every dollar over $30k/individual. This should result in trivial tax return forms.
National Sales Tax - 5%
Let States do what they want. 50 experiments.

Quit pretending that medicare/SS/mystery fee #7 are all separate funds. It should all be coming out of the same big pile of federal money.

Increase taxation and decrease federal spending every year until budget is balanced. This isn't going to happen overnight but at least let's start moving in the right direction.

For you hypothetical $200k person, they'd pay $34k in federal income tax and 5% sales tax on their shiny new fishing boat.

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caryking said:

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Packfan89 said:

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caryking said:

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Packfan89 said:

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caryking said:

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Civilized said:

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caryking said:

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Civilized said:

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Wufskins said:

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Show a post on here where I have advocated for any type of socialism or Marxist program. You can't, because I don't. Just throw out those buzz words without any evidence. It's all you have.
Now, would you like to discuss the topic or just throw out childish bull*****

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The latter. It's always the latter.

---

The budget is full of them! If you support the spending, then you support socialism.

---

The "socialism" and "Marxism" barbs are completely childish and counterproductive. It's just name-calling, no different than the woke left being all too eager to throw out "-ism's".

You can support federal spending without being a socialist.

And anyway, Pubs don't spend consequentially less than Dems, they just support taxing less.

Which is more responsible, "spend and tax" or "spend and don't tax"?

Who was the last President to balance the budget, again?

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Your choice of spend and tax or spend and don't tax is part of the problem and illicit's the socialism tag.

I think things, like the COVID relief stuff, done under Trump is pure Socialism! Somebody, earlier asked what policy(s) I didn't like of Trumps, wel … that was a huge one!

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Yup. Our choices are the party of "spend more" and the party of "low taxes." The compromise is that they spend more and don't raise taxes.

---

Just curious, a person making 200k a year, what's a fair tax rate (just consider no tax breaks for this person)?

I say no tax breaks because I am not a fan of any, for anyone, of any kind.

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"fair" is impossible to define and is usually a code word for "tax that other guy more than me."

I like your idea of no tax breaks. I am going to make up numbers because I don't know exactly what it would take to balance the budget.

Federal - 20% income tax on every dollar over $30k/individual. This should result in trivial tax return forms.
National Sales Tax - 5%
Let States do what they want. 50 experiments.

Quit pretending that medicare/SS/mystery fee #7 are all separate funds. It should all be coming out of the same big pile of federal money.

Increase taxation and decrease federal spending every year until budget is balanced. This isn't going to happen overnight but at least let's start moving in the right direction.

For you hypothetical $200k person, they'd pay $34k in federal income tax and 5% sales tax on their shiny new fishing boat.

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First: taxing income and taxing consumption is not a good idea, to me. Choose one. Also, every single person should pay into income taxes, on the federal level, if that's the choice.

Personally, I'm for a consumption tax, with no exemptions, and a flat consumption tax. Pick a number and see how things go. Wouldn't it be nice to see the debate be about raising the consumption tax?

Now, regarding Social Security and Medicare, I completely disagree with you on the "same big pile of federal money". It may be; however, they are different programs and should be kept separately.

I think it's a reasonable to believe that the face value, of our debt, will never be touched, so, your right… it will take some time to balance the annual budget. Pick any plan for spending reduction. I don't care, just pick one…

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caryking said:

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Packfan89 said:

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caryking said:

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Packfan89 said:

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caryking said:

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Civilized said:

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caryking said:

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Civilized said:

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Wufskins said:

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Show a post on here where I have advocated for any type of socialism or Marxist program. You can't, because I don't. Just throw out those buzz words without any evidence. It's all you have.
Now, would you like to discuss the topic or just throw out childish bull*****

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The latter. It's always the latter.

---

The budget is full of them! If you support the spending, then you support socialism.

---

The "socialism" and "Marxism" barbs are completely childish and counterproductive. It's just name-calling, no different than the woke left being all too eager to throw out "-ism's".

You can support federal spending without being a socialist.

And anyway, Pubs don't spend consequentially less than Dems, they just support taxing less.

Which is more responsible, "spend and tax" or "spend and don't tax"?

Who was the last President to balance the budget, again?

---

Your choice of spend and tax or spend and don't tax is part of the problem and illicit's the socialism tag.

I think things, like the COVID relief stuff, done under Trump is pure Socialism! Somebody, earlier asked what policy(s) I didn't like of Trumps, wel … that was a huge one!

---

Yup. Our choices are the party of "spend more" and the party of "low taxes." The compromise is that they spend more and don't raise taxes.

---

Just curious, a person making 200k a year, what's a fair tax rate (just consider no tax breaks for this person)?

I say no tax breaks because I am not a fan of any, for anyone, of any kind.

---

"fair" is impossible to define and is usually a code word for "tax that other guy more than me."

I like your idea of no tax breaks. I am going to make up numbers because I don't know exactly what it would take to balance the budget.

Federal - 20% income tax on every dollar over $30k/individual. This should result in trivial tax return forms.
National Sales Tax - 5%
Let States do what they want. 50 experiments.

Quit pretending that medicare/SS/mystery fee #7 are all separate funds. It should all be coming out of the same big pile of federal money.

Increase taxation and decrease federal spending every year until budget is balanced. This isn't going to happen overnight but at least let's start moving in the right direction.

For you hypothetical $200k person, they'd pay $34k in federal income tax and 5% sales tax on their shiny new fishing boat.

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First: taxing income and taxing consumption is not a good idea, to me. Choose one. Also, every single person should pay into income taxes, on the federal level, if that's the choice.

Personally, I'm for a consumption tax, with no exemptions, and a flat consumption tax. Pick a number and see how things go. Wouldn't it be nice to see the debate be about raising the consumption tax?

Now, regarding Social Security and Medicare, I completely disagree with you on the "same big pile of federal money". It may be; however, they are different programs and should be kept separately.

I think it's a reasonable to believe that the face value, of our debt, will never be touched, so, your right… it will take some time to balance the annual budget. Pick any plan for spending reduction. I don't care, just pick one…

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Civilized said:

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caryking said:

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Packfan89 said:

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caryking said:

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Packfan89 said:

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caryking said:

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Civilized said:

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caryking said:

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Civilized said:

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Wufskins said:

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Show a post on here where I have advocated for any type of socialism or Marxist program. You can't, because I don't. Just throw out those buzz words without any evidence. It's all you have.
Now, would you like to discuss the topic or just throw out childish bull*****

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The latter. It's always the latter.

---

The budget is full of them! If you support the spending, then you support socialism.

---

The "socialism" and "Marxism" barbs are completely childish and counterproductive. It's just name-calling, no different than the woke left being all too eager to throw out "-ism's".

You can support federal spending without being a socialist.

And anyway, Pubs don't spend consequentially less than Dems, they just support taxing less.

Which is more responsible, "spend and tax" or "spend and don't tax"?

Who was the last President to balance the budget, again?

---

Your choice of spend and tax or spend and don't tax is part of the problem and illicit's the socialism tag.

I think things, like the COVID relief stuff, done under Trump is pure Socialism! Somebody, earlier asked what policy(s) I didn't like of Trumps, wel … that was a huge one!

---

Yup. Our choices are the party of "spend more" and the party of "low taxes." The compromise is that they spend more and don't raise taxes.

---

Just curious, a person making 200k a year, what's a fair tax rate (just consider no tax breaks for this person)?

I say no tax breaks because I am not a fan of any, for anyone, of any kind.

---

"fair" is impossible to define and is usually a code word for "tax that other guy more than me."

I like your idea of no tax breaks. I am going to make up numbers because I don't know exactly what it would take to balance the budget.

Federal - 20% income tax on every dollar over $30k/individual. This should result in trivial tax return forms.
National Sales Tax - 5%
Let States do what they want. 50 experiments.

Quit pretending that medicare/SS/mystery fee #7 are all separate funds. It should all be coming out of the same big pile of federal money.

Increase taxation and decrease federal spending every year until budget is balanced. This isn't going to happen overnight but at least let's start moving in the right direction.

For you hypothetical $200k person, they'd pay $34k in federal income tax and 5% sales tax on their shiny new fishing boat.

---

First: taxing income and taxing consumption is not a good idea, to me. Choose one. Also, every single person should pay into income taxes, on the federal level, if that's the choice.

Personally, I'm for a consumption tax, with no exemptions, and a flat consumption tax. Pick a number and see how things go. Wouldn't it be nice to see the debate be about raising the consumption tax?

Now, regarding Social Security and Medicare, I completely disagree with you on the "same big pile of federal money". It may be; however, they are different programs and should be kept separately.

I think it's a reasonable to believe that the face value, of our debt, will never be touched, so, your right… it will take some time to balance the annual budget. Pick any plan for spending reduction. I don't care, just pick one…

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I've read seemingly sound studies that indicate progressive income taxes actually hinder household savings (a key indicator of a country's economic health) more than regressive flat/consumption taxes.

I think the issue with income taxes is they're actually not progressive enough. The middle class bears too much of the burden while the almost-untaxed lower class and the very rich don't bear enough, so the tax base isn't as broad as it needs to be.

A well-applied income tax may be a net wash with consumption tax with respect to household savings, but that's hard to study in practice because there are few well-applied income taxes.

It's an interesting debate.

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Trump is now pimping the “God Bless The USA” Bible… The shameless grifting and blasphemy knows no bounds. pic.twitter.com/4Aphtme2r7

— HJoseph (Don’t Tread On Florida) (@DontShedOnMe_1) March 27, 2024

Wufskins said:

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This is like a SNL skit. And his peeps will eat it up.

Trump is now pimping the “God Bless The USA” Bible… The shameless grifting and blasphemy knows no bounds. pic.twitter.com/4Aphtme2r7

— HJoseph (Don’t Tread On Florida) (@DontShedOnMe_1) March 27, 2024

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🚨EXCLUSIVE BOMBSHELL REPORT🚨

Judge Merchan’s daughter has @KamalaHarris as a Client at her company that focuses on Campaigns and elections!!!

Judge Merchan, the NY State Supreme Court Judge who issued a GAG ORDER against President Trump today has a daughter named Loren… pic.twitter.com/Jr0FzWyJv6

— Laura Loomer (@LauraLoomer) March 26, 2024

Wufskins said:

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This is like a SNL skit. And his peeps will eat it up.

Trump is now pimping the “God Bless The USA” Bible… The shameless grifting and blasphemy knows no bounds. pic.twitter.com/4Aphtme2r7

— HJoseph (Don’t Tread On Florida) (@DontShedOnMe_1) March 27, 2024

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Remember when Prince Harry flashed the Devil horns when he met with Melania pic.twitter.com/J5o1Z2ZHns

— catranchdream🇨🇦🩸😤 (@catranchdream) September 11, 2022

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Werewolf said:

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If I told you who Trump's VP was you'd never believe me. ;-)

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And I bet that you won't tell us, because in reality you don't know...

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They are begging for President Trump to come to Chicago‼️ pic.twitter.com/xbfxK4KnBt

— Susan Cleary Rittger (@ClearyRittger) March 31, 2024

Bill Maher says he would vote for "Biden’s head in a jar of blue liquid," over Donald Trump.

How is that news, Maher?

Isn't that pretty much what you and the rest of the lunatic TDS people did in 2020?

You voted for a stumbling, bumbling Alzheimer’s patient who was the face of…

— Ann Vandersteel (@annvandersteel) April 1, 2024

Werewolf said:

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Bill Maher says he would vote for "Biden’s head in a jar of blue liquid," over Donald Trump.

How is that news, Maher?

Isn't that pretty much what you and the rest of the lunatic TDS people did in 2020?

You voted for a stumbling, bumbling Alzheimer’s patient who was the face of…

— Ann Vandersteel (@annvandersteel) April 1, 2024

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BREAKING: Wausau Mayor Rosenberg (D) has been defeated by Republican Doug Diny by a 4.3% margin.

Wisconsin Democrats spent a lot here.

Biden won this town by 8% in 2020.

🔵➡️🔴 GOP FLIP pic.twitter.com/8Go6eVXYAv

— End Wokeness (@EndWokeness) April 3, 2024

BBW12OG said:

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TheStorm said:

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Pack Pride Part Deux now I see...

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Unless Commandant Smith unlocks it they have nowhere else to go. They are all welcome here and can actually express Conservative view points without being banned.

And most of all.... can speak negatively about the left and how fcked up the party is.

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TheStorm said:

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BBW12OG said:

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TheStorm said:

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Pack Pride Part Deux now I see...

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Unless Commandant Smith unlocks it they have nowhere else to go. They are all welcome here and can actually express Conservative view points without being banned.

And most of all.... can speak negatively about the left and how fcked up the party is.

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I have no problem with that... just making an observation.

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TheStorm said:

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Pack Pride Part Deux now I see...

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ncsupack1 said:

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I like having more folks over here.

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barelypure said:

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Trump team may seek recusal of Judge Merchan again

Juan Merchan's daughter, Loren Merchan company, Authentic Campaigns, have raised at least $93 million in campaign donationsusing Mr. Trump's case in their solicitation emails, according to the Post.

Ms. Merchan is president and partner of a Chicago-based firm Authentic Campaigns, whose top clients include U.S. Senate candidate Rep. Adam Schiff (D-Calif.) and the Senate Majority PAC. Mr. Schiff also oversaw Mr. Trump's first impeachment trial as its lead prosecutor.

Last summer, the Trump team filed for Merchan to recuse himself, making similar arguments that Justice Merchan's impartiality might be compromised due to his daughter's political work.

In a six-page decision in August 2023, Justice Merchan rebutted these claims, stating that the evidence provided by Trump was speculative and fell short of the legal threshold for recusal.

The motion also highlighted concerns regarding Justice Merchan's previous involvement in a case against Allen Weisselberg, The Trump Organization's CFO, suggesting that it indicated bias against President Trump.
Additionally, President Trump raised issues over alleged 2020 campaign contributions by New York's highest court members, insinuating a lack of impartiality.

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