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You Trumpers need this water cooler like you need every other fantasy platform to banter about your idiotic and ignorant garbage. It's sad that you can't conjure enough independent thought to venture outside your safe cocoon of other morons.

We need adults to govern. Not vindictive, small, angry, and unserious toddlers dying on alters of ideology.

You ARE the enemy of the people with any sense, common or otherwise.

That said, I wish all of you the best. I'm a good person. You should try being the same.

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I'm just here for the cheap entertainment.

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It's sad to see a post like his. Adults to govern is so comical! We had so-called adults governing while trying hard to overthrow an election. You know, the same thing they blame Trump for doing.

that guy is not a serious person. Oh, that's right, he just said we aren't serious. In fact, I think he said some are toddlers.

The left and the big government pubs just can't stand losing!! Again, blaming Trump for something they are doing. Whatever?

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While we're asking Trump's government for Epstein docs, that reminds me! Now that Trump completely controls the Justice Department, why hasn't he released whatever "evidence" they have about the "stolen" 2020 election? There must be mountains of evidence, right? Seems like revealing that would have been a priority, assuming he's not just jerking you around again.

The unfortunate downside of having absolute power is that it immediately makes your entire conspiracy worldview look even stupider than it already did.

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I'm not a conspiracy person. I look at facts, and try to form an opinion. As I've stated so many times, I don't know everything and you don't either. You can continue to harp on the Democratic talking points, all you want. None of it makes it true. Unfortunately, you're too ****ing stupid to realize that.

It's been so clear, ever since you made your appearance here, that you are wrapped up in the talking points and/or conspiracies the Dems have perpetrated on everyone. You and your idol Schiff's conspiracies are falling apart slowly but surely.

its becoming time for you to show that you aren't as dumb as you've made yourself out to be…. Can you do it?

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Cary the "I don't know, and neither do you" thing only works when there hasn't been ample time and opportunity for evidence to be discovered in support of a particular hypothesis.

We can all say at this point, with certainty, that there was not consequential, outcome-altering fraud in 2020. Smapty is absolutely correct that if there was evidence of it, it would have come out long before now, and certainly once Trump again controlled the Justice Department.

It is just as it always seemed to be - a baseless lie broadcast by Trump because he has the fragile ego of a small child and couldn't take the L, and also to harm trust in institutions amongst the cult so that he could be viewed as some sort of savior for people from the Deep State.

You say you're not a conspiracy person, but in order to claim that convincingly, you have to man up and just acknowledge when conspiracies are clearly not true. We're well past that point with the 2020 election fraud fantasy.

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Civ, when I wrote that, I was referring to the Epstein stuff. Now, as far as the 2020 election, I agree… we haven't seen any further evidence to support a stolen election. That said, I still have a belief something was untoward. I also realize it's just a belief.

Regarding a baseless lie by Trump. Russia hoax was one of those?

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What exactly was a hoax?

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Civ, you really need to start watching and reading other news sources. If you're asking that question, I really am questioning your exposure of adequate news and information.

come on man… you can do better.

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LOL. So says the guy who only gets his news from Fox.

This Gabbard stuff is classic Trump distraction about a OMG BOMBSHELL REVELATION that's a half-truth and incomplete information and semantic games that don't alter the fundamentals determination that Russia meddled.

Gabbard's OMG BOMBSHELL documents show early intelligence community beliefs that Russia's vote-altering capacity was low. Nobody at this point is arguing otherwise.

But intelligence officials repeatedly acknowledged Russia conducted major hacking and influence operations to sow distrust and discord. They just didn't directly change actual vote counts. That nuance is key.

Pay attention to her actual words. It is widely acknowledged that Russia's activities did not gain them access to our election infrastructure so they could manipulate vote counts. Nobody is arguing otherwise.

Yes, there were intelligence reports in late 2016 stating Russia hadn't tampered with vote infrastructure.

Later evidence from Senate investigations to Mueller confirmed Russia had actively interfered via hacking and disinformation.

Gabbard's materials argue that earlier IC reports were deliberately dismissed, but they don't refute Mueller, Congress' investigation, or any similarly concluded investigations, and the overarching conclusion of Russian interference remains fully intact.

What Trump/Gabbard are absolutely correct about is that 99% of y'all won't spend half a second researching or thinking about anything or looking past the Fox News headline.

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The intelligence community said Russia didn't have capabilities to meddle in the election. Ok, great! That info was pulled and a team of people created their own intelligence and communicated it.

That, according to Tulsi Gabbard was the foundation for everything that followed. So, is it possible that all this evidence you quoted (Mueller, Congress, etc…) was based on a false premise?

The way I'm seeing things… that's exactly what happened.

This has nothing to do with Fox News (your boogie man); rather, it has all to do with the report released by Gabbard.

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why can't all of this be true:

- Intelligence briefings are a snapshot in time
- Russia tried to interfere in the election and failed
- Russia wasn't colluding with the Trump campaign
- Russia's attempts to interfere with the election increased as the elections got closer to happening
- Politics skewed this whole thing and continues to skew it

Seems a lot more logical than some evil deep state, which BTW hasn't been "uprooted" yet, probably because it doesn't exist.

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For all the people thinking Russia meddled in our election (2016)… well, your narrative is falling apart…

In fact, some of these documents Tulsi is releasing sure looks like a level of Treason happened. If so, every one of these people (I hope) should end up in jail. This appears to include Obama as a conspirator in this act.

Oh… we don't have a deep state! That's a loose cannon conspiracy theory that MAGA people believe in. Those people are loons! Who's looking like a loon now?

As I've said many times, about many issues… I don't know what the truth is and I'm willing to let this play out; however, at this point, some people in The Water Cooler may be vindicated. Some… well, they may end up looking like the conspiracy theorists loons…. Was the MSM perpetrating this conspiracy and did some on here buy into it?

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Some people need to go to prison over this bs but we know not one dang thing will happen. GOP is all talk

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You'd think MAGA would learn a lesson from the Epstein thing, but nope. It's not just all talk. It's the only playbook you guys have. Keep doubling down.

Remember Kash Patel doing the same thing on Fox News about Epstein that Tulsi is right now? "OMG there is so much evidence that they are actually the criminals, not us! You just wait!".

They're desperate to change the subject, because Trump knows he's in trouble. Tulsi is changing the subject and trying to convince you that there really is a Deep State Conspiracy, because this Epstein thing sure makes it pretty clear that they were playing you

You are falling for it. Again.

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You sound fearful and I like it.

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The fact that you guys are grown adults is pretty scary.

Did I mention that the site owners won't even set foot in the Water Cooler?

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You've called out James and co. too many times, we're all aware you want everyone that thinks differently than you banned. If it's that bad here you should try another site.

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I especially love it when he tries to do it on the sports board and it falls upon nothing but deaf ears... in fact, he may be the biggest idiot in the entire history of these boards.

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Yeah James just ignores it lol.

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Lol, I think you might be surprised to discover what the site owners actually think about you guys.

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You might be surprised that I could absolutely care less. You're the one that has such a problem with them and constantly calls them out. I'm only guilty of thinking differently than you and for that you think we should be reprimanded. I'm not going anywhere and have never done anything to come close to breaking board rules. You can run and cry to them all you want.

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I've called them out few times for allowing a couple posters in particular to spew endless anti-Semitic garbage. I never mentioned you idiots at all. Of course you heard it that way because being MAGA means being an aggrieved hypersensitive snowflake, ready to melt into a puddle of persecution at a moments notice. Which I'm sure is exactly why James and company tiptoe so lightly.

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It's their board and they will do what they think is best, it's absolutely none of your business how they run their company. Seriously who the hell do you think you are? Again if you have a problem with it you should go elsewhere.

You calling someone hypersensitive is pretty dang rich given how much you whine and cry about those that dare think differently than you. It makes me smile that it bothers you so much.

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Bro, peddling Jewish conspiracy theories over and over isn't hypersensitivity

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Bro where I have peddled or agreed with peddling Jewish conspiracy theories. Your post doesn't even make sense.

My point is it's not up to you or I how this board is policed and you can't accuse someone else of hypersensitivity when you're as guilty as anyone else.

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For all the people thinking Russia meddled in our election (2016)… well, your narrative is falling apart…

In fact, some of these documents Tulsi is releasing sure looks like a level of Treason happened. If so, every one of these people (I hope) should end up in jail. This appears to include Obama as a conspirator in this act.

Oh… we don't have a deep state! That's a loose cannon conspiracy theory that MAGA people believe in. Those people are loons! Who's looking like a loon now?

As I've said many times, about many issues… I don't know what the truth is and I'm willing to let this play out; however, at this point, some people in The Water Cooler may be vindicated. Some… well, they may end up looking like the conspiracy theorists loons…. Was the MSM perpetrating this conspiracy and did some on here buy into it?

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Some people need to go to prison over this bs but we know not one dang thing will happen. GOP is all talk

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You'd think MAGA would learn a lesson from the Epstein thing, but nope. It's not just all talk. It's the only playbook you guys have. Keep doubling down.

Remember Kash Patel doing the same thing on Fox News about Epstein that Tulsi is right now? "OMG there is so much evidence that they are actually the criminals, not us! You just wait!".

They're desperate to change the subject, because Trump knows he's in trouble. Tulsi is changing the subject and trying to convince you that there really is a Deep State Conspiracy, because this Epstein thing sure makes it pretty clear that they were playing you

You are falling for it. Again.

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You sound fearful and I like it.

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The fact that you guys are grown adults is pretty scary.

Did I mention that the site owners won't even set foot in the Water Cooler?

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You've called out James and co. too many times, we're all aware you want everyone that thinks differently than you banned. If it's that bad here you should try another site.

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I especially love it when he tries to do it on the sports board and it falls upon nothing but deaf ears... in fact, he may be the biggest idiot in the entire history of these boards.

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Yeah James just ignores it lol.

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Lol, I think you might be surprised to discover what the site owners actually think about you guys.

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You might be surprised that I could absolutely care less. You're the one that has such a problem with them and constantly calls them out. I'm only guilty of thinking differently than you and for that you think we should be reprimanded. I'm not going anywhere and have never done anything to come close to breaking board rules. You can run and cry to them all you want.

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I've called them out few times for allowing a couple posters in particular to spew endless anti-Semitic garbage. I never mentioned you idiots at all. Of course you heard it that way because being MAGA means being an aggrieved hypersensitive snowflake, ready to melt into a puddle of persecution at a moments notice. Which I'm sure is exactly why James and company tiptoe so lightly.

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It's their board and they will do what they think is best, it's absolutely none of your business how they run their company. Seriously who the hell do you think you are? Again if you have a problem with it you should go elsewhere.

You calling someone hypersensitive is pretty dang rich given how much you whine and cry about those that dare think differently than you. It makes me smile that it bothers you so much.

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Bro, peddling Jewish conspiracy theories over and over isn't hypersensitivity

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Bro where I have peddled or agreed with peddling Jewish conspiracy theories. Your post doesn't even make sense.

My point is it's not up to you or I how this board is policed and you can't accuse someone else of hypersensitivity when you're as guilty as anyone else.

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You haven't, but the impression of your response to Smapty's post that he's over reacting when he specifically stated that he is fine with political posts but not antisemitism and that's what he has talked to "management" about and you basically replied and told him to pound sand. Perhaps you should clarify your response?

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For all the people thinking Russia meddled in our election (2016)… well, your narrative is falling apart…

In fact, some of these documents Tulsi is releasing sure looks like a level of Treason happened. If so, every one of these people (I hope) should end up in jail. This appears to include Obama as a conspirator in this act.

Oh… we don't have a deep state! That's a loose cannon conspiracy theory that MAGA people believe in. Those people are loons! Who's looking like a loon now?

As I've said many times, about many issues… I don't know what the truth is and I'm willing to let this play out; however, at this point, some people in The Water Cooler may be vindicated. Some… well, they may end up looking like the conspiracy theorists loons…. Was the MSM perpetrating this conspiracy and did some on here buy into it?

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Some people need to go to prison over this bs but we know not one dang thing will happen. GOP is all talk

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You'd think MAGA would learn a lesson from the Epstein thing, but nope. It's not just all talk. It's the only playbook you guys have. Keep doubling down.

Remember Kash Patel doing the same thing on Fox News about Epstein that Tulsi is right now? "OMG there is so much evidence that they are actually the criminals, not us! You just wait!".

They're desperate to change the subject, because Trump knows he's in trouble. Tulsi is changing the subject and trying to convince you that there really is a Deep State Conspiracy, because this Epstein thing sure makes it pretty clear that they were playing you

You are falling for it. Again.

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You sound fearful and I like it.

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The fact that you guys are grown adults is pretty scary.

Did I mention that the site owners won't even set foot in the Water Cooler?

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You've called out James and co. too many times, we're all aware you want everyone that thinks differently than you banned. If it's that bad here you should try another site.

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I especially love it when he tries to do it on the sports board and it falls upon nothing but deaf ears... in fact, he may be the biggest idiot in the entire history of these boards.

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Yeah James just ignores it lol.

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Lol, I think you might be surprised to discover what the site owners actually think about you guys.

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You might be surprised that I could absolutely care less. You're the one that has such a problem with them and constantly calls them out. I'm only guilty of thinking differently than you and for that you think we should be reprimanded. I'm not going anywhere and have never done anything to come close to breaking board rules. You can run and cry to them all you want.

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I've called them out few times for allowing a couple posters in particular to spew endless anti-Semitic garbage. I never mentioned you idiots at all. Of course you heard it that way because being MAGA means being an aggrieved hypersensitive snowflake, ready to melt into a puddle of persecution at a moments notice. Which I'm sure is exactly why James and company tiptoe so lightly.

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It's their board and they will do what they think is best, it's absolutely none of your business how they run their company. Seriously who the hell do you think you are? Again if you have a problem with it you should go elsewhere.

You calling someone hypersensitive is pretty dang rich given how much you whine and cry about those that dare think differently than you. It makes me smile that it bothers you so much.

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Bro, peddling Jewish conspiracy theories over and over isn't hypersensitivity

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Bro where I have peddled or agreed with peddling Jewish conspiracy theories. Your post doesn't even make sense.

My point is it's not up to you or I how this board is policed and you can't accuse someone else of hypersensitivity when you're as guilty as anyone else.

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You haven't, but the impression of your response to Smapty's post that he's over reacting when he specifically stated that he is fine with political posts but not antisemitism and that's what he has talked to "management" about and you basically replied and told him to pound sand. Perhaps you should clarify your response?

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Lol cute.

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Tariffs, the miracle policy

An entire WSJ article about why US soda-makers don't use cane sugar (spoiler: we don't "make enough" lol) and not a single mention of highly-restrictive US sugar quotas that keep prices here WAY above global levels?

Cmon, man.https://t.co/gj7x14b4km pic.twitter.com/fxFEN6iG88

— Scott Lincicome (@scottlincicome) July 20, 2025

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So many economist, around this administration have different positions. Your continued post about tariffs and the Jones Act aren't going to move the needle. The ultimate results will, whether good or bad they are.

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how are we going to have RFK Jr healthy soda now tho?

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No idea. I quit drinking soda years ago, lost the taste for it probably when they went to sugar alternatives. If they bring back cane sugar again, I'll probably start drinking it again. No harm, though, I figure if I wait until I'm 65-70 to start smoking, I'll be alright, too.

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You Trumpers need this water cooler like you need every other fantasy platform to banter about your idiotic and ignorant garbage. It's sad that you can't conjure enough independent thought to venture outside your safe cocoon of other morons.

We need adults to govern. Not vindictive, small, angry, and unserious toddlers dying on alters of ideology.

You ARE the enemy of the people with any sense, common or otherwise.

That said, I wish all of you the best. I'm a good person. You should try being the same.

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I'm just here for the cheap entertainment.

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It's sad to see a post like his. Adults to govern is so comical! We had so-called adults governing while trying hard to overthrow an election. You know, the same thing they blame Trump for doing.

that guy is not a serious person. Oh, that's right, he just said we aren't serious. In fact, I think he said some are toddlers.

The left and the big government pubs just can't stand losing!! Again, blaming Trump for something they are doing. Whatever?

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While we're asking Trump's government for Epstein docs, that reminds me! Now that Trump completely controls the Justice Department, why hasn't he released whatever "evidence" they have about the "stolen" 2020 election? There must be mountains of evidence, right? Seems like revealing that would have been a priority, assuming he's not just jerking you around again.

The unfortunate downside of having absolute power is that it immediately makes your entire conspiracy worldview look even stupider than it already did.

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I'm not a conspiracy person. I look at facts, and try to form an opinion. As I've stated so many times, I don't know everything and you don't either. You can continue to harp on the Democratic talking points, all you want. None of it makes it true. Unfortunately, you're too ****ing stupid to realize that.

It's been so clear, ever since you made your appearance here, that you are wrapped up in the talking points and/or conspiracies the Dems have perpetrated on everyone. You and your idol Schiff's conspiracies are falling apart slowly but surely.

its becoming time for you to show that you aren't as dumb as you've made yourself out to be…. Can you do it?

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Cary the "I don't know, and neither do you" thing only works when there hasn't been ample time and opportunity for evidence to be discovered in support of a particular hypothesis.

We can all say at this point, with certainty, that there was not consequential, outcome-altering fraud in 2020. Smapty is absolutely correct that if there was evidence of it, it would have come out long before now, and certainly once Trump again controlled the Justice Department.

It is just as it always seemed to be - a baseless lie broadcast by Trump because he has the fragile ego of a small child and couldn't take the L, and also to harm trust in institutions amongst the cult so that he could be viewed as some sort of savior for people from the Deep State.

You say you're not a conspiracy person, but in order to claim that convincingly, you have to man up and just acknowledge when conspiracies are clearly not true. We're well past that point with the 2020 election fraud fantasy.

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Civ, when I wrote that, I was referring to the Epstein stuff. Now, as far as the 2020 election, I agree… we haven't seen any further evidence to support a stolen election. That said, I still have a belief something was untoward. I also realize it's just a belief.

Regarding a baseless lie by Trump. Russia hoax was one of those?

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What exactly was a hoax?

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Civ, you really need to start watching and reading other news sources. If you're asking that question, I really am questioning your exposure of adequate news and information.

come on man… you can do better.

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LOL. So says the guy who only gets his news from Fox.

This Gabbard stuff is classic Trump distraction about a OMG BOMBSHELL REVELATION that's a half-truth and incomplete information and semantic games that don't alter the fundamentals determination that Russia meddled.

Gabbard's OMG BOMBSHELL documents show early intelligence community beliefs that Russia's vote-altering capacity was low. Nobody at this point is arguing otherwise.

But intelligence officials repeatedly acknowledged Russia conducted major hacking and influence operations to sow distrust and discord. They just didn't directly change actual vote counts. That nuance is key.

Pay attention to her actual words. It is widely acknowledged that Russia's activities did not gain them access to our election infrastructure so they could manipulate vote counts. Nobody is arguing otherwise.

Yes, there were intelligence reports in late 2016 stating Russia hadn't tampered with vote infrastructure.

Later evidence from Senate investigations to Mueller confirmed Russia had actively interfered via hacking and disinformation.

Gabbard's materials argue that earlier IC reports were deliberately dismissed, but they don't refute Mueller, Congress' investigation, or any similarly concluded investigations, and the overarching conclusion of Russian interference remains fully intact.

What Trump/Gabbard are absolutely correct about is that 99% of y'all won't spend half a second researching or thinking about anything or looking past the Fox News headline.

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The intelligence community said Russia didn't have capabilities to meddle in the election. Ok, great! That info was pulled and a team of people created their own intelligence and communicated it.

That, according to Tulsi Gabbard was the foundation for everything that followed. So, is it possible that all this evidence you quoted (Mueller, Congress, etc…) was based on a false premise?

The way I'm seeing things… that's exactly what happened.

This has nothing to do with Fox News (your boogie man); rather, it has all to do with the report released by Gabbard.

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No they didn't. The intelligence community ultimately said Russia didn't alter vote counts, not that they didn't meddle.

No, Mueller and Congress' investigations aren't radically flawed.

This is Gabbard and Trump again trying to deflect and distract from the Epstein fiasco. They know they can use 'Obama' and 'conspiracy' in the same sentence and it's chum in the water for the easily distracted.

The Obama Administration is going to be 'investigated and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law'? Puh-lease.

I'll bet you $100 right now, payable to Savage Wolves by the loser, that no Obama staff member is ever convicted of anything, because they didn't do anything. It's unlikely they even get charged, although there's no telling with Trump Justice Department pulling the puppet strings.

It's not even in doubt at this point that Russia meddled. They meddled, and vote counts were not altered. Both of these things are true.

The rest of this is just an attempted smokescreen by Trump.

Mark Warner says it well:

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"The Senate Intel Committee unanimously concluded that Russia interfered in the 2016 election," he said in a post on X. "If there had been some Obama conspiracy, we would have found it. This latest lie is another sad, dangerous example of Tulsi Gabbard trying to rewrite history and erode trust in the [intelligence community]."

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If you think I'm wrong, take me up on my bet. $100 says no one is convicted, because there's no conspiracy.

that almost doesn't seem fair. You should take him up on it and I would suggest putting another 10,000 down each for a winner take all. You'll do well.

George Washington hung and shot by firing squad deserters, and what was the fate of Benedict Arnold? Some of you have live a cultured narrative of existence. Stay tuned.

🚨🚨🚨Alert: In the United States, the sentence for treason, as defined under Article III, Section 3 of the U.S. Constitution and codified in 18 U.S.C. § 2381, is DEATH!! The law states that whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to… pic.twitter.com/jMCqlE0G0D

— US Homeland Security News (@defense_civil25) July 20, 2025

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For all the people thinking Russia meddled in our election (2016)… well, your narrative is falling apart…

In fact, some of these documents Tulsi is releasing sure looks like a level of Treason happened. If so, every one of these people (I hope) should end up in jail. This appears to include Obama as a conspirator in this act.

Oh… we don't have a deep state! That's a loose cannon conspiracy theory that MAGA people believe in. Those people are loons! Who's looking like a loon now?

As I've said many times, about many issues… I don't know what the truth is and I'm willing to let this play out; however, at this point, some people in The Water Cooler may be vindicated. Some… well, they may end up looking like the conspiracy theorists loons…. Was the MSM perpetrating this conspiracy and did some on here buy into it?

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Some people need to go to prison over this bs but we know not one dang thing will happen. GOP is all talk

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You'd think MAGA would learn a lesson from the Epstein thing, but nope. It's not just all talk. It's the only playbook you guys have. Keep doubling down.

Remember Kash Patel doing the same thing on Fox News about Epstein that Tulsi is right now? "OMG there is so much evidence that they are actually the criminals, not us! You just wait!".

They're desperate to change the subject, because Trump knows he's in trouble. Tulsi is changing the subject and trying to convince you that there really is a Deep State Conspiracy, because this Epstein thing sure makes it pretty clear that they were playing you

You are falling for it. Again.

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You sound fearful and I like it.

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The fact that you guys are grown adults is pretty scary.

Did I mention that the site owners won't even set foot in the Water Cooler?

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You've called out James and co. too many times, we're all aware you want everyone that thinks differently than you banned. If it's that bad here you should try another site.

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I especially love it when he tries to do it on the sports board and it falls upon nothing but deaf ears... in fact, he may be the biggest idiot in the entire history of these boards.

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Yeah James just ignores it lol.

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Lol, I think you might be surprised to discover what the site owners actually think about you guys.

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You might be surprised that I could absolutely care less. You're the one that has such a problem with them and constantly calls them out. I'm only guilty of thinking differently than you and for that you think we should be reprimanded. I'm not going anywhere and have never done anything to come close to breaking board rules. You can run and cry to them all you want.

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I've called them out few times for allowing a couple posters in particular to spew endless anti-Semitic garbage. I never mentioned you idiots at all. Of course you heard it that way because being MAGA means being an aggrieved hypersensitive snowflake, ready to melt into a puddle of persecution at a moments notice. Which I'm sure is exactly why James and company tiptoe so lightly.

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It's their board and they will do what they think is best, it's absolutely none of your business how they run their company. Seriously who the hell do you think you are? Again if you have a problem with it you should go elsewhere.

You calling someone hypersensitive is pretty dang rich given how much you whine and cry about those that dare think differently than you. It makes me smile that it bothers you so much.

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Bro, peddling Jewish conspiracy theories over and over isn't hypersensitivity

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Bro where I have peddled or agreed with peddling Jewish conspiracy theories. Your post doesn't even make sense.

My point is it's not up to you or I how this board is policed and you can't accuse someone else of hypersensitivity when you're as guilty as anyone else.

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You haven't, but the impression of your response to Smapty's post that he's over reacting when he specifically stated that he is fine with political posts but not antisemitism and that's what he has talked to "management" about and you basically replied and told him to pound sand. Perhaps you should clarify your response?

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Well, now taking the fallback position that it's just the anti-semitic posters that he was talking about when neither of them were active in this thread at the time and he was directly engaging multiple other posters that have never posted such idiocy on here, somewhat begs the question - perhaps you should clarify your response.

I'd love to see those posting anti-semitic tripe here to be banned, and I've openly called for it here multiple times in the past, including again here fairly recently... so, you can just ****ing pack up that broad brush of yours and shove it up your ass as far as I am concerned.

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well sorry Storm , but very few here have challenged the bull **** spewed here constantly, you have been one of the few. Everyone else here is silent and complacent until they decide to challenge antisemitism here. So, I do not apologize for challenging the fact that people remain silent. I don't know anyone here personally, and I've only met Cary and Glass once. I do not know one's intentions when they remain silent on obvious posts.

If you don't want to be painted with a broad brush then push back on those two guys and not make their posts be a normal ok occurrences here

#Sieve, i will take your money, make it worth my while. Straight up, friend!

“Since the documents were released, whistleblowers have come forward…”
-Tulsi Gabbard (Director of National Intelligence) on FOX Sunday morning futures with Maria Bartiromo. pic.twitter.com/X8g8F10KYo

— Elizabeth For TRUMP! (@Eliz_Hightower) July 20, 2025

I understand there will be a drop this coming week relative to the FISA docs.

Ultimately, this is where is gets really interesting with this guy, Stefan Halper.

By the way, where is Stefan Halper?

Or Stefan Halper.

They overlook Washington Free Beacon / Paul Singer as well. https://t.co/T69NtQ4kTn

— Rebecca Ramaley (@RebeccaRamaley) July 20, 2025

Especially remember Stefan Halper https://t.co/t0a6L7A8Ef

— Adam Leonard (@AdamLeo24699204) July 20, 2025

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For all the people thinking Russia meddled in our election (2016)… well, your narrative is falling apart…

In fact, some of these documents Tulsi is releasing sure looks like a level of Treason happened. If so, every one of these people (I hope) should end up in jail. This appears to include Obama as a conspirator in this act.

Oh… we don't have a deep state! That's a loose cannon conspiracy theory that MAGA people believe in. Those people are loons! Who's looking like a loon now?

As I've said many times, about many issues… I don't know what the truth is and I'm willing to let this play out; however, at this point, some people in The Water Cooler may be vindicated. Some… well, they may end up looking like the conspiracy theorists loons…. Was the MSM perpetrating this conspiracy and did some on here buy into it?

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Some people need to go to prison over this bs but we know not one dang thing will happen. GOP is all talk

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You'd think MAGA would learn a lesson from the Epstein thing, but nope. It's not just all talk. It's the only playbook you guys have. Keep doubling down.

Remember Kash Patel doing the same thing on Fox News about Epstein that Tulsi is right now? "OMG there is so much evidence that they are actually the criminals, not us! You just wait!".

They're desperate to change the subject, because Trump knows he's in trouble. Tulsi is changing the subject and trying to convince you that there really is a Deep State Conspiracy, because this Epstein thing sure makes it pretty clear that they were playing you

You are falling for it. Again.

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You sound fearful and I like it.

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The fact that you guys are grown adults is pretty scary.

Did I mention that the site owners won't even set foot in the Water Cooler?

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You've called out James and co. too many times, we're all aware you want everyone that thinks differently than you banned. If it's that bad here you should try another site.

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I especially love it when he tries to do it on the sports board and it falls upon nothing but deaf ears... in fact, he may be the biggest idiot in the entire history of these boards.

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Yeah James just ignores it lol.

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Lol, I think you might be surprised to discover what the site owners actually think about you guys.

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You might be surprised that I could absolutely care less. You're the one that has such a problem with them and constantly calls them out. I'm only guilty of thinking differently than you and for that you think we should be reprimanded. I'm not going anywhere and have never done anything to come close to breaking board rules. You can run and cry to them all you want.

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I've called them out few times for allowing a couple posters in particular to spew endless anti-Semitic garbage. I never mentioned you idiots at all. Of course you heard it that way because being MAGA means being an aggrieved hypersensitive snowflake, ready to melt into a puddle of persecution at a moments notice. Which I'm sure is exactly why James and company tiptoe so lightly.

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It's their board and they will do what they think is best, it's absolutely none of your business how they run their company. Seriously who the hell do you think you are? Again if you have a problem with it you should go elsewhere.

You calling someone hypersensitive is pretty dang rich given how much you whine and cry about those that dare think differently than you. It makes me smile that it bothers you so much.

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Bro, peddling Jewish conspiracy theories over and over isn't hypersensitivity

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Bro where I have peddled or agreed with peddling Jewish conspiracy theories. Your post doesn't even make sense.

My point is it's not up to you or I how this board is policed and you can't accuse someone else of hypersensitivity when you're as guilty as anyone else.

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You haven't, but the impression of your response to Smapty's post that he's over reacting when he specifically stated that he is fine with political posts but not antisemitism and that's what he has talked to "management" about and you basically replied and told him to pound sand. Perhaps you should clarify your response?

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Well, now taking the fallback position that it's just the anti-semitic posters that he was talking about when neither of them were active in this thread at the time and he was directly engaging multiple other posters that have never posted such idiocy on here, somewhat begs the question - perhaps you should clarify your response.

I'd love to see those posting anti-semitic tripe here to be banned, and I've openly called for it here multiple times in the past, including again here fairly recently... so, you can just ****ing pack up that broad brush of yours and shove it up your ass as far as I am concerned.

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Lol, if only there was a way to check! Oh, there is! Here are the last two times I've mentioned the Water Cooler in the main forums. I'm happy to find the third one if you're a slow learner:

https://insidepacksports.com/forums/2/topics/37823/replies/1300270

https://insidepacksports.com/s/15854/ips-in-5-just-blow-it-up/2/replies/1274843

Notice who I'm talking about, very specifically? In both case the usual suspects had actually just barfed a bunch of antisemitic bile in the WC... again (I guess you didn't notice?)... and I'd had the same conversation about it with the IPS crew behind the the scenes... again... soon after.

And of course, right after those posts YOU and the rest of the MAGA flying monkeys immediately started tearing at your clothes bawling about OMG censorship and how ridiculous it was that I was talking about the water cooler in the main threads.

So yeah, you can shove it up your ass, actually.

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You Trumpers need this water cooler like you need every other fantasy platform to banter about your idiotic and ignorant garbage. It's sad that you can't conjure enough independent thought to venture outside your safe cocoon of other morons.

We need adults to govern. Not vindictive, small, angry, and unserious toddlers dying on alters of ideology.

You ARE the enemy of the people with any sense, common or otherwise.

That said, I wish all of you the best. I'm a good person. You should try being the same.

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I'm just here for the cheap entertainment.

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It's sad to see a post like his. Adults to govern is so comical! We had so-called adults governing while trying hard to overthrow an election. You know, the same thing they blame Trump for doing.

that guy is not a serious person. Oh, that's right, he just said we aren't serious. In fact, I think he said some are toddlers.

The left and the big government pubs just can't stand losing!! Again, blaming Trump for something they are doing. Whatever?

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While we're asking Trump's government for Epstein docs, that reminds me! Now that Trump completely controls the Justice Department, why hasn't he released whatever "evidence" they have about the "stolen" 2020 election? There must be mountains of evidence, right? Seems like revealing that would have been a priority, assuming he's not just jerking you around again.

The unfortunate downside of having absolute power is that it immediately makes your entire conspiracy worldview look even stupider than it already did.

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I'm not a conspiracy person. I look at facts, and try to form an opinion. As I've stated so many times, I don't know everything and you don't either. You can continue to harp on the Democratic talking points, all you want. None of it makes it true. Unfortunately, you're too ****ing stupid to realize that.

It's been so clear, ever since you made your appearance here, that you are wrapped up in the talking points and/or conspiracies the Dems have perpetrated on everyone. You and your idol Schiff's conspiracies are falling apart slowly but surely.

its becoming time for you to show that you aren't as dumb as you've made yourself out to be…. Can you do it?

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Cary the "I don't know, and neither do you" thing only works when there hasn't been ample time and opportunity for evidence to be discovered in support of a particular hypothesis.

We can all say at this point, with certainty, that there was not consequential, outcome-altering fraud in 2020. Smapty is absolutely correct that if there was evidence of it, it would have come out long before now, and certainly once Trump again controlled the Justice Department.

It is just as it always seemed to be - a baseless lie broadcast by Trump because he has the fragile ego of a small child and couldn't take the L, and also to harm trust in institutions amongst the cult so that he could be viewed as some sort of savior for people from the Deep State.

You say you're not a conspiracy person, but in order to claim that convincingly, you have to man up and just acknowledge when conspiracies are clearly not true. We're well past that point with the 2020 election fraud fantasy.

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Civ, when I wrote that, I was referring to the Epstein stuff. Now, as far as the 2020 election, I agree… we haven't seen any further evidence to support a stolen election. That said, I still have a belief something was untoward. I also realize it's just a belief.

Regarding a baseless lie by Trump. Russia hoax was one of those?

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What exactly was a hoax?

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Civ, you really need to start watching and reading other news sources. If you're asking that question, I really am questioning your exposure of adequate news and information.

come on man… you can do better.

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LOL. So says the guy who only gets his news from Fox.

This Gabbard stuff is classic Trump distraction about a OMG BOMBSHELL REVELATION that's a half-truth and incomplete information and semantic games that don't alter the fundamentals determination that Russia meddled.

Gabbard's OMG BOMBSHELL documents show early intelligence community beliefs that Russia's vote-altering capacity was low. Nobody at this point is arguing otherwise.

But intelligence officials repeatedly acknowledged Russia conducted major hacking and influence operations to sow distrust and discord. They just didn't directly change actual vote counts. That nuance is key.

Pay attention to her actual words. It is widely acknowledged that Russia's activities did not gain them access to our election infrastructure so they could manipulate vote counts. Nobody is arguing otherwise.

Yes, there were intelligence reports in late 2016 stating Russia hadn't tampered with vote infrastructure.

Later evidence from Senate investigations to Mueller confirmed Russia had actively interfered via hacking and disinformation.

Gabbard's materials argue that earlier IC reports were deliberately dismissed, but they don't refute Mueller, Congress' investigation, or any similarly concluded investigations, and the overarching conclusion of Russian interference remains fully intact.

What Trump/Gabbard are absolutely correct about is that 99% of y'all won't spend half a second researching or thinking about anything or looking past the Fox News headline.

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The intelligence community said Russia didn't have capabilities to meddle in the election. Ok, great! That info was pulled and a team of people created their own intelligence and communicated it.

That, according to Tulsi Gabbard was the foundation for everything that followed. So, is it possible that all this evidence you quoted (Mueller, Congress, etc…) was based on a false premise?

The way I'm seeing things… that's exactly what happened.

This has nothing to do with Fox News (your boogie man); rather, it has all to do with the report released by Gabbard.

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No they didn't. The intelligence community ultimately said Russia didn't alter vote counts, not that they didn't meddle.

No, Mueller and Congress' investigations aren't radically flawed.

This is Gabbard and Trump again trying to deflect and distract from the Epstein fiasco. They know they can use 'Obama' and 'conspiracy' in the same sentence and it's chum in the water for the easily distracted.

The Obama Administration is going to be 'investigated and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law'? Puh-lease.

I'll bet you $100 right now, payable to Savage Wolves by the loser, that no Obama staff member is ever convicted of anything, because they didn't do anything. It's unlikely they even get charged, although there's no telling with Trump Justice Department pulling the puppet strings.

It's not even in doubt at this point that Russia meddled. They meddled, and vote counts were not altered. Both of these things are true.

The rest of this is just an attempted smokescreen by Trump.

Mark Warner says it well:

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"The Senate Intel Committee unanimously concluded that Russia interfered in the 2016 election," he said in a post on X. "If there had been some Obama conspiracy, we would have found it. This latest lie is another sad, dangerous example of Tulsi Gabbard trying to rewrite history and erode trust in the [intelligence community]."

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If you think I'm wrong, take me up on my bet. $100 says no one is convicted, because there's no conspiracy.

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It's amazing how you can take all these people statements as gospel; however, you can't accept Tulsi Gabbard statements. That makes no sense to me. Actually, it does make sense….

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It's completely obvious why anyone that's remotely rational would put significantly more weight on the Mueller and bipartisan Congressional investigations than on Trump's DNI's hyperbole.

Who is the least motivated by impartiality, his beleaguered Director; an independent investigator with sterling credentials; or a bipartisan Congressional committee?

Again, if you're confident in what she says let's bet a hundy on whether a single person in the Obama administration is found guilty of anything criminal relating to this whole matter.

Gabbard is completely full of it and this is simply the latest act of Trump's revenge tour. She's literally trying to just recast history to fit her boss's favorite talking points that prop up his ego.

And, she didn't say Russia didn't meddle. She said the narrative was shaped to undermine Trump (somehow; how exactly is not clear as per usual with Trump's inane and nebulously ominous Deep State references).

Russia's myriad social media influence campaigns and hack-and-leak operations well and publicly documented. Also as per his usual narcissistic outlook, Trump acts like his 2016 campaign it's the only one that's ever alleged to have been targeted by Russia. This is Russia's MO. Moldova. Romania. Germany. France. The UK. Scotland. All elections credibly targeted by Russia over the last 10 years, along with ours.

She's alleging criminally conspiratorial conduct. And I'm telling you, she is completely full of ****, as will be clearly evidenced by the Justice department not being able to produce evidence of this alleged conspiracy.

Make it worth my while....10k or more. We can figure out how the funds are kept....20k is probably more worthy of all the hassle. Let's do this, #Sieve. i want your money. Winner buys dinner...

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For all the people thinking Russia meddled in our election (2016)… well, your narrative is falling apart…

In fact, some of these documents Tulsi is releasing sure looks like a level of Treason happened. If so, every one of these people (I hope) should end up in jail. This appears to include Obama as a conspirator in this act.

Oh… we don't have a deep state! That's a loose cannon conspiracy theory that MAGA people believe in. Those people are loons! Who's looking like a loon now?

As I've said many times, about many issues… I don't know what the truth is and I'm willing to let this play out; however, at this point, some people in The Water Cooler may be vindicated. Some… well, they may end up looking like the conspiracy theorists loons…. Was the MSM perpetrating this conspiracy and did some on here buy into it?

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Some people need to go to prison over this bs but we know not one dang thing will happen. GOP is all talk

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You'd think MAGA would learn a lesson from the Epstein thing, but nope. It's not just all talk. It's the only playbook you guys have. Keep doubling down.

Remember Kash Patel doing the same thing on Fox News about Epstein that Tulsi is right now? "OMG there is so much evidence that they are actually the criminals, not us! You just wait!".

They're desperate to change the subject, because Trump knows he's in trouble. Tulsi is changing the subject and trying to convince you that there really is a Deep State Conspiracy, because this Epstein thing sure makes it pretty clear that they were playing you

You are falling for it. Again.

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You sound fearful and I like it.

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The fact that you guys are grown adults is pretty scary.

Did I mention that the site owners won't even set foot in the Water Cooler?

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You've called out James and co. too many times, we're all aware you want everyone that thinks differently than you banned. If it's that bad here you should try another site.

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I especially love it when he tries to do it on the sports board and it falls upon nothing but deaf ears... in fact, he may be the biggest idiot in the entire history of these boards.

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Yeah James just ignores it lol.

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Lol, I think you might be surprised to discover what the site owners actually think about you guys.

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You might be surprised that I could absolutely care less. You're the one that has such a problem with them and constantly calls them out. I'm only guilty of thinking differently than you and for that you think we should be reprimanded. I'm not going anywhere and have never done anything to come close to breaking board rules. You can run and cry to them all you want.

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I've called them out few times for allowing a couple posters in particular to spew endless anti-Semitic garbage. I never mentioned you idiots at all. Of course you heard it that way because being MAGA means being an aggrieved hypersensitive snowflake, ready to melt into a puddle of persecution at a moments notice. Which I'm sure is exactly why James and company tiptoe so lightly.

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I am an outsider on here, but I will say for what it's worth that I have been surprised at what is allowed to be said on here. Some of this stuff certainly seems to be out of bounds, even for an internet message board, but maybe that's just me. Im just a peaceful guy who lives at the beach haha

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Gosh man, kinda putting the new guy on the spot. I guess I clicked on this thread because I love the President, always have, and so I wanted to see what yall thought about him too, if yall thought he was as great as I do.

Now I didn't read the whole thing, and I'm not an expert in these things, but maybe it's because it's a little more laid back down here. But believe it or not, I have friends down here that are all types. You kinda have to learn to live with everyone in a small town like this. So I do feel like some of the things I read were anti Jewish people and anti gay people. And I guess I just felt like those kinda of things don't really fly as much these days. So I guess I was surprised that was ok here.

But it's not really my spot to say nothing. Like we say at the bar I work some nights at, ain't my table haha

Clearly yall got a good thing going here and no one's cares, so who cares what a beach bum has to say.

General Flynn calls this the biggest crime in United States history. People in NSA and FBI you've never heard of will go down too.
https://rumble.com/v6wed8k--jul-19-2025-russiagate-obamagate-here.-we.-go.-ncswic.html

Take the time to read this thread on x today, we can get back to a robust middle class, as long as we reduce real income and provide less opportunity!

🧵Some comments on U.S. Trade Representative Jamieson Greer's recent error-filled speech on reindustrialization. It is so bad, it is almost like his speechwriters were attempting to sabotage him. Let's go!

— 𝙱𝚛𝚢𝚊𝚗 𝚁𝚒𝚕𝚎𝚢 🗽🇺🇸 (@FreeTradeBryan) July 20, 2025

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You Trumpers need this water cooler like you need every other fantasy platform to banter about your idiotic and ignorant garbage. It's sad that you can't conjure enough independent thought to venture outside your safe cocoon of other morons.

We need adults to govern. Not vindictive, small, angry, and unserious toddlers dying on alters of ideology.

You ARE the enemy of the people with any sense, common or otherwise.

That said, I wish all of you the best. I'm a good person. You should try being the same.

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I'm just here for the cheap entertainment.

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It's sad to see a post like his. Adults to govern is so comical! We had so-called adults governing while trying hard to overthrow an election. You know, the same thing they blame Trump for doing.

that guy is not a serious person. Oh, that's right, he just said we aren't serious. In fact, I think he said some are toddlers.

The left and the big government pubs just can't stand losing!! Again, blaming Trump for something they are doing. Whatever?

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While we're asking Trump's government for Epstein docs, that reminds me! Now that Trump completely controls the Justice Department, why hasn't he released whatever "evidence" they have about the "stolen" 2020 election? There must be mountains of evidence, right? Seems like revealing that would have been a priority, assuming he's not just jerking you around again.

The unfortunate downside of having absolute power is that it immediately makes your entire conspiracy worldview look even stupider than it already did.

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I'm not a conspiracy person. I look at facts, and try to form an opinion. As I've stated so many times, I don't know everything and you don't either. You can continue to harp on the Democratic talking points, all you want. None of it makes it true. Unfortunately, you're too ****ing stupid to realize that.

It's been so clear, ever since you made your appearance here, that you are wrapped up in the talking points and/or conspiracies the Dems have perpetrated on everyone. You and your idol Schiff's conspiracies are falling apart slowly but surely.

its becoming time for you to show that you aren't as dumb as you've made yourself out to be…. Can you do it?

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Cary the "I don't know, and neither do you" thing only works when there hasn't been ample time and opportunity for evidence to be discovered in support of a particular hypothesis.

We can all say at this point, with certainty, that there was not consequential, outcome-altering fraud in 2020. Smapty is absolutely correct that if there was evidence of it, it would have come out long before now, and certainly once Trump again controlled the Justice Department.

It is just as it always seemed to be - a baseless lie broadcast by Trump because he has the fragile ego of a small child and couldn't take the L, and also to harm trust in institutions amongst the cult so that he could be viewed as some sort of savior for people from the Deep State.

You say you're not a conspiracy person, but in order to claim that convincingly, you have to man up and just acknowledge when conspiracies are clearly not true. We're well past that point with the 2020 election fraud fantasy.

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Civ, when I wrote that, I was referring to the Epstein stuff. Now, as far as the 2020 election, I agree… we haven't seen any further evidence to support a stolen election. That said, I still have a belief something was untoward. I also realize it's just a belief.

Regarding a baseless lie by Trump. Russia hoax was one of those?

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What exactly was a hoax?

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Civ, you really need to start watching and reading other news sources. If you're asking that question, I really am questioning your exposure of adequate news and information.

come on man… you can do better.

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LOL. So says the guy who only gets his news from Fox.

This Gabbard stuff is classic Trump distraction about a OMG BOMBSHELL REVELATION that's a half-truth and incomplete information and semantic games that don't alter the fundamentals determination that Russia meddled.

Gabbard's OMG BOMBSHELL documents show early intelligence community beliefs that Russia's vote-altering capacity was low. Nobody at this point is arguing otherwise.

But intelligence officials repeatedly acknowledged Russia conducted major hacking and influence operations to sow distrust and discord. They just didn't directly change actual vote counts. That nuance is key.

Pay attention to her actual words. It is widely acknowledged that Russia's activities did not gain them access to our election infrastructure so they could manipulate vote counts. Nobody is arguing otherwise.

Yes, there were intelligence reports in late 2016 stating Russia hadn't tampered with vote infrastructure.

Later evidence from Senate investigations to Mueller confirmed Russia had actively interfered via hacking and disinformation.

Gabbard's materials argue that earlier IC reports were deliberately dismissed, but they don't refute Mueller, Congress' investigation, or any similarly concluded investigations, and the overarching conclusion of Russian interference remains fully intact.

What Trump/Gabbard are absolutely correct about is that 99% of y'all won't spend half a second researching or thinking about anything or looking past the Fox News headline.

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The intelligence community said Russia didn't have capabilities to meddle in the election. Ok, great! That info was pulled and a team of people created their own intelligence and communicated it.

That, according to Tulsi Gabbard was the foundation for everything that followed. So, is it possible that all this evidence you quoted (Mueller, Congress, etc…) was based on a false premise?

The way I'm seeing things… that's exactly what happened.

This has nothing to do with Fox News (your boogie man); rather, it has all to do with the report released by Gabbard.

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No they didn't. The intelligence community ultimately said Russia didn't alter vote counts, not that they didn't meddle.

No, Mueller and Congress' investigations aren't radically flawed.

This is Gabbard and Trump again trying to deflect and distract from the Epstein fiasco. They know they can use 'Obama' and 'conspiracy' in the same sentence and it's chum in the water for the easily distracted.

The Obama Administration is going to be 'investigated and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law'? Puh-lease.

I'll bet you $100 right now, payable to Savage Wolves by the loser, that no Obama staff member is ever convicted of anything, because they didn't do anything. It's unlikely they even get charged, although there's no telling with Trump Justice Department pulling the puppet strings.

It's not even in doubt at this point that Russia meddled. They meddled, and vote counts were not altered. Both of these things are true.

The rest of this is just an attempted smokescreen by Trump.

Mark Warner says it well:

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"The Senate Intel Committee unanimously concluded that Russia interfered in the 2016 election," he said in a post on X. "If there had been some Obama conspiracy, we would have found it. This latest lie is another sad, dangerous example of Tulsi Gabbard trying to rewrite history and erode trust in the [intelligence community]."

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If you think I'm wrong, take me up on my bet. $100 says no one is convicted, because there's no conspiracy.

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It's amazing how you can take all these people statements as gospel; however, you can't accept Tulsi Gabbard statements. That makes no sense to me. Actually, it does make sense….

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It's completely obvious why anyone that's remotely rational would put significantly more weight on the Mueller and bipartisan Congressional investigations than on Trump's DNI's hyperbole.

Who is the least motivated by impartiality, his beleaguered Director; an independent investigator with sterling credentials; or a bipartisan Congressional committee?

Again, if you're confident in what she says let's bet a hundy on whether a single person in the Obama administration is found guilty of anything criminal relating to this whole matter.

Gabbard is completely full of it and this is simply the latest act of Trump's revenge tour. She's literally trying to just recast history to fit her boss's favorite talking points that prop up his ego.

And, she didn't say Russia didn't meddle. She said the narrative was shaped to undermine Trump (somehow; how exactly is not clear as per usual with Trump's inane and nebulously ominous Deep State references).

Russia's myriad social media influence campaigns and hack-and-leak operations well and publicly documented. Also as per his usual narcissistic outlook, Trump acts like his 2016 campaign it's the only one that's ever alleged to have been targeted by Russia. This is Russia's MO. Moldova. Romania. Germany. France. The UK. Scotland. All elections credibly targeted by Russia over the last 10 years, along with ours.

She's alleging criminally conspiratorial conduct. And I'm telling you, she is completely full of ****, as will be clearly evidenced by the Justice department not being able to produce evidence of this alleged conspiracy.

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By the time Mueller had the final word on his findings, he came across as befuddled and encroaching into senility, ergo, his findings were and are vulnerable to question. As for Congress, that was not a bi-partisan finding. Any ostensibly Republican members of Congress whom participated in that committee, did so without the authorization of the then-GOP minority leader, which made their findings also vulnerable to question.

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The Special Counsel's team developed a well-cited and very detailed 200-page report. Feel free to refute or deny any of its claims on a factual basis, rather than resorting to ad hominem and unsubstantiated attacks on his health status.

Regarding the Bipartisan Congressional committee appointment process, is the Senate Intelligence Committee not a permanent committee? Did committee membership not follow standard committee assignment procedures?

Presumably then, their findings would therefore be above silly grievances about appointment logistics?

Did House Republicans balk at the selection process for their special committee? And remember they committee Pubs issued a report detailing why they believed Trump did not collude with Russia, so they themselves drew an explicit line between meddling and collusion (and said clearly Russia meddled but Trump did not collude).

And has anyone, anywhere, at any time with the authority and access needed to investigate Russia's interference, come to the conclusion that they did NOT meddle in the election?

I'm not talking about Trump not colluding, Russia hacking voting machines, or people questioning what Russia was after, i.e. to explicitly help Trump or not.

I'm just asking has there ever been any investigation that came to the conclusion Russia didn't meddle and try to interfere?

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For all the people thinking Russia meddled in our election (2016)… well, your narrative is falling apart…

In fact, some of these documents Tulsi is releasing sure looks like a level of Treason happened. If so, every one of these people (I hope) should end up in jail. This appears to include Obama as a conspirator in this act.

Oh… we don't have a deep state! That's a loose cannon conspiracy theory that MAGA people believe in. Those people are loons! Who's looking like a loon now?

As I've said many times, about many issues… I don't know what the truth is and I'm willing to let this play out; however, at this point, some people in The Water Cooler may be vindicated. Some… well, they may end up looking like the conspiracy theorists loons…. Was the MSM perpetrating this conspiracy and did some on here buy into it?

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Some people need to go to prison over this bs but we know not one dang thing will happen. GOP is all talk

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You'd think MAGA would learn a lesson from the Epstein thing, but nope. It's not just all talk. It's the only playbook you guys have. Keep doubling down.

Remember Kash Patel doing the same thing on Fox News about Epstein that Tulsi is right now? "OMG there is so much evidence that they are actually the criminals, not us! You just wait!".

They're desperate to change the subject, because Trump knows he's in trouble. Tulsi is changing the subject and trying to convince you that there really is a Deep State Conspiracy, because this Epstein thing sure makes it pretty clear that they were playing you

You are falling for it. Again.

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You sound fearful and I like it.

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The fact that you guys are grown adults is pretty scary.

Did I mention that the site owners won't even set foot in the Water Cooler?

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You've called out James and co. too many times, we're all aware you want everyone that thinks differently than you banned. If it's that bad here you should try another site.

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I especially love it when he tries to do it on the sports board and it falls upon nothing but deaf ears... in fact, he may be the biggest idiot in the entire history of these boards.

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Yeah James just ignores it lol.

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Lol, I think you might be surprised to discover what the site owners actually think about you guys.

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You might be surprised that I could absolutely care less. You're the one that has such a problem with them and constantly calls them out. I'm only guilty of thinking differently than you and for that you think we should be reprimanded. I'm not going anywhere and have never done anything to come close to breaking board rules. You can run and cry to them all you want.

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I've called them out few times for allowing a couple posters in particular to spew endless anti-Semitic garbage. I never mentioned you idiots at all. Of course you heard it that way because being MAGA means being an aggrieved hypersensitive snowflake, ready to melt into a puddle of persecution at a moments notice. Which I'm sure is exactly why James and company tiptoe so lightly.

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It's their board and they will do what they think is best, it's absolutely none of your business how they run their company. Seriously who the hell do you think you are? Again if you have a problem with it you should go elsewhere.

You calling someone hypersensitive is pretty dang rich given how much you whine and cry about those that dare think differently than you. It makes me smile that it bothers you so much.

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Bro, peddling Jewish conspiracy theories over and over isn't hypersensitivity

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Bro where I have peddled or agreed with peddling Jewish conspiracy theories. Your post doesn't even make sense.

My point is it's not up to you or I how this board is policed and you can't accuse someone else of hypersensitivity when you're as guilty as anyone else.

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You haven't, but the impression of your response to Smapty's post that he's over reacting when he specifically stated that he is fine with political posts but not antisemitism and that's what he has talked to "management" about and you basically replied and told him to pound sand. Perhaps you should clarify your response?

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Well, now taking the fallback position that it's just the anti-semitic posters that he was talking about when neither of them were active in this thread at the time and he was directly engaging multiple other posters that have never posted such idiocy on here, somewhat begs the question - perhaps you should clarify your response.

I'd love to see those posting anti-semitic tripe here to be banned, and I've openly called for it here multiple times in the past, including again here fairly recently... so, you can just ****ing pack up that broad brush of yours and shove it up your ass as far as I am concerned.

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well sorry Storm , but very few here have challenged the bull **** spewed here constantly, you have been one of the few. Everyone else here is silent and complacent until they decide to challenge antisemitism here. So, I do not apologize for challenging the fact that people remain silent. I don't know anyone here personally, and I've only met Cary and Glass once. I do not know one's intentions when they remain silent on obvious posts.

If you don't want to be painted with a broad brush then push back on those two guys and not make their posts be a normal ok occurrences here

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"Just normal college students doing normal college student things".

Anti-semitism is anti-semitism no matter which end of the political spectrum it comes from... to me Smarpty and GP might as well be the exact same person (and yes, I know the above quote came from Civ - but it remains applicable here).

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For all the people thinking Russia meddled in our election (2016)… well, your narrative is falling apart…

In fact, some of these documents Tulsi is releasing sure looks like a level of Treason happened. If so, every one of these people (I hope) should end up in jail. This appears to include Obama as a conspirator in this act.

Oh… we don't have a deep state! That's a loose cannon conspiracy theory that MAGA people believe in. Those people are loons! Who's looking like a loon now?

As I've said many times, about many issues… I don't know what the truth is and I'm willing to let this play out; however, at this point, some people in The Water Cooler may be vindicated. Some… well, they may end up looking like the conspiracy theorists loons…. Was the MSM perpetrating this conspiracy and did some on here buy into it?

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Some people need to go to prison over this bs but we know not one dang thing will happen. GOP is all talk

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You'd think MAGA would learn a lesson from the Epstein thing, but nope. It's not just all talk. It's the only playbook you guys have. Keep doubling down.

Remember Kash Patel doing the same thing on Fox News about Epstein that Tulsi is right now? "OMG there is so much evidence that they are actually the criminals, not us! You just wait!".

They're desperate to change the subject, because Trump knows he's in trouble. Tulsi is changing the subject and trying to convince you that there really is a Deep State Conspiracy, because this Epstein thing sure makes it pretty clear that they were playing you

You are falling for it. Again.

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You sound fearful and I like it.

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The fact that you guys are grown adults is pretty scary.

Did I mention that the site owners won't even set foot in the Water Cooler?

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You've called out James and co. too many times, we're all aware you want everyone that thinks differently than you banned. If it's that bad here you should try another site.

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I especially love it when he tries to do it on the sports board and it falls upon nothing but deaf ears... in fact, he may be the biggest idiot in the entire history of these boards.

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Yeah James just ignores it lol.

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Lol, I think you might be surprised to discover what the site owners actually think about you guys.

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You might be surprised that I could absolutely care less. You're the one that has such a problem with them and constantly calls them out. I'm only guilty of thinking differently than you and for that you think we should be reprimanded. I'm not going anywhere and have never done anything to come close to breaking board rules. You can run and cry to them all you want.

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I've called them out few times for allowing a couple posters in particular to spew endless anti-Semitic garbage. I never mentioned you idiots at all. Of course you heard it that way because being MAGA means being an aggrieved hypersensitive snowflake, ready to melt into a puddle of persecution at a moments notice. Which I'm sure is exactly why James and company tiptoe so lightly.

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It's their board and they will do what they think is best, it's absolutely none of your business how they run their company. Seriously who the hell do you think you are? Again if you have a problem with it you should go elsewhere.

You calling someone hypersensitive is pretty dang rich given how much you whine and cry about those that dare think differently than you. It makes me smile that it bothers you so much.

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Bro, peddling Jewish conspiracy theories over and over isn't hypersensitivity

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Bro where I have peddled or agreed with peddling Jewish conspiracy theories. Your post doesn't even make sense.

My point is it's not up to you or I how this board is policed and you can't accuse someone else of hypersensitivity when you're as guilty as anyone else.

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You haven't, but the impression of your response to Smapty's post that he's over reacting when he specifically stated that he is fine with political posts but not antisemitism and that's what he has talked to "management" about and you basically replied and told him to pound sand. Perhaps you should clarify your response?

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Well, now taking the fallback position that it's just the anti-semitic posters that he was talking about when neither of them were active in this thread at the time and he was directly engaging multiple other posters that have never posted such idiocy on here, somewhat begs the question - perhaps you should clarify your response.

I'd love to see those posting anti-semitic tripe here to be banned, and I've openly called for it here multiple times in the past, including again here fairly recently... so, you can just ****ing pack up that broad brush of yours and shove it up your ass as far as I am concerned.

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well sorry Storm , but very few here have challenged the bull **** spewed here constantly, you have been one of the few. Everyone else here is silent and complacent until they decide to challenge antisemitism here. So, I do not apologize for challenging the fact that people remain silent. I don't know anyone here personally, and I've only met Cary and Glass once. I do not know one's intentions when they remain silent on obvious posts.

If you don't want to be painted with a broad brush then push back on those two guys and not make their posts be a normal ok occurrences here

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"Just normal college students doing normal college student things".

Anti-semitism is anti-semitism no matter which end of the political spectrum it comes from... to me Smarpty and GP might as well be the exact same person (and yes, I know the above quote came from Civ - but it remains applicable here).

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Are you saying Civ posted that? If so, wow. Totally agree anti-semitism is anti-semitism.

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For all the people thinking Russia meddled in our election (2016)… well, your narrative is falling apart…

In fact, some of these documents Tulsi is releasing sure looks like a level of Treason happened. If so, every one of these people (I hope) should end up in jail. This appears to include Obama as a conspirator in this act.

Oh… we don't have a deep state! That's a loose cannon conspiracy theory that MAGA people believe in. Those people are loons! Who's looking like a loon now?

As I've said many times, about many issues… I don't know what the truth is and I'm willing to let this play out; however, at this point, some people in The Water Cooler may be vindicated. Some… well, they may end up looking like the conspiracy theorists loons…. Was the MSM perpetrating this conspiracy and did some on here buy into it?

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Some people need to go to prison over this bs but we know not one dang thing will happen. GOP is all talk

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You'd think MAGA would learn a lesson from the Epstein thing, but nope. It's not just all talk. It's the only playbook you guys have. Keep doubling down.

Remember Kash Patel doing the same thing on Fox News about Epstein that Tulsi is right now? "OMG there is so much evidence that they are actually the criminals, not us! You just wait!".

They're desperate to change the subject, because Trump knows he's in trouble. Tulsi is changing the subject and trying to convince you that there really is a Deep State Conspiracy, because this Epstein thing sure makes it pretty clear that they were playing you

You are falling for it. Again.

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You sound fearful and I like it.

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The fact that you guys are grown adults is pretty scary.

Did I mention that the site owners won't even set foot in the Water Cooler?

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You've called out James and co. too many times, we're all aware you want everyone that thinks differently than you banned. If it's that bad here you should try another site.

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I especially love it when he tries to do it on the sports board and it falls upon nothing but deaf ears... in fact, he may be the biggest idiot in the entire history of these boards.

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Yeah James just ignores it lol.

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Lol, I think you might be surprised to discover what the site owners actually think about you guys.

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You might be surprised that I could absolutely care less. You're the one that has such a problem with them and constantly calls them out. I'm only guilty of thinking differently than you and for that you think we should be reprimanded. I'm not going anywhere and have never done anything to come close to breaking board rules. You can run and cry to them all you want.

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I've called them out few times for allowing a couple posters in particular to spew endless anti-Semitic garbage. I never mentioned you idiots at all. Of course you heard it that way because being MAGA means being an aggrieved hypersensitive snowflake, ready to melt into a puddle of persecution at a moments notice. Which I'm sure is exactly why James and company tiptoe so lightly.

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I am an outsider on here, but I will say for what it's worth that I have been surprised at what is allowed to be said on here. Some of this stuff certainly seems to be out of bounds, even for an internet message board, but maybe that's just me. Im just a peaceful guy who lives at the beach haha

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Examples

You might get agreement…

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Gosh man, kinda putting the new guy on the spot. I guess I clicked on this thread because I love the President, always have, and so I wanted to see what yall thought about him too, if yall thought he was as great as I do.

Now I didn't read the whole thing, and I'm not an expert in these things, but maybe it's because it's a little more laid back down here. But believe it or not, I have friends down here that are all types. You kinda have to learn to live with everyone in a small town like this. So I do feel like some of the things I read were anti Jewish people and anti gay people. And I guess I just felt like those kinda of things don't really fly as much these days. So I guess I was surprised that was ok here.

But it's not really my spot to say nothing. Like we say at the bar I work some nights at, ain't my table haha

Clearly yall got a good thing going here and no one's cares, so who cares what a beach bum has to say.

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No offense intended. Your response was a cop out...

So, I'll recap:

I am an outsider on here, but I will say for what it's worth that I have been surprised at what is allowed to be said on here. Some of this stuff certainly seems to be out of bounds,

I asked:

Examples

Your response:

So I do feel like some of the things I read were anti Jewish people and anti gay people.

My question still hold... Examples

Generalized statements about certain things can cause more issues than not. Yes, I've seen where accusations of anti-semetism have been made. As opposed to making certain accusations, give a person a chance to clarify what they are saying.

Now, do I think we should give everyone that leeway? Probably not. That said, casting those types of accusations is serious and should be taken serious by everyone. Again, you may get more agreement than not; so, be careful what you accuse someone of and be receptive enough to understand that the keyboard doesn't always give context.

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You Trumpers need this water cooler like you need every other fantasy platform to banter about your idiotic and ignorant garbage. It's sad that you can't conjure enough independent thought to venture outside your safe cocoon of other morons.

We need adults to govern. Not vindictive, small, angry, and unserious toddlers dying on alters of ideology.

You ARE the enemy of the people with any sense, common or otherwise.

That said, I wish all of you the best. I'm a good person. You should try being the same.

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I'm just here for the cheap entertainment.

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It's sad to see a post like his. Adults to govern is so comical! We had so-called adults governing while trying hard to overthrow an election. You know, the same thing they blame Trump for doing.

that guy is not a serious person. Oh, that's right, he just said we aren't serious. In fact, I think he said some are toddlers.

The left and the big government pubs just can't stand losing!! Again, blaming Trump for something they are doing. Whatever?

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While we're asking Trump's government for Epstein docs, that reminds me! Now that Trump completely controls the Justice Department, why hasn't he released whatever "evidence" they have about the "stolen" 2020 election? There must be mountains of evidence, right? Seems like revealing that would have been a priority, assuming he's not just jerking you around again.

The unfortunate downside of having absolute power is that it immediately makes your entire conspiracy worldview look even stupider than it already did.

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I'm not a conspiracy person. I look at facts, and try to form an opinion. As I've stated so many times, I don't know everything and you don't either. You can continue to harp on the Democratic talking points, all you want. None of it makes it true. Unfortunately, you're too ****ing stupid to realize that.

It's been so clear, ever since you made your appearance here, that you are wrapped up in the talking points and/or conspiracies the Dems have perpetrated on everyone. You and your idol Schiff's conspiracies are falling apart slowly but surely.

its becoming time for you to show that you aren't as dumb as you've made yourself out to be…. Can you do it?

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Cary the "I don't know, and neither do you" thing only works when there hasn't been ample time and opportunity for evidence to be discovered in support of a particular hypothesis.

We can all say at this point, with certainty, that there was not consequential, outcome-altering fraud in 2020. Smapty is absolutely correct that if there was evidence of it, it would have come out long before now, and certainly once Trump again controlled the Justice Department.

It is just as it always seemed to be - a baseless lie broadcast by Trump because he has the fragile ego of a small child and couldn't take the L, and also to harm trust in institutions amongst the cult so that he could be viewed as some sort of savior for people from the Deep State.

You say you're not a conspiracy person, but in order to claim that convincingly, you have to man up and just acknowledge when conspiracies are clearly not true. We're well past that point with the 2020 election fraud fantasy.

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Civ, when I wrote that, I was referring to the Epstein stuff. Now, as far as the 2020 election, I agree… we haven't seen any further evidence to support a stolen election. That said, I still have a belief something was untoward. I also realize it's just a belief.

Regarding a baseless lie by Trump. Russia hoax was one of those?

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Civ, you really need to start watching and reading other news sources. If you're asking that question, I really am questioning your exposure of adequate news and information.

come on man… you can do better.

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LOL. So says the guy who only gets his news from Fox.

This Gabbard stuff is classic Trump distraction about a OMG BOMBSHELL REVELATION that's a half-truth and incomplete information and semantic games that don't alter the fundamentals determination that Russia meddled.

Gabbard's OMG BOMBSHELL documents show early intelligence community beliefs that Russia's vote-altering capacity was low. Nobody at this point is arguing otherwise.

But intelligence officials repeatedly acknowledged Russia conducted major hacking and influence operations to sow distrust and discord. They just didn't directly change actual vote counts. That nuance is key.

Pay attention to her actual words. It is widely acknowledged that Russia's activities did not gain them access to our election infrastructure so they could manipulate vote counts. Nobody is arguing otherwise.

Yes, there were intelligence reports in late 2016 stating Russia hadn't tampered with vote infrastructure.

Later evidence from Senate investigations to Mueller confirmed Russia had actively interfered via hacking and disinformation.

Gabbard's materials argue that earlier IC reports were deliberately dismissed, but they don't refute Mueller, Congress' investigation, or any similarly concluded investigations, and the overarching conclusion of Russian interference remains fully intact.

What Trump/Gabbard are absolutely correct about is that 99% of y'all won't spend half a second researching or thinking about anything or looking past the Fox News headline.

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The intelligence community said Russia didn't have capabilities to meddle in the election. Ok, great! That info was pulled and a team of people created their own intelligence and communicated it.

That, according to Tulsi Gabbard was the foundation for everything that followed. So, is it possible that all this evidence you quoted (Mueller, Congress, etc…) was based on a false premise?

The way I'm seeing things… that's exactly what happened.

This has nothing to do with Fox News (your boogie man); rather, it has all to do with the report released by Gabbard.

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No they didn't. The intelligence community ultimately said Russia didn't alter vote counts, not that they didn't meddle.

No, Mueller and Congress' investigations aren't radically flawed.

This is Gabbard and Trump again trying to deflect and distract from the Epstein fiasco. They know they can use 'Obama' and 'conspiracy' in the same sentence and it's chum in the water for the easily distracted.

The Obama Administration is going to be 'investigated and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law'? Puh-lease.

I'll bet you $100 right now, payable to Savage Wolves by the loser, that no Obama staff member is ever convicted of anything, because they didn't do anything. It's unlikely they even get charged, although there's no telling with Trump Justice Department pulling the puppet strings.

It's not even in doubt at this point that Russia meddled. They meddled, and vote counts were not altered. Both of these things are true.

The rest of this is just an attempted smokescreen by Trump.

Mark Warner says it well:

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"The Senate Intel Committee unanimously concluded that Russia interfered in the 2016 election," he said in a post on X. "If there had been some Obama conspiracy, we would have found it. This latest lie is another sad, dangerous example of Tulsi Gabbard trying to rewrite history and erode trust in the [intelligence community]."

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If you think I'm wrong, take me up on my bet. $100 says no one is convicted, because there's no conspiracy.

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It's amazing how you can take all these people statements as gospel; however, you can't accept Tulsi Gabbard statements. That makes no sense to me. Actually, it does make sense….

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It's completely obvious why anyone that's remotely rational would put significantly more weight on the Mueller and bipartisan Congressional investigations than on Trump's DNI's hyperbole.

Who is the least motivated by impartiality, his beleaguered Director; an independent investigator with sterling credentials; or a bipartisan Congressional committee?

Again, if you're confident in what she says let's bet a hundy on whether a single person in the Obama administration is found guilty of anything criminal relating to this whole matter.

Gabbard is completely full of it and this is simply the latest act of Trump's revenge tour. She's literally trying to just recast history to fit her boss's favorite talking points that prop up his ego.

And, she didn't say Russia didn't meddle. She said the narrative was shaped to undermine Trump (somehow; how exactly is not clear as per usual with Trump's inane and nebulously ominous Deep State references).

Russia's myriad social media influence campaigns and hack-and-leak operations well and publicly documented. Also as per his usual narcissistic outlook, Trump acts like his 2016 campaign it's the only one that's ever alleged to have been targeted by Russia. This is Russia's MO. Moldova. Romania. Germany. France. The UK. Scotland. All elections credibly targeted by Russia over the last 10 years, along with ours.

She's alleging criminally conspiratorial conduct. And I'm telling you, she is completely full of ****, as will be clearly evidenced by the Justice department not being able to produce evidence of this alleged conspiracy.

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By the time Mueller had the final word on his findings, he came across as befuddled and encroaching into senility, ergo, his findings were and are vulnerable to question. As for Congress, that was not a bi-partisan finding. Any ostensibly Republican members of Congress whom participated in that committee, did so without the authorization of the then-GOP minority leader, which made their findings also vulnerable to question.

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The Special Counsel's team developed a well-cited and very detailed 200-page report. Feel free to refute or deny any of its claims on a factual basis, rather than resorting to ad hominem and unsubstantiated attacks on his health status.

Regarding the Bipartisan Congressional committee appointment process, is the Senate Intelligence Committee not a permanent committee? Did committee membership not follow standard committee assignment procedures?

Presumably then, their findings would therefore be above silly grievances about appointment logistics?

Did House Republicans balk at the selection process for their special committee? And remember they committee Pubs issued a report detailing why they believed Trump did not collude with Russia, so they themselves drew an explicit line between meddling and collusion (and said clearly Russia meddled but Trump did not collude).

And has anyone, anywhere, at any time with the authority and access needed to investigate Russia's interference, come to the conclusion that they did NOT meddle in the election?

I'm not talking about Trump not colluding, Russia hacking voting machines, or people questioning what Russia was after, i.e. to explicitly help Trump or not.

I'm just asking has there ever been any investigation that came to the conclusion Russia didn't meddle and try to interfere?

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I'll only believe your certified people. They don't have an agenda. Anything related to Trump has an agenda; therefore, they can't be trusted. Others words can be trusted. I see how this works with you!!

The TDS is completely out of control!!!

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For all the people thinking Russia meddled in our election (2016)… well, your narrative is falling apart…

In fact, some of these documents Tulsi is releasing sure looks like a level of Treason happened. If so, every one of these people (I hope) should end up in jail. This appears to include Obama as a conspirator in this act.

Oh… we don't have a deep state! That's a loose cannon conspiracy theory that MAGA people believe in. Those people are loons! Who's looking like a loon now?

As I've said many times, about many issues… I don't know what the truth is and I'm willing to let this play out; however, at this point, some people in The Water Cooler may be vindicated. Some… well, they may end up looking like the conspiracy theorists loons…. Was the MSM perpetrating this conspiracy and did some on here buy into it?

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Some people need to go to prison over this bs but we know not one dang thing will happen. GOP is all talk

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You'd think MAGA would learn a lesson from the Epstein thing, but nope. It's not just all talk. It's the only playbook you guys have. Keep doubling down.

Remember Kash Patel doing the same thing on Fox News about Epstein that Tulsi is right now? "OMG there is so much evidence that they are actually the criminals, not us! You just wait!".

They're desperate to change the subject, because Trump knows he's in trouble. Tulsi is changing the subject and trying to convince you that there really is a Deep State Conspiracy, because this Epstein thing sure makes it pretty clear that they were playing you

You are falling for it. Again.

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You sound fearful and I like it.

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The fact that you guys are grown adults is pretty scary.

Did I mention that the site owners won't even set foot in the Water Cooler?

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You've called out James and co. too many times, we're all aware you want everyone that thinks differently than you banned. If it's that bad here you should try another site.

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I especially love it when he tries to do it on the sports board and it falls upon nothing but deaf ears... in fact, he may be the biggest idiot in the entire history of these boards.

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Yeah James just ignores it lol.

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Lol, I think you might be surprised to discover what the site owners actually think about you guys.

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You might be surprised that I could absolutely care less. You're the one that has such a problem with them and constantly calls them out. I'm only guilty of thinking differently than you and for that you think we should be reprimanded. I'm not going anywhere and have never done anything to come close to breaking board rules. You can run and cry to them all you want.

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I've called them out few times for allowing a couple posters in particular to spew endless anti-Semitic garbage. I never mentioned you idiots at all. Of course you heard it that way because being MAGA means being an aggrieved hypersensitive snowflake, ready to melt into a puddle of persecution at a moments notice. Which I'm sure is exactly why James and company tiptoe so lightly.

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It's their board and they will do what they think is best, it's absolutely none of your business how they run their company. Seriously who the hell do you think you are? Again if you have a problem with it you should go elsewhere.

You calling someone hypersensitive is pretty dang rich given how much you whine and cry about those that dare think differently than you. It makes me smile that it bothers you so much.

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Bro, peddling Jewish conspiracy theories over and over isn't hypersensitivity

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Bro where I have peddled or agreed with peddling Jewish conspiracy theories. Your post doesn't even make sense.

My point is it's not up to you or I how this board is policed and you can't accuse someone else of hypersensitivity when you're as guilty as anyone else.

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You haven't, but the impression of your response to Smapty's post that he's over reacting when he specifically stated that he is fine with political posts but not antisemitism and that's what he has talked to "management" about and you basically replied and told him to pound sand. Perhaps you should clarify your response?

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Well, now taking the fallback position that it's just the anti-semitic posters that he was talking about when neither of them were active in this thread at the time and he was directly engaging multiple other posters that have never posted such idiocy on here, somewhat begs the question - perhaps you should clarify your response.

I'd love to see those posting anti-semitic tripe here to be banned, and I've openly called for it here multiple times in the past, including again here fairly recently... so, you can just ****ing pack up that broad brush of yours and shove it up your ass as far as I am concerned.

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well sorry Storm , but very few here have challenged the bull **** spewed here constantly, you have been one of the few. Everyone else here is silent and complacent until they decide to challenge antisemitism here. So, I do not apologize for challenging the fact that people remain silent. I don't know anyone here personally, and I've only met Cary and Glass once. I do not know one's intentions when they remain silent on obvious posts.

If you don't want to be painted with a broad brush then push back on those two guys and not make their posts be a normal ok occurrences here

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"Just normal college students doing normal college student things".

Anti-semitism is anti-semitism no matter which end of the political spectrum it comes from... to me Smarpty and GP might as well be the exact same person (and yes, I know the above quote came from Civ - but it remains applicable here).

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Funny, I've never seen you call out GP or Were for their antisemitic crap... and when I do publicly you melt down. So yeah, spare me.

You guys bawl about antisemitism because Trump is using that as an excuse to attack colleges, but otherwise let's get real.. you're probably wearing a Proud Boys 6MWE shirt as we speak.

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For all the people thinking Russia meddled in our election (2016)… well, your narrative is falling apart…

In fact, some of these documents Tulsi is releasing sure looks like a level of Treason happened. If so, every one of these people (I hope) should end up in jail. This appears to include Obama as a conspirator in this act.

Oh… we don't have a deep state! That's a loose cannon conspiracy theory that MAGA people believe in. Those people are loons! Who's looking like a loon now?

As I've said many times, about many issues… I don't know what the truth is and I'm willing to let this play out; however, at this point, some people in The Water Cooler may be vindicated. Some… well, they may end up looking like the conspiracy theorists loons…. Was the MSM perpetrating this conspiracy and did some on here buy into it?

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Some people need to go to prison over this bs but we know not one dang thing will happen. GOP is all talk

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You'd think MAGA would learn a lesson from the Epstein thing, but nope. It's not just all talk. It's the only playbook you guys have. Keep doubling down.

Remember Kash Patel doing the same thing on Fox News about Epstein that Tulsi is right now? "OMG there is so much evidence that they are actually the criminals, not us! You just wait!".

They're desperate to change the subject, because Trump knows he's in trouble. Tulsi is changing the subject and trying to convince you that there really is a Deep State Conspiracy, because this Epstein thing sure makes it pretty clear that they were playing you

You are falling for it. Again.

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You sound fearful and I like it.

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The fact that you guys are grown adults is pretty scary.

Did I mention that the site owners won't even set foot in the Water Cooler?

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You've called out James and co. too many times, we're all aware you want everyone that thinks differently than you banned. If it's that bad here you should try another site.

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I especially love it when he tries to do it on the sports board and it falls upon nothing but deaf ears... in fact, he may be the biggest idiot in the entire history of these boards.

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Yeah James just ignores it lol.

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Lol, I think you might be surprised to discover what the site owners actually think about you guys.

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You might be surprised that I could absolutely care less. You're the one that has such a problem with them and constantly calls them out. I'm only guilty of thinking differently than you and for that you think we should be reprimanded. I'm not going anywhere and have never done anything to come close to breaking board rules. You can run and cry to them all you want.

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I've called them out few times for allowing a couple posters in particular to spew endless anti-Semitic garbage. I never mentioned you idiots at all. Of course you heard it that way because being MAGA means being an aggrieved hypersensitive snowflake, ready to melt into a puddle of persecution at a moments notice. Which I'm sure is exactly why James and company tiptoe so lightly.

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I am an outsider on here, but I will say for what it's worth that I have been surprised at what is allowed to be said on here. Some of this stuff certainly seems to be out of bounds, even for an internet message board, but maybe that's just me. Im just a peaceful guy who lives at the beach haha

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Examples

You might get agreement…

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Gosh man, kinda putting the new guy on the spot. I guess I clicked on this thread because I love the President, always have, and so I wanted to see what yall thought about him too, if yall thought he was as great as I do.

Now I didn't read the whole thing, and I'm not an expert in these things, but maybe it's because it's a little more laid back down here. But believe it or not, I have friends down here that are all types. You kinda have to learn to live with everyone in a small town like this. So I do feel like some of the things I read were anti Jewish people and anti gay people. And I guess I just felt like those kinda of things don't really fly as much these days. So I guess I was surprised that was ok here.

But it's not really my spot to say nothing. Like we say at the bar I work some nights at, ain't my table haha

Clearly yall got a good thing going here and no one's cares, so who cares what a beach bum has to say.

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No offense intended. Your response was a cop out...

So, I'll recap:

I am an outsider on here, but I will say for what it's worth that I have been surprised at what is allowed to be said on here. Some of this stuff certainly seems to be out of bounds,

I asked:

Examples

Your response:

So I do feel like some of the things I read were anti Jewish people and anti gay people.

My question still hold... Examples

Generalized statements about certain things can cause more issues than not. Yes, I've seen where accusations of anti-semetism have been made. As opposed to making certain accusations, give a person a chance to clarify what they are saying.

Now, do I think we should give everyone that leeway? Probably not. That said, casting those types of accusations is serious and should be taken serious by everyone. Again, you may get more agreement than not; so, be careful what you accuse someone of and be receptive enough to understand that the keyboard doesn't always give context.

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I am sorry I wasn't able to better your answer question. I think my examples, and I would rather not post them if that's ok, came from the poster that misspells gorilla in his name. he seems to be one of the ones I saw most often. maybe he is an ok guy and yall are friends or whatever, but his stuff seemed to be the one I saw the most often.

like I said, I don't really want to post examples...sorry if this is not ok, maybe this isn't the right place for me, its pretty intense here haha1!

also if he is a real gorilla I don't want to make him mad haha

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You Trumpers need this water cooler like you need every other fantasy platform to banter about your idiotic and ignorant garbage. It's sad that you can't conjure enough independent thought to venture outside your safe cocoon of other morons.

We need adults to govern. Not vindictive, small, angry, and unserious toddlers dying on alters of ideology.

You ARE the enemy of the people with any sense, common or otherwise.

That said, I wish all of you the best. I'm a good person. You should try being the same.

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I'm just here for the cheap entertainment.

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It's sad to see a post like his. Adults to govern is so comical! We had so-called adults governing while trying hard to overthrow an election. You know, the same thing they blame Trump for doing.

that guy is not a serious person. Oh, that's right, he just said we aren't serious. In fact, I think he said some are toddlers.

The left and the big government pubs just can't stand losing!! Again, blaming Trump for something they are doing. Whatever?

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While we're asking Trump's government for Epstein docs, that reminds me! Now that Trump completely controls the Justice Department, why hasn't he released whatever "evidence" they have about the "stolen" 2020 election? There must be mountains of evidence, right? Seems like revealing that would have been a priority, assuming he's not just jerking you around again.

The unfortunate downside of having absolute power is that it immediately makes your entire conspiracy worldview look even stupider than it already did.

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I'm not a conspiracy person. I look at facts, and try to form an opinion. As I've stated so many times, I don't know everything and you don't either. You can continue to harp on the Democratic talking points, all you want. None of it makes it true. Unfortunately, you're too ****ing stupid to realize that.

It's been so clear, ever since you made your appearance here, that you are wrapped up in the talking points and/or conspiracies the Dems have perpetrated on everyone. You and your idol Schiff's conspiracies are falling apart slowly but surely.

its becoming time for you to show that you aren't as dumb as you've made yourself out to be…. Can you do it?

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Cary the "I don't know, and neither do you" thing only works when there hasn't been ample time and opportunity for evidence to be discovered in support of a particular hypothesis.

We can all say at this point, with certainty, that there was not consequential, outcome-altering fraud in 2020. Smapty is absolutely correct that if there was evidence of it, it would have come out long before now, and certainly once Trump again controlled the Justice Department.

It is just as it always seemed to be - a baseless lie broadcast by Trump because he has the fragile ego of a small child and couldn't take the L, and also to harm trust in institutions amongst the cult so that he could be viewed as some sort of savior for people from the Deep State.

You say you're not a conspiracy person, but in order to claim that convincingly, you have to man up and just acknowledge when conspiracies are clearly not true. We're well past that point with the 2020 election fraud fantasy.

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Civ, when I wrote that, I was referring to the Epstein stuff. Now, as far as the 2020 election, I agree… we haven't seen any further evidence to support a stolen election. That said, I still have a belief something was untoward. I also realize it's just a belief.

Regarding a baseless lie by Trump. Russia hoax was one of those?

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What exactly was a hoax?

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Civ, you really need to start watching and reading other news sources. If you're asking that question, I really am questioning your exposure of adequate news and information.

come on man… you can do better.

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LOL. So says the guy who only gets his news from Fox.

This Gabbard stuff is classic Trump distraction about a OMG BOMBSHELL REVELATION that's a half-truth and incomplete information and semantic games that don't alter the fundamentals determination that Russia meddled.

Gabbard's OMG BOMBSHELL documents show early intelligence community beliefs that Russia's vote-altering capacity was low. Nobody at this point is arguing otherwise.

But intelligence officials repeatedly acknowledged Russia conducted major hacking and influence operations to sow distrust and discord. They just didn't directly change actual vote counts. That nuance is key.

Pay attention to her actual words. It is widely acknowledged that Russia's activities did not gain them access to our election infrastructure so they could manipulate vote counts. Nobody is arguing otherwise.

Yes, there were intelligence reports in late 2016 stating Russia hadn't tampered with vote infrastructure.

Later evidence from Senate investigations to Mueller confirmed Russia had actively interfered via hacking and disinformation.

Gabbard's materials argue that earlier IC reports were deliberately dismissed, but they don't refute Mueller, Congress' investigation, or any similarly concluded investigations, and the overarching conclusion of Russian interference remains fully intact.

What Trump/Gabbard are absolutely correct about is that 99% of y'all won't spend half a second researching or thinking about anything or looking past the Fox News headline.

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The intelligence community said Russia didn't have capabilities to meddle in the election. Ok, great! That info was pulled and a team of people created their own intelligence and communicated it.

That, according to Tulsi Gabbard was the foundation for everything that followed. So, is it possible that all this evidence you quoted (Mueller, Congress, etc…) was based on a false premise?

The way I'm seeing things… that's exactly what happened.

This has nothing to do with Fox News (your boogie man); rather, it has all to do with the report released by Gabbard.

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No they didn't. The intelligence community ultimately said Russia didn't alter vote counts, not that they didn't meddle.

No, Mueller and Congress' investigations aren't radically flawed.

This is Gabbard and Trump again trying to deflect and distract from the Epstein fiasco. They know they can use 'Obama' and 'conspiracy' in the same sentence and it's chum in the water for the easily distracted.

The Obama Administration is going to be 'investigated and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law'? Puh-lease.

I'll bet you $100 right now, payable to Savage Wolves by the loser, that no Obama staff member is ever convicted of anything, because they didn't do anything. It's unlikely they even get charged, although there's no telling with Trump Justice Department pulling the puppet strings.

It's not even in doubt at this point that Russia meddled. They meddled, and vote counts were not altered. Both of these things are true.

The rest of this is just an attempted smokescreen by Trump.

Mark Warner says it well:

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"The Senate Intel Committee unanimously concluded that Russia interfered in the 2016 election," he said in a post on X. "If there had been some Obama conspiracy, we would have found it. This latest lie is another sad, dangerous example of Tulsi Gabbard trying to rewrite history and erode trust in the [intelligence community]."

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If you think I'm wrong, take me up on my bet. $100 says no one is convicted, because there's no conspiracy.

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It's amazing how you can take all these people statements as gospel; however, you can't accept Tulsi Gabbard statements. That makes no sense to me. Actually, it does make sense….

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It's completely obvious why anyone that's remotely rational would put significantly more weight on the Mueller and bipartisan Congressional investigations than on Trump's DNI's hyperbole.

Who is the least motivated by impartiality, his beleaguered Director; an independent investigator with sterling credentials; or a bipartisan Congressional committee?

Again, if you're confident in what she says let's bet a hundy on whether a single person in the Obama administration is found guilty of anything criminal relating to this whole matter.

Gabbard is completely full of it and this is simply the latest act of Trump's revenge tour. She's literally trying to just recast history to fit her boss's favorite talking points that prop up his ego.

And, she didn't say Russia didn't meddle. She said the narrative was shaped to undermine Trump (somehow; how exactly is not clear as per usual with Trump's inane and nebulously ominous Deep State references).

Russia's myriad social media influence campaigns and hack-and-leak operations well and publicly documented. Also as per his usual narcissistic outlook, Trump acts like his 2016 campaign it's the only one that's ever alleged to have been targeted by Russia. This is Russia's MO. Moldova. Romania. Germany. France. The UK. Scotland. All elections credibly targeted by Russia over the last 10 years, along with ours.

She's alleging criminally conspiratorial conduct. And I'm telling you, she is completely full of ****, as will be clearly evidenced by the Justice department not being able to produce evidence of this alleged conspiracy.

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By the time Mueller had the final word on his findings, he came across as befuddled and encroaching into senility, ergo, his findings were and are vulnerable to question. As for Congress, that was not a bi-partisan finding. Any ostensibly Republican members of Congress whom participated in that committee, did so without the authorization of the then-GOP minority leader, which made their findings also vulnerable to question.

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The Special Counsel's team developed a well-cited and very detailed 200-page report. Feel free to refute or deny any of its claims on a factual basis, rather than resorting to ad hominem and unsubstantiated attacks on his health status.

Regarding the Bipartisan Congressional committee appointment process, is the Senate Intelligence Committee not a permanent committee? Did committee membership not follow standard committee assignment procedures?

Presumably then, their findings would therefore be above silly grievances about appointment logistics?

Did House Republicans balk at the selection process for their special committee? And remember they committee Pubs issued a report detailing why they believed Trump did not collude with Russia, so they themselves drew an explicit line between meddling and collusion (and said clearly Russia meddled but Trump did not collude).

And has anyone, anywhere, at any time with the authority and access needed to investigate Russia's interference, come to the conclusion that they did NOT meddle in the election?

I'm not talking about Trump not colluding, Russia hacking voting machines, or people questioning what Russia was after, i.e. to explicitly help Trump or not.

I'm just asking has there ever been any investigation that came to the conclusion Russia didn't meddle and try to interfere?

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Psssst, don't tell anyone I told you but Russia has been meddling in U.S. politics since the end of the Second World War.

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Right. I'm sure it's not uncommon. I'm sure we do it, although not as carelessly or audaciously.

So what are we even talking about trying to act like they didn't/don't?

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You Trumpers need this water cooler like you need every other fantasy platform to banter about your idiotic and ignorant garbage. It's sad that you can't conjure enough independent thought to venture outside your safe cocoon of other morons.

We need adults to govern. Not vindictive, small, angry, and unserious toddlers dying on alters of ideology.

You ARE the enemy of the people with any sense, common or otherwise.

That said, I wish all of you the best. I'm a good person. You should try being the same.

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I'm just here for the cheap entertainment.

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It's sad to see a post like his. Adults to govern is so comical! We had so-called adults governing while trying hard to overthrow an election. You know, the same thing they blame Trump for doing.

that guy is not a serious person. Oh, that's right, he just said we aren't serious. In fact, I think he said some are toddlers.

The left and the big government pubs just can't stand losing!! Again, blaming Trump for something they are doing. Whatever?

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While we're asking Trump's government for Epstein docs, that reminds me! Now that Trump completely controls the Justice Department, why hasn't he released whatever "evidence" they have about the "stolen" 2020 election? There must be mountains of evidence, right? Seems like revealing that would have been a priority, assuming he's not just jerking you around again.

The unfortunate downside of having absolute power is that it immediately makes your entire conspiracy worldview look even stupider than it already did.

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I'm not a conspiracy person. I look at facts, and try to form an opinion. As I've stated so many times, I don't know everything and you don't either. You can continue to harp on the Democratic talking points, all you want. None of it makes it true. Unfortunately, you're too ****ing stupid to realize that.

It's been so clear, ever since you made your appearance here, that you are wrapped up in the talking points and/or conspiracies the Dems have perpetrated on everyone. You and your idol Schiff's conspiracies are falling apart slowly but surely.

its becoming time for you to show that you aren't as dumb as you've made yourself out to be…. Can you do it?

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Cary the "I don't know, and neither do you" thing only works when there hasn't been ample time and opportunity for evidence to be discovered in support of a particular hypothesis.

We can all say at this point, with certainty, that there was not consequential, outcome-altering fraud in 2020. Smapty is absolutely correct that if there was evidence of it, it would have come out long before now, and certainly once Trump again controlled the Justice Department.

It is just as it always seemed to be - a baseless lie broadcast by Trump because he has the fragile ego of a small child and couldn't take the L, and also to harm trust in institutions amongst the cult so that he could be viewed as some sort of savior for people from the Deep State.

You say you're not a conspiracy person, but in order to claim that convincingly, you have to man up and just acknowledge when conspiracies are clearly not true. We're well past that point with the 2020 election fraud fantasy.

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Civ, when I wrote that, I was referring to the Epstein stuff. Now, as far as the 2020 election, I agree… we haven't seen any further evidence to support a stolen election. That said, I still have a belief something was untoward. I also realize it's just a belief.

Regarding a baseless lie by Trump. Russia hoax was one of those?

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Civ, you really need to start watching and reading other news sources. If you're asking that question, I really am questioning your exposure of adequate news and information.

come on man… you can do better.

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LOL. So says the guy who only gets his news from Fox.

This Gabbard stuff is classic Trump distraction about a OMG BOMBSHELL REVELATION that's a half-truth and incomplete information and semantic games that don't alter the fundamentals determination that Russia meddled.

Gabbard's OMG BOMBSHELL documents show early intelligence community beliefs that Russia's vote-altering capacity was low. Nobody at this point is arguing otherwise.

But intelligence officials repeatedly acknowledged Russia conducted major hacking and influence operations to sow distrust and discord. They just didn't directly change actual vote counts. That nuance is key.

Pay attention to her actual words. It is widely acknowledged that Russia's activities did not gain them access to our election infrastructure so they could manipulate vote counts. Nobody is arguing otherwise.

Yes, there were intelligence reports in late 2016 stating Russia hadn't tampered with vote infrastructure.

Later evidence from Senate investigations to Mueller confirmed Russia had actively interfered via hacking and disinformation.

Gabbard's materials argue that earlier IC reports were deliberately dismissed, but they don't refute Mueller, Congress' investigation, or any similarly concluded investigations, and the overarching conclusion of Russian interference remains fully intact.

What Trump/Gabbard are absolutely correct about is that 99% of y'all won't spend half a second researching or thinking about anything or looking past the Fox News headline.

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The intelligence community said Russia didn't have capabilities to meddle in the election. Ok, great! That info was pulled and a team of people created their own intelligence and communicated it.

That, according to Tulsi Gabbard was the foundation for everything that followed. So, is it possible that all this evidence you quoted (Mueller, Congress, etc…) was based on a false premise?

The way I'm seeing things… that's exactly what happened.

This has nothing to do with Fox News (your boogie man); rather, it has all to do with the report released by Gabbard.

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No they didn't. The intelligence community ultimately said Russia didn't alter vote counts, not that they didn't meddle.

No, Mueller and Congress' investigations aren't radically flawed.

This is Gabbard and Trump again trying to deflect and distract from the Epstein fiasco. They know they can use 'Obama' and 'conspiracy' in the same sentence and it's chum in the water for the easily distracted.

The Obama Administration is going to be 'investigated and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law'? Puh-lease.

I'll bet you $100 right now, payable to Savage Wolves by the loser, that no Obama staff member is ever convicted of anything, because they didn't do anything. It's unlikely they even get charged, although there's no telling with Trump Justice Department pulling the puppet strings.

It's not even in doubt at this point that Russia meddled. They meddled, and vote counts were not altered. Both of these things are true.

The rest of this is just an attempted smokescreen by Trump.

Mark Warner says it well:

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"The Senate Intel Committee unanimously concluded that Russia interfered in the 2016 election," he said in a post on X. "If there had been some Obama conspiracy, we would have found it. This latest lie is another sad, dangerous example of Tulsi Gabbard trying to rewrite history and erode trust in the [intelligence community]."

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If you think I'm wrong, take me up on my bet. $100 says no one is convicted, because there's no conspiracy.

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It's amazing how you can take all these people statements as gospel; however, you can't accept Tulsi Gabbard statements. That makes no sense to me. Actually, it does make sense….

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It's completely obvious why anyone that's remotely rational would put significantly more weight on the Mueller and bipartisan Congressional investigations than on Trump's DNI's hyperbole.

Who is the least motivated by impartiality, his beleaguered Director; an independent investigator with sterling credentials; or a bipartisan Congressional committee?

Again, if you're confident in what she says let's bet a hundy on whether a single person in the Obama administration is found guilty of anything criminal relating to this whole matter.

Gabbard is completely full of it and this is simply the latest act of Trump's revenge tour. She's literally trying to just recast history to fit her boss's favorite talking points that prop up his ego.

And, she didn't say Russia didn't meddle. She said the narrative was shaped to undermine Trump (somehow; how exactly is not clear as per usual with Trump's inane and nebulously ominous Deep State references).

Russia's myriad social media influence campaigns and hack-and-leak operations well and publicly documented. Also as per his usual narcissistic outlook, Trump acts like his 2016 campaign it's the only one that's ever alleged to have been targeted by Russia. This is Russia's MO. Moldova. Romania. Germany. France. The UK. Scotland. All elections credibly targeted by Russia over the last 10 years, along with ours.

She's alleging criminally conspiratorial conduct. And I'm telling you, she is completely full of ****, as will be clearly evidenced by the Justice department not being able to produce evidence of this alleged conspiracy.

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By the time Mueller had the final word on his findings, he came across as befuddled and encroaching into senility, ergo, his findings were and are vulnerable to question. As for Congress, that was not a bi-partisan finding. Any ostensibly Republican members of Congress whom participated in that committee, did so without the authorization of the then-GOP minority leader, which made their findings also vulnerable to question.

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The Special Counsel's team developed a well-cited and very detailed 200-page report. Feel free to refute or deny any of its claims on a factual basis, rather than resorting to ad hominem and unsubstantiated attacks on his health status.

Regarding the Bipartisan Congressional committee appointment process, is the Senate Intelligence Committee not a permanent committee? Did committee membership not follow standard committee assignment procedures?

Presumably then, their findings would therefore be above silly grievances about appointment logistics?

Did House Republicans balk at the selection process for their special committee? And remember they committee Pubs issued a report detailing why they believed Trump did not collude with Russia, so they themselves drew an explicit line between meddling and collusion (and said clearly Russia meddled but Trump did not collude).

And has anyone, anywhere, at any time with the authority and access needed to investigate Russia's interference, come to the conclusion that they did NOT meddle in the election?

I'm not talking about Trump not colluding, Russia hacking voting machines, or people questioning what Russia was after, i.e. to explicitly help Trump or not.

I'm just asking has there ever been any investigation that came to the conclusion Russia didn't meddle and try to interfere?

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I'll only believe your certified people. They don't have an agenda. Anything related to Trump has an agenda; therefore, they can't be trusted. Others words can be trusted. I see how this works with you!!

The TDS is completely out of control!!!

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Who do you believe exactly?

You've said you don't believe the special investigator Trump appointed, or the Bipartisan Congressional Commission.

So who do you believe, and what exactly do they say about the matter?

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caryking said:

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Civilized said:

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caryking said:

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caryking said:

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You Trumpers need this water cooler like you need every other fantasy platform to banter about your idiotic and ignorant garbage. It's sad that you can't conjure enough independent thought to venture outside your safe cocoon of other morons.

We need adults to govern. Not vindictive, small, angry, and unserious toddlers dying on alters of ideology.

You ARE the enemy of the people with any sense, common or otherwise.

That said, I wish all of you the best. I'm a good person. You should try being the same.

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I'm just here for the cheap entertainment.

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It's sad to see a post like his. Adults to govern is so comical! We had so-called adults governing while trying hard to overthrow an election. You know, the same thing they blame Trump for doing.

that guy is not a serious person. Oh, that's right, he just said we aren't serious. In fact, I think he said some are toddlers.

The left and the big government pubs just can't stand losing!! Again, blaming Trump for something they are doing. Whatever?

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While we're asking Trump's government for Epstein docs, that reminds me! Now that Trump completely controls the Justice Department, why hasn't he released whatever "evidence" they have about the "stolen" 2020 election? There must be mountains of evidence, right? Seems like revealing that would have been a priority, assuming he's not just jerking you around again.

The unfortunate downside of having absolute power is that it immediately makes your entire conspiracy worldview look even stupider than it already did.

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I'm not a conspiracy person. I look at facts, and try to form an opinion. As I've stated so many times, I don't know everything and you don't either. You can continue to harp on the Democratic talking points, all you want. None of it makes it true. Unfortunately, you're too ****ing stupid to realize that.

It's been so clear, ever since you made your appearance here, that you are wrapped up in the talking points and/or conspiracies the Dems have perpetrated on everyone. You and your idol Schiff's conspiracies are falling apart slowly but surely.

its becoming time for you to show that you aren't as dumb as you've made yourself out to be…. Can you do it?

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Cary the "I don't know, and neither do you" thing only works when there hasn't been ample time and opportunity for evidence to be discovered in support of a particular hypothesis.

We can all say at this point, with certainty, that there was not consequential, outcome-altering fraud in 2020. Smapty is absolutely correct that if there was evidence of it, it would have come out long before now, and certainly once Trump again controlled the Justice Department.

It is just as it always seemed to be - a baseless lie broadcast by Trump because he has the fragile ego of a small child and couldn't take the L, and also to harm trust in institutions amongst the cult so that he could be viewed as some sort of savior for people from the Deep State.

You say you're not a conspiracy person, but in order to claim that convincingly, you have to man up and just acknowledge when conspiracies are clearly not true. We're well past that point with the 2020 election fraud fantasy.

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Civ, when I wrote that, I was referring to the Epstein stuff. Now, as far as the 2020 election, I agree… we haven't seen any further evidence to support a stolen election. That said, I still have a belief something was untoward. I also realize it's just a belief.

Regarding a baseless lie by Trump. Russia hoax was one of those?

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What exactly was a hoax?

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Civ, you really need to start watching and reading other news sources. If you're asking that question, I really am questioning your exposure of adequate news and information.

come on man… you can do better.

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LOL. So says the guy who only gets his news from Fox.

This Gabbard stuff is classic Trump distraction about a OMG BOMBSHELL REVELATION that's a half-truth and incomplete information and semantic games that don't alter the fundamentals determination that Russia meddled.

Gabbard's OMG BOMBSHELL documents show early intelligence community beliefs that Russia's vote-altering capacity was low. Nobody at this point is arguing otherwise.

But intelligence officials repeatedly acknowledged Russia conducted major hacking and influence operations to sow distrust and discord. They just didn't directly change actual vote counts. That nuance is key.

Pay attention to her actual words. It is widely acknowledged that Russia's activities did not gain them access to our election infrastructure so they could manipulate vote counts. Nobody is arguing otherwise.

Yes, there were intelligence reports in late 2016 stating Russia hadn't tampered with vote infrastructure.

Later evidence from Senate investigations to Mueller confirmed Russia had actively interfered via hacking and disinformation.

Gabbard's materials argue that earlier IC reports were deliberately dismissed, but they don't refute Mueller, Congress' investigation, or any similarly concluded investigations, and the overarching conclusion of Russian interference remains fully intact.

What Trump/Gabbard are absolutely correct about is that 99% of y'all won't spend half a second researching or thinking about anything or looking past the Fox News headline.

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The intelligence community said Russia didn't have capabilities to meddle in the election. Ok, great! That info was pulled and a team of people created their own intelligence and communicated it.

That, according to Tulsi Gabbard was the foundation for everything that followed. So, is it possible that all this evidence you quoted (Mueller, Congress, etc…) was based on a false premise?

The way I'm seeing things… that's exactly what happened.

This has nothing to do with Fox News (your boogie man); rather, it has all to do with the report released by Gabbard.

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why can't all of this be true:

- Intelligence briefings are a snapshot in time
- Russia tried to interfere in the election and failed
- Russia wasn't colluding with the Trump campaign
- Russia's attempts to interfere with the election increased as the elections got closer to happening
- Politics skewed this whole thing and continues to skew it

Seems a lot more logical than some evil deep state, which BTW hasn't been "uprooted" yet, probably because it doesn't exist.

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Since the Russia stuff is being dredged up for some reason, it's worth asking how you came to those conclusions?

1) The Mueller report and other investigations made it pretty clear that Russia succeeded with all kinds of interference. And Trump and friends very publicly welcomed the help on multiple occasions.

2) Barr and the press were able to sweep the Mueller report under the rug with legal semantics. But the report made it very clear that there were large swaths of counterintelligence that they didn't even investigate, and what they did investigate was hindered by a mountain of obstruction of justice, which they turned into "Volume 2" of the report.

So no, saying "there was no collusion" has never been accurate. Mueller was hindered from gathering sufficient evidence to prove conspiracy, so instead documented the obstruction of justice and called it a day, making it clear that he would have charged him with obstruction after he was out of office.

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caryking said:

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Civilized said:

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caryking said:

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Civilized said:

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caryking said:

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Civilized said:

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caryking said:

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SmaptyWolf said:

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caryking said:

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Oldsouljer said:

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cornelius the great said:

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You Trumpers need this water cooler like you need every other fantasy platform to banter about your idiotic and ignorant garbage. It's sad that you can't conjure enough independent thought to venture outside your safe cocoon of other morons.

We need adults to govern. Not vindictive, small, angry, and unserious toddlers dying on alters of ideology.

You ARE the enemy of the people with any sense, common or otherwise.

That said, I wish all of you the best. I'm a good person. You should try being the same.

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I'm just here for the cheap entertainment.

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It's sad to see a post like his. Adults to govern is so comical! We had so-called adults governing while trying hard to overthrow an election. You know, the same thing they blame Trump for doing.

that guy is not a serious person. Oh, that's right, he just said we aren't serious. In fact, I think he said some are toddlers.

The left and the big government pubs just can't stand losing!! Again, blaming Trump for something they are doing. Whatever?

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While we're asking Trump's government for Epstein docs, that reminds me! Now that Trump completely controls the Justice Department, why hasn't he released whatever "evidence" they have about the "stolen" 2020 election? There must be mountains of evidence, right? Seems like revealing that would have been a priority, assuming he's not just jerking you around again.

The unfortunate downside of having absolute power is that it immediately makes your entire conspiracy worldview look even stupider than it already did.

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I'm not a conspiracy person. I look at facts, and try to form an opinion. As I've stated so many times, I don't know everything and you don't either. You can continue to harp on the Democratic talking points, all you want. None of it makes it true. Unfortunately, you're too ****ing stupid to realize that.

It's been so clear, ever since you made your appearance here, that you are wrapped up in the talking points and/or conspiracies the Dems have perpetrated on everyone. You and your idol Schiff's conspiracies are falling apart slowly but surely.

its becoming time for you to show that you aren't as dumb as you've made yourself out to be…. Can you do it?

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Cary the "I don't know, and neither do you" thing only works when there hasn't been ample time and opportunity for evidence to be discovered in support of a particular hypothesis.

We can all say at this point, with certainty, that there was not consequential, outcome-altering fraud in 2020. Smapty is absolutely correct that if there was evidence of it, it would have come out long before now, and certainly once Trump again controlled the Justice Department.

It is just as it always seemed to be - a baseless lie broadcast by Trump because he has the fragile ego of a small child and couldn't take the L, and also to harm trust in institutions amongst the cult so that he could be viewed as some sort of savior for people from the Deep State.

You say you're not a conspiracy person, but in order to claim that convincingly, you have to man up and just acknowledge when conspiracies are clearly not true. We're well past that point with the 2020 election fraud fantasy.

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Civ, when I wrote that, I was referring to the Epstein stuff. Now, as far as the 2020 election, I agree… we haven't seen any further evidence to support a stolen election. That said, I still have a belief something was untoward. I also realize it's just a belief.

Regarding a baseless lie by Trump. Russia hoax was one of those?

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What exactly was a hoax?

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Civ, you really need to start watching and reading other news sources. If you're asking that question, I really am questioning your exposure of adequate news and information.

come on man… you can do better.

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LOL. So says the guy who only gets his news from Fox.

This Gabbard stuff is classic Trump distraction about a OMG BOMBSHELL REVELATION that's a half-truth and incomplete information and semantic games that don't alter the fundamentals determination that Russia meddled.

Gabbard's OMG BOMBSHELL documents show early intelligence community beliefs that Russia's vote-altering capacity was low. Nobody at this point is arguing otherwise.

But intelligence officials repeatedly acknowledged Russia conducted major hacking and influence operations to sow distrust and discord. They just didn't directly change actual vote counts. That nuance is key.

Pay attention to her actual words. It is widely acknowledged that Russia's activities did not gain them access to our election infrastructure so they could manipulate vote counts. Nobody is arguing otherwise.

Yes, there were intelligence reports in late 2016 stating Russia hadn't tampered with vote infrastructure.

Later evidence from Senate investigations to Mueller confirmed Russia had actively interfered via hacking and disinformation.

Gabbard's materials argue that earlier IC reports were deliberately dismissed, but they don't refute Mueller, Congress' investigation, or any similarly concluded investigations, and the overarching conclusion of Russian interference remains fully intact.

What Trump/Gabbard are absolutely correct about is that 99% of y'all won't spend half a second researching or thinking about anything or looking past the Fox News headline.

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The intelligence community said Russia didn't have capabilities to meddle in the election. Ok, great! That info was pulled and a team of people created their own intelligence and communicated it.

That, according to Tulsi Gabbard was the foundation for everything that followed. So, is it possible that all this evidence you quoted (Mueller, Congress, etc…) was based on a false premise?

The way I'm seeing things… that's exactly what happened.

This has nothing to do with Fox News (your boogie man); rather, it has all to do with the report released by Gabbard.

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why can't all of this be true:

- Intelligence briefings are a snapshot in time
- Russia tried to interfere in the election and failed
- Russia wasn't colluding with the Trump campaign
- Russia's attempts to interfere with the election increased as the elections got closer to happening
- Politics skewed this whole thing and continues to skew it

Seems a lot more logical than some evil deep state, which BTW hasn't been "uprooted" yet, probably because it doesn't exist.

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Since the Russia stuff is being dredged up for some reason, it's worth asking how you came to those conclusions?

1) The Mueller report and other investigations made it pretty clear that Russia succeeded with all kinds of interference. And Trump and friends very publicly welcomed the help on multiple occasions.

2) Barr and the press were able to sweep the Mueller report under the rug with legal semantics. But the report made it very clear that there were large swaths of counterintelligence that they didn't even investigate, and what they did investigate was hindered by a mountain of obstruction of justice, which they turned into "Volume 2" of the report.

So no, saying "there was no collusion" has never been accurate. Mueller was hindered from gathering sufficient evidence to prove conspiracy, so instead documented the obstruction of justice and called it a day, making it clear that he would have charged him with obstruction after he was out of office.

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See point 5