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In reply to Oldsouljer • 12:38p, 10/22/25
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Well said, Rand.

I like him most of the time, but I feel he's leaving out important context. Speed boats just off Miami are well within our 12 mile limit. Speedboats heading for open sea in international waters are a lot more suspicious than sailing craft generally operating in coastal waters. As for declared wars and Constitutional matters, I've mentioned before about Jefferson's undeclared actions against the Barbary States and Paul seems to be ignoring historical precedents such as that.


They're somewhat suspicious, so we murder them first and ask questions later (or maybe not at all?).

Taking action against pirates capturing and enslaving American crews is clearly a much different scenario than us blowing up civilian boats that pose no immediate, direct risk to America or Americans because *we think* they may be drug runners. Even if they're guilty of being drug runners, when did that become a capital offense? And most importantly, we don't even know they're drug runners unless we capture them and collect evidence!

Those clear differences aside, Jefferson eventually sought and got congressional approval and funding for his Barbary military actions.

When can we expect Trump to do the same for these military actions?

Jefferson only approached Congress at a certain threshold when he wanted to expand operations against the ruler of Tripoli. I don't know that the scale of current naval operations against these drug runners has come to that level yet.


I don't think that framing is right.

Tripoli declared war on the US, which was obviously begat a clear and immediate need to protect US interests. There was a hasty defensive deployment by the US in response.

Jefferson responded to the immediate threat and then doubled back to seek the congressional approval he thought the Constitution required.

There was no such attack on the US or its interests with the prospective drug runners. Who are we at war with? Who is attacking America? What's the difference between this and just beginning to drone strike people we see crossing the border that we believe may be drug mules?
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12:45p, 10/22/25
Did China Just Strike US With AWS Outage? Prelude to Bigger War?

https://www.newsmax.com/headline/china-amazon-aws/2025/10/22/id/1231382/
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In reply to Civilized • 1:22p, 10/22/25
Civilized said:
Oldsouljer said:
Civilized said:
Well said, Rand.

I like him most of the time, but I feel he's leaving out important context. Speed boats just off Miami are well within our 12 mile limit. Speedboats heading for open sea in international waters are a lot more suspicious than sailing craft generally operating in coastal waters. As for declared wars and Constitutional matters, I've mentioned before about Jefferson's undeclared actions against the Barbary States and Paul seems to be ignoring historical precedents such as that.


They're somewhat suspicious, so we murder them first and ask questions later (or maybe not at all?).

Taking action against pirates capturing and enslaving American crews is clearly a much different scenario than us blowing up civilian boats that pose no immediate, direct risk to America or Americans because *we think* they may be drug runners. Even if they're guilty of being drug runners, when did that become a capital offense? And most importantly, we don't even know they're drug runners unless we capture them and collect evidence!

Those clear differences aside, Jefferson eventually sought and got congressional approval and funding for his Barbary military actions.

When can we expect Trump to do the same for these military actions?


You probably don't know this so allow me to enlighten you yet again.

We have ISR aircraft flying these areas day and night. L3, MAG-DS and Sierra Nevada Cooperation are just three private companies with government contracts with the purpose of tracking high value assets. We know exactly who these guys are before going kinetic.
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In reply to Gulfstream4 • 2:12p, 10/22/25
Gulfstream4 said:
Civilized said:
Oldsouljer said:
Civilized said:
Well said, Rand.

I like him most of the time, but I feel he's leaving out important context. Speed boats just off Miami are well within our 12 mile limit. Speedboats heading for open sea in international waters are a lot more suspicious than sailing craft generally operating in coastal waters. As for declared wars and Constitutional matters, I've mentioned before about Jefferson's undeclared actions against the Barbary States and Paul seems to be ignoring historical precedents such as that.


They're somewhat suspicious, so we murder them first and ask questions later (or maybe not at all?).

Taking action against pirates capturing and enslaving American crews is clearly a much different scenario than us blowing up civilian boats that pose no immediate, direct risk to America or Americans because *we think* they may be drug runners. Even if they're guilty of being drug runners, when did that become a capital offense? And most importantly, we don't even know they're drug runners unless we capture them and collect evidence!

Those clear differences aside, Jefferson eventually sought and got congressional approval and funding for his Barbary military actions.

When can we expect Trump to do the same for these military actions?


You probably don't know this so allow me to enlighten you yet again.

We have ISR aircraft flying these areas day and night. L3, MAG-DS and Sierra Nevada Cooperation are just three private companies with government contracts with the purpose of tracking high value assets. We know exactly who these guys are before going kinetic.


Sounds tuff.

You don't think Rand Paul is privvy to whatever information you are, and then 10x more?

And regardless, knowing who they are doesn't make executing them legal.
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How bat**** crazy are the lefties? In one year they've gone from siding with Palestinian terrorists to now supporting drug runners. Oh and lord knows we can't forget the White House remodel that has the sheep in tears. Even worse we have the assassination and failed assassination attempts.

All in one year. All because "TRUMP!!!!!"

Party of evil.
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In reply to Gulfstream4 • 3:32p, 10/22/25
Gulfstream4 said:
Civilized said:
Oldsouljer said:
Civilized said:
Well said, Rand.

I like him most of the time, but I feel he's leaving out important context. Speed boats just off Miami are well within our 12 mile limit. Speedboats heading for open sea in international waters are a lot more suspicious than sailing craft generally operating in coastal waters. As for declared wars and Constitutional matters, I've mentioned before about Jefferson's undeclared actions against the Barbary States and Paul seems to be ignoring historical precedents such as that.


They're somewhat suspicious, so we murder them first and ask questions later (or maybe not at all?).

Taking action against pirates capturing and enslaving American crews is clearly a much different scenario than us blowing up civilian boats that pose no immediate, direct risk to America or Americans because *we think* they may be drug runners. Even if they're guilty of being drug runners, when did that become a capital offense? And most importantly, we don't even know they're drug runners unless we capture them and collect evidence!

Those clear differences aside, Jefferson eventually sought and got congressional approval and funding for his Barbary military actions.

When can we expect Trump to do the same for these military actions?


You probably don't know this so allow me to enlighten you yet again.

We have ISR aircraft flying these areas day and night. L3, MAG-DS and Sierra Nevada Cooperation are just three private companies with government contracts with the purpose of tracking high value assets. We know exactly who these guys are before going kinetic.


BOOM! Sieve Wales into the fire of a Gatling Gun..........and so says #daSieve, LOL
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3:58p, 10/22/25
12.3% of Americans are on EBT. Unbelievable.

And these entitled lazy free-loading scum say they are going to loot stores if their EBT is cut off and riot? If they try that, I hope they all get beat down and their teeth busted out.

This kind of crap has gone on for far too long.

Can you imagine how wealthy decent, hard-working Americans could be, if we weren't taxed to death and have half of our wages stolen to pay for all the freeloaders, all their EBT and Section 8 housing, all the illegal aliens' "free" health care, the tens of trillions stolen by the Federal government for all the foreign wars (to enrich their cronies), etc.

Instead, most of us are struggling to survive, while busting our a$$es. And they want to talk about "reparations". We are the slaves now, being forced by the government to have about a quarter of our income stolen to pay for you to sit on your sorry a$$es all day, while we pay for your "free" housing, "free" EBT food, "free" Obama health care, "free" education for all your children, etc. They ARE getting reparations....all this socialist welfare state "free" stuff is the reparations.

Shut down this communist government FOREVER.
"Ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you." - John 15:19
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In reply to packgrad • 4:57p, 10/22/25
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How bat**** crazy are the lefties? In one year they've gone from siding with Palestinian terrorists to now supporting drug runners. Oh and lord knows we can't forget the White House remodel that has the sheep in tears. Even worse we have the assassination and failed assassination attempts.

All in one year. All because "TRUMP!!!!!"

Party of evil.

We really need to bring back the looney bins.
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In reply to SmaptyWolf • 5:04p, 10/22/25
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caryking said:
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s a weird take since it's obvious they're pushing the envelope of normative Presidential behavior

#Sieve, do You mean like this?


I have a feeling if you or our resident trans-haters had a gay or trans kid, you'd have a much different take on this topic. Like I've mentioned on here before, we have close friends with non-binary (and possibly trans) middle school kid. This kid was in our Y-Guides tribe (prior to starting to openly work through identity issues). Great family. Dad was a Big East track athlete. Not rad-lib. Not political. Not TDS'ers. Just a normal family, three kids. Lots of camping trips, Seagull, Seafarer, Rockmont, all the things. Really sweet and thoughtful and normal folks.

Having an LGBTQ kid is extremely stressful for the family to navigate because of the obvious challenge of helping your kid navigate a fundamental issue, and also due to the fear of bullying and isolation and resultant potential self-harm.

This appears to be a purely voluntary gathering intended to support LGBTQ students and and to help avoid LGBTQ students feeling alone, prompted or encouraged partially by the recent suicide of a bullied LGBTQ student.

No events like this should be required for students (nor would I imagine they would be in today's obviously divided poltiical climate) but we also shouldn't let LGBTQ students feel like pariah, like their identity is something they need to keep secret and never discussed.

What's wrong with occasional and purely voluntary, opt-in type supportive events for the LGBTQ school community?

My GodSon is gay and married another dude this summer. Brought his husband to our huge family event. We dealt with it, my GodSon is a good man -29ish now - educated - etc. Still, its the wrong direction and we sure as hell shouldn't be pushing this agenda in our schools. Grow up in California and attend an Ivy League school for further brainwashing and you get a gay liberal pulling for Antifa. Yep, my GodSon. Too much damn Soy!

As with all sin, we are called to repent. Ultimately, we are sinners; however, our goal is recognize those sins and do everything to not act on them. That said…

John 8:7 - I paraphrase, he who is without sin can cast the first stone. He then said, go and leave your life of sin.

Again, we are all sinners; however, we don't have to act on our sin.

Thanks for the reminder of why church attendance has been plummeting for decades.

Yes, the Devil is an evil one. He works on the best of us…

Seems to be a dichotomy out there. The churches with plummeting attendance are the ones who've gone modernist, while the traditional churches seem to be undergoing a revival of sorts.

I disagree somewhat , I think the revival is in churches that teach out of the Bible. These show churches that don't teach but instead are more interested in making you feel good are the ones losing attendance.

We had a great sermon on Sunday on Timothy 2 and pastor Zeb spoke upon this very topic.

Not in so many words, but I thought that is what I said. Meant, in any case.

i probably see modernist differently than you. You can be more modernist but still do the teaching right.

Yes, you can have a praise band, playing today's Christian music and teach the truth that is the Bible.

And no… that's not Christian Nationalism at all. It's a foundational view that God is the creator of all things that sent Jesus (the Son and perfect embodiment of God) to provide others, even to this day, an example of how we should strive to be every day.

I personally do not want to push a Christian life on others. That said, I will show how my relationship, with Christ, has allowed me to be more like him. Then, a person can choose to do what they want with it. Most Christians I know, do not push their faith on another person; however, they will express the greatness God has to offer. Again, every person has to be responsible for their own relationship…

I think the modernist movement has a different meaning than what you are describing and what I've just stated.

The problem is that the people most likely to say things like that are the ones who usually act the least Christ-like in public. The Water Cooler is a perfect example... this place is packed to the ceiling with vile contempt. Could you imagine Jesus hanging out here trashing "trannies" and feasting on librul tears? Could you imagine Jesus as a Fox News guest talking about how amazing Trump is? Obviously the idea is laughable to most people.

So what's a "MAGA Christian" to do when "but that doesn't count, we're all sinners!" stops working to justify the increasingly cartoonish hypocrisy? A "Charlie Kirk revival"!!! Just focus that "own the libs" energy, harness an arsenal of debate tricks, and presto! Now empathy is a sin and retribution is a virtue! Jesus was MAGA after all, we were just reading the bible all wrong! Full steam ahead with the "Christian" revolution!


The left hates religion. You trying to guilt trip others using religion is laughable.

Peddle your BS somewhere else.

I like how you just edited your "send them all to the ovens!" comment. Let me guess, you're a "Christian", too?



Smapty…. Come on now…. You can be better, right?

This is exactly what I'm talking about.

I literally just told you that Gulf's first thought, after seeing a video of people having fun at a trans-themed restaurant in the Philippines, was that we should "send them all to the ovens". And your only response is "Smapty, you can be better, right?" Lol, really?

You would think that a person who was literally just wearing their Christianity on their sleeve five minutes ago might stop for a second and say "Oh wow. Damn Gulf, that was a completely psychotic thing to say about anyone. You can be better, right?" But nope! Didn't even occur to you! Or you simply have no interest in channeling your "John 8" energy when one of your own is spewing vile crap that aligns with your goals.

You guys are in a dark place, man. You can be better, right?

Smapty, my back and forth has been with you, right?

Regarding Gulf's post…. Well, I didn't initially read it. So, I just did. Specifically, what's wrong with his post? Let's debate it…

"The left hates religion"

That is his opinion. Is it true?

"you're trying to guilt trip others using religion is laughable"

were you trying to do that?

"Peddle your BS somewhere else"

ok, perhaps that could have been said differently; however, don't hold him to a standard you're not willing to do yourself.

That post was Gulf's usual vomit. I explained in detail that I was referring to his previous comment about a trans video, which he then edited I presume to not risk getting banned for saying blatant Nazi crap out loud (not that IPS would ban anyone).

Anyway, whatever. I don't think I've ever had a "back and forth" with you where you actually respond to a question. Same as it ever was.

Smapty, that's disappointing to hear. I thought we had a reasonable back and forth, just yesterday. In fact, I thanked you for it…

Sorry, I missed the Trans post…. BTW, I'm not sure how to respond to the post I did, any differently. I would welcome your thoughts…
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In reply to GuerrillaPack • 5:16p, 10/22/25
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12.3% of Americans are on EBT. Unbelievable.

And these entitled lazy free-loading scum say they are going to loot stores if their EBT is cut off and riot? If they try that, I hope they all get beat down and their teeth busted out.

This kind of crap has gone on for far too long.

Can you imagine how wealthy decent, hard-working Americans could be, if we weren't taxed to death and have half of our wages stolen to pay for all the freeloaders, all their EBT and Section 8 housing, all the illegal aliens' "free" health care, the tens of trillions stolen by the Federal government for all the foreign wars (to enrich their cronies), etc.

Instead, most of us are struggling to survive, while busting our a$$es. And they want to talk about "reparations". We are the slaves now, being forced by the government to have about a quarter of our income stolen to pay for you to sit on your sorry a$$es all day, while we pay for your "free" housing, "free" EBT food, "free" Obama health care, "free" education for all your children, etc. They ARE getting reparations....all this socialist welfare state "free" stuff is the reparations.

Shut down this communist government FOREVER.

GP, calling these people scum is harsh. We have a portion of these people that are probably lazy; however, we probably have a portion of these people that lost their jobs to outsourcing.

I've actually studied some of these people, on a smaller sample and most of the people I've talked to want to work, as opposed to taking freebies. Now, I'm sure we can find the freeloaders you're referring too; however, a reasonable portion of these people were sold out, by greedy politicians, from both parties.

But, we have people, on this forum, that finds some of these jobs being almost a waste of time trying to bring them back…. I see an opportunity to solve multiple issues at the same time…. I guess it is what it is…
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In reply to Civilized • 5:55p, 10/22/25
#daSieve, caught up the Gatling Gun of Gulf's Warthog! LMAO

#daSieve, do you think Trump has better info that Senator Rand Paul?

Citing Newt one minute, and Rand the next, you're making progress, #Sieve.
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6:28p, 10/22/25
LMAO

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6:32p, 10/22/25
#EnjoyDaShow Hey #Sieve, do you like butter on your #popcorn? I do. ;-)

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6:37p, 10/22/25
True story.
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In reply to Civilized • 6:38p, 10/22/25
#daSieve refuses to leave the matrix. He's clinging on to one of the bars on his window.
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6:42p, 10/22/25
She's spelling it out for ya', fellow Republicans.
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6:49p, 10/22/25
He's sending #Sieve, #Nappy and #Gobbler a message............he needs his EBT!
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In reply to Civilized • 6:50p, 10/22/25
Civilized said:
Gulfstream4 said:
Civilized said:
Oldsouljer said:
Civilized said:
Well said, Rand.

I like him most of the time, but I feel he's leaving out important context. Speed boats just off Miami are well within our 12 mile limit. Speedboats heading for open sea in international waters are a lot more suspicious than sailing craft generally operating in coastal waters. As for declared wars and Constitutional matters, I've mentioned before about Jefferson's undeclared actions against the Barbary States and Paul seems to be ignoring historical precedents such as that.


They're somewhat suspicious, so we murder them first and ask questions later (or maybe not at all?).

Taking action against pirates capturing and enslaving American crews is clearly a much different scenario than us blowing up civilian boats that pose no immediate, direct risk to America or Americans because *we think* they may be drug runners. Even if they're guilty of being drug runners, when did that become a capital offense? And most importantly, we don't even know they're drug runners unless we capture them and collect evidence!

Those clear differences aside, Jefferson eventually sought and got congressional approval and funding for his Barbary military actions.

When can we expect Trump to do the same for these military actions?


You probably don't know this so allow me to enlighten you yet again.

We have ISR aircraft flying these areas day and night. L3, MAG-DS and Sierra Nevada Cooperation are just three private companies with government contracts with the purpose of tracking high value assets. We know exactly who these guys are before going kinetic.


Sounds tuff.

You don't think Rand Paul is privvy to whatever information you are, and then 10x more?

And regardless, knowing who they are doesn't make executing them legal.


I don't know what information RP is privy to and neither do you.

You don't want drug runners to die but you are okay with 1000's of Americans dying of overdoses each year? I just don't understand that logic.

Maybe I'm wrong but I say f'em. Don't want to get blown up, don't run drugs into our country. America first, rights of drug runners last.
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6:51p, 10/22/25
#Sieve, #Nappy and #Gobbler, you guys support this, don't you?
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In reply to packgrad • 6:53p, 10/22/25
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How bat**** crazy are the lefties? In one year they've gone from siding with Palestinian terrorists to now supporting drug runners. Oh and lord knows we can't forget the White House remodel that has the sheep in tears. Even worse we have the assassination and failed assassination attempts.

All in one year. All because "TRUMP!!!!!"

Party of evil.


With the way democrats have acted the 10 years or so, I think they are hiding behind "due process" but in reality it's more about their hate for President Trump.
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In reply to Werewolf • 7:00p, 10/22/25
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He's sending #Sieve, #Nappy and #Gobbler a message............he needs his EBT!


It is amazing there are democrats out there that think like this. This guy refuses to work 20 hours a week and feels entitled to tax payer money.

I think Smapty or Civ should write a check to this guy and post the receipts here for all to see.
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In reply to Werewolf • 7:06p, 10/22/25
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#Sieve, #Nappy and #Gobbler, you guys support this, don't you?


Democrats have destroyed multiple generations of Americans all to collect votes because they can't win on policy.

They need all the low information, government dependent voters they can get to go with the America hating white guilt voters.
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7:07p, 10/22/25
Attorney General Pam Bondi said on Oct. 22 that a plan by Democrats to launch an online platform tracking Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) operations in Los Angeles could endanger federal agents and expose them to harassment or violence.

Rep. Robert Garcia (D-Calif.) said during an Oct. 21 news conference alongside Los Angeles Mayor Karen Bass that Democrats on the House Oversight Committee will launch what Garcia called a "master ICE tracker." The online database would allow the public to submit and review reports of ICE activity across the Los Angeles area, including videos and other data.
"Over the course of the next couple of weeks, the Oversight Committee will be launching on their website a master ICE tracker where we're going to be essentially tracking every single instance that we can verify that the community will send," Garcia said.

"You'll be able to send us information. ... It'll be all available in one central place, and you'll be able to look up that information as it relates to Los Angeles as well."
Garcia described the initiative as part of a wide congressional investigation into alleged wrongful detentions by ICE under the Trump administration. Garcia also said he plans to hold a congressional field hearing in Los Angeles at which residents can testify about immigration enforcement concerns, calling it part of a broader inquiry into alleged civil rights violations by federal agents.
He has joined forces with Sen. Richard Blumenthal (D-Conn.), who is leading a parallel investigation through the Senate Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations. The two lawmakers recently sent a letter to Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem demanding records on what they described as the unlawful detention of U.S. citizens and immigrants by ICE agents.

The ICE tracker project drew swift condemnation from Bondi, who said such tools could compromise law enforcement operations and fuel organized hostility toward immigration officers.
"Shutdown Democrats are already refusing to pay our law enforcement agents," Bondi said in an Oct. 22 post on X. "Now, [Garcia] and [Blumenthal] are trying to put ICE agents at risk just for doing their jobs. [The Justice Department] has ZERO tolerance for violence against law enforcementwe will prosecute any person who physically assaults our agents."
Border czar Tom Homan said recent heated rhetoric, along with efforts to expose the movements and identities of ICE agents, have already correlated with a surge in organized attacks on law enforcement personnel and facilities.

Protesters demonstrate against ICE operations while blocking the Sixth Street Bridge between Boyle Heights and the downtown area of Los Angeles, on July 1, 2025. Mario Tama/Getty Images
"Death threats, attacks up over 1,000 percent," Homan said in a recent interview on "The Alex Marlow Show" podcast, attributing the escalation to "hateful rhetoric" by some media figures and politicians who compare ICE to Nazis or the Gestapo.

He said the Department of Justice (DOJ) is already investigating the financing of organized groups that attack ICE agents and facilities in a coordinated way.
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In reply to Gulfstream4 • 7:17p, 10/22/25
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Well said Newt!

Stop condescending to our ally Ukraine while coddling Putin.

However supportable Israel's war with Hamas is (and it is highly supportable), our direct interests are served equally well by fully supporting Ukraine in their stand against unilateral Russian aggression.


Ukraine can not win a war with Russia without boots on the ground. The money we give them, a lot of it is stolen away in corruption. The military equipment, they must be trained on and we pay for that too. Their own citizens don't want to fight. They rather disco the night away or better yet go to another country and leave that third world sh*thole behind.

So, are ready to send your kids? Your nephews? Your neighbors kids? You want to go off and win the war because Putin bad…Trump bad….get Trump….okay, but it's not going to be pretty. Be careful what you're asking for.


Yeah man, Putin is bad. Why do you and so many others seem so eager to sugarcoat this?

You like to talk about the costs of supporting Ukraine but what are the costs of watching an authoritarian regime's aggression go unchecked and trying to change the border of a sovereign nation by force? Why would we not stand with a Western ally and democratic nation under threat? What message would abandoning Ukraine send to China, Iran, and North Korea?

The US and the West's efforts to date have already signficantly reduced Russia's ability to project power. Ukraine doesn't need to win the war, they just need to continue fighting Russia to nominally better than a stalemate, and they're absolutely doing that. Russia has been in an economically and militarily compromised position for years and barring an incredibly stupid and shortsighted abandonment of Ukraine by the West, Russia's position will continue to weaken over time.

Now, if only there was something we could do from afar, with our Western allies, to apply significant economic pressure on Russia...


So just keep doing what we're doing and the war goes on forever? No thanks. Are you willing to send your kids (troops) over there and end this? Yes or no?


Oh man, seems like Team Trump identified a way to pressure Russia without putting boots on the ground. Seems like I've heard this somewhere before!
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In reply to Civilized • 7:23p, 10/22/25
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Well said Newt!

Stop condescending to our ally Ukraine while coddling Putin.

However supportable Israel's war with Hamas is (and it is highly supportable), our direct interests are served equally well by fully supporting Ukraine in their stand against unilateral Russian aggression.


Ukraine can not win a war with Russia without boots on the ground. The money we give them, a lot of it is stolen away in corruption. The military equipment, they must be trained on and we pay for that too. Their own citizens don't want to fight. They rather disco the night away or better yet go to another country and leave that third world sh*thole behind.

So, are ready to send your kids? Your nephews? Your neighbors kids? You want to go off and win the war because Putin bad…Trump bad….get Trump….okay, but it's not going to be pretty. Be careful what you're asking for.


Yeah man, Putin is bad. Why do you and so many others seem so eager to sugarcoat this?

You like to talk about the costs of supporting Ukraine but what are the costs of watching an authoritarian regime's aggression go unchecked and trying to change the border of a sovereign nation by force? Why would we not stand with a Western ally and democratic nation under threat? What message would abandoning Ukraine send to China, Iran, and North Korea?

The US and the West's efforts to date have already signficantly reduced Russia's ability to project power. Ukraine doesn't need to win the war, they just need to continue fighting Russia to nominally better than a stalemate, and they're absolutely doing that. Russia has been in an economically and militarily compromised position for years and barring an incredibly stupid and shortsighted abandonment of Ukraine by the West, Russia's position will continue to weaken over time.

Now, if only there was something we could do from afar, with our Western allies, to apply significant economic pressure on Russia...


So just keep doing what we're doing and the war goes on forever? No thanks. Are you willing to send your kids (troops) over there and end this? Yes or no?


Oh man, seems like Team Trump identified a way to pressure Russia without putting boots on the ground. Seems like I've heard this somewhere before!


Great. Well done Mr. President?
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8:20p, 10/22/25
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In reply to Civilized • 8:26p, 10/22/25
#Sieve; it will be much much worse for your Democrats than this here. I told you so....
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8:50p, 10/22/25
I'd like to make a correction to an earlier post, it is my understanding the Rose Garden roses are intact, the renovation was just at the lawn area. I am cured of TDS now.
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Dems. Evil.

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9:27p, 10/22/25
#Sieve, Chicago's black American Citizens are coming for your Democrat politicians' seats. Hear the real truth, #Sieve.
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#Sieve, Chicago's black American Citizens are coming for your Democrat politicians' seats. Hear the real truth, #Sieve.


This is exactly why democrats want to import millions of illegals
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3:54a, 10/23/25
FYI. The company I fly for is now doing ICE flights. On this plane we have 300 illegals. From what I was told 6 are murderers, 3 rapist and 3 child molesters.

We are going to Romania (I get off the airplane) another crew goes to India, Sri Lanka then Vietnam.

This is what I voted for and it's cool to be just a small part of it.
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