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Let there be no doubt about Hollywood's leanings.
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Who really controls Al Qaeda?
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In reply to jkpackfan • 11:30p, 10/2/25
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SmaptyWolf said:
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I remember the good ole days when healthcare was affordable and I didn't need subsidies.

Lol, which good ole days were those? Health insurance has gotten a little crappier yet more expensive each year since it was invented.

Except it used to be "health care" that would drop you the second you got sick, and 30 million fewer people (including the MAGA voters I was just talking about) had any at all.

Thanks Obama!

Well it's 100 times crappier now and a lot more expensive. Thanks Obama for putting it on the backs of the middle class!

I'm sure that's what Fox News tells you 80 times a day. Because you have permanent ODS.

The lower and middle class are the exact ones getting shafted. This doesn't really affect subsidies for "the poors". The billionaires thank you for your service.

Lol my life goes on regardless. You on the other hand go to bed and wake up everyday thinking about Trump!!!!

Riiiiiiiight. MAGA's entire party "platform" was created because Obama made fun of Trump that one time.

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In reply to SmaptyWolf • 11:33p, 10/2/25
Where do you think Obama's gonna be living next year, rent free?
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In reply to jkpackfan • 12:27a, 10/3/25
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Here in lies the crux of the issue, you can't turn away patients. This is going to be an unpopular opinion, but what if as a stop gap UNTIL there is better immigration policy (by this I mean increasing visas) to allow for Urgent Cares to bill Medicad for illegal immigrant patients? Is far cheaper than the ER and also relieves pressures on Hospital systems.

Seems like a pretty decent compromise for now. You could package this with an immigration bill and it would be a win for everyone.
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In reply to hokiewolf • 5:47a, 10/3/25
hokiewolf said:
jkpackfan said:



Here in lies the crux of the issue, you can't turn away patients. This is going to be an unpopular opinion, but what if as a stop gap UNTIL there is better immigration policy (by this I mean increasing visas) to allow for Urgent Cares to bill Medicad for illegal immigrant patients? Is far cheaper than the ER and also relieves pressures on Hospital systems.

Seems like a pretty decent compromise for now. You could package this with an immigration bill and it would be a win for everyone.

Yeah I didn't say you could, just thought it was worthy of posting. It's a big issue though
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In reply to SmaptyWolf • 5:48a, 10/3/25
SmaptyWolf said:
jkpackfan said:
SmaptyWolf said:
jkpackfan said:
SmaptyWolf said:
jkpackfan said:
I remember the good ole days when healthcare was affordable and I didn't need subsidies.

Lol, which good ole days were those? Health insurance has gotten a little crappier yet more expensive each year since it was invented.

Except it used to be "health care" that would drop you the second you got sick, and 30 million fewer people (including the MAGA voters I was just talking about) had any at all.

Thanks Obama!

Well it's 100 times crappier now and a lot more expensive. Thanks Obama for putting it on the backs of the middle class!

I'm sure that's what Fox News tells you 80 times a day. Because you have permanent ODS.

The lower and middle class are the exact ones getting shafted. This doesn't really affect subsidies for "the poors". The billionaires thank you for your service.

Lol my life goes on regardless. You on the other hand go to bed and wake up everyday thinking about Trump!!!!

Riiiiiiiight. MAGA's entire party "platform" was created because Obama made fun of Trump that one time.


OMG TRUMP!!!!!!!!!!!
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6:50a, 10/3/25
Do we see what's building behind the scenes to censor free speech, digital ID snd CBDC? It's a globalist move.
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In reply to jkpackfan • 6:57a, 10/3/25
jkpackfan said:
SmaptyWolf said:
jkpackfan said:
SmaptyWolf said:
jkpackfan said:
SmaptyWolf said:
jkpackfan said:
I remember the good ole days when healthcare was affordable and I didn't need subsidies.

Lol, which good ole days were those? Health insurance has gotten a little crappier yet more expensive each year since it was invented.

Except it used to be "health care" that would drop you the second you got sick, and 30 million fewer people (including the MAGA voters I was just talking about) had any at all.

Thanks Obama!

Well it's 100 times crappier now and a lot more expensive. Thanks Obama for putting it on the backs of the middle class!

I'm sure that's what Fox News tells you 80 times a day. Because you have permanent ODS.

The lower and middle class are the exact ones getting shafted. This doesn't really affect subsidies for "the poors". The billionaires thank you for your service.

Lol my life goes on regardless. You on the other hand go to bed and wake up everyday thinking about Trump!!!!

Riiiiiiiight. MAGA's entire party "platform" was created because Obama made fun of Trump that one time.


OMG TRUMP!!!!!!!!!!!


That dude is truly a nut job.
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In reply to packgrad • 7:24a, 10/3/25
packgrad said:
jkpackfan said:
SmaptyWolf said:
jkpackfan said:
SmaptyWolf said:
jkpackfan said:
SmaptyWolf said:
jkpackfan said:
I remember the good ole days when healthcare was affordable and I didn't need subsidies.

Lol, which good ole days were those? Health insurance has gotten a little crappier yet more expensive each year since it was invented.

Except it used to be "health care" that would drop you the second you got sick, and 30 million fewer people (including the MAGA voters I was just talking about) had any at all.

Thanks Obama!

Well it's 100 times crappier now and a lot more expensive. Thanks Obama for putting it on the backs of the middle class!

I'm sure that's what Fox News tells you 80 times a day. Because you have permanent ODS.

The lower and middle class are the exact ones getting shafted. This doesn't really affect subsidies for "the poors". The billionaires thank you for your service.

Lol my life goes on regardless. You on the other hand go to bed and wake up everyday thinking about Trump!!!!

Riiiiiiiight. MAGA's entire party "platform" was created because Obama made fun of Trump that one time.


OMG TRUMP!!!!!!!!!!!


That dude is truly a nut job.

Yeah I get a little joy out of knowing how obsessed he is and we still have 3+ years to go lol.
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In reply to jkpackfan • 7:54a, 10/3/25
jkpackfan said:
hokiewolf said:
jkpackfan said:



Here in lies the crux of the issue, you can't turn away patients. This is going to be an unpopular opinion, but what if as a stop gap UNTIL there is better immigration policy (by this I mean increasing visas) to allow for Urgent Cares to bill Medicad for illegal immigrant patients? Is far cheaper than the ER and also relieves pressures on Hospital systems.

Seems like a pretty decent compromise for now. You could package this with an immigration bill and it would be a win for everyone.

Yeah I didn't say you could, just thought it was worthy of posting. It's a big issue though
i was just adding to your discussion, not accusing you of anything. My apologies if it came across that way. I agree, it's a huge issue, especially here in NC and rural county hospital systems.
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In reply to hokiewolf • 8:49a, 10/3/25
hokiewolf said:
jkpackfan said:
hokiewolf said:
jkpackfan said:



Here in lies the crux of the issue, you can't turn away patients. This is going to be an unpopular opinion, but what if as a stop gap UNTIL there is better immigration policy (by this I mean increasing visas) to allow for Urgent Cares to bill Medicad for illegal immigrant patients? Is far cheaper than the ER and also relieves pressures on Hospital systems.

Seems like a pretty decent compromise for now. You could package this with an immigration bill and it would be a win for everyone.

Yeah I didn't say you could, just thought it was worthy of posting. It's a big issue though
i was just adding to your discussion, not accusing you of anything. My apologies if it came across that way. I agree, it's a huge issue, especially here in NC and rural county hospital systems.


Gotcha. All good no worries.
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In reply to hokiewolf • 9:03a, 10/3/25
hokiewolf said:
jkpackfan said:
hokiewolf said:
jkpackfan said:



Here in lies the crux of the issue, you can't turn away patients. This is going to be an unpopular opinion, but what if as a stop gap UNTIL there is better immigration policy (by this I mean increasing visas) to allow for Urgent Cares to bill Medicad for illegal immigrant patients? Is far cheaper than the ER and also relieves pressures on Hospital systems.

Seems like a pretty decent compromise for now. You could package this with an immigration bill and it would be a win for everyone.

Yeah I didn't say you could, just thought it was worthy of posting. It's a big issue though

i was just adding to your discussion, not accusing you of anything. My apologies if it came across that way. I agree, it's a huge issue, especially here in NC and rural county hospital systems.

Its a massive issue across the country. Ive worked with plenty of hospitals that have issues with the ER not being able to legally turn people away. That is a law that gets taken advantage of massively.

People always want to talk about lowering healthcare costs, but no one wants to have the hard conversation about what that will actually entail. A LOT of hard decisions would need to be made that many will see as inhumane.
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In reply to Werewolf • 9:04a, 10/3/25
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Don't care for another war, but would like to see Venezuela free again. Back in the day, Venezuelan women were renowned for their beauty. Guess Trump is trying to open up another market.
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In reply to FlossyDFlynt • 10:03a, 10/3/25
FlossyDFlynt said:
hokiewolf said:
jkpackfan said:
hokiewolf said:
jkpackfan said:



Here in lies the crux of the issue, you can't turn away patients. This is going to be an unpopular opinion, but what if as a stop gap UNTIL there is better immigration policy (by this I mean increasing visas) to allow for Urgent Cares to bill Medicad for illegal immigrant patients? Is far cheaper than the ER and also relieves pressures on Hospital systems.

Seems like a pretty decent compromise for now. You could package this with an immigration bill and it would be a win for everyone.

Yeah I didn't say you could, just thought it was worthy of posting. It's a big issue though

i was just adding to your discussion, not accusing you of anything. My apologies if it came across that way. I agree, it's a huge issue, especially here in NC and rural county hospital systems.

Its a massive issue across the country. Ive worked with plenty of hospitals that have issues with the ER not being able to legally turn people away. That is a law that gets taken advantage of massively.

People always want to talk about lowering healthcare costs, but no one wants to have the hard conversation about what that will actually entail. A LOT of hard decisions would need to be made that many will see as inhumane.


One of my big questions is that by law it seems ER's can discharge you or refer you, they just have to screen you to see if you need stabilization or emergency care.

The way the law is written it doesn't require that an ER admit you for a hangnail or a common cold, nor should it.

So to say ER's "can't turn you away" isn't nuanced enough; its seems like they legally can and should if your condition isn't serious, but I'd love to hear from any medical professionals on here about how ER screening is performed so as not to admit patients to the ER that don't require emergency care or stabilization.
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In reply to Civilized • 10:09a, 10/3/25
Civilized said:
FlossyDFlynt said:
hokiewolf said:
jkpackfan said:
hokiewolf said:
jkpackfan said:



Here in lies the crux of the issue, you can't turn away patients. This is going to be an unpopular opinion, but what if as a stop gap UNTIL there is better immigration policy (by this I mean increasing visas) to allow for Urgent Cares to bill Medicad for illegal immigrant patients? Is far cheaper than the ER and also relieves pressures on Hospital systems.

Seems like a pretty decent compromise for now. You could package this with an immigration bill and it would be a win for everyone.

Yeah I didn't say you could, just thought it was worthy of posting. It's a big issue though

i was just adding to your discussion, not accusing you of anything. My apologies if it came across that way. I agree, it's a huge issue, especially here in NC and rural county hospital systems.

Its a massive issue across the country. Ive worked with plenty of hospitals that have issues with the ER not being able to legally turn people away. That is a law that gets taken advantage of massively.

People always want to talk about lowering healthcare costs, but no one wants to have the hard conversation about what that will actually entail. A LOT of hard decisions would need to be made that many will see as inhumane.


One of my big questions is that by law it seems ER's can discharge you or refer you, they just have to screen you to see if you need stabilization or emergency care.

The way the law is written it doesn't require that an ER admit you for a hangnail or a common cold, nor should it.

So to say ER's "can't turn you away" isn't nuanced enough; its seems like they legally can and should if your condition isn't serious, but I'd love to hear from any medical professionals on here about how ER screening is performed so as not to admit patients to the ER that don't require emergency care or stabilization.

Well, in your example, the hang nail/common cold patients get triaged and wait forever and usually eventually leave. The issue is more that people will complain with much worse "issues" to take advantage of the system. One place in New Jersey I worked had issues with homeless people complaining of chest pain to get admitted for a warm place to sleep and a meal. Another place I worked in Philly had parents who would bring their kids in on Friday saying they had a seizure so the kids would get admitted for observation to basically serve as a babysitter for their kids over the weekend. People learn what to complain about to specifically get the outcome they want.
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In reply to Oldsouljer • 11:13a, 10/3/25
I have a young UF graduate of Venezuelans descent who is very religious and polite young man recently married. He tells me that his father is Baptist, which shocked me. He tells me his father pray for the day that he can go home. His mother loves South Florida . They fled Venezuela.

Venezuelan Baptist, who could have thunk it up! :-)
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11:46a, 10/3/25
Dems mocked after gov't shutdown livestream gets only 400 viewers: 'Party of 18% approval

https://nypost.com/2025/10/02/us-news/democrats-mocked-after-government-shutdown-livestream-gets-few-viewers-party-of-18-approval-and-sinking/
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LOLOLOL-There are more people watching the WNBA than watching the democrats live stream.
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In reply to Gulfstream4 • 11:50a, 10/3/25
Gulfstream4 said:
Dems mocked after gov't shutdown livestream gets only 400 viewers: 'Party of 18% approval

https://nypost.com/2025/10/02/us-news/democrats-mocked-after-government-shutdown-livestream-gets-few-viewers-party-of-18-approval-and-sinking/
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LOLOLOL-There are more people watching the WNBA than watching the democrats live stream.

15-20% is the real approval # for the Dimms.
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In reply to FlossyDFlynt • 12:11p, 10/3/25
FlossyDFlynt said:
hokiewolf said:
jkpackfan said:
hokiewolf said:
jkpackfan said:



Here in lies the crux of the issue, you can't turn away patients. This is going to be an unpopular opinion, but what if as a stop gap UNTIL there is better immigration policy (by this I mean increasing visas) to allow for Urgent Cares to bill Medicad for illegal immigrant patients? Is far cheaper than the ER and also relieves pressures on Hospital systems.

Seems like a pretty decent compromise for now. You could package this with an immigration bill and it would be a win for everyone.

Yeah I didn't say you could, just thought it was worthy of posting. It's a big issue though

i was just adding to your discussion, not accusing you of anything. My apologies if it came across that way. I agree, it's a huge issue, especially here in NC and rural county hospital systems.

Its a massive issue across the country. Ive worked with plenty of hospitals that have issues with the ER not being able to legally turn people away. That is a law that gets taken advantage of massively.

People always want to talk about lowering healthcare costs, but no one wants to have the hard conversation about what that will actually entail. A LOT of hard decisions would need to be made that many will see as inhumane.

It's just fascinating that whenever conservatives want to have "hard conversations" about health care they always instinctively jump right to the "inhumane" solutions that relatively speaking amount to a small fraction of the problem. What never comes up:
  • Company-provided health insurance has always been heavily subsidized, meaning that taxpayers pay for 80% of all health insurance (public and private), while the health insurance companies skim large amounts of cash for themselves, a.k.a. "a racket".
  • Reimbursements to the large health care conglomerates are astronomical... doctors and health care executives like Ferraris, malpractice insurance is high, there are just too many middlemen and layers of administrative costs needed to support our multi-payer system, etc.
Of course suggesting that moneyed interests might be abusing the system bigly for massive profit is class warfare, and nobody in the middle class wants to own up to being a fat ass and straining the system. It's way more comfortable and definitely not class warfare to just go after the unwashed masses who might be abusing the system to survive.

Some things never change.
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12:29p, 10/3/25
A message from YOUR PRESIDENT:

Being an N. C. State fan builds great character!
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In reply to SmaptyWolf • 12:32p, 10/3/25
SmaptyWolf said:
FlossyDFlynt said:
hokiewolf said:
jkpackfan said:
hokiewolf said:
jkpackfan said:



Here in lies the crux of the issue, you can't turn away patients. This is going to be an unpopular opinion, but what if as a stop gap UNTIL there is better immigration policy (by this I mean increasing visas) to allow for Urgent Cares to bill Medicad for illegal immigrant patients? Is far cheaper than the ER and also relieves pressures on Hospital systems.

Seems like a pretty decent compromise for now. You could package this with an immigration bill and it would be a win for everyone.

Yeah I didn't say you could, just thought it was worthy of posting. It's a big issue though

i was just adding to your discussion, not accusing you of anything. My apologies if it came across that way. I agree, it's a huge issue, especially here in NC and rural county hospital systems.

Its a massive issue across the country. Ive worked with plenty of hospitals that have issues with the ER not being able to legally turn people away. That is a law that gets taken advantage of massively.

People always want to talk about lowering healthcare costs, but no one wants to have the hard conversation about what that will actually entail. A LOT of hard decisions would need to be made that many will see as inhumane.

It's just fascinating that whenever conservatives want to have "hard conversations" about health care they always instinctively jump right to the "inhumane" solutions that relatively speaking amount to a small fraction of the problem. What never comes up:
  • Company-provided health insurance has always been heavily subsidized, meaning that taxpayers pay for 80% of all health insurance (public and private), while the health insurance companies skim large amounts of cash for themselves, a.k.a. "a racket".
  • Reimbursements to the large health care conglomerates are astronomical... doctors and health care executives like Ferraris, malpractice insurance is high, there are just too many middlemen and layers of administrative costs needed to support our multi-payer system, etc.
Of course suggesting that moneyed interests might be abusing the system bigly for massive profit is class warfare, and nobody in the middle class wants to own up to being a fat ass and straining the system. It's way more comfortable and definitely not class warfare to just go after the unwashed masses who might be abusing the system to survive.

Some things never change.
Good thing we're assassinating them and celebrating the perpetrator!
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In reply to Gulfstream4 • 12:55p, 10/3/25
Gulfstream4 said:
Dems mocked after gov't shutdown livestream gets only 400 viewers: 'Party of 18% approval

https://nypost.com/2025/10/02/us-news/democrats-mocked-after-government-shutdown-livestream-gets-few-viewers-party-of-18-approval-and-sinking/
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LOLOLOL-There are more people watching the WNBA than watching the democrats live stream.

Lmfao
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In reply to hokiewolf • 1:07p, 10/3/25
hokiewolf said:
SmaptyWolf said:
FlossyDFlynt said:
hokiewolf said:
jkpackfan said:
hokiewolf said:
jkpackfan said:



Here in lies the crux of the issue, you can't turn away patients. This is going to be an unpopular opinion, but what if as a stop gap UNTIL there is better immigration policy (by this I mean increasing visas) to allow for Urgent Cares to bill Medicad for illegal immigrant patients? Is far cheaper than the ER and also relieves pressures on Hospital systems.

Seems like a pretty decent compromise for now. You could package this with an immigration bill and it would be a win for everyone.

Yeah I didn't say you could, just thought it was worthy of posting. It's a big issue though

i was just adding to your discussion, not accusing you of anything. My apologies if it came across that way. I agree, it's a huge issue, especially here in NC and rural county hospital systems.

Its a massive issue across the country. Ive worked with plenty of hospitals that have issues with the ER not being able to legally turn people away. That is a law that gets taken advantage of massively.

People always want to talk about lowering healthcare costs, but no one wants to have the hard conversation about what that will actually entail. A LOT of hard decisions would need to be made that many will see as inhumane.

It's just fascinating that whenever conservatives want to have "hard conversations" about health care they always instinctively jump right to the "inhumane" solutions that relatively speaking amount to a small fraction of the problem. What never comes up:
  • Company-provided health insurance has always been heavily subsidized, meaning that taxpayers pay for 80% of all health insurance (public and private), while the health insurance companies skim large amounts of cash for themselves, a.k.a. "a racket".
  • Reimbursements to the large health care conglomerates are astronomical... doctors and health care executives like Ferraris, malpractice insurance is high, there are just too many middlemen and layers of administrative costs needed to support our multi-payer system, etc.
Of course suggesting that moneyed interests might be abusing the system bigly for massive profit is class warfare, and nobody in the middle class wants to own up to being a fat ass and straining the system. It's way more comfortable and definitely not class warfare to just go after the unwashed masses who might be abusing the system to survive.

Some things never change.

Good thing we're assassinating them and celebrating the perpetrator!

Republicans just assassinated a bunch of Americans who are about to lose their health insurance, and your hands are sore from high-fiving the perpetrators. Keep pretending they're all illegals, that helps. If only Saint Charlie were here he'd tell you it was the Christian thing to do.
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In reply to hokiewolf • 1:39p, 10/3/25
hokiewolf said:
SmaptyWolf said:
FlossyDFlynt said:
hokiewolf said:
jkpackfan said:
hokiewolf said:
jkpackfan said:



Here in lies the crux of the issue, you can't turn away patients. This is going to be an unpopular opinion, but what if as a stop gap UNTIL there is better immigration policy (by this I mean increasing visas) to allow for Urgent Cares to bill Medicad for illegal immigrant patients? Is far cheaper than the ER and also relieves pressures on Hospital systems.

Seems like a pretty decent compromise for now. You could package this with an immigration bill and it would be a win for everyone.

Yeah I didn't say you could, just thought it was worthy of posting. It's a big issue though

i was just adding to your discussion, not accusing you of anything. My apologies if it came across that way. I agree, it's a huge issue, especially here in NC and rural county hospital systems.

Its a massive issue across the country. Ive worked with plenty of hospitals that have issues with the ER not being able to legally turn people away. That is a law that gets taken advantage of massively.

People always want to talk about lowering healthcare costs, but no one wants to have the hard conversation about what that will actually entail. A LOT of hard decisions would need to be made that many will see as inhumane.

It's just fascinating that whenever conservatives want to have "hard conversations" about health care they always instinctively jump right to the "inhumane" solutions that relatively speaking amount to a small fraction of the problem. What never comes up:
  • Company-provided health insurance has always been heavily subsidized, meaning that taxpayers pay for 80% of all health insurance (public and private), while the health insurance companies skim large amounts of cash for themselves, a.k.a. "a racket".
  • Reimbursements to the large health care conglomerates are astronomical... doctors and health care executives like Ferraris, malpractice insurance is high, there are just too many middlemen and layers of administrative costs needed to support our multi-payer system, etc.
Of course suggesting that moneyed interests might be abusing the system bigly for massive profit is class warfare, and nobody in the middle class wants to own up to being a fat ass and straining the system. It's way more comfortable and definitely not class warfare to just go after the unwashed masses who might be abusing the system to survive.

Some things never change.

Good thing we're assassinating them and celebrating the perpetrator!

Sigh, I dont usually engage with Smapty's posts, but since it was quoted - youll notice I said nothing about health insurances or reimbursements. I brought up anecdotal things I have seen with my own two eyes. You say they are small fractions of problems, which is true. The scenarios I brought forth are small fractions, but its very indicative of a much larger problem with healthcare laws/rules/regulations. You might believe we live in some sort of utopia where people only go get healthcare when its needed, but the reality of the world we live in is thats not the case.

Much like the tax code, people are going to find loopholes and exploit them. Its just the reality of the world we live in
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In reply to SmaptyWolf • 1:59p, 10/3/25
SmaptyWolf said:
hokiewolf said:
SmaptyWolf said:
FlossyDFlynt said:
hokiewolf said:
jkpackfan said:
hokiewolf said:
jkpackfan said:



Here in lies the crux of the issue, you can't turn away patients. This is going to be an unpopular opinion, but what if as a stop gap UNTIL there is better immigration policy (by this I mean increasing visas) to allow for Urgent Cares to bill Medicad for illegal immigrant patients? Is far cheaper than the ER and also relieves pressures on Hospital systems.

Seems like a pretty decent compromise for now. You could package this with an immigration bill and it would be a win for everyone.

Yeah I didn't say you could, just thought it was worthy of posting. It's a big issue though

i was just adding to your discussion, not accusing you of anything. My apologies if it came across that way. I agree, it's a huge issue, especially here in NC and rural county hospital systems.

Its a massive issue across the country. Ive worked with plenty of hospitals that have issues with the ER not being able to legally turn people away. That is a law that gets taken advantage of massively.

People always want to talk about lowering healthcare costs, but no one wants to have the hard conversation about what that will actually entail. A LOT of hard decisions would need to be made that many will see as inhumane.

It's just fascinating that whenever conservatives want to have "hard conversations" about health care they always instinctively jump right to the "inhumane" solutions that relatively speaking amount to a small fraction of the problem. What never comes up:
  • Company-provided health insurance has always been heavily subsidized, meaning that taxpayers pay for 80% of all health insurance (public and private), while the health insurance companies skim large amounts of cash for themselves, a.k.a. "a racket".
  • Reimbursements to the large health care conglomerates are astronomical... doctors and health care executives like Ferraris, malpractice insurance is high, there are just too many middlemen and layers of administrative costs needed to support our multi-payer system, etc.
Of course suggesting that moneyed interests might be abusing the system bigly for massive profit is class warfare, and nobody in the middle class wants to own up to being a fat ass and straining the system. It's way more comfortable and definitely not class warfare to just go after the unwashed masses who might be abusing the system to survive.

Some things never change.

Good thing we're assassinating them and celebrating the perpetrator!

Republicans just assassinated a bunch of Americans who are about to lose their health insurance, and your hands are sore from high-fiving the perpetrators. Keep pretending they're all illegals, that helps. If only Saint Charlie were here he'd tell you it was the Christian thing to do.

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The illegals on this corner need a visit, really bad!
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In reply to FlossyDFlynt • 2:14p, 10/3/25
FlossyDFlynt said:
hokiewolf said:
SmaptyWolf said:
FlossyDFlynt said:
hokiewolf said:
jkpackfan said:
hokiewolf said:
jkpackfan said:



Here in lies the crux of the issue, you can't turn away patients. This is going to be an unpopular opinion, but what if as a stop gap UNTIL there is better immigration policy (by this I mean increasing visas) to allow for Urgent Cares to bill Medicad for illegal immigrant patients? Is far cheaper than the ER and also relieves pressures on Hospital systems.

Seems like a pretty decent compromise for now. You could package this with an immigration bill and it would be a win for everyone.

Yeah I didn't say you could, just thought it was worthy of posting. It's a big issue though

i was just adding to your discussion, not accusing you of anything. My apologies if it came across that way. I agree, it's a huge issue, especially here in NC and rural county hospital systems.

Its a massive issue across the country. Ive worked with plenty of hospitals that have issues with the ER not being able to legally turn people away. That is a law that gets taken advantage of massively.

People always want to talk about lowering healthcare costs, but no one wants to have the hard conversation about what that will actually entail. A LOT of hard decisions would need to be made that many will see as inhumane.

It's just fascinating that whenever conservatives want to have "hard conversations" about health care they always instinctively jump right to the "inhumane" solutions that relatively speaking amount to a small fraction of the problem. What never comes up:
  • Company-provided health insurance has always been heavily subsidized, meaning that taxpayers pay for 80% of all health insurance (public and private), while the health insurance companies skim large amounts of cash for themselves, a.k.a. "a racket".
  • Reimbursements to the large health care conglomerates are astronomical... doctors and health care executives like Ferraris, malpractice insurance is high, there are just too many middlemen and layers of administrative costs needed to support our multi-payer system, etc.
Of course suggesting that moneyed interests might be abusing the system bigly for massive profit is class warfare, and nobody in the middle class wants to own up to being a fat ass and straining the system. It's way more comfortable and definitely not class warfare to just go after the unwashed masses who might be abusing the system to survive.

Some things never change.

Good thing we're assassinating them and celebrating the perpetrator!

Sigh, I dont usually engage with Smapty's posts, but since it was quoted - youll notice I said nothing about health insurances or reimbursements. I brought up anecdotal things I have seen with my own two eyes. You say they are small fractions of problems, which is true. The scenarios I brought forth are small fractions, but its very indicative of a much larger problem with healthcare laws/rules/regulations. You might believe we live in some sort of utopia where people only go get healthcare when its needed, but the reality of the world we live in is thats not the case.

Much like the tax code, people are going to find loopholes and exploit them. Its just the reality of the world we live in

I'm very sure there are desperate people abusing the system any way they can, and that should be fixed. I guess I have marginally more patience for them than I do wealthy people abusing the system in ways that cost us far more, while they successfully redirect your anger back to the desperate people.
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From a post on FB!

Read it, Understand it!

I promise you it will piss you off! Is this really the America you want?

Joe legal works in construction, has a Social Security number and makes $25.00 per hour with taxes deducted.

Jose illegal also works in construction has no Social Security number and makes $15.00 per hour cash, under the table.

Ready?... now pay attention....

Joe legal: $25.00 per hour 40 hours = $1,000.00 per week or $52,000.00 per year. Now, take 31% away for State and Federal taxes. Joe legal now has $31,231.00.

Jose illegal: $15.00 an hour 40 hours = $600.00 per week or $31,200.00 per year. Jose illegal pays no taxes. Jose illegal now has $31,200.00.

Joe legal pays medical and dental insurance with limited coverage for his family at $600.00 per month, or $7,200.00 per year. Joe legal now has $24,031.00.

Jose illegal has full medical and dental coverage through the State and local clinics and emergency hospitals at a cost of $0.00 per year. Jose illegal still has $31,200.00.

Joe legal makes too much money and is not eligible for food stamps or welfare. Joe legal spends $500.00 per month for food or $6,000.00 per year. Joe legal now has $18,031.00.

Jose illegal has no documented income and is eligible for food stamps, WIC and welfare. Jose illegal still has $31,200.00.

Joe legal pays rent of 1,200.00 per month or $14,400.00 per year. Joe legal now has $9,631.00.

Jose illegal receives $500.00 per month Federal rent subsidy. Jose illegal pays out that $500.00 per month or $6,000.00 per year. Jose illegal still has $31,200.00.

Joe legal pays $200.00 per month or $2,400.00 per year for car insurance. Some of that is uninsured motorist insurance. Joe legal now has $7,231.00.

Jose illegal says, "We don't need no stinkin' insurance."... and still has $31,000.00.

Joe legal has to make his $7,231.00 stretch to pay utilities, gasoline.. etc.

Jose illegal has to make his $31,200.00 stretch to pay utilities, gasoline and what he sends out of the country every month....

Joe legal now works overtime on Saturdays or gets a part time job after work.

Jose illegal has nights and weekends off to enjoy with his family.

Joe legal's and Jose illegal's children both attend the same elementary school.

Joe legal pays for his children's lunches while...

Jose illegal's children get a government-sponsored lunch.

Jose illegal's children have an after school ESL program.

Joe legal's children go home.

Now, when they reach college age...

Joe legal's kids may not get into a State school and may not qualify for scholarships, grants or other tuition help, even though Joe has been paying for State schools through his taxes, while...

Jose illegal's kids go to the, 'head of the class' because they are a minority.

Joe legal and Jose illegal both benefit from the same police and fire services, but Joe paid for them and Jose did not.

Do you get it, now?

If we vote for or support any politician that supports illegal aliens,... we are part of the problem.

It's way PAST time to take a stand for America and Americans!
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